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BS: What's up with MudCat?........

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Subject: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Jul 05 - 08:22 AM

Man, geeze o' Pete, seems here lately that Mudcat is going down more than a bus station prostitute...

Like what gives???

And does anyone have a link to the back door when the front door is locked... I lost my key when I moved....

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: JennyO
Date: 17 Jul 05 - 08:26 AM

Bobert - here 'tis. -although often I've noticed these days that the back door seems to go down most of the time as well.

Jenny


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Jul 05 - 08:38 AM

Hmmmm, JennyO.... Seems that when I try to add the backdoor to my favorites list the pudder tells me I allready have it... But I don't allready have it... Hmmmmm?


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: JennyO
Date: 17 Jul 05 - 08:45 AM

Hmmmm. There used to be another backdoor address, with 105 where the 99 is, but I think that only works when the main forum is up, and then of course you don't need it. Maybe that was what you have somewhere. Maybe you have it saved somewhere weird? - like in the wrong folder or sumpin'? Try slightly renaming it - that oughta fool yer pudder.


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: artbrooks
Date: 17 Jul 05 - 08:57 AM

Bobert, maybe you named it something wierd. Try opening Manage Bookmarks and hit Edit/Select All (Firefox) or just open "Manage Bookmarks" (Netscape). That gets you the bookmark names and their associated URLs. I don't know how you see the URLs, or if you can, in Explorer.


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: Jeri
Date: 17 Jul 05 - 09:07 AM

105 only works when the main forum is up because it IS the main forum.

Bobert, try typing a different name in.

I'm tired of this, I'm tired of not know what's going on or if anything's going to improve. I also realize that there's little chance of learning anything. I just decide to either put up with the problems and the remoteness of Max or try not to come here much. I have little chance of influencing anything.

I'm trying to care a lot less about Mudcat, because, let's face it, it's the people who really love something who get bitter and end up hating it when it doesn't live up to their expectations and they're completely powerless to affect it. When things are bad enough for long enough and there's no hope, you either start go postal or you walk away.


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: wysiwyg
Date: 17 Jul 05 - 09:11 AM

Or you remind yourself that Mudcat's site design and hardware are not like any other forum online, and that it somehow has allowed a uinique community to form..... I just figure it's worth being here when I can be, and when I can't-- well, I travel elsewhere. But nowhere else is Mudcat, and I always welcome a chance to return for another stay.

~Susan


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jul 05 - 10:01 AM

If you honestly think mudcat is unique you have led a very sheltered internet life. Cue the bitterness.


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 17 Jul 05 - 10:03 AM

Has Max healed completely from the accident? If he's not completely up to speed you can expect delays in any maintenace or repairs.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: JennyO
Date: 17 Jul 05 - 10:19 AM

Fair enough, but a little bit of information about what is going on would be a nice start. It's not so much the fact that it keeps crashing - I could live with that a lot better if only I knew WHY!

A lot of us have been asking for some time what is happening and what we can do to help, and there continues to be no response. Lately I have seen posts from a lot of regular Mudcatters - good natured people who hardly ever complain, and many of whom have been here for years and contributed a lot - starting to get really impatient and browned off because we are being ignored. That is the biggest issue right now, I think.

Jenny


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: Amos
Date: 17 Jul 05 - 10:29 AM

I don't feel ignored -- every time it crashes, someone --presumably Max or Jeff -- scrambles around and reboots and debugs it. That's the attention I want! :D

The Mudcat of today is carrying many more transactions and messages than it ever has, compared to just a couple of years ago. There's many more members, and more trip being bandied about.

The volume these messages require in order to be databased is not trivial, and the load of the increased traffic is not trivial either.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 17 Jul 05 - 10:30 AM

Susan. I see no reason to belive the hardware (reliability aside) is unlike any other online forum. If anything there is probably more of it than most people running from home have (I think there are 3 machines - 2 web servers and 1 database server) but really that provides extra cover - some wouldn't be able to afford more than one server.

The site design is unique to Mudcat but the origns of the forum are not and I can't believe it's the only forum that hasn't developed somewhere from the same Cold Fusion Tutorial. There certainly used to be a few around that still looked like Mudcat's help.

The software combination used here is perhaps unusual. I did post my thoughts on that here a month or so back.

As for the big problem at the moment, my best guess is a nackered database server although perhaps something as simple as overheating.


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: Big Mick
Date: 17 Jul 05 - 10:37 AM

The "problem" is that a wonderful young man with a family to support and a life to live is trying his very best to keep this site going. Aside from the occasional endowment (you know who you are and I thank you on behalf of all of us), he keeps this thing going on his own dime and at the cost of time away from other things. We all owe him a debt of gratitude and the occasional buck or two.

Thanks Max.

All the best,

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: Alba
Date: 17 Jul 05 - 10:41 AM

YIP Mick.
100% with you on that.
Love to all
Jude


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: Rapparee
Date: 17 Jul 05 - 10:47 AM

When I get annoyed -- and I do -- I think, "Okay, here's a guy doing this on his own time, with (mostly) his own cash, out of his own house, and he's doing it for free. Why are you bitchin'?"


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: Jeri
Date: 17 Jul 05 - 11:03 AM

WYS said "unique community." It IS unique. All communities are unique, and those of us here are in this one. People who can't see uniqueness are the same guys who know one chord and play it exclusively through every song or tune in your session because they are essentially clueless and like being that way. Saves them the work of paying attention and adjusting accordingly.

Notice something: everybody's guessing the reasons for the recent several months' worth of problems. We may even end up having an argument about what's wrong or what isn't wrong. "I think it's this." "No, you're wrong -- it's this!" "Well, you're an idiot, because if it were that..." Then later on: "Let's throw some money at it!" And the inevitable sprinkling of "Aside from not telling us anything, Max is doing everything he can. I KNOW he is," and "Mudcat: Love It Or Leave It!"

Discussions like this do no good other than providing an opportunity to vent. We don't really know anything. Mudcat is a little boat in the blue water of the toilet of the internet, and somebody has flushed. We are circling... [and I've got to go because I just lapsed into parody mode, and someone is going to murder me for what I'm about to write.]


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: John Hardly
Date: 17 Jul 05 - 11:26 AM

When the mudcat is down I just don't post to it. I also don't read what others don't post to it. I know that's a different approach, but it seems to work for me.


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: Charley Noble
Date: 17 Jul 05 - 11:37 AM

Oh, the stormy winds do blow,
And the ragin' waves do roll,
While we poor Mudcats a-clingin' to the rail,
Swirl down the internet toilet bowl,
Below, below,
Swirl down the internet toilet bowl!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble who snaps up the bait


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: wysiwyg
Date: 17 Jul 05 - 11:39 AM

LOL. To whom the following applies--

As I said, I just figure it's worth being here when I can be, and when I can't-- well, I travel elsewhere. But nowhere else is Mudcat, and I always welcome a chance to return for another stay.

If your mileage varies, and you see a chance to have a crabbyassed argument over it, whoop-dee-effing-doo. Maybe you're having a low-testosterone day; so sorry!

Or-- you may just be advertising an addiction and a need to UNPLUG.

So-- uplug yourself!

~S~


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: Amos
Date: 17 Jul 05 - 11:54 AM

That sounds orful condescending and superior, WYS.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Jul 05 - 12:02 PM

Hey, I din't mean to sound as if I was bein' critical when I started this thread... Hey, I think most of us can keep ourselves entertained whhile Max cleans out the Catbox... That ain't this issue, if we can call it an issue, which is debatable...

I'm just a curious hillbilly sort of folk... That's all... Plus I did wnat to get the combination to the lock on the backdoor...

Peace

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: wysiwyg
Date: 17 Jul 05 - 12:03 PM

Yeah, I'll have the check with my spin doctor on that one. ;~)

~Susan


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jul 05 - 12:06 PM

If the person who knows what the problem is, tells us what the problem is and asks for donations to help, it would be a lot more productive?

If the person who knows what the problem is, doesn't tell us what the problem is, and then a.n. other asks for donations, someones having a laugh.


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 17 Jul 05 - 12:12 PM

Well Amos old buddy I don't find it quite as simplistic as that, you see those guys that scramble round and reboot for you [why do they have to keep doing it?] are fast asleep when I and other UK Mudcatters log on in the AM here. So when those little Mudelves are up and around and rubbing the sleep out of there eyes, it is alreadylunchtime over here. If you get more complaints from this side of the pond it's because it affects us more. Some paranoid folks might even think that Max or someone turned it off last thing at night, and turned it back on in the morning, sorta like taking the phone off the hook to avoid nuisance callers ;~)
We recognise the fact that Max puts more than 100% into the Cat, and it sort of looks like a bit of help might not go amiss, and that's what I and others are offering, a bit of help to lighten his load. If he was to say "I need a new XXXX server to improve the service, and it will cost $XXXX, then that would give us something to aim at, and a reason for the Cat's hiccups.
That's how I see it from here Amos.
Giok


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: Amos
Date: 17 Jul 05 - 12:16 PM

Giok:

I couldn't agree with you more that promoting for help and providing information on the situation would be preferable, from my viewpoint.

But as I have no visibility into Max' thinking, situation or resources, and no auhtority therein in any case, I have to let him roll his own way, right?

Sure, I'd like to understand the situation bette; but I don't feel owed anything.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 17 Jul 05 - 12:20 PM

Me neither Amos, but if something's worth doing it's worth doing well, and we've most of us sent a few bucks when we have them cos we only want to help. If this was a shit site we wouldn't be concerned.
G..


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 17 Jul 05 - 08:34 PM

If resources are the issue, there are PLENTY of things that Mudcat could do to make itself self-supporting... plenty of things besides begging that is...


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: gnu
Date: 17 Jul 05 - 09:08 PM

Been there and done that a few times haven't we? Now CH, you know Max can't do what you have suggested many times because the Café is charitable... not subject to taxes... not hiring lawyers and accountants... not selling ad space or anything else.

As for $, I am amazed that Max has been able to keep this site up since the last major "begging" which was done ON HIS BEHALF by concerned and grateful 'Cats. And, I don't mind sending a few bucks or bidding in the auction or buying swag.... I've done so. And I will again.

Like Giok, I am sure there are many 'Cats who would like to see a figure set. I WAS one in past fund raising drives. However, I think I MIGHT know why Max can't do this. Simply, if he says "X" bucks and we put up and, for whatever reason in the near future, something doesn't work out, Max will bear the brunt of any resentment or blame.

Anyway. I just had some financial downtime due to illness and I am tapped. Bt, I know I can find a bit to send and I am going to do so tomorrow.

May I be so bold as to recommend that the rest of the 'Cats out there reflect upon what you think you can donate and do so post haste.... pun intended. Need I say that no donation is too small?

Clint.... I am throwing in an extra $10 (Canuck bucks. Hey, it's still ten to me.) on your behalf.

AND... please post that you are on board with this... it is NOT self-laudatory to post that you are donating as long as you don't say how much you are donating or how many t-shirts you are buying or how much you are bidding in the auction... your post shows that each and every donation is truly going to do some good... COLLECTIVELY.

C'mon guys. it's time again to help ourselves.


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: harpgirl
Date: 17 Jul 05 - 09:16 PM

but what about the ad revenue? (look down)


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Jul 05 - 09:25 PM

Hey, ifr this is about money then it sho nuff would be nice to know it... I fully agree with John "Giok"... Hey, tell us the problem, tell us the fix and we go from there...

Right now, all I know is that over the last 10 times I tried the front door, it was locked 5 times... That ain't good fir any website. 'er business, 'er bedroom fir that matter...

Jus' tell us what the heck is goin' on... We're adults... We can take it...

Again, no criticism intended here... Jus a simple request for information...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: gnu
Date: 17 Jul 05 - 09:28 PM

Oops... my bad... but... does ad revenue make you a taxable corporation in the States? Many "charitable" tax exempt entities exist here in Canada but still generate revenue through advertising in their publications. I used to buy ad space in the "The Shamrock Leaf", the newsletter of the Irish Canadian Cultural Association of New Brunswick and they didn't pay any taxes on my dime.


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: GUEST,G
Date: 17 Jul 05 - 09:40 PM

Why not inquire direcly as to the problem? Rather than beating around the bush. It would appear to be a case of not enough bandwidth as it is acting like a yoyo. Either way, $ appears to be the logical answer.
For Gods' sake, let's get to the crux of the problem rather than bantying about like a couple (or more) of retarded roosters.


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: gnu
Date: 17 Jul 05 - 10:08 PM

Squawk!! I resemble that remark.

Okaaaay then. In a nutshell...

Why would a lad who builds and consults on websites not institute the "fixes" that are obvious? And, what are they anyway?

Why do I need to know the tech stuff?

Why wouldn't I just donate what I feel I can and/or what I feel this site is worth to me?

Why does it have to have a collective donation cap?

Anyway... I am sending in a few bucks. Anyone with me?


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: bobad
Date: 17 Jul 05 - 10:18 PM

I'm in for what I can afford.

How do I get it it there - I'm not into PAY PAL.


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: Bobert
Date: 17 Jul 05 - 10:26 PM

But what if it ain't a $$$$ problem??? Sendin' $$$$ to fix a problem that ain't a $$$$ problem seems purdy short-sighted...

Like, what's the problem???

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 17 Jul 05 - 10:50 PM

Bobert-
They're ALL money problems, when you get down to it.


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: mooman
Date: 18 Jul 05 - 09:52 AM

I miss Mudcat when it's down like everybody else.

But, as many have said, Max does this as a labour of love and I for one am grateful to him for it. I have made many good new friends in "real life" as a result of joining the 'Cat.

So ease up on Max some of you and cut him some slack. If he needs our help I'm sure he'll say so.

Peace

moo


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: Noreen
Date: 18 Jul 05 - 10:29 AM

Support the Mudcat

Paypal makes it easy to send Max some money, which I've always intended to do and got round to doing today.

Hope it's fixable!


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: sian, west wales
Date: 18 Jul 05 - 10:47 AM

I think 'begging' is an inappropriate description altogether. I contribute by Direct Debit (or is it Standing Order? I get the two confused!) each month; a very small sum, and I look at it as being reasonable 'for services rendered'. In fact, if I paid a realistic amount according to how much I get from 'Cat, I'd be paying a LOT more. I don't even really like referring to it as 'donation' but I'll accept that, as I wouldn't want to complicate Max's taxation situation.

siân


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: Dave Bryant
Date: 18 Jul 05 - 10:57 AM

I send a regular payment to "Friends of the Mudcat", but if Max does need any extra cash to upgrade his servers (perhaps RAID 4 disk arrays), I('d definitely be wiiling to cough up some extra.


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Jul 05 - 11:34 AM

just a guess, but I living just an hour or so south of Max, I KNOW what the temperature & humidity have been this last week or so(miserable2)...and will continue for awhile. Remember, Mudcat lives in Max's basement, near the washer & dryer. It may not be easy to keep that area cool ........but, I do wish we could have a definitive answer.


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: GUEST,Suzi
Date: 18 Jul 05 - 01:11 PM

I have been trying to get onto mucat all day, and when I tried the back door some sort of porn site came up three times....
So I gave up till just now..... AAHHH In at last.
Thank you Max...

Suzi....


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Jul 05 - 01:53 PM

I think John Hardly's comment was thye miost apt one: When the mudcat is down I just don't post to it. I also don't read what others don't post to it. I know that's a different approach, but it seems to work for me.

In factcat I stuck it in the Gallery of Mudcat to make it easier to find the next I want to use it.


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Jul 05 - 02:04 PM

oh, I post to it when it's down, Kevin..*grin*...I just save all those things I wouldn't say when it's UP!


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: gnu
Date: 18 Jul 05 - 02:11 PM

Hehehe.


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Jul 05 - 02:13 PM

thats it, i can't be arsed anymore. im leaving


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: gnu
Date: 18 Jul 05 - 02:16 PM

Send a donation before you go eh?


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: wysiwyg
Date: 18 Jul 05 - 02:27 PM

At my house the AC and/or dehumidifier AND puder can't both be on at the same time...... zzzzaaapppppppppppppppppp........

Which one would YOU choose-- allocate the power to the pain in the ass people complain about, or to having a nice comfy home to come back to after a day out through the work world, to a cool & non-fussy child and her mom?

Anyone here want to forego AC in tropical heat & humidity, for all this lot of bullshitters?

Just a thought.

~Susan


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: nutty
Date: 18 Jul 05 - 02:29 PM

I just believe that patience is a virtue and that Mudcat's problems are not worth having a heart attack over.

I put my faith in Max ... he hasn't let us down yet and if he wasn't here (as might have happened given his recent accident) Mudcat wouldn't be either.

What would we do then ?????


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 18 Jul 05 - 02:30 PM

for that matter - come home from work and cuddle with your kid or go down and check the server?

Take a weekend with your three lovely ladies, or rebuild the database?

Holiday weekends with family? Or sit at home in case the server crashes?

I know which one I would chose in each case. And the mudcat would lose out.


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: Alan Day
Date: 18 Jul 05 - 03:26 PM

I agree with you Nutty.
A little bit of patience is all you need if its there read it,if it isn`t ,read it another day,all the better for waiting.
There`s only a little old lady at my bus stop,surely not Bobert.
"YOUNG MAN"
Al


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: Little Robyn
Date: 18 Jul 05 - 04:12 PM

In desperation last night I went through some old sites I'd saved and found this one that I'd forgotten about:
a different door

It took away the withdrawal symptoms and I knew someone was still there.
Robyn


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: gnu
Date: 18 Jul 05 - 06:46 PM

Yeah, screw sending a donation, no big deal.


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 18 Jul 05 - 08:27 PM

Not being able to get in here from time to time, that's just something that happens. Like when you call on a friend and they are out.

What's more irritating is when you are on the Cat, and write some brilliant post, complete with links and all, designed to demonstrate once and for all why you are right and everyone else is wrong in some discussion you've been involved in - and you push to post it, and the Cat turns out to have gone down while you were writing it...

Still I've learnt now to make a point of copying posts before sending them, and then I can save them to a mudcat temp ,if I think they are worth saving. And then I can send them later, if I still think they are worth posting, which well may not be the case... Actually there's a lot to be said for doing that anyway with posts that are meant to clinch arguments. From time to time Mudcat outages have saved me from saying things I'm quite glad I didn't say.


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Jul 05 - 09:22 PM

an interesting feature of my favorite browser, Opera, is that if you type something, then either post when Mudcat is down, or go to another page to check or copy something, you do NOT lose your carefully composed invective...ummm...logic when you return!. Opera seems to have an 'edit box cache' which allows you to return to what you were doing without needing to open a new page first. This applies to both the main forum and to PMs, so you can hop back and forth.

I do like the newish browser, Firefox, a lot, but when I forget where I am and try this in Firefox, I get a sad surprise.


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Jul 05 - 10:01 PM

I give up....

I ask a question expectin' a techincal answer and all I get back are testimonials about how Max suffers to keep this thing going...

Hey, I like Max... He;s one fine feller and all that and hey, I don't mind sending money to support this joint and have and will agin but, geeeze, can anyone just provide me an answer other than Max is great, send $$$$???...

Hey, I'm not tryin' to nit-pick here and maybe I just don't unnerstand enuff about how this thing works (or doesn't) but I'm sure I'm not the only one who has at least some level of curiousity as to why the joint has been going down like evry day or every other day recently...

Nevrmind... I'll prolly just get more testimonials...

Like I said, nevermind...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 18 Jul 05 - 10:34 PM

"I ask a question expectin' a techincal answer and all I get back are testimonials about how Max suffers to keep this thing going..."

That because no one here knows what the tech answers are, and they all get their hackles up should anyone dare critizise this place...

"some level of curiousity as to why the joint has been going down"
You are not... not by a long shot...


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 19 Jul 05 - 09:40 AM

Despite any recent problems it may be experiencing Mudcat is STILL the best discussion forum on the net.

eric


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: Amos
Date: 19 Jul 05 - 09:47 AM

Please notice that even though the frequency of outages has been high, the service when online is zippier than it ever was in years past. This means an improved platform or SW and data structure over what was used in slower times. This doesn't explain anything but it is part of the overall picture we are trying to answer.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: Azizi
Date: 19 Jul 05 - 09:52 AM

Eric, it might be true that Mudcat is the best folk music discussion forum on the net or the best discussion forum on the net period..

BUT

I don't think that's the point.

The point is some of us {most of us??} are asking why Mudcat's doors keep closing...

I wouldn't understand any technical responses that were given, but I'm sure some here would.

And then maybe those 'Catters who understood the technical explanations would explain it in 'regular English' to us technically challenged folk.

And then maybe it would be clearer what-if anything-we can do to help.

Well, where there's life there's hope.


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Jul 05 - 09:59 AM

If Max gets bored with fixing things, will that be the end of Mudcat?


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: GUEST,MMario
Date: 19 Jul 05 - 09:59 AM

Bobert - the only one who can answer your question would be Max - or possibly Jeff. And personally - being in the same sort of field I don't blame him for not answering. My company doesn't give explanations of outage to our customers either. During the outage we are normally to busy trying to fix it - and afterwards the point is moot.

then you chave companies like our local roadrunner - whose services were down totally for three days last August - and they deny that it ever occurred.


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: nutty
Date: 19 Jul 05 - 10:35 AM

Bobert .... I'm sure that your question was asked in good faith.

I'm also sure that, over the years that Max has been running Mudcat, he has been asked the same question by any number of well meaning people who he knows would not understand the answer even if he gave it.

Why should he waste his precious time answering such questions?

If you look back over the previous posts about Mudcat problems you will see that when Max has something he feels he needs to say - he says it.


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: Shakey
Date: 19 Jul 05 - 10:52 AM

"My company doesn't give explanations of outage to our customers either. During the outage we are normally to busy trying to fix it - and afterwards the point is moot."

You must have very understanding customers.

It appears to be a software problem as the actual machine is often "up" when the website is down. If, as it appears, the cat maintains more than one IP address then couldn't they attach a status screen page to a limited webserver attached to the second address, this would at least satisfy the people whos main complaint is lack of information.

While I like the simplicity of this site it's simply asking for problems in the way it returns all responses to all requests: it's ludicrous. Look at the size of some of the threads. The amount of work that poor little server is doing is crazy.

The forum is old fashioned and, it seems, unique to mudcat which means they have to fix everything themselves. There are plenty of free forum applications that can cope with this sort of volume and are well maintained and supported.

When I last looked at Netcraft it showed the cat was running win2000 so they'll probably be changing that soon anyway


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Jul 05 - 11:38 AM

It might help the problem if one explanation was posted as oppose to so far 64 guesses. Bandwidth and all that. Oops must go and lie down and hope the logic attack passes.


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Jul 05 - 10:43 PM

Thanks, Shakey... Seems like the closest answer we're gonna get to the problem...

Now fir part B... Is it a $$$$ problem?

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: Amos
Date: 19 Jul 05 - 10:53 PM

It may also be that a little scarcity puts the value back in perspective; many of those whose preoccupation was complaining about Mudcat's actions and nature are now complaining about Mudcat's unnatural absence. Mebbe they just like the divil they can see more than the one they can't ping.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 19 Jul 05 - 11:16 PM

"Mudcat is STILL the best discussion forum on the net"

Have you noticed that EVERY online forum says that...


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: bobad
Date: 19 Jul 05 - 11:20 PM

What, that mudcat is still the best discussion forum on the net ?


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: Shakey
Date: 20 Jul 05 - 09:09 AM

Bobert said:

Now fir part B... Is it a $$$$ problem?

imho no. You don't need massive resources to run a site such as this and they seem to have them in place already, however it could easily be a time problem and as time is money then, well, yes.

But as I said earlier it can't help one someone reads the "mother of all threads". it requires a hell of a lot of processing just to serve that up and it's not required or even useful: image if google gave you all the hits on one page.

Maybe just coincidence but yesterday it fell over just as that thread got to the top of the list, ie someone had added to it.

Shakey

"I expect everyone who works here to be fired with enthusiasm. Or they'll be fired. With enthusiasm."


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: Rapparee
Date: 20 Jul 05 - 09:19 AM

No, shakey. I believe that the system retrieves only the first (or last) fifty posts of "Mother" or any other thread. As for Google or any other search engine, they don't search in "real time", but pages cached on their own servers. They retrieve in real time, true -- and that's why you sometimes get "not found" errors: the page exists in the search engines cache, but no longer exists in real time.

Moreover, if it were a problem of computer power it could be fixed by upgrading the server or increasing the RAM. Another possiblity is to install a load-balancing computer (and I suspect that Max does load-balancing).


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: GUEST,G
Date: 20 Jul 05 - 09:33 AM

Someone said that "Mudcat" is 'located' in the Basement along side the washer and dryer. Lack of electrical outlets - the server has to be unplugged to allow a load of wash to be accomplished.
The question is what is more important to Max?


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: Shakey
Date: 20 Jul 05 - 09:35 AM

I didn't even suggest, let alone say, that google searches in realtime. Google maintains a massive database but the data has to be retrieved and while there are indeed a number of caches involved to speed things up this does not remove the need to get data from the db. Of course it retrieves more than the first 50 items - how else would I be able to read the whole thread.

As far as computing power is concerned I could run this site on the notebook I'm using right now and to load balance you need to double up on something: the webserver (sw), the db (sw) or the machine itself.

At the risk of repeating myself, I doubt if this is a cost issue except in terms of time (which of course can be a big problem). There are many, many sites - much larger than this one - running on totally free open source software.


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Jul 05 - 09:46 AM

The other forums I use do have a policy of deleting 'old' BS threads after a certain time period. I noticed too that it went down as MOAB hit the top. I don't think it is a coincidence.


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 20 Jul 05 - 10:17 AM

I think McG is onto something. It seems recently that every time I get an exceptionally brilliant post ready to go, when I hit the "Submit Message" button the mudcat goes "poof."

Quite obviously, this is either a "Submit Message" button failure, which seems unlikely; or Max has incorporated an anti-blather filter in the button function that is misinterpreting my (and McG's) posts. The problem will likely be resolved when we figure out the "key words" that trigger the filter so that we can avoid inadvertent and inapproptiate filter actions, and conform to the "blatherless" format demanded.

But how do some of the rest of you guys seem to get on so easily?

John


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: Shakey
Date: 20 Jul 05 - 10:20 AM

We don't blather :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: SharonA
Date: 20 Jul 05 - 11:13 AM

'Way up toward the beginning of this thread, someone postulated that the problems Mudcat is experiencing may be due to overheating. As a resident of southeastern Pennsylvania, I can tell you that the weather around here has indeed been hot and muggy of late. We had several thunderstorms this past weekend; the weekend before that was even worse, with the remnants of Hurricane Dennis rolling through (storms with high winds, downed trees, etc.). Currently I have a leak in my apartment ceiling because the winds were violent enough to have damaged the roof of my building. So it would not surprise me if it turns out that Mudcat's problems are weather-related, either from the heat or from an electrical problem related to the storms we've had.

Sharon


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: Jeri
Date: 20 Jul 05 - 11:15 AM

John in KS, the anti-blather filter idea is absolutely ludicrous. I've managed to post some messages, and Mudcat seems to go down when I'm reading, not posting. Then again, maybe the weirdware is trying to protect me from other people's blather. It could be that they oops, 'They', have written a program that detects certain words or phrases and when they reach a certain rate per 1,000 words, Mudcat shuts itself down. Maybe spam is included in the blatherbase. Maybe people who engage in compostruction or creation of vocabulatory units (words) are closely watched. Maybe Mudcat has a auto-shutdown due to heat. I tend to think auto-spam might have something to do with it. Then again, the down times pretty much coincide with the periods during which I'm awake, except when they don't. Or it could be a top secret device, inspired by Roswell ship technology and developed by Walmart, that They slipped into Max's arm implant.

Shakey, Mudcat's 'They' is a 'Him'. Its last known (to me) location was Max's basement, to where it moved from Max's kitchen table. As far as I know, he doesn't have to shut it down to do laundry even though the spin cycle tends to slow it down a bit. If Max has fired any Mudcat employees recently, we have major problems.


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: SharonA
Date: 20 Jul 05 - 11:32 AM

Jeri sez: "[Mudcat's]last known (to me) location was Max's basement, to where it moved from Max's kitchen table."

In the basement??? Holy 'Cat cookies!! With the rain we've had lately, I hope Mudcat hasn't been flooded!


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: catspaw49
Date: 21 Jul 05 - 01:34 AM

It's fucked up.

Thanks for asking. I'm happy to parlay my extensive computer knowledge into something useful that laymen (and laywomen---I mean like I don't wanna' lay a man personally) can use to better understand why their favorite website isn't working. It's easy to understand really.......Just think it through slowly and then say....

It's fucked up.

You're all lucky to have caught me here to pass on this wisdom. Of late since the 'Cat is fucked up, I try to log in a few times a day when I normally might and if it doesn't load, I move on.....because the 'Cat is fucked up.

There is also the other problem. It seems that when the 'Cat is working, a bunch of new obits show up and when I get here, I get really depressed. So I figure the less I log on the better!!!

So try not to log on much and quit posting obits and maybe Mudcat will get up and running better!!!

Spaw


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 21 Jul 05 - 03:31 AM

So if we go away Mudcat will run fine... I can say the same of every other MB that's folded... ever...


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: Shakey
Date: 21 Jul 05 - 10:56 AM

As I've pointed out on other occasions, now maybe it's a coincedence but as far as i can see the last thing that happened before the last outage was someone updated the moab thread at 8:15 server time


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: Amos
Date: 21 Jul 05 - 04:21 PM

I seriously doubt that. The Cat has crashed a dozen times in the last week, sometimes when the MOAB was idle. The MOAB comes up completely, on a fast machine with a broadband connection, in about 20 seconds. Any server that can handle the number of transactions the Mudcat experiences when running can handle large ones. Although the thread looks terribly long -- esecially over a dial-up connection and limited RAM on the client-side -- it is probably not over 20 Mbytes, at a guess, to send the whole thing. Maybe a little more allowing for a few images included by pointers and thread formatting.

This is a seat o' the pants guess. But in any case, text is not that hard for the server. It chokes up at the client side when your bandwidth is low. AT worst, if several people wanted to call up the MOAB at once, it would slow down the respponse, but it wouldn't cause a crash, IMHO.

A

A


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: nutty
Date: 21 Jul 05 - 04:40 PM

Max has just posted to the other thread to say that he has had to put in a temp server, while he rebuilds the old one.
Took a day off work to do it


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: Shakey
Date: 21 Jul 05 - 04:45 PM

It may be one text stream on the client but not on the server and it generates enormous amounts of IO, even allowing for indexes and caching it's not a good way of returning data. I've seen much more mundane things cause crashes.

Anyway it appears that there are other things amiss


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 22 Jul 05 - 01:15 PM

I believe I know the phrases that trigger the anti-blather mechanism.

in my humble opinion (yeah, right)

with all due respect (this is always followed by a disrespectful put-down)

if you will (it's been said; it's too late if wonder what my will is)

as it were (I've always wondered what "as it were" means.)


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Jul 05 - 01:40 PM

"as it were" is similar to "so's to speak", only different


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: Amos
Date: 22 Jul 05 - 02:56 PM

Would that it were! So to speak.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Jul 05 - 04:05 PM

Would that it keeps moving as quickly as it is today. Have you noticed? If this is the temporary server, maybe he should change his mind and keep it!

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: MMario
Date: 22 Jul 05 - 04:11 PM

As it were in the beginning is now and ....


nah - bad MMario - no cookie


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: gnu
Date: 22 Jul 05 - 04:20 PM

What it is.? What it was? What it shall be?


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Jul 05 - 05:13 PM

"During the outage we are normally to busy trying to fix it - and afterwards the point is moot." MMario

As in, I can't fix the roof NOW, for pete's sake- it's RAINING. And when it's NOT raining, the leak doesn't matter. (?)


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 22 Jul 05 - 07:07 PM

As far as a large thread like the MOAB - if accessed by the 'number link' rather than the normal thread link, far fewer accesses will be needed, as the entire thread is not accessed.

A bit of a red herring by the less technically literate I fear...

;p


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Jul 05 - 07:56 PM

The only sane way to address the MOAB is by the number link or the descending link. It was thoroughly scrambled in the late crash, so it is even more incomprehensible than usual.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: Bobert
Date: 22 Jul 05 - 09:39 PM

Well, gol danged!!! What's this??? The 2000th post to this thread and we're still bogged down with $$$$ and washing machines!!!!

Fir GOSH sakes, adult people, what's the problem...

Please, no more testimonials, no more washing machione stories, no more paypay crap...

Like, ahhhhh, some 2000 posts later, what's the friggin' problem????

Like how diffucult can this question be?????

Hey, I ain't tryin' to be cute, 'er offensive, 'er nuthin here but it seems that rather than anyone saying what the problem is and suggestin' a solution, folks go ballistic, circle the wagons and start shootin'!!!!

Like what a condition/response reaction....

Hey, this ain't War of the Worlds, gol dangit... Just a simple question....

Hey, if it's Max's washing machine, I can accept that but waht I can't accept is another 2000 apologists with nuthin' to say...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: Big Mick
Date: 22 Jul 05 - 11:20 PM

I will remind you of that post the next time you make one like it, ole buddy.


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: Jeri
Date: 23 Jul 05 - 09:38 AM

" Like how diffucult can this question be?????"

Since Max is the only one who could answer the question and you instead asked the general population of Mudcat, I assumed you didn't really want an answer.

People will try their hardest to provide an answer even when they/we don't know anything. Can you honestly tell me you believed responses would be different when you asked all the nice and every-bit-as-powerless-as-you folks here to tell you what was going on?


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: Azizi
Date: 23 Jul 05 - 10:00 AM

I'm surprised that no one has provided a link to this current thread
What's wrong with Mudcat?

Here's an explanation from Max posted in that thread:

Subject: RE: Hi Max: What's wrong with mudcat?
From: Max - PM
Date: 21 Jul 05 - 04:49 PM

A quick answer to what has been going wrong is this:

Got a bad drive (and/or RAID array) on the primary server. That wouldn't be so bad, though it is also my domain controller and active directory server and DNS server. In short, this means that every server and computers' functionality on my network was dependant upon the primary server. So I had a lot of changes to make to the entire network (6 computers) before I could replace the bad drive and reformat the server. It's about a 60 hour job, of which I'm maybe 35 in at this point.

In addition to rebuilding my entire network, I had about 50GB of mission critical data to copy off the bad drive. Anyone who has rescued data off a bad drive knows how long this takes.

So that's been going on for weeks now. To add to all this, for the last 2 weeks, my little city here has been tearing up my street installing fiber optics to replace all the phone lines in town. There work would kick my ADSL router offline. I would have to physically be here to reset it. With sleep, a family and a job it has been very challenging for me to keep us online. Jack Hammer has woken me up every day at 8am for the last 2 weeks.

-snip-

I hope that I'm not doing something unacceptable by re-posting a comment without the permission of the person who wrote it. However, I thought it might help answer the questions Bobert and others had about what's up with Mudcat.

Not that I understand any of those techno/computer terms. But-given my nature- I don't need to understand it. All I know is that Max has identified the problem, is working on it, and btw, whatever he's doing seems to be working...


Azizi


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: Leadfingers
Date: 23 Jul 05 - 11:54 AM

Well at least we do have some Cat this weekend ! Including MudChat !


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: Leadfingers
Date: 23 Jul 05 - 11:55 AM

And another 100 !!


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: Jeri
Date: 23 Jul 05 - 12:31 PM

So harpy did the same thing as Bobert, but she put Max's name in the title, and Max answered her. I wonder whether it was his name or the fact that harpgirl is a girl and Bobert isn't, so far as I can tell. I think Catspaw gave the best possible, most accurate description of the problem a non-Max person could have given over in that other thread when he said "it's fucked up." Max later confirmed this diagnosis. This means my criticism of Bobert was completely off base. If Catspaw could figure it out, any of us posting to this thread might have. Anyway, I know when to quit, and I think perhaps it was a couple of posts ago. It's the first day in a week I don't feel like a steamed pudding and I must have gone all giddy.


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: gnu
Date: 23 Jul 05 - 01:27 PM

Jaysus!! Max is a man-hater? or pussywhipped???? That's IT!!!!!! FUCK GNU!!!

That's right, fuck him... I am tired of PM'ing people and I am tired of the crap I have been getting in return. I asked harpy to PM Max. I asked Spaw to come to the aid of the party. I asked the 'Cats to ante up some coin. I paid a hundred dollars for a CD in the auction. If I wasn't half in the bag right now, I'd ask someone to step outside.

Delete that Wildebeeste... the lions might hear you.

Fuck off, gnu, you little wimp.

You post that and EVERYone is going to know you are nuts.

Don't they already?

NOW that I have your ATTENTION, for a CHANGE... stop yer fuckin weenin and your bullshit and send Max a buck... one measly fucking dollar.... JUST ONE... can ya spare it??? Huh.... can ya? Jaysus, I am pissed off.

(Exit... stage right)

(Scuffle... offstage ... enter gnu)

Ah, gnu here. Wildebeeste went to the bar. Maybe I am nuts... Bobert asked a legitimate question and I can, to a certain extent, understand his frustration... but gee golly gosh, a hundred posts? Darnit all ta H-E-double hockey sticks... your time yakkin was worth more than sending in a dollar. Do the math. And complete the equation... $=service... tip the man ya cheap fuckers. (Oops... guess there's a little Beeste in all of us.)

Oh yeah, before anyone agrees with the fact that I am nuts... lick my nuts. But first, lick a stamp.


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: gnu
Date: 23 Jul 05 - 08:06 PM

Oh my. This is a good example of why you should never feed beer to a dumb animal on a hot, muggy, Saturday afternoon.

Gosh I feel bad about having a few too many cold ones earlier. Ah well, it happens. But, I can't make the bad feeling go away now, can I? Well, maybe with a bit of the hair eh? It's still early. And the auction is still open.

Go ahead, make my day eh.


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Subject: RE: BS: What's up with MudCat?........
From: Bobert
Date: 23 Jul 05 - 11:18 PM

Opps....

Seems it was like Max's washing machine, 'er somethin afterall...

Hey, too many folks think that I got some kinda agenda 'cause I dislike BNushites and so they figure that since I dislike Bushites that I dislike anything that I dislike....

(Hmmmm, Bobert, dance away from that one....)

Nevermind...

Bobert


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