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'Mother' in Spirituals & Blues

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Subject: 'Mother' in Spirituals & Blues
From: Azizi
Date: 24 Jul 05 - 07:26 AM

There are other Mudcat threads on mothers, but it doesn't appear if any specifically list and provide lyrics for Spirituals and Blues that mention "mother".

By "mother" I am referring to the female who is the person's biological, foster, or adoptive parent or any woman who acted as mother.

The word "mammy" or "mama" might also be used in place of "mother", in some songs, but often 'mama' or 'pretty mama' refers to a female who is a wife, girlfriend, or sexual partner.

I'll start this thread off with some songs that I remember or have found in books and online.

I look forward to your addition of songs & [possibly] information about the songs.


Thanks,


Azizi


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Subject: RE: 'Mother' in Spirituals & Blues
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 24 Jul 05 - 07:27 AM

Mannish Boy is one of the first to come to mind.
Would you count Sometimes I Feel like a Motherless Child?


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Subject: RE: 'Mother' in Spirituals & Blues
From: Azizi
Date: 24 Jul 05 - 07:40 AM

Yes, Le Scaramouche,

I had planned to start out with the Spiritual "Sometimes I Feel Like A Motherless Child".

Here is a link to a Mudcat thread on Motherless Child

This version found HERE and attributed to Harry Thacker Burleigh, 191? (1866-1949) may be in that thread:

Sometimes I feel
Like a motherless child
Sometimes I feel
Like a motherless child
A Long Way From Home
True Believer
A Long Way From Home

Sometimes I feel
Like a motherless child
Sometimes I feel
Like a motherless child
Sometimes I wish I could fly,
Like a bird up in the sky
Sometimes I wish I could fly,
Like a bird in the sky
Little closer to home

Motherless children
Have a real hard time
Motherless children
Have a such a real hard time
So long so long so long

Sometimes I feel
Like a motherless child
Sometimes I feel
Like a motherless child
So far away

Sometimes I feel
Like freedom is near
Sometimes I feel
Like freedom is near
But we're so far away

Sometimes I feel
Like it's close at hand
Sometimes I feel
Like the freedom is near
But we're so far from home

Sometimes, sometimes,
Sometimes
So far, so far, so far,
So far Mama from you, so far


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Subject: RE: 'Mother' in Spirituals & Blues
From: Azizi
Date: 24 Jul 05 - 07:43 AM

ADD Lyrics: OH Mother, Don't You Weep
NegroSpiritual.com


When I'm gone, when I'm gone, I'm gone, gone
O mother, don't you weep when I am gone
For I'm going to Heaven above
Going to the God I love
O mother, don't you weep when I am gone

When I'm gone, when I'm gone, I'm gone, gone
O mother, don't you weep when I am gone
O mother meet me there,
Mother meet me in the air
O mother, don't you weep when I am gone


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Subject: RE: 'Mother' in Spirituals & Blues
From: Azizi
Date: 24 Jul 05 - 07:50 AM

Here is a fragment of a spiritual that was included in
Paul Oliver's "The Story Of The Blues" {Radnor, PA; Chilton Book Company, 1975, p. 9} Oliver notes that the song was heard by Charlotte Forten {a well to do African American from the North who volunteered during the Civil War to teach African Americans in the Gullah Islands.


I WONDER WHERE MY MUDDER GONE
I wonder where my mudder gone
Sing, oh graveyard,
Graveyard ougth to know me,
Sing Jerusalem.
Oh carry my mudder in de graveyard...

-snip-

Does anyone know any more verses for this song?


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Subject: RE: 'Mother' in Spirituals & Blues
From: Azizi
Date: 24 Jul 05 - 07:58 AM

I feel that I should mention that the inspiration for this thread is Sabine's current thread Goodbye, Mum and all other folks who have lost their mother {or the woman who raised them}.

Hopefully, these songs will offer some measure of consolation to you.   



Positive vibrations,

Azizi


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Subject: RE: 'Mother' in Spirituals & Blues
From: Azizi
Date: 24 Jul 05 - 08:06 AM

CRYING MOTHER BLUES
Red Nelson [source: Oliver's "The Story Of The Blues", p. 9]


Dear mother's dead and gone to glory, my dad gone straight away,
Dear mother's dead and gone to glory, my dad gone straight away,
Only way to meet my mother, I will have to change my lowdown ways.

Tomb-stones my pillow, graveyard gonna be my bed,
Tomb-stones my pillow, graveyard gonna be my bed,
Blue skies gonna be my blanket and the pale moon
my spread.


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Subject: RE: 'Mother' in Spirituals & Blues
From: Azizi
Date: 24 Jul 05 - 08:25 AM

Thanks to WYSIWYG and Q {and others ??} Mudcat has a wonderful
African American Spirituals Permathread

There are probably a number of spirituals that mention mother in that Permathread.

Posting here by no means is meant to duplicate or take the place of that Permathread. Instead, this thread will hopefully generate additional songs and versions of songs that may be included in that African American Spiritual Permathread.



Azizi


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Subject: RE: 'Mother' in Spirituals & Blues
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 24 Jul 05 - 08:37 AM

You know, I wonder if there really are any blues songs that are about mothers as such. Many mention mothers, like in House of the Rising Sun, but they don't seem to be the central issue.


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Subject: RE: 'Mother' in Spirituals & Blues
From: Azizi
Date: 24 Jul 05 - 08:42 AM

I remember a much different version of the song "Will The Cirle Be Unbroken" than what is given in this Mudcat thread HERE .

The version I remember learning in my church,{Union Baptist Temple, Atlantic City, New Jersey, 1950s-1960s} is:

WILL THE CIRCLE BE UNBROKEN

When my mother
leaves the circle
for a better
place on high, Lord
Will the cirle
be unbroken
in the sky, Lord
by and by

When my father....

When my sister...

When my brother...

etc.

-snip-

This song is very emotionally moving. It is sung slowly, with a steady beat. The word "mother" {"father" etc} is elongated as
"moh-ther-er-er-er-er". ["moh" rhyming with "love"]

Sorry, I don't know how to write music. Nor do I know if there is a midi file available to provide a sense of how this song sounds.

I hope so.


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Subject: RE: 'Mother' in Spirituals & Blues
From: masato sakurai
Date: 24 Jul 05 - 08:45 AM

From Michael Taft's Pre-war Blues Lyrics - The Concordance:

MOTHER...............88 (0,038%)
down low    Boy my mother always taught me : to         Shade, Will; Feed Your Friend with a Long Handled Spoon; Memphis, 27 Sept. 1929; (55598-1) Vi-V38578 Rt RL-311
the woman was my mother : and that's where love         Chatman, Peter (Memphis Slim); Caught the Old Coon at Last; Chicago, 4 Dec. 1941; (070437-1) BB-B8974 RCA-730.581
sinking down I says mother and dad pack your            Johnson, Lonnie; Flood Water Blues; Chicago, 8 Nov. 1937; (91341-A) De-7397 Sw S-1225
for someone else My mother and dad left me             Johnson, Lonnie; Friendless and Blue; New York, 31 Mar. 1938; (63517-A) De-7487 Sw S-1225
you send out your mother and father : to just          McTell, Blind Willie; Bell Street Blues; Chicago, 23 Apr. 1935; (C-9946-A) De-7078 Rt RL-324
bail I've got a mother and father : they were          Rainey, Ma Gertrude; Cell Bound Blues; Chicago, c. Nov. 1924; (10001-2) Pm-12257 Mil MLP-2001
in my life My mother and my sister : and                Thomas, Ramblin' (Willard Thomas); Back Gnawing Blues; Chicago, c. Feb. 1928; (20344-2) Pm-12609 Bio BLP-12004
you difference in a mother and a wife : ooo             White, Washington; Strange Place Blues; Chicago, 7 Mar. 1940; (WC-2978-A) Vo-05526 Co C-30036
to go leave my mother and father : I hate               Williamson, Sonny Boy; Bad Luck Blues; Chicago, 21 July 1939; (040525- ) BB-B8265 BC-3;
when they put my mother away And I can't               White, Washington; Strange Place Blues; Chicago, 7 Mar. 1940; (WC-2978-A) Vo-05526 Co C-30036
see It was a mother bedbug : Lord praying for          Lewis, Furry; Mean Old Bedbug Blues; probably New York, c. late Oct. 1927; (   ) Vo-1134 Rt RL-333
ever since : my poor mother been dead The rocks         Kelly, Jack; Cold Iron Bed; New York, 1 Aug. 1933; (13722- ) Ba-32934 OJL-4
don't you hear your mother crying : weeping and moaning Arnold, Kokomo; Wild Water Blues; Chicago, 12 Mar. 1937; (91134-A) De-7285 Cor CP-58
here no more    Dear mother dead and gone to          Red Nelson (Nelson Wilborn); Crying Mother Blues; Chicago, 4 Feb. 1936; (90597-A) De-7171 Br-87.504
one too And my mother dead and gone : nothing          Williams, Joe; Stepfather Blues; Chicago, 25 Feb. 1935; (85492-1) BB-B5996 OJL-17
old : when my poor mother died If you mistreat          Lewis, Furry; Big Chief Blues; probably New York, c. late Oct. 1927; (   ) Vo-1133 Yz L-1002
from your door My mother died and left me               McTell, Blind Willie; Statesboro Blues; Atlanta, 17 Oct. 1928; (47187-3) Vi-V38001 Yz L-1005
a orphan's home My mother died and left me             Washboard Sam; I've Been Treated Wrong; Chicago, 4 Nov. 1941; (070378-1) BB-B9007 RBF RF-1
left me : and my mother done the best that             Johnson, Robert; Drunken Hearted Man; Dallas, 20 June 1937; (DAL-397-1) ARC unissued Co C-30034
left me : and my mother done the best that             Johnson, Robert; Drunken Hearted Man; Dallas, 20 June 1937; (DAL-397-2) ARC unissued Rt RL-314
hard words to my mother : even to my dear               Sykes, Roosevelt; The Way I Feel Blues; New York, 14 June 1929; (402453-B) OK-8727 Yz L-1033
disgrace Ain't got no mother : father left me long      Hurt, Mississippi John; Blue Harvest Blues; New York, 28 Dec. 1928; (401487-A) OK-8692 Bio BLP-C4
life He's a dirty mother for you : he don't             Memphis Minnie; Dirty Mother For You; Chicago, 10 Jan. 1935; (C-9641-A) De-7048 Pal PL-101
pen Ever since : my mother has been dead Been          Shaw, Allen (Hattie Hart); Moanin' the Blues; New York, 18 Sept. 1934; (15978-1) Vo-02844 Yz L-1002
heart I had no mother : here to take my                Beaman, Lottie; Wayward Girl Blues; Richmond, Ind., c. Aug. 1928; (14161-A) Ge-6607 OJL-6
streets With their loose mother hubbard : and their stocking James, Jesse; Southern Casey Jones; Chicago, 3 June 1936; (90761-A) De-7213 AH-158
shower of rain Goodbye mother : I won't see you         Beaman, Lottie; Wayward Girl Blues; Richmond, Ind., c. Aug. 1928; (14161-A) Ge-6607 OJL-6
Because I told their mother : I had to say             White, Washington; Fixin' to Die Blues; Chicago, 8 Mar. 1940; (WC-2989-A) Vo-05588 Co C-30036
to moan Yes dear mother : I'll try to sing             Beaman, Lottie; Wayward Girl Blues; Richmond, Ind., c. Aug. 1928; (14161-A) Ge-6607 OJL-6
tell my dear old mother : I'm in the New                Evans, Joe; New Huntsville Jail; New York, 20 May 1931; (10651-2) Or-8080 His HLP-8002
way to meet my mother : I'm going to have               Red Nelson (Nelson Wilborn); Crying Mother Blues; Chicago, 4 Feb. 1936; (90597-A) De-7171 Br-87.504
her father and her mother : in the coffeepot Then       Jackson, Papa Charlie; Coffee Pot Blues; Chicago, c. Feb. 1925; (10043-?) Pm-12264 Yz L-1029
I listened at my mother : in farther day I             Lincoln, Charley; Chain Gang Trouble; Atlanta, 4 Nov. 1927; (145108-2) Co-14272-D His HLP-4
by day For my mother : in every way She                Thomas, Hociel; Listen to Ma; Chicago, 24 Feb. 1926; (9521-A) OK-8346 Bio BLP-C6
can't stay with me mother : it must have been          Red Nelson (Nelson Wilborn); Crying Mother Blues; Chicago, 4 Feb. 1936; (90597-A) De-7171 Br-87.504
tell my dear old mother : it's hard for me             Evans, Joe; New Huntsville Jail; New York, 20 May 1931; (10651-2) Or-8080 His HLP-8002
do I sacrificed my mother : just to get along          Darby, Blind; Lawdy Lawdy Worried Blues; Richmond, Ind., 7 Sept. 1929; (15566) Pm-12828 Yz L-1003
I'm thinking : of my mother last I received a          Beaman, Lottie; Wayward Girl Blues; Richmond, Ind., c. Aug. 1928; (14161-A) Ge-6607 OJL-6
I'm just like my mother left me : I ain't               Washboard Sam; Lowland Blues; Aurora, Ill., 4 May 1937; (07620- ) BB-B7096 BC-10
had a-listened to my mother : Lord what she say         Big Bill (Broonzy); When I Had Money; Chicago, 17 Apr. 1940; (WC-3036-A) Vo-05563 RBF RF-16;
they won't pay their mother no mind Well and          Williamson, Sonny Boy; The Right Kind of Life; Aurora, Ill., 17 Dec. 1938; (030855-1) BB-B8034 RCA INT-1088
my head Now my mother often taught me : quit            Estes, Sleepy John; Floating Bridge; New York, 2 Aug. 1935; (62465-A) De-7442 RBF RF-8
of life Now my mother often sit down and               Williamson, Sonny Boy; The Right Kind of Life; Aurora, Ill., 17 Dec. 1938; (030855-1) BB-B8034 RCA INT-1088
can do is moan Mother please don't worry : this         Oden, Jimmy; Going Down Slow; Chicago, 11 Nov. 1941; (070409-1) BB-B8889 RBF RF-16
please don't tell my mother : please don't let my       Spruell, Freddie; Your Man Is Gone; Chicago, 12 Apr. 1935; (85784- ) BB-B6025 Mam S-3802
go and get my mother please Said maybe she             Williamson, Sonny Boy; Bad Luck Blues; Chicago, 21 July 1939; (040525- ) BB-B8265 BC-3;
limb That's why : her mother put her off on             Chatman, Peter (Memphis Slim); Jasper's Gal; Chicago, 1 Apr. 1941; (059499-1) BB-B8749 RCA-730.581
will too Since my mother : put that thing on            Thomas, Hociel; I've Stopped My Man; Chicago, 11 Nov. 1925; (9476-A) OK-8326 Bio BLP-C6
strictly understand When my mother raised me : she didn't Bird, Billy; Alabama Blues-Part 2; Atlanta, 29 Oct. 1928; (147326-1) Co-14418-D His HLP-5
lose your mind My mother said : six months before       Delaney, Mattie; Down the Big Road Blues; Memphis, c. 21 Feb. 1930; (MEM-785- ) Vo-1480 Yz L-1009
had a-listened : what my mother said I might have       Evans, Joe; New Huntsville Jail; New York, 20 May 1931; (10651-2) Or-8080 His HLP-8002
a-listened : to what my mother said I wouldn't be       Lewis, Furry; Why Don't You Come Home Blues; probably New York, c. late Oct. 1927; (   ) Vo-1134 Rt RL-333
listen : to what my mother said That's the reason       Thomas, Elvie; Motherless Child Blues; Grafton, Wis., c. Apr. 1930; (L-264-2) Pm-12977 OJL-2
had listened : what my mother said I wouldn't have    Wilkins, Robert; Jail House Blues; Memphis, 8 Sept. 1928; (45499- ) Vi-23379 Yz L-1002
realize : the things my mother said Since I been       Woods, Oscar; Lone Wolf Blues; New Orleans, 21 Mar. 1936; (60848-A) De-7219 Cor CP-58
had a-listened : what my mother say I'd have been       Stevens, Vol; Vol Stevens Blues; Atlanta, 20 Oct. 1927; (40324-1) Vi-21356 OJL-21
what my dear old mother says These women and            Harris, William; I'm Leavin' Town; Birmingham, Ala., c. 18 July 1927; (GEX-743-B) Ge-6306 Yz L-1001
the best clothes My mother says I'm wicked : daddy      Jackson, Jim; Hesitation Blues; Memphis, c. Feb. 1930; (MEM-804- ) Vo-1477 Her H-205
and I Now my mother she told me : son                   Chatman, Peter (Memphis Slim); Me, Myself, and I; Chicago, 1 Apr. 1941; (064004-1) BB-B8784 RCA-730.581
a man Yes my mother she told me : my                   McCoy, Joe; Something Gonna Happen to You; Chicago, 1 Nov. 1935; (96262- ) BB-B6260 Yz L-1021;
will do Well my mother she gone : and I                Williams, Joe; Stepfather Blues; Chicago, 25 Feb. 1935; (85492-1) BB-B5996 OJL-17
stepfather : and my dear mother she don't allow me      Williams, Joe; Stepfather Blues; Chicago, 25 Feb. 1935; (85492-1) BB-B5996 OJL-17
thing Well now my mother she said one thing            Williamson, Sonny Boy; T. B. Blues; Chicago, 21 July 1939; (040532- ) BB-B8333 BC-20
floor Oh now my mother she says one thing             Williamson, Sonny Boy; My Baby Made a Change; Chicago, 4 Apr. 1941; (064022- ) BB-B8766 BC-20
my baby : with her mother standing by her side          Smith, J. T. Funny Paper; Howling Wolf Blues-No. 1; Chicago, 19 Sept. 1930; (C-6404-A) Vo-1558 Yz L-1031
off : and left my mother standing in the snow          Wilkins, Robert; Alabama Blues; Memphis, c. 23 Sept. 1929; (M-190- ) Br-7205 Rt RL-333
them let me down Mother take my children back          White, Washington; Fixin' to Die Blues; Chicago, 8 Mar. 1940; (WC-2989-A) Vo-05588 Co C-30036
slow Please write my mother : tell her the shape       Oden, Jimmy; Going Down Slow; Chicago, 11 Nov. 1941; (070409-1) BB-B8889 RBF RF-16
want to tell your mother : that you soon will          Gillum, Bill Jazz; You Drink Too Much Whiskey; Chicago, 5 Dec. 1941; (070445- ) BB-B9004 RCA INT-1177
And outside of my mother : there's nobody else I       Spivey, Victoria; Don't Trust Nobody Blues; Chicago, 20 Mar. 1931; (VO-150- ) Vo-1640 Spi LP-2001
write and tell my mother : to look for me               Davis, Walter; Minute Man Blues-Part 1; Chicago, 25 Feb. 1935; (85482-1) BB-B5965 RCA INT-1085
home to me My mother told me : don't you                Carr, Leroy; Shinin' Pistol; New York, 17 Dec. 1934; (16438-1) Vo-03067 Co C-30496
that knot Yes my mother told me : father told          Shade, Will; What's the Matter; Memphis, 17 Sept. 1929; (55530-2) Vi-V38551 Jo SM-3104
your mind Said my mother told me : my dear             Stevens, Vol; Vol Stevens Blues; Atlanta, 20 Oct. 1927; (40324-1) Vi-21356 OJL-21
I'm jailhouse bound    My mother told me : just before Thomas, Elvie; Motherless Child Blues; Grafton, Wis., c. Apr. 1930; (L-264-2) Pm-12977 OJL-2
mane That's what my mother told me : just before       Thomkins, Jim; Bedside Blues; Memphis, c. early Feb. 1930; (MEM-780- ) Br-7200 Rt RL-319
When I left my mother told me one thing                Williamson, Sonny Boy; Low Down Ways; Aurora, Ill., 17 Dec. 1938; (030853-1) BB-B7979 RCA INT-1088
someone else    Lord my mother told me : when I       Woods, Oscar; Lone Wolf Blues; New Orleans, 21 Mar. 1936; (60848-A) De-7219 Cor CP-58
walking cane Know my mother treat me : catch that       Bracey, Ishman; Suitcase Full of Blues; Grafton, Wis., c. Mar. 1930; (L-240-1) Pm-12970 Her H-201
my children crying Your mother treated me : like I    White, Washington; Fixin' to Die Blues; Chicago, 8 Mar. 1940; (WC-2989-A) Vo-05588 Co C-30036
is gone Lord my mother tried : Lord to make             Big Bill (Broonzy); When I Had Money; Chicago, 17 Apr. 1940; (WC-3036-A) Vo-05563 RBF RF-16;
??? on Now my mother used to say : the                  Estes, Sleepy John; Time Is Drawing Near; Chicago, 4 June 1940; (93005-A) De-7789 Sw S-1220;
Cooncan Suzie : and my mother was to blame You          Shade, Will; She Done Sold It Out; Chicago, 7 Nov. 1934; (C-800-1) OK-8963 RBF RF-6
I thought after my mother was put away : I             White, Washington; Strange Place Blues; Chicago, 7 Mar. 1940; (WC-2978-A) Vo-05526 Co C-30036
away I left my mother : why can't I leave               Hill, Bertha Chippie; Pleadin' for the Blues; Chicago, 23 Nov. 1926; (9949-A) OK-8420 Sw S-1240
fireside : how my children's mother would cry Because I White, Washington; Fixin' to Die Blues; Chicago, 8 Mar. 1940; (WC-2989-A) Vo-05588 Co C-30036
wouldn't listen to my mother : wouldn't listen to my    Howell, Peg Leg; Low Down Rounder Blues; Atlanta, 20 Apr. 1928; (146161-1) Co-14320-D RBF RF-1
was sweet sixteen Her mother wouldn't listen : to her Williamson, Sonny Boy; She Was a Dreamer; Chicago, 2 July 1941; (064494- ) BB-B8914 BC-20

MOTHER'S.............20 (0,009%)
was laying in my mother's arms She always told          Davis, Walter; Travelin' this Lonesome Road; Chicago, 25 Feb. 1935; (85480-1) BB-B5982 RCA INT-1175
tell me you your mother's baby girl : do you            Chatman, Peter (Memphis Slim); Two of a Kind; Chicago, 1 Apr. 1941; (064001-1) BB-B8749 RCA-730.581
you realize I'm my mother's baby boy Around home       Chatman, Peter (Memphis Slim); Two of a Kind; Chicago, 1 Apr. 1941; (064001-1) BB-B8749 RCA-730.581
husbands : babies from their mother's breast I walked down McCoy, Charlie; That Lonesome Train Took My Baby Away; Jackson, Miss., 15 Dec. 1930; (404726-A) OK-8863 RBF RF-14
act just like some mother's child    Now you can       Smith, J. T. Funny Paper; Mama's Quittin' and Leavin'-Part 2; Chicago, c. late Dec. 1930; (C-7101- ) Vo-1602 Yz L-1031
home : your poor old mother's dead Said I grabbed       Beaman, Lottie; Wayward Girl Blues; Richmond, Ind., c. Aug. 1928; (14161-A) Ge-6607 OJL-6
I first left my mother's door I don't have             Davis, Walter; Minute Man Blues-Part 1; Chicago, 25 Feb. 1935; (85482-1) BB-B5965 RCA INT-1085
I'm looking for my mother's grave Well it seems       White, Washington; Strange Place Blues; Chicago, 7 Mar. 1940; (WC-2978-A) Vo-05526 Co C-30036
I was at my mother's grave : when they put             White, Washington; Strange Place Blues; Chicago, 7 Mar. 1940; (WC-2978-A) Vo-05526 Co C-30036
I'm standing on my mother's grave : and I wished       White, Washington; Strange Place Blues; Chicago, 7 Mar. 1940; (WC-2978-A) Vo-05526 Co C-30036
since I left my mother's home And I can't               Johnson, Robert; Drunken Hearted Man; Dallas, 20 June 1937; (DAL-397-1) ARC unissued Co C-30034
since I left my mother's home And I can't               Johnson, Robert; Drunken Hearted Man; Dallas, 20 June 1937; (DAL-397-2) ARC unissued Rt RL-314
the blues : on my mother's knee And I know             Beaman, Lottie; Wayward Girl Blues; Richmond, Ind., c. Aug. 1928; (14161-A) Ge-6607 OJL-6
home And my poor mother's old : Lord and her            Bailey, Kid; Mississippi Bottom Blues; New York, 12 May 1938; (M-209/10) Br-7114 OJL-5
must have been : her mother's only child She should    Chatman, Peter (Memphis Slim); Jasper's Gal; Chicago, 1 Apr. 1941; (059499-1) BB-B8749 RCA-730.581
someone : to take my mother's place If I can't         White, Washington; Strange Place Blues; Chicago, 7 Mar. 1940; (WC-2978-A) Vo-05526 Co C-30036
to obey my poor mother's rule    If I feel             Moore, Rosie Mae; School Girl Blues; Memphis, 3 Feb. 1928; (41832-2) Vi-21408 OJL-17
now up on your mother's shelf Well you know             Brown, Willie; Future Blues; Grafton, Wis., 28 May 1930; (L-418-2) Pm-13090 OJL-5
little children : and my mother's sick in bed Mmm       Hill, King Solomon; The Gone Dead Train; Grafton, Wis., c. Jan. 1932; (L-1254-2) Pm-13129 Yz L-1004
all night long : your mother's standing in her back    Williamson, Sonny Boy; The Right Kind of Life; Aurora, Ill., 17 Dec. 1938; (030855-1) BB-B8034 RCA INT-1088

MOTHER-IN-LAW........1 (0,000%)
body : home to my mother-in-law Said if she don't       Barefoot Bill; Squabblin' Blues; Atlanta, 20 Apr. 1930; (150303-2) Co-14526-D OJL-14

MOTHERLESS...........10 (0,004%)
a panther squall I'm motherless and fatherless : sister and Barner, Wiley; If You Want a Good Woman-Get One Long and Tall; Birmingham, Ala., c. 15 Aug.1927; (GEX-804-A) Ge-6261 Rt RL-313
to somebody else I'm motherless and I'm fatherless : I'm Johnson, Lonnie; Friendless and Blue; New York, 31 Mar. 1938; (63517-A) De-7487 Sw S-1225
harm Because I'm a motherless child : don't know right Baker, Willie; No No Blues; Richmond, Ind., 9 Jan. 1929; (14667) Ge-6766 BC-5
just like I'm a motherless child She's always squabbling Carr, Leroy; It's Too Short; New York, 17 Dec. 1934; (16440-1) Vo-02875 Co C-30496
mines And I'm a motherless child : and I just          Collins, Chasey; Atlanta Blues; Chicago, 31 Oct. 1935; (96249-1) BB-B6187 BC-6
no harm I'm a motherless child : and I don't            Hicks, Robert (Barbecue Bob); Motherless Chile Blues; Atlanta, 5 Nov. 1927; (145134-1) Co-14299-D RBF RF-15
mistreat me : mistreat a motherless child I dreamt last Lewis, Furry; Big Chief Blues; probably New York, c. late Oct. 1927; (   ) Vo-1133 Yz L-1002
no harm I'm a motherless child : don't know right       Weaver, Curley; No No Blues; Atlanta, 26 Oct. 1928; (147305-2) Co-14386-D His HLP-32
Lord Lord I'm a motherless child : I'm a long          White, Washington (Booker Washington White); The Panama Limited; Memphis, 26 May 1930; (59996- ) Vi-23295 OJL-5
with you I am motherless fatherless : sister and brotherless Jefferson, Blind Lemon; Broke and Hungry; Chicago, c. Oct. 1926; (3076-?) Pm-12443 Mil MLP-2007


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Subject: RE: 'Mother' in Spirituals & Blues
From: wysiwyg
Date: 24 Jul 05 - 08:47 AM

Wonderful stuff, Azizi. I had a different reaction to the thread title you might find amusing.... I think of various musicians as my musical mothers, fathers, cousins, etc.

As we complete decorating the MudCamp Attic Dorm, I've especially wanted to honor some of these people in some way. Without even knowing that, a band member recently gave my husband a framed portrait of Muddy Waters-- a tremendous influence on my husband and his music. We had decided to put it up in the stairway to that space-- you know, like our family portraits, as some people do in their stairways? And ever since we got that Waters print, I have been wondering who mine would be. Doc Watson, for my musical daddy, no doubt, but I HAD been wondering, "Who's my mama?" And I am still hard-pressed to choose! :~) Maybe she lived back in slave times and originated some of my favorite spirituals. Or maybe it's Vera Hall.

Thanks for this thread.

I hope Q will help me out and post the titles of the newly-added material, in the permathread.

And yes, others have contributed to that thread in a major way-- there's a credit list in there, somewhere.

~Susan


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Subject: RE: 'Mother' in Spirituals & Blues
From: GUEST,Joe_F
Date: 24 Jul 05 - 09:47 AM

"Wayfaring Stranger":

I'm going there to meet my mother.

She said she'd meet me when I come.

--- Joe Fineman    joe_f@verizon.net

||: We console ourselves by giving good advice when we are too old to set a bad example. :||


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Subject: RE: 'Mother' in Spirituals & Blues
From: greg stephens
Date: 24 Jul 05 - 10:07 AM

Leroy Carr's "Gone mother Blues" I recall as an exceptional song, though I havent got a recording to check. Maybe someone can do a blu clickie.
Here are a few others to check out.
Oh Mama Lilian Offitt
Mama Tell your daughter JB Lenoir
Mama Died and left me Howling Wolf
A Motherws Love BB KIng
NObody Loves me but my Mother BB King
My Mother Told me James Reed
Back home to Mama Big Walter
What my mama told me JR Wells
My Mother Buddy Guy
Mama dont raaise no fools Sugar Pie Desart
Mothers Letter Andrew Tibbs
Listen to Ma Hocial Thomas
Going to see my Ma Alberta Hunter
My Mothers Eyes Lonnie Johnson

And God knows how many songs with the line "If I had listen to what my mother said" (incomparable examples: KC Moan and Dink's Song).
And good old Bessie Smith can have my last word:
"My mama done tol'me
When I was in kneepants"

Aziz: you're going to have to allocate a long long holiday to listen to all the stuff mentioned in this thread!!


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Subject: RE: 'Mother' in Spirituals & Blues
From: Azizi
Date: 24 Jul 05 - 10:24 AM

Wow! Thank you all for these list of examples!

You're right. Listening to all these songs would take a long time. And something tells me it probably would be too sad to listen to these Mother songs without mixing in some uptempo tunes with other themes.

Here is another site for Blues songs about mothers that I stumbled across:

Blues Befor Sunrise- Mother's Day Theme

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Keep those examples coming!


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Subject: RE: 'Mother' in Spirituals & Blues
From: Azizi
Date: 24 Jul 05 - 10:39 AM

Okay. In all the examples listed thus far, why did I zero in on the song "Mama Don't Raise No Fools"?

That title just resonated with me. LOL

In that last link I provided, there is a song "Mama Didn't Raise No Fools" by Sugarpie DeSanto. I suppose that is the same as the one listed by Greg.

I tried with no successto find the lyrics to this song by using Google. But I did find this song that is attributed to firehouse ???[records??] http://www.go2lyrics.com/F/Firehouse/218406.html

Album: Hold Your Fire


Well listen up to what I say
I wasn't born just yesterday
I've been down the road and back a time or two
Well this should come as no surprise
You can't pull the wool over my eyes
I've had it up to here and now I'm through

And I'm sick and tired of fools
Tired of playing by the rules
Time to strut my cool
'Cause mama didn't raise no fool

Chorus:
Mama didn't raise no fool
Well my mama didn't raise no fool
You can't tell me what to do
'Cause my mama didn't raise no fool

What goes around comes back around
And I've been around a few times by now
I've seen it all before and I've paid my dues
So don't tell me no stories
And don't tell me no lies
'Cause my mother brought me up to be a bad mother too

And I'm sick and tired of fools
Tired of playing by the rules
Time to strut my cool
'Cause my mama didn't raise no fool

Mama didn't raise no fool
Well my mama didn't raise no fool
You can't tell me what to do
'Cause mama didn't raise, mama didn't raise
Mama didn't raise no fool

Chorus
Chorus (repeat)
Chorus (repeat)

I'm not sure if this is the same song.

Would anyone be able to set me straight on this?

Thank you.


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Subject: RE: 'Mother' in Spirituals & Blues
From: sixtieschick
Date: 24 Jul 05 - 11:33 AM

0.8912 - MOTHERLESS CHILDREN (in digitrad)

recorded by Gary Davis, Blind Willie Johnson

Motherless children have a hard time when mother is gone
Motherless children have a hard time when mother is gone
Wanderin' 'round from door to door
They don't have no place to go
Motherless children have a hard time when mother is gone.

Some people say, "Sister will do when your mother is gone." (2x)
Some people say "Your sister will do"
Soon as she marries, turn her back on you.
Motherless children have a hard time when mother is gone.

Your wife or your husband may be good to you when your mother is gone.(2x)
Wife or your husband may be good to you,
Nobody treat you like your mother do.
Motherless children have a hard time when mother is gone.

Some people say, "Your auntie will do when your mother is gone." (2x)
Some people say "Your auntie will do"
Make a start, and then prove untrue.
Motherless children have a hard time when mother is gone.

Jesus will be a Father to you when your mother is gone. (2x)
Jesus will be a Father to you
In pain and sorrow He will lead you through.
Motherless children have a hard time when mother is gone.


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Subject: RE: 'Mother' in Spirituals & Blues
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 24 Jul 05 - 11:39 AM

The first song I thought of was If I Could Hear My Mother Pray Again.

Jerry


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Subject: RE: 'Mother' in Spirituals & Blues
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 24 Jul 05 - 02:05 PM

There are several in Lomax and Lomax, Southern States Recording Trip, 1939- all of the spiritual songs are posted at Mudcat (List in Thread 41745). Mother (and variations) often doesn't appear in the title.
Some have a verse devoted to 'mother;'one of these is "I'm a Pilgrim," (Got a Home in Yonder City), 40998. Another with two verses about 'mother' is "Tone the Bell Easy" (in Mudcat, with midi; ABSF, Lomax).
The version they collected of "Motherless Child Sees a Hard Time" is in thread 41010.

The two songs with the title, "Will (Can) the Circle Be Unbroken," as discussed in the thread linked by Azizi, sung and composed by whites, may well be different from the one she has posted here. I think I found a fragment of it in one of the older references, but I will have to check- memory busted).


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Subject: RE: 'Mother' in Spirituals & Blues
From: khandu
Date: 24 Jul 05 - 07:26 PM

Lord, I Just Can't Keep From Crying
        
by Blind Willie Johnson
recording of December 1928, Dallas, Texas
from Complete Recordings of Blind Willie Johnson (Columbia C2K-52835), copyright notice

Lord, I just can't keep from crying sometimes
Lord, I just can't keep from crying sometimes
When my heart's full of sorrow and my eyes are filled with tears
Lord, I just can't keep from crying sometimes

My mother often told me, angels bonded your life away
She said I would accomplish, but trust in God and pray
I'm on the King's Highway, I'm travelin' everyday

'Cause I just can't keep from crying sometimes
Well, I just can't keep from crying sometimes
When my heart's full of sorrow and my eyes are filled with tears
Lord, I just can't keep from crying sometimes

My mother, she's in glory, thank God I'm on my way
Father, he's gone too, and sister she could not stay
I'm trusting Him everyday, to bear my burdens away

'Cause I just can't keep from crying sometimes
Well, I just can't keep from crying sometimes
When my heart's full of sorrow and my eyes are filled with tears
Lord, I just can't keep from crying sometimes

I thought when she first left me, I'd pray4 for a little while
Soon it all would be over, and I'd journey on with a smile
But the thought as I get older, I think of what I told her

And I just can't keep from crying sometimes
Well, I just can't keep from crying sometimes
When my heart's full of sorrow and my eyes are filled with tears
Lord, I just can't keep from crying sometimes

Well, well


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Subject: RE: 'Mother' in Spirituals & Blues
From: khandu
Date: 24 Jul 05 - 07:30 PM

A bit different from the one mentioned above:

Motherless Children Have A Hard Time
        
Traditional
from Complete Recordings of Blind Willie Johnson (Columbia C2K-52835), copyright notice

Well, well, well, ah
A motherless children have a hard time
Motherless children have a hard time, mother's dead
They'll not have anywhere to go, wanderin' around from door to door
Have a hard time

Nobody on earth can take a mother's place when, when mother is dead, Lord
Nobody on earth takes mother's place when, mother's dead
Nobody on earth takes mother's place,
when you were startin', paved the way
Nobody treats you like mother will when

Your wife or husband may be good to you, when mother is dead, Lord
They'll be good to you, mother's dead
A wife or a husband may be good to you,
but, better than nothing has proved untrue
Nobody treats you like mother will when, when mother is dead, Lord

Lord, Lord, Lord
Yeah, well, ah
Well, some people say that sister will do, when mother is dead
That sister will do when mother's dead
Some people say that sister will do,
but, as soon as she's married, she turn her back on you
Nobody treats you like mother will

And father will do the best he can, when mother is dead, Lord
Well, the best he can when mother is dead
Father will do the best he can,
so many things a father can't understand
Nobody treats you like mother will

A motherless children have a hard time, when mother is dead, Lord
Motherless children have a hard time, mother's dead
They'll not have anywhere to go,
Wanderin' around from door to door
Have a hard time


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Subject: RE: 'Mother' in Spirituals & Blues
From: khandu
Date: 24 Jul 05 - 07:34 PM

And a song which Mississipp John Hurt recorded (though I don't know why!!)(These are his complete lyrics to this song!):

Rubber Dolly

My Mother told me if I was goody
That she would buy me a rubber dolly
My Mother told me if I was goody
That she would buy me a rubber dolly


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Subject: RE: 'Mother' in Spirituals & Blues
From: khandu
Date: 24 Jul 05 - 07:39 PM

From "Casey Jones" by MJH:

Children, children, get your hat
Mama, mama, what you mean by that?
Get your hat , put it on your head
Go down in town, see your daddy's dead

Mama, mama, how can it be?
My daddy got killed on the old I.C.
Hush your mouth she said and hold your breath
You're gonna draw a pension after your daddy's dead


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Subject: RE: 'Mother' in Spirituals & Blues
From: khandu
Date: 24 Jul 05 - 08:05 PM

From "Louis Collins" by MJH

Mrs. Collins weep, Mrs. Collins moan
To see her son, Louis, leaving home
The angels carried him away.


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Subject: RE: 'Mother' in Spirituals & Blues
From: Azizi
Date: 24 Jul 05 - 09:06 PM

Khandu, the "My Mother Told l Me" rhyme would also fit in the
I'm Rubber . You're Glue - Children's Rhymes thread.

The words that I remember to this children's handclapping rhyme {from my childhood in Atlantic City New, Jersey, 1950s} are:

My mother told me
clap clap {not said}
if I was goodie
clap clap
she's gonna by me
clap clap
a rubber dolly.
clap clap
But someone told her
clap clap
I kissed a soldier.
clap clap
She didn't buy me
clap clap
a rubber dolly.
clap clap.

-snip-

This rhyme could be recited faster and faster to accompanying parner handclaps.   

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Khandu, what is the date for Mississippi John Hurt's recording of this song?

By googling I found out that "My Mother Told Me" was recorded as "The Clapping Song" by Shirley Ellis {1960s?} Unfortunately,
I don't remember ever hearing it. But I suspect that this rhyme predates the 1950s and my experience of doing handclaps to it.

Does anyone know the source of this rhyme?


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Subject: RE: 'Mother' in Spirituals & Blues
From: khandu
Date: 24 Jul 05 - 09:59 PM

Hurt's first recordings after his rediscovery were in April 1963 for Piedmont Records.

Mississippi John's recorded "Rubber Dolly" (and 35 more songs) on July 15 and July 23, 1963 for the Library of Congress. It is on "DC Blues-The L O C Recordings" (302 061 407 ) released on Fuel 2000 Records in 2004.

The lyrics I posted were all Hurt sang.

The version you posted is the one I heard when I was a child. No telling how long it has been around.

k


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Subject: RE: 'Mother' in Spirituals & Blues
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 24 Jul 05 - 10:28 PM

The tune to "Rubber Dolly" is "Whistling Rufus," the name of a black street entertainer in Alabama who whistled and played guitar.
The tune only is in sheet music at Levy Sheet Music, pub. 1899.
Whistling Rufus
This information is from the Traditional Ballad Index, from Spaeth. I have not listened to the music, so I won't swear that this is correct. The index says "words later."

Randolph has lyrics sung by Mr. Tommy Davis, Galena, MO, 1941, but they bear little relation to "Rubber Dolly" lyrics. I will post them separately.


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Subject: RE: 'Mother' in Spirituals & Blues
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 24 Jul 05 - 10:35 PM

The song "Whistling Rufus" from Randolph is in the DT. More words and discussion in thread 36904, but no connection is made with "Rubber Dolly."
Whistling Rufus


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Subject: RE: 'Mother' in Spirituals & Blues
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 24 Jul 05 - 10:40 PM

See discussion of "Rubber Dolly" here: Rubber Dolly


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Subject: RE: 'Mother' in Spirituals & Blues
From: khandu
Date: 24 Jul 05 - 10:46 PM

The MIDI of "Whistling Rufus" has some similarity to the versions of "Rubber Dolly" I am familiar with, but not enough to say definitely that they came from the same source.

k


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Subject: RE: 'Mother' in Spirituals & Blues
From: Peace
Date: 24 Jul 05 - 10:49 PM

http://www.ceolas.org/cgi-bin/ht2/ht2-fc2/file=/tunes/fc2/fc.html&style=&refer=&abstract=&ftpstyle=&grab=&linemode=&max=250?Ozar

Some notes on "Whistling Rufus". Scroll to the very bottom of the page.


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Subject: RE: 'Mother' in Spirituals & Blues
From: Azizi
Date: 24 Jul 05 - 10:49 PM

Thanks, Q. for finding that information.

I'm going to take the liberty to post that excerpt from that website titled "The Fiddler's Companion" http://www.ibiblio.org/fiddlers/RP_RZ.htm

RUBBER DOLLY (BREAKDOWN) [1]. AKA ‑ "Rubber Dolly Rag." AKA and see "Back Up and Push [1]." Old‑Time, Breakdown. USA; Texas, Arkansas, North Carlolina, Virginia, New York State. C Major (Phillips): A Major (Bronner). Standard or AEAE (for A Major version). AA (Bronner): AA'BB' (Phillips). The title appears in a list of traditional Ozark Mountain fiddle tunes compiled by musicologist/folklorist Vance Randolph, published in 1954. According to Bronner (1987), "Rubber Dolly" was first collected as a Anglo‑American children's game with the following words or variants (which may have come from a music‑hall song of the 1890's):

***

My Mommy told me, she's going to buy a rubber dolly,

If I was good, So don't you till her I kissed a feller/soldier
Or she won't buy me a rubber dolly.

***

Bronner also says the tune has a similarity to an older British Isles melody called "Lord Alexander's Reel/Hornpipe," though he must have consulted other versions of the melody for his sources' version is somewhat obscure. It has been a favorite Texas or western swing piece in the 1930's and 40's, and has also been collected in the northeast. Source for notated version: Charley Hughes (New York State, 1973) [Bronner]. Bronner (Old-Time Music Makers of New York State), 1987; No. 40, pgs. 146‑147 (includes variations). Phillips (Fiddlecase Tunebook), 1989; pg. 37. CMH Country Classics 9027, Johnny Gimble‑ "Texas Fiddle Collection," 1981. Disc D110, Woody Guthrie‑ "Hard Travellin.'" Old‑Timey LP‑101, Uncle Bud Landress "Old Time Southern Dance Music." Old‑Timey LP‑105, Harry Choates‑ "Western Swing."


RUBBER DOLLS [2]. American, Two-Step (?). USA, southwestern Pa. G Major. Standard. AA'BB'. The 'B' part is recognizably the main phrase of the standard "Rubber Dolly" tune. Source for notated version: John Filby (elderly fiddler from Greene County, Pa., 1947; learned from fiddler "Tunge" Everly, Greene County) [Bayard]. Bayard (Dance to the Fiddle), 1981; No. 125, pg. 69.


RUBBER DOLLY [3]. Canadian, Reel. A Major. Standard. AA'BC. A mish-mash of a tune incorporating "Fireman's Reel" ('A' part), the first phrase of "Rubber Dolly" ('B' part), and a tune similar to the 'B' part of "Woodchoopers Reel" ('C' part). Source for notated version: transplanted French-Canadian fiddler Omer Marcoux (Concord, N.H.), learned from his brother in Montreal [Miskoe & Paul]. Miskoe & Paul (Omer Marcoux), 1994; pg. 8.


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Subject: RE: 'Mother' in Spirituals & Blues
From: Azizi
Date: 24 Jul 05 - 10:55 PM

Brucie, I notice both you and Q found the Fiddler's Companion website. Thanks for letting others know about that resource.

I couldn't get that link that you posted to work. I couldn't scroll down the page where you noted there was information on "Whistling Rufus".

Is the name Whistling Rufus supposed to be put in the box that appears?


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Subject: RE: 'Mother' in Spirituals & Blues
From: Peace
Date: 24 Jul 05 - 10:57 PM

My apologies. I see what you mean.

Google this instead:

Ceolas: The Fiddler's Companion


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Subject: RE: 'Mother' in Spirituals & Blues
From: Azizi
Date: 24 Jul 05 - 11:05 PM

Okay, Brucie. Thanks, again.

The excerpt below is reproduced from Whistling Rufus


WHISTLING RUFUS. AKA and see "Way Down South." Old-Time, Breakdown. USA; Virginia, Alabama, Missouri, Arkansas, Arizona. G Major {Phillips}: G Major ('A' and 'B' parts) & C Major ('C' part). Standard {Brody}. AB (Phillips): AAB (Brody). Mark Wilson identifies it as a c. 1900 cakewalk composed by Kerry Mills; other sources also identify it as a turn of the century ragtime composition, and Cauthen (1990) calls it a minstrel composition which passed into fiddling tradition. Arizona fiddler Kenner C. Kartchner identified it as a "good two-step from around 1900" (Shumway). It was played by Rock Ridge, Alabama, fiddlers around 1920 and it appears in a list of traditional Ozark Mountain fiddle tunes compiled by musicologist/folklorist Vance Randolph, published in 1954. Stacy Phillips (1995) notes that the first section is sometimes bowed right next to the bridge, resulting in a whistle-like tone. Source for notated version: Buddy Pendleton [Brody]. Brody (Fiddler's Fakebook), 1983; pg. 291. Phillips (Traditional American Fiddle Tunes), Vol. 2, 1995; pg. 166. Ruth (Pioneer Western Folk Tunes), 1948; No. 40, pg. 15. American Heritage 510, Jay Belt- "Fiddlin' Jay Belt." Bluebird Records, 1934, The Skillet Lickers. County 705, Buddy Pendleton- "Virginia Breakdown." County 412, "Fiddling Doc Roberts" (Ky.) {appears as "Way Down South"}. Folkways FA 2337, Clark Kessiger (Va.) - "Live at Union Grove." Marimac 9017, Vesta Johnson (Mo.) - "Down Home Rag." Rebel 1531, Curly Ray Cline- "Fishin' For Another Hit."
T:Whistling Rufus
L:1/8
M:2/4
S:Viola "Mom" Ruth, 1948
K:G
(3D/E/F/|G(3A/B/c/ d(e/f/)|ggeA B/A/G/B/|(d2 d) (3D/E/F/|
G(3A/B/c/ d(e/f/)|ggeb a/g/e/g/|(a2 a) (3D/E/F/|G(3A/B/c/ d(e/f/)|
ggeA B/A/G/B/|d3d|g/gg/ ge|d/dd/ dc|B2A2|G3B||
|:AG d2|d3e|dB F2|F3c|BA e2|e3 (e/f/)|(g/f/e) B2|B3B|AG d2|
d3e|d>B c2|c3c|BG B2|cB E2|1 F2(G2|G3)B:|2 F2(G2|G3||


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Subject: RE: 'Mother' in Spirituals & Blues
From: khandu
Date: 24 Jul 05 - 11:07 PM

Tom: Tell me about Narmore and Smith.
From an interview with John Hurt at This site:

Note: Narmour & Smith were an Old Time fiddle music duo from Carroll County, MS. Obviously, the tune "Rubber Dolly" was common to fiddlers.



John: Well, Mr. Smith was Mr. Narmore's second and lots of times when he couldn't be with him, well he would get me.

Tom: He'd do fiddlin and you'd do backin up.

John: That's right, I'd do the backin up.

Tom: Now when you played with him, I imagine he knew things like the Rubber Dolly.

John: Sure.

Tom: Carroll County Blues.

John: Right.


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Subject: RE: 'Mother' in Spirituals & Blues
From: khandu
Date: 24 Jul 05 - 11:12 PM

Good Lord...a jazzed-up Country version of the song HERE


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Subject: RE: 'Mother' in Spirituals & Blues
From: ragdall
Date: 25 Jul 05 - 11:36 AM

There is a song on one of my Paul Robeson records that usually brings tears to my eyes. This is part of it:

There's a man goin' round takin' names
He has taken my mother's name and has left my heart in pain
He has taken my father's name and has left my heart in pain
Now death is the man takin' names
He has taken my brother's name and has left my heart in pain.
There's a man goin' round takin' names


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Subject: RE: 'Mother' in Spirituals & Blues
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 25 Jul 05 - 02:10 PM

ragdall, see thread 46708 where the song is posted near the end of the thread.
First publication seems to be in Arms, 1926, but the spiritual probably is much older.
Dere's a Man


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Subject: RE: 'Mother' in Spirituals & Blues
From: Azizi
Date: 25 Jul 05 - 04:35 PM

Q, when you say "see thread 46708" or some other thread number, what is the process for pulling up that thread?

Do you use the Search and Knowledge box or something else?

Thanks in advance of your reply.


Azizi


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Subject: RE: 'Mother' in Spirituals & Blues
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 25 Jul 05 - 06:37 PM

Azizi, I put - taking names - into the Lyrics and Knowledge search box. No "" or caps. Several thread descriptions came up including the one I linked; also a listing for the DT under a later name. I took the words that I thought were less likely to be in dialect or mis-spelled (all too common here).

I see that I had already put it in thread 20724. King of Names


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Subject: RE: 'Mother' in Spirituals & Blues
From: Azizi
Date: 25 Jul 05 - 08:02 PM

Q, I'm sorry I didn't understand your answer.

If I understand you correctly, you did not mean that you put a particular thread number in the Search and Knowledge box. I've tried that and it doesn't work {or at least didn't work for me that time}.

When you refer to those threads by their number and not their name {as in your post in this thead on 25 Jul 05 - 02:10 PM }, how do people access them?


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Subject: RE: 'Mother' in Spirituals & Blues
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 25 Jul 05 - 08:56 PM

1. No, I put the two words - taking names - no more. The less the better.

2. I put the link as well as the number. But an easy way from the number-
I open up another Mudcat window. I open ANY thread in the list. Then, in the address bar at the top of your screen, type in the thread number you want and remove the number that is there. Hit your Enter Key (Return or whatever it is called on your keyboard), and voila!

I also remove the =messages#, but this seems not to be necessary.


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Subject: RE: 'Mother' in Spirituals & Blues
From: Azizi
Date: 25 Jul 05 - 09:11 PM

Thanks, Q!

I appreciate your response.


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Subject: RE: 'Mother' in Spirituals & Blues
From: ragdall
Date: 26 Jul 05 - 04:14 AM

ragdall, see thread 46708 where the song is posted near the end of the thread.
First publication seems to be in Arms, 1926, but the spiritual probably is much older.
Dere's a Man


I'm confused. I shouldn't have mentioned that song in this thread because the song is somewhere else in the database?

Azizi posted:
There are other Mudcat threads on mothers, but it doesn't appear if any specifically list and provide lyrics for Spirituals and Blues that mention "mother".


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Subject: RE: 'Mother' in Spirituals & Blues
From: Azizi
Date: 26 Jul 05 - 09:30 AM

Ragdall, what I meant by my comment is that while are Sprituals or Blues that mention 'mother' scattered in other threads, there did not appear to be any thread devoted to a listing of examples, and/or presentation of lyrics, and/or discussion of the topic of "Mothers in Spirituals and Blues".

Since it is a topic that I'm interested in and I thought others might also be interested in it also, I started this thread.


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Subject: RE: 'Mother' in Spirituals & Blues
From: Azizi
Date: 26 Jul 05 - 09:34 AM

Okay, I'm starting out this morning in find form...see these corrections:

while there are Sprituals or Blues that mention 'mother' scattered in other threads, there does not appear to be any threads devoted to a listing of examples, and/or presentation of lyrics, and/or discussion of the topic of "Mothers in Spirituals and Blues".

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I hereby promise to use the Preview feature for all other Mudcat posts I write.

Really. And I have a bridge you can buy too.

:D


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Subject: RE: 'Mother' in Spirituals & Blues
From: Azizi
Date: 26 Jul 05 - 09:42 AM

See what I mean?

"find" form was supposed to be "fine" form...

Preview is not spell check. And to say that people with my temperament [and "What kind of temperament is that???-don't ask!! LOL!!] should take the time to write their posts in Word and then do spell check and then post on Mudcat - nah sorry, aint gonna happen with me. Not that any of this is heavy duty or has anything to do with the mention of mothers in Blues and Sprituals..and I know that I'm just procrastinating writing this because I should be working on my writing project, but...anyway...okay...I'm off...have a good day...and sorry for the typos...and btw, since there's a current thread on this subject, not that it matters, but I agree with Max that posters shouldn't have access to a personal edit feature...let everybody see what mistakes we made...if we want we can catch them and correct them in a subsequent post...like I just did...two times already today...

Positive vibrations,

Azizi


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Subject: RE: 'Mother' in Spirituals & Blues
From: Azizi
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 12:33 PM

Here's a too short YouTube video clip of a "Jazz fusion of Afghan traditional song from Herat and the spiritual Motherless Child as performed by Ghulam Hossein and Ensemble Kabul and American Voices quartet featuring Mike Del Ferro Trio and CoCo York"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_eMVqJ9Dd8

Added July 26, 2006; From americanvoices


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Subject: RE: 'Mother' in Spirituals & Blues
From: Azizi
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 01:02 PM

Motherless Child- Eric Clapton

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8RdrK9OCi8&mode=related&search=

Added June 23, 2006 ;From chtrembl
Eric Clapton Motherless Child from the Clapton Chronicles: The Best of Eric Clapton DVD


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Subject: RE: 'Mother' in Spirituals & Blues
From: Joe_F
Date: 08 Feb 07 - 08:58 PM

Dink's Song:

If I done listen
To what my mammy said,
I'd be at home
In my mammy's bed.


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Subject: RE: 'Mother' in Spirituals & Blues
From: GUEST,treadnot
Date: 10 Mar 11 - 05:50 PM

Lottie Kimbrough's Wayward Girl Blues is all about her Mother.


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