Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 05 Aug 05 - 07:23 PM

Manitas there a a good programme of events for Limpet and I'm sure Maddie will enjoy having her along. Children in performance is always good.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: bill\sables
Date: 06 Aug 05 - 04:05 AM

Mudcat tee shirts will be on sale at the Spa Pavilion in the Musical Instrument trade / Graft Fair. Look out for my stand with a great variety of instruments but mostly Vintage U.S.A Banjos and Fiddles. I will have Red and Blue shirts and patches on sale there
Cheers Bill

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: gnomad
Date: 06 Aug 05 - 07:16 AM

"Any others?" Well offhand there are:

Little Angel - Folk friendly as a rule

Ship - Folk friendly, has been known for near endless instument sessions

Buck - Mixed receptions in the past, sometimes OK, sometines hostile

Bottom House - Has occasional folky acts, has hosted some official bits of the festival, unsure whether that includes this year, and attitude to impromptu folkiness unknown

Jolly Sailor - (Sorry Ray) Sam Smiths house so now in the same position as the Plough

Dolphin - consistently folk-hostile in the past

Golden Lion - Not been tried to my knowledge, front room is tiny, the back room larger, but very much a regular customers' place

Granby - Not folk-friendly, but good for food

Whitby Arms - Unknown quantity, might merit a small trial visit, but with limited expectations

Stakesby Arms - You want to slog it out there for a 60's estate pub? You're a better man than I.

Black Swan & Big Angel (New Angel) - Loud pop music & plenty of fighting, not my bag, thank you.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Bill t' bodger
Date: 06 Aug 05 - 09:10 AM

Please remember the campsites CANNOT open before 4pm on Friday and the stewards have a rush to contend with so be patient and consider local residents especially at the Stakesby campsite

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: R. Padgett
Date: 06 Aug 05 - 10:19 AM

Thanks gnomad I did know about Jolly Sailor, Buck is next door should be ok

Golden Lion very likely Folk ok, front room needs checking (its directly opposite the swing bridge at the bottom of the passage which goes up the hill ~ if you know what I mean!

Little Angel needs checking s/b ok

no idea Stakesby,


Big Angel, might be too big leave some for normal tourists!

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: LesB
Date: 06 Aug 05 - 02:22 PM

I wonder what will transpire if any rapper sides doing a rapper tour, try to dance in a Sam Smith's pub?
The Jolly Sailor is usually a target.
In, get a drink, dance(5 min Max), finish drink, out. Bin & gone no one the wiser?
Les

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: R. Padgett
Date: 06 Aug 05 - 02:26 PM

Rapper musician will be ejected end of story!

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Tig
Date: 06 Aug 05 - 03:09 PM

The Sam's landlords have been made to sign new contracts agreeing to no forms of music on their premises so please don't try it otherwise they could well be out of a job - a hard blow as well as losing their trade over folk week!

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Willa
Date: 06 Aug 05 - 04:27 PM

Martin
Middle earth is programmed for music sessions Sunday to Friday, 5 - 7pm each night, different leaders each time.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,one who likes to help
Date: 06 Aug 05 - 08:11 PM

The Buck is Sam Smith's too - or was!

Bottom House has never actually hosted official events - although some were scheduled one year when they pulled out at the last minute.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,aelfleda
Date: 07 Aug 05 - 08:16 AM

Im not going to get into debates about singarounds but ta for all the comments & I'll try & keep seats warm for Mary & Liz.
Broadings Farm is a definite possibility for tents - unfortunately they're not listed in the local phone book. However, Cross Butts Farm, which is also a possibility (both on Guisborough Rd & next door to one another) is 01947 820986.
Hope this helps you guys who are struggling to find sites
See you all soon
Jude

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: gnomad
Date: 07 Aug 05 - 09:17 AM

CORRECTIONS

1 When I typed Whitby Arms I should have typed Star, name changed years ago, sorry.

2 Buck; This is a Smiths house, but it is John of that ilk, rather than Sam, so it is not affected by Humphrey's tantrums.

ADDITIONAL INFO

There is talk of the Friendship Rowing Club possibly accepting folky trade. They provide the new venue for the Whitby Folk Club on wednesdays. A nice place, but the real ale crowd are likely to be unhappy with it.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: R. Padgett
Date: 07 Aug 05 - 04:45 PM

Hey Jude!

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: buttonbox
Date: 07 Aug 05 - 06:06 PM

midle earth also programed for musicians sessions mon - fri 1 to 3 pm different leaders etc
b

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST, One who likes to help
Date: 07 Aug 05 - 08:01 PM

Broadings is listed on the official Whitby Folk Week website - www.folkwhitby.co.uk.

Cross Butts may well decide to take advantage of the increase in camping demand brought about by Whitby Folk Week. They have not been doing any camping having moved up market with a restaurant that has drawn the crowds recently. However they are farming stock and so are probably not averse to making a bob or two from other diversifications! No guarantees though.

Your man is right about the Buck being John rather than Sam but they have never been particularly folk friendly.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: R. Padgett
Date: 08 Aug 05 - 02:55 AM

Hy gnomad just how old and how far back do you with Whitby Arms!

The Star (just round from Seamans' Mission) has been the Star as far back as I can remember!

Likes of Bob and Hazel Spray stayed there and i remember Harry Boardman and Jim Potter playing darts in there

They use to have brasses on the walls, pinched by a set of rockers back in the 70s and we weren't welcome any more!

Probably a new landlord or two since then

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 08 Aug 05 - 04:35 AM

I anticipate problems in the Black Horse during folk week, Sue the landlady has problems with complaints about noise from her neighbour. Last Sunday afternoon she complained about noise and there were only 5 musicians playing individually one after the other, so there wasn't a great degree of volume. This has been on-going for some time and during folk week I do not think the neighbour will ease off.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: R. Padgett
Date: 08 Aug 05 - 07:35 AM

Who are her neigbours Nick?

When were they playing (day/time) in the front or back?

Is she licensed for music?

Ray

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Aug 05 - 07:51 AM

You could always busk outside the neigbours house then it would not involve the pub

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 08 Aug 05 - 08:10 AM

I am led to believe it is the owner of the shop next door "Fancy That" I think, she has been complaining about noise ever since she moved in some years ago. I know and you know that if you move next door to a pub you should expect noise but she doesn't seem to think this is so. We were playing in the back room during the day about 1.00 till about 3.00 and as far as I am aware Sue does have a music licence

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: R. Padgett
Date: 08 Aug 05 - 08:41 AM

She's going to have to 'lump it' cant expect pubs to be quiet during folk week, one of the most lucrative times of the year

Cannot stop it during day time, but the landlady will have to watch late nights ~ or will that be when Church St will be deserted?

Ray

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 08 Aug 05 - 09:05 AM

Sue asked us to keep the noise down mid-afternoon following a complaint from this woman, in the past she has involved both the police and the licencing authorities in her complaints against landlords of the Black Horse, Sue it would seem wants to keep things on an amicable basis but I doubt if this woman is prepared to compromise in any way

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: R. Padgett
Date: 08 Aug 05 - 10:38 AM

Right thing to do is gazump her. Do it now

Tell the police and the local authority that this is the most important week of the year in terms of revenue and the law is made to protect both licensees and other shop owners, and ~

A balance needs to be stuck in terms of give and take and continued complaints from next door are now being view as harassment against herself as a reasonable licensee and her customers, who are seeking legitimate enjoyment at a noise level which is not inconsistent with such activities.

Then see what happens!!

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Aug 05 - 11:03 AM

Excellent idea best form of defence is attack, in this case done in a resonable manner.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: buttonbox
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 04:08 AM

why not just relax and enjoy the festival instead of   talking/thinking in warlike terms of defence and attack, there are plenty of places to play in without geting bogged down over the fate of one place and it's problems. Relax and enjoy - I will!
cheers
BB

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 04:52 AM

Au Contraire Buttonbox, with the Plough being off-limits there will be hundreds of people looking for alternative venues. If you consider how many people crammed into the Plough front room, both back rooms and the yard who will now be trying to squeeze into much smaller venues that in previous years were normally full to capacity anyway there are serious considerations regarding space. Although the Black Horse is tiny (20 people in the back room make it look crowded)it is a favoured venue and as such will be a great loss if one individual is allowed to dictate to the landlady. I also consider it valid to make people aware of potential problems before the event so that the landlady herself is not castigated.

Cheers

Raggy

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 05:55 AM

Agree, there will me many people looking for places to play, so it seems common sense to discuss and research prior to folk getting there, this can only help

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 07:02 AM

The same goes for camping, or lack of it. I first posted back in May advising of the reduction in camping, many people may just turn up expecting to camp at Stoupes Cross or Whitby Holiday park only to find there is no space available locally, it is much better to inform as many people as possible in advance so they can make informed decisions and plan where to stay

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: pericles
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 09:19 AM

Hello All,
                  Up-date on the pub front!
         The Buck's got new people in,not sure if folkie friendly or not i'll go and ave a gander.
         The Board also has new people in and they are.Even caught the landlord singing last week.Just throw in a couple of fishing songs and we'll be fine!Got to be the gift shop complaining next to the Black Horse,cos the other side is Justins and he is into all singing,even his own,Ive sung my heart out in The Black Horse and no-ones told me to be quiet.YET!
                                  TTFN X X

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: vikki
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 03:30 PM

Hi, Buttonbox question marked whether sandsend is caravans only, so i just thought i would let you know that it is, i heard that they arent even taking trailer tents this year either which they did do in the past.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 05:30 AM

Pericles ..... the problem in the Black Horse is long standing, the previous two landlords for the most part ignored it, although the last landlord Steve has visitations from the Police and licencing authorities on more than one occasion (but he was known to party till the ealry hours ......... I wasn't there Guv, 'onest I was in our house watching Banana Splits ..... la la la lala la la, la la la lala la la)

Sue is trying to walk a thin line

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: R. Padgett
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 06:18 AM

Still need to talk to police and assure them that she will abide by all regulations however a public house is a public house and if licensed for music a reasonable level of noise is what is only to be expected particulary Folk week and NOT amplified at all

Give and take is expected from both sides, many of the tourists are there mainly for Folk week anyway and all should benefit

Many years shops and pubs change owners due to non viablility
Whitby in the Winter has a very high unemployment level and summer is the only time when the pubs and shops take enough to see them thro the winter

Shops shouldnt throw the baby out with the bath water
Ray

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 06:24 AM

I still like the busking idea outside her house/shop

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 06:26 AM

Come to think of it, where are the best busking places at Whitby during the festival to both watch and play please, any rules etc?

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST, One who likes to help
Date: 12 Aug 05 - 08:53 PM

Indiscriminate busking during folk week is not welcomed by the festival for obvious reasons and by the police because they would prefer a quiet life. People willing to busk for the festival are welcome but they are asked to contact the office to obtain a permit and also be advised of the "official" sites.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Aug 05 - 03:50 AM

They "official" sites are sites designated by the festival, but you can just set up and busk in your own right if you wish, many do, and its very enjoyable to.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,SirTK
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 03:34 AM

Accommodation is really difficult for camping anywhere reasonable. The old Haven had space but declined my folding camper so trailer tents will have no chance.

Have these places had trouble with people in tents or something?

I'm booked in at Rigg Farm caravan park about 3 miles out so will have to use taxis. Or I could just stay off the drink I suppose.

Like I said, taxis.

cheers, Terry

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 11:08 AM

Suggestions have been made for an official gathering during folk week, possibly in the Black Horse later in the week - maybe Thursday?

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 11:42 AM

Hellooooooooo Mrs Duck, don't think the Black Horse would be big enough, would it?

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: MC Fat
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 11:52 AM

Not if you want to fit me in......By the way all fings considered it looks as though my long awaited dosh should be through this week so i will be a Whitters...yippee

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 11:55 AM

Doubt if everyone would turn up at once Raggy. We can always spill out onto the alleyway.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 12:06 PM

Good to hear that Jim, see you there. Sure they'll squeeze me and you in!

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: R. Padgett
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 12:23 PM

Mines a pint Jimmy !!

Gathering probably best in the big room Tap and Spile whenever, bearing in mind poss treasure hunt etc

Say Thursday am ?? 11am

Ray

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 12:41 PM

Know nothing about any treasure hunt Ray. 11am is likely to clash with workshops and things isn't it? But you may be right about size. I'm easy whichever.

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: R. Padgett
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 01:08 PM

Yep Jude usually has things happening in the week
Wed pm Egton show and of course the festival proper anyone any bright ideas!!

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 01:42 PM

Never had a tresure hunt during folk week though

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Mary Humphreys
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 03:13 PM

If you make it Thursday we will miss it - Anahata and I are down at Robin Hood's Bay for the afternoon.
Keep us posted.
Mary

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: Sue the Borderer
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 07:45 PM

Too late to keep me posted - I start on the long trek North (from Devon) later this morning. Looking forward to seeing you folks again especially in the Tap and Spile.

If you want a break from singing come and dance (or play) with Herbaceous Border 3.45pm Mon-Fri at Scoresby Monument. Mary H, we'd love to have you dance with us again .... but this time don't put your hand in the way of that big stick like you did at Miskin!

Sue

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST, One who likes to help
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 07:54 PM

Re Busking.
Yes you can busk anywhere and to hell with anyone!
The problem is that the townspeople are inundated some of the time with amplified buskers and this creates a certian amount of antipathy to the festival week. The festival therefore tries to ask people to be reasonable. But then maybe some folks just don't care!?

Subject: RE: Whitby Folk Week Aug 20 2005
From: GUEST,Whitby Lover
Date: 16 Aug 05 - 02:46 AM

Whatby your name, darlin?