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BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?

Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull 04 Aug 05 - 08:19 PM
beardedbruce 04 Aug 05 - 08:21 PM
bobad 04 Aug 05 - 08:24 PM
beardedbruce 04 Aug 05 - 08:26 PM
bobad 04 Aug 05 - 08:28 PM
Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull 04 Aug 05 - 08:31 PM
beardedbruce 04 Aug 05 - 08:39 PM
Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull 04 Aug 05 - 08:43 PM
Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull 04 Aug 05 - 08:44 PM
beardedbruce 04 Aug 05 - 08:47 PM
beardedbruce 04 Aug 05 - 08:50 PM
harpgirl 04 Aug 05 - 09:45 PM
jacqui.c 04 Aug 05 - 10:11 PM
NH Dave 04 Aug 05 - 11:38 PM
GUEST,Paul G. 04 Aug 05 - 11:52 PM
dianavan 05 Aug 05 - 12:08 AM
GUEST 05 Aug 05 - 04:06 AM
Le Scaramouche 05 Aug 05 - 04:37 AM
s6k 05 Aug 05 - 07:33 AM
Le Scaramouche 05 Aug 05 - 07:51 AM
bobad 05 Aug 05 - 07:51 AM
GUEST 05 Aug 05 - 08:06 AM
Tam the man 05 Aug 05 - 09:33 AM
GUEST,David Hannam 05 Aug 05 - 10:40 AM
Azizi 05 Aug 05 - 11:29 AM
Le Scaramouche 05 Aug 05 - 11:53 AM
dianavan 05 Aug 05 - 12:29 PM
Azizi 05 Aug 05 - 12:37 PM
Le Scaramouche 05 Aug 05 - 01:01 PM
GUEST,David Hannam 05 Aug 05 - 01:03 PM
Azizi 05 Aug 05 - 01:54 PM
Le Scaramouche 05 Aug 05 - 02:09 PM
Little Hawk 05 Aug 05 - 02:15 PM
s6k 05 Aug 05 - 09:22 PM
GUEST,David Hannam 06 Aug 05 - 03:49 AM
Strollin' Johnny 06 Aug 05 - 05:25 AM
George Papavgeris 06 Aug 05 - 05:35 AM
GUEST,David Hannam 06 Aug 05 - 05:41 AM
George Papavgeris 06 Aug 05 - 06:13 AM
GUEST,DB 06 Aug 05 - 07:13 AM
Le Scaramouche 06 Aug 05 - 10:47 AM
GUEST,David Hannam 06 Aug 05 - 10:57 AM
Le Scaramouche 06 Aug 05 - 11:17 AM
GUEST,David Hannam 06 Aug 05 - 12:04 PM
dianavan 06 Aug 05 - 12:32 PM
Le Scaramouche 06 Aug 05 - 12:45 PM
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Subject: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 04 Aug 05 - 08:19 PM

Anser= No.

THere is probly about 3 million muslims in uk, some of them are loonies, [but pobably less than 1 in a thousand!

most [almost all of them] are normal, hardworking people.

I spent last 16 years working for muslims, they normal folk, trying to make a livingf]!


too much racism about nowadays, lets calm it down and get on with each other.


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Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 04 Aug 05 - 08:21 PM

Actually, since most of the Moslems I know are caucasian, it is bigotry, not racism. And yes, there is too much- ANY is too much.


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Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: bobad
Date: 04 Aug 05 - 08:24 PM

There is a number of muslims who believe that all non muslims are rubbish as there is a number of non muslims who believe that all muslims are rubbish, these are the one's who cause all the trouble.


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Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 04 Aug 05 - 08:26 PM

agreed. but rather than look to assign blame, let us look for a solution ( or solutions).


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Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: bobad
Date: 04 Aug 05 - 08:28 PM

Any ideas bb?


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Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 04 Aug 05 - 08:31 PM

Please see my post on "How to end racism " thread.

too much moaning about muslims, pising me off.


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Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 04 Aug 05 - 08:39 PM

I wish I did.

But the present tendency to keep looking for someone to blame- Israel, the US, Western Culture, etc. is not the way. There is blame for all parties. If the moderate Moslems would just make it known that the extremists are NOT a part of their religion, perhaps there would be less animosity towards them. The recent Fatwa was a good step- but it took how long? The fatwas against Rushdie were out before the book was published- but this is the first fatwa against terrorism...


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Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 04 Aug 05 - 08:43 PM

bearded bruce-are you an idiot?

I am currently wearing a blue jacket, do you feel it is neccasery for me to apologise to anyone who has ever been mugged by men wearing blue jackets?


lets assume you are a christian, if therewas a bombing or wahtever by christians, would you aplogise for it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Rt Revd Sir jOhn from Hull
Date: 04 Aug 05 - 08:44 PM

Qoute= "I wish i did"


you wish you had waht?


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Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 04 Aug 05 - 08:47 PM

fatwas are NOT apologies- They are statements of religious law. The terrorists claim that they are acting according to Islamic law- the fatwa is a statement that they are not.

If I were a christian, and a group claiming to be acting according to the bible performed a terrorist act, such as bombing a clinic, I would certainly want the leaders of my religion to make a statement that the act was NOT according to the religion.


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Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: beardedbruce
Date: 04 Aug 05 - 08:50 PM

I wish I did have ideas that would be solutions to the problem.


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Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: harpgirl
Date: 04 Aug 05 - 09:45 PM

Why have religion in the first place? It's only ever caused death and destruction the world over.


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Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 04 Aug 05 - 10:11 PM

Religion can be used for good or evil. What causes the wars is the different views on religion. Too many people believe that theirs is the only true religion and that every one else is wrong and must be put right.

I'd say that lack of tolerance is probably the cause of a lot of the violence that has plagued the human race.


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Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: NH Dave
Date: 04 Aug 05 - 11:38 PM

I don't know if Muslims are rubbish or not, but I do know it took three and a half years for moderate Muslims to declare a fatwah on the actions of their terroristic bretherin. Unfortunately that only came after and perhaps as a result of the bombings in London. I'll believe that they are not all homicidal maniacs when the denials of the ravings of the homicidal few are immediately denounced by their cooler thinking   coreligionists.

   What I do know is that at the rate they are immigrating and reproducing, they will soon become the majority in many of the European countries, and will be making the rules by which the rest of us will be governed.

   Dave


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Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,Paul G.
Date: 04 Aug 05 - 11:52 PM

Religion is rubbish because if you can be persuaded that there is a supreme being who made all things and has a heaven for those who do what he/she wants, then you can believe anything - even believe that this supreme being wants you to kill people who do not believe what you believe.

This is your one life. You might not like it all that much but make the best of it. Get along with other people. Do not kill them. It is all we've got. There's nothing beyond, after you're dead.


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Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: dianavan
Date: 05 Aug 05 - 12:08 AM

harpgirl -

Zawahiri vowed that the U.S. and British people "will have no security until we have it and live it in Palestine and until their atheist armies pull out from the land of Prophet Mohammed."

From the Aljazeera videotape.

Thats not the same as trying to impose your religious ideals on others at all. It sounds to me it is just another way of saying 'Yanqui go home' so that they can continue to practice their religion within their own culture in their own land.

Lets not forget that it is America who is the aggressor in Iraq and Israel who is the 'new kid on the block."

Yes, I hate religious persecution and think it has no place in politics. Maybe if we can get past calling it a 'religious war', we can begin to understand what the terrorists are saying.


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Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Aug 05 - 04:06 AM

Harpgirl is right. Once he adds "God willing" to his demands and threats, it's all down to religion. The human race will never progress till it stops killing itself and kills God.


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Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 05 Aug 05 - 04:37 AM

No, if you are willing to kill over that, you'll just find something in the place of religion. If any of you seriously believe in the equasion 'no religion = no war' you haven't a clue about the human race. The causes go far deeper.
What causes war is people are out for gain or revenge or any number of things.
People like that I say aren't truly religious but using it as a pretext. Remove that and they will find something else.


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Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: s6k
Date: 05 Aug 05 - 07:33 AM

agreee with j0hn

and muslims are not rubbish, but religion is rubbish, theres too many people, british and otherwise, who think that all muslims are bad. no theyre not. Cat Stevens is Muslim - look what he has done for werld peace.

these twats who say kill all muslims etc should get a grip on the facts


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Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 05 Aug 05 - 07:51 AM

Religion is about as much rubbish as Muslims, or Jews, or Brits, Americans, French, Spanish, Russians, etc.


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Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: bobad
Date: 05 Aug 05 - 07:51 AM

dianavan

Where would you have the Israelis go?


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Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Aug 05 - 08:06 AM

these twats who say kill all muslims etc should get a grip on the facts

Are people really saying kill all muslims?


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Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Tam the man
Date: 05 Aug 05 - 09:33 AM

What is Normal?


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Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 05 Aug 05 - 10:40 AM

What a silly name for a thread. lol


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Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Azizi
Date: 05 Aug 05 - 11:29 AM

I think that the name of this thread is beyond silly. I think it is very disturbing, very negative, and very demeaning to Muslims as a group and to 'Catters as a group.

This does not mean that I believe that all 'Catters or most Catters accept that depiction of Muslims or the Muslim religion, or even think the question is a valid one for consideration. However, IMHO, for this question to even be raised in this manner does not speak well of us.

I'm wondering has there been a comparable thread titled "Are Christians Rubbish?" or "Are Jews Rubbish?"

Given the fact that there is currently rampant fear and bigotry against Muslims, to initiate such a discussion now plays into the hands of those who are just looking for an opening to spead their particular brand of poison.

I regret that this thread provides such an opportunity.


Azizi

PS:

Since some people may question my religious affiliation because they are unfamiliar with my Swahili name {which is similar to an Arabic name}, let me state for the record that I'm not Muslim and have never been Muslim. However, I do know good people of various races who are Muslim.


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Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 05 Aug 05 - 11:53 AM

No disrespect, but isn't Azizi a male name? it does mean the same as Aziz though doesn't it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: dianavan
Date: 05 Aug 05 - 12:29 PM

bobad - I don't think the Israeli's should "go" anywhere. I do think they must begin to respect their neighbors and stop threatening them with expansion. I also think that they should seek a solution to the Palestinian conflict and quit leaning on the U.S. for support.   

I would like to see the Palestinians and the Israelis living in harmony.


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Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Azizi
Date: 05 Aug 05 - 12:37 PM

Off Topic

Le Scaramouche, "Azizi" is a female KiSwahili name. This name almost certainly came from the Arabic female Arabic name "Aziza". The male KiSwahili and Arabic name is "Aziz".

See this information from Wikipedia:
"Aziz, originally a Syriac word and name, is also an Arabic name, and spans other areas such as Russia. Aziz is translated to Darling in the English language. Aziz is a common name for people from Assyrians to Kurds, and there are many famous people that went by the name Aziz, such as Aziz Karl, a ruthless warrior in the 2nd century. The name Aziz is also close to the Hebrew name Isaac but they two names are not of the same origin. Although now a rare name, it spans from mediterranean areas to Europe and Asia including of Russia, Armenia, and others."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aziz

-snip-

"Azizi" [Aziza] is usually given as meaning "precious". In the late 1960s when I was given this 'free' name, I was told that it meant "one who is rare and precious". In the 1990s-early 2000s several Muslims told me that the name "Aziz' means "powerful [one] or mighty [one]. I have read that the widely used two part name "Adul-Aziz" means "servant of the powerful one" or "servant of the mighty one"-abdul=servant; aziz=powerful. The powerful/mighty one is a referent for God [Allah]. I have also had Muslims tell me that "Azizi" means "darling". These three meanings may actually be related as ,presumably, if a woman serves God {Allah} they would be precious, well loved, and fondly thought of being a "darling".

I suppose that 'powerful/mighty' definition is considered to reserved mostly for the masculine form of this name, and the "precious, rare, darling" part for the feminine. But I like the fact that my name evokes all of these vibrations.

BTW, 'free name' was the term used in the late 1960s, 1970s by African Americans. The term refers to the traditional African and Arabic personal names that were used in place of European and Hebrew personal names which were called 'slave names". Traditional African and Arabic names were adopted in place of these birth names to reflect a hightened sense of pride in African heritage. Usually [afrocentric} African Americans changed their first names and retained their "European" surnames {last names}. However, some African Americans also adopted Arabic or African last names too..

As to why so many African Americans during that time and since have given themselves or their children Arabic names:
1.Islam was part of West Africa as early as the 9th century. And some enslaved African Americans were Muslim
[See Islam in West Africa ]

2. Arabic names [and the Arabic language} were more familiar to
   African Americans than traditional African names/language

3. Arabic names are easy to pronouce, largely conform to African
   American sound preferences and such European practices as having
   a female name end with an "a"

4. Arabic names were popularized by African American [jazz] musicians
   such as Ahmad Jamal and Jusef Latif and prominent sports figures
   such as Muhammad Ali and Kareem Abdul Jabbar.

etc. etc. etc.

Thanks for the question.

[Sister} Azizi


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Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 05 Aug 05 - 01:01 PM

Ok, thanks for clearing up the gender of the name.
Article makes a few mistakes, especialy on Isaac which is nothing of the sort. It means 'will laugh' and is pronounced Eetz-khak.
Yeah, I know what a free name is and think Muhammad Ali's is the most ironic.
Actualy, Arab names aren't easy to pronounce by Americans, at least haven't heard them pronounced the right way.


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Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 05 Aug 05 - 01:03 PM

Well Azizi, i'm all for open free debate on any issue. I don't believe any subject should be out of bounds of free debate.

I openly welcome the debate on Muslim minority extremists, but the naming of this thread is silly. Are Muslims rubbish, only an idiot would answer yes. So, the thread question basically leads anyone who critisizes Muslim Extremists to be in the extremist catagory. As that person would presumably by his/her critisizm be implying that muslims are rubbish?

It is indeed a silly thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Azizi
Date: 05 Aug 05 - 01:54 PM

Since I went off topic anyway, let me continue by responding to
Le Scaramouche's comment that "Actualy, Arab names aren't easy to pronounce by Americans".

I agree that we Americans have our own way of pronouncing different names from English and other languages. And I'll go further and say that African Americans have pronunciation traditions that often are different than those of European Americans.

For example, I believe that Americans routinely place the accent on the 2nd to the last syllable of a name. However, there's a difference in how we pronounce the 'a' vowel..as in the name "Tanya"

White Americans- TAN [rhymes with fan] yah

Black Americans- TAHN-yah

****

That "a"="ah" pronunciation by African American is used throughout our vocal music and rhymes. For example, there's a common starting chant for children that goes like this

a one
and a two
and you know what to do

-snip-

In this rhyme "a" is pronounced 'ah' and not like the 'a' in 'say'.

I just thought you might want to know more about this off topic info...


Azizi {ah-ZEE-zee}


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Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 05 Aug 05 - 02:09 PM

Well I speak a Semitic language you see so none of this is new. Anyway, Arabic is a beast to pronounce properly.


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Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Aug 05 - 02:15 PM

harpgirl - You said,

"Why have religion in the first place? It's only ever caused death and destruction the world over."

You might say exactly the same thing about money.


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Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: s6k
Date: 05 Aug 05 - 09:22 PM

yes, people are saying kill muslims.... you hear these idiot people now and again, either on TV or down the pub, saying, get rid of muslims, kill muslims etc, theyre a bunch of terrorists, bunch of suicide bombers, etc.

these people are arse holes and dim-wits


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Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 06 Aug 05 - 03:49 AM

saying, get rid of muslims, kill muslims etc, theyre a bunch of terrorists, bunch of suicide bombers, etc.

these people are arse holes and dim-wits

Infortunately, not everyone can be as enlightened as yourself, however, i have never heard anyone talk about killing Muslims, but on the canvassing doorstep, i DO hear a lot of people saying it is time to stop immigration, and that multi-culturalism has failed.

You might not like it, but it's a fact. Another fact, is that the bombers were Muslim, and they intepretated the Koran to suit their agenda that terror bombings and murder were justified.

It is useless to blame all Muslims, as most are hard-working decent people, but when you consider 60% of immigrants coming into the UK are Muslim, and that most of them come from Afghanistan and such places, there is clearly a danger that only a dim-wit would deny.


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Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 06 Aug 05 - 05:25 AM

I think The Rt. Hon. Sir jOhn from Kingston-upon-Hull meant the title to be silly.


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Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 06 Aug 05 - 05:35 AM

David, you quote others as saying "multiculturalism has failed". That is a nonsense statement, because multiculturalism is not an experiment; it's not something we try to see if we like it. It's a fact of life. The world is multicultural; Europe is multicultural; Britain is multicultural, since the Anglos and Saxons and Normans.

It's how it is. And in the modern age, with communications and transport so easy, cross-border movement is high. Sure, when large numbers of people move around, you get some bad ones amongst them too. And you get some brilliant ones; and many hardworking ones. You don't penalise the 999 good ones to save yourself from the one bad one. You have to be more intelligent than that.

Certainly more intelligent than using statements like "Afghanistan and such places". Need I remind you that one of the people killed in the recent London bombings was a young Afghani professional who had fled his home country to avoid the Taliban? Sweeping statements are not arguments for your cause.

Must try harder.


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Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 06 Aug 05 - 05:41 AM

David, you quote others as saying "multiculturalism has failed". That is a nonsense statement, because multiculturalism is not an experiment; it's not something we try to see if we like it. It's a fact of life. The world is multicultural; Europe is multicultural; Britain is multicultural, since the Anglos and Saxons and Normans.

Multi-culturalism has failed, the reason i say this is because the immigration, if it can be called that, that you refer to were of european origin, normans, vikings, saxons, etc, were all of same heritage, identity, culture etc. We are one and the same people.

But when two completely distinct cultures try to merge, all that results is disharmony. No multi-cultural state has ever survived, and historically only mono-cultural states have been stable.


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Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 06 Aug 05 - 06:13 AM

Only monocultural states have been stable? What - Hitler's Germany? Mao's China? Shevardnadze's Georgia? Mugabe's Zimbabwe (or Smith's Rodesia before that)? Or the Greece of the Colonels' Junta, with their "Greece for Christian Greeks" slogan in the 1960s?

America, and Australia, and Britain, and my own home country, and Spain, and Italy, and the new South Africa and even France and the Netherlands, and even Belgium with its "Flams Blok" are all multicultural. And they're doing OK - nobody is completely free of problems, not all the time; and their tolerance can be taken advantage of; but as societies they work.

You really must find some new arguments, David - the old ones are frayed at the edge by now.


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Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,DB
Date: 06 Aug 05 - 07:13 AM

Surely it is ignorance that is dangerous? An ignorant mind is like a blank canvas upon which anything can be written.
There is, surely, in this 'information rich' age, no excuse for ignorance. I feel that, far too often, ignorance is wilful. In Western culture, at least, far too many people see education as being 'uncool'and willingly embrace ignorance. In Western, and many other cultures, I suspect, some religious leaders and political idealogues rely on the ignorance of others in order to sustain their power bases.
Those who rely on ignorance in order to sustain their power and/or wealth are like parasites on the human race. I believe that it is the political and moral duty of everyone on the planet to educate themselves and others so that we can eliminate these evil leeches forever.


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Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 06 Aug 05 - 10:47 AM

Only an idiot would say that because they are Europeans they share the same identity or heritage.


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Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 06 Aug 05 - 10:57 AM

Only an idiot would say they didn't share the same heritage and idendity


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Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 06 Aug 05 - 11:17 AM

Oh yes, an East-Anglian fisher shared the same identity as a Flemish weaver, Breton smuggler, Cumbrian reiver, German mercenary, Sephardi merchant, Welsh shepherd, Hebridean pirate, whatnot.


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Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 06 Aug 05 - 12:04 PM

Oh dear, oh dear. lol.

Please get an education then come back thank you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: dianavan
Date: 06 Aug 05 - 12:32 PM

David - Educate yourself! Take a course in cultural anthropology.

Do you really think the Celts and the Romans had a common culture?

Just because people are from the same continent, doesn't mean they share the same customs and beliefs. They did not have the same heritage and identity (whatever that means).

You'll have to think of a better argument than that. You just come across as ignorant.


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Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 06 Aug 05 - 12:45 PM

What of all the attacks against foreigners, notably the Flemish weavers and Hanseatic merchants?


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Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 06 Aug 05 - 02:50 PM

France, BTW is an example of a multi-cultural state even before the North Africans.


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Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 06 Aug 05 - 03:01 PM

I told him so 8 posts back, Scaramouche. His response was to call others idiots and uneducated for believing that Europeans have a mix of cultures. Let's face it, he can't very well afford to say "yes, folks, you're right, multiculturalism works, I'll just pop back into the BNP office and rewrite the propaganda"...

Conversion of DH is not what we're after, therefore; it will never happen. I don't know about you, I do it for the fun of seeing how far logic and fact can be twisted to support the BNP positions. It's not proper humour, I know. But it's fun.


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Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: dianavan
Date: 06 Aug 05 - 03:11 PM

Europeans do not share the same heritage and identity.

Hundreds of examples prove you are wrong.

You are the idiot, David.


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Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 06 Aug 05 - 04:21 PM

Oh, I just like history, that's all.


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