BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,Hannam
Date: 15 Sep 05 - 02:20 PM

very good. typify anti-muslim feeling as murderous, and bingo, job done.

Well done, you are a very good troll!

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,Ahmed Johnson
Date: 15 Sep 05 - 01:49 PM

Kill all dirty arabs, muslims and related crap.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: CarolC
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 03:52 PM

At least I'm willing to acknowlege my mistakes, Wolfgang.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 03:50 PM

BTW, you protest your love of folk music, how come you never post anything about it?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 03:46 PM

No, Humbug, it's rather the way you treat people when your own ignorance is revealed. You were the one that failed to comprehend, had nothing to do with HTML. What a grotesque mouthpiece the BNP employ.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: DavidHannam
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 03:40 PM

yes thats right, scarmouth, i call you dummy, and all is revealed. Your like a modern day nostradameus aren't you?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 03:38 PM

No, but you are the one showing your true colours.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 03:28 PM

I am not doing this for the sport of it, Wolfgang, even though that may be your motive more often than not. (Carol)

Making assumptions again? Nonsense. I just hate it when I see that a person from the far far right looks good in a discussion because someone else plays the fool involuntarily and thus makes ripostes too easy.

BTW, Carol, I just today read your remarks about my English in the 'congratulations to the Palestinians' thread. You're truly a fine teacher. Read that nonsense you have posted here again with care:

Were you charged with having been caught in the process of distributing those leaflets, David?

You try to press two different thoughts in one sentence and the result is complete nonsense.

Having you on one side of a debate even weakens a good case.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: DavidHannam
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 03:19 PM

Not my fault you can't grasp the basics of HTML

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 03:16 PM

A post calling me a dummy because I don't know HTML from a man that can't recognise irony or exaggeration, that may be the face of some in Mudcat or it might be that of the BNP.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: DavidHannam
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 03:13 PM

so this is the face of mudcat?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 03:13 PM

I'm sure that 100 posts later or so, there will be a PM from David Humbug claiming never to have used personal insults.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: CarolC
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 03:09 PM

We'll see, David.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 03:08 PM

So this is the face of the BNP, eh, Humbug?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: DavidHannam
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 03:06 PM

then learn dummy.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 03:02 PM

CAPS was because I don't know HTML so italics are out. If you think that's the exaggeration, you are thicker than I thought. or clutching at straws.
The PM, Humbug, smacks of desperation because you are coming to me, when I have nothing to do with it.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: DavidHannam
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 02:52 PM

Well i suppose i better.

Well CarolC, perhaps we should call a day on this heated argument/debate, etc.

I hope someone takes up your offer to locate the police files relating to my conviction/arrest when i was 17. As i said, if not for your own peace of mind.

Shall we agree to end this? Or shall we spin it out some more? It is time consuming after all, and i bet we both have a lot of work on.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: DavidHannam
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 02:48 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche - PM
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 02:02 PM

Including at people unconnected with it. He may have received THOUSANDS of letters about your comical post, but bet they don't hold a candle to the one he sent me. Smacks of desperation.

You mean this one below? Yeah scarmouth, it really smacks of desperation :/


Message:
The Muslim thread is a farce. I answered FOUR times and Carol insists i haven't answered.

I know you both were pushing me for an answer, and i answered 4 times, but this is ridiculous! It's just weird.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: DavidHannam
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 02:46 PM

Seems to me you don't know, or haven't mastered the technique of 'exaggeration' in the written form!

Making words BIGGER doesn't make it exaggeration, it just makes them bigger, or at least it means to really emphasize a point.

if i was your teacher, i would say, TRY HARDER!

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 02:42 PM

Humbug, it's hilarious when you fail to recognise EXAGGERATION. It can be used as a form of irony or emphasis a point. Cracks me up the way you are so literal about everything, almost like an eight year old.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 02:40 PM

Well i hope someone takes up your call to look and locate them, if not just for your own peace of mind eh:-)

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: CarolC
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 02:36 PM

I'd like to know what the police reports have to say, David.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 02:22 PM

THOUSANDS? Where did i say that? Try to read my posts more clearly scarmouth.

Opportunity to be truthful eh carol? Give it up. I answered your questions time and time again, and then you said you still would not believe me as you said!

SO how are YOU giving me the opportunity to tell the truth?

Desperation scarmouth? There is only one desperate poster on here. And she continues to make a fool of herself.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 02:02 PM

Including at people unconnected with it. He may have received THOUSANDS of letters about your comical post, but bet they don't hold a candle to the one he sent me. Smacks of desperation.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: CarolC
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 01:58 PM

I am trying to give you an opportunity to be truthful and forthcoming. Instead of doing that, all you are doing is flinging insults.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 01:45 PM

So if indeed you don't have all the facts, therefore your tendency is to disbelieve everything i say!!!!!!!!! WHy bother with the questions in the first place!!!!!!!!!!!!! ?????????????????

Carol why do you continue to make a fool of yourself. I'll honestly say, i have never been particularly HUGELY popular on here, except for a few, but i have had more PM's in the last day or so pointing out your comical posts than ever before. Albeit one still told me i was a W****R. lol

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 01:40 PM

LMAO

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: CarolC
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 01:32 PM

Anyone in or near Hull willing to go check out the contents of the police reports of this case and see what they say?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 01:07 PM

You have already said no matter what i say you are inclined to disbelieve me, so really carol there is no point.

I was charged with inciting racial hatred, as for what the police reports say, your guess is as good as mine. I can't remember what i ate yesterday, never mind what a report said 5 years ago.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: CarolC
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 12:40 PM

"I want to know specifically what he was charged with and what the police reports have to say about it."

Those are the questions I would like to see answered. I am not doing this for the sport of it, Wolfgang, even though that may be your motive more often than not. I actually would like to know the truth of this situation, and I don't really trust David to give it to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 11:23 AM

Sorry you're all wrong; it was nowt to do with realign and all that god stuff
Ill tell you what happened in London
Four Leeds lads decided to go on the lash down there for the weekend by train. As usual the train was late and the catering car was knackered. So when they got off the train at kings cross they decided to go across the road to the chip shop, for fish, chips a carton of curry and because they were really hungry a spring roll.
This then cost them 7 quid each. The shock of fish and chips drove them to the pub next door, and they were then stung for a further £3.20 per pint (piss).
I can tell you after working in that hole for 8 months or so, shop fitting banks, beauty salons e.c.t.I was suicidal as well

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 10:26 AM

Scaramouche, David Humbug. A fine English novel, but alas, written by evil foreigner. Tsk tsk.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,Dave Hannam
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 07:52 AM

I shall tell you what happened wolfgang, she asked the question, backed by scarmouth, and i fell silent, or so they intepretated it, in fact i was working away.

I came back apologized, and started to answer the question again and again.

Actually wolfgang, i don't rate my debating skills either. I tell the truth as i see it, but when it comes to convincing others, i agree, i lack that ability.

So carol, how about an apology for not reading my posts correctly and prolonging the death of this debate?? I won't hold my breath.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 07:49 AM

No.
Again, No.


ubject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: CarolC - PM
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 03:34 PM

David, do you deny that you were caught by the police while in the process of distributing those leaflets yourself?

Yes.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 07:09 AM

Yes, you are correct, Wolfgang. I did ask that question and it was answered. (Carol)

It is worse than that, I was wrong. I couldn't believe you had lost track of your own questions and were repeatedly not reading DH's posts carefully. I rather thought it had something to do with the exact wording (like for instance "caught by the police while in the process of distributing" when, perhaps, DH was observed distributing and caught later) and DH was evasive and I just didn't get it.

Of course, DH is evasive and carefully considers what he answers to or not and which way he answers. I regret that the reaction (not only of Carol) to him and the silly procession of "constantly changing" questions makes him look better in this debate than he deserves. Ignoring him would have been better in my eyes than what I have read.

But perhaps his debating skills are not as good as they sometimes look in this particular context, otherwise he could have truthfully answered with a resounding "No" to Carol's question

Were you charged with having been caught in the process of distributing those leaflets, David?

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 06:55 AM

No, LOL is a bit of a dig at you. Thought pretty self-explanatory.
BTW, pretty sure you happen to be older.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,Dave Hannam
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 06:41 AM

showing your age there scarmouth, lol is not considered derogatory.

I shan't apologize for my age however! lololoolololololololol

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 06:26 AM

First time? Almost don't know what example to start with. Shall we LOL LOL LOL together?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: zelger
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 06:16 AM

carol you are an idiot.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,Dave Hannam
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 06:11 AM

Guest, this is the first occasion i have become 'nana' towards another fellow mudcatter. The reason for this is the utter comical nature of carols refusal, or blindess, intended or not?? to see my answers to her questions.

You can clearly see i have answered her questions, again and again and again and even again!!!!!!!!!! But still she insists i haven't.

Actually i didn't join to enhance debating skills, but joined because one the BNP was the topic of discussion at one point, so i thought interesting. Other reason is i love folk music.

The problem i have here, is i answer your questions too, and carole will insist i didn't answer them at all. Again and again i have said i didn't distribute them, but to no avail.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 04:47 AM

Dave I would hazard a wild guess that one of the reasons you use this site, is to enhance your debating skills. All good for the cause eh?

You keep falling at the hurdle by trying to undermine your fellow debater in a rather na na na na na way. Just a pointer.

So, why were you charged with distribution if you 'weren't caught' distributing the racist literature?

I know you have said you 'weren't caught,' but that isn't the same as not having distributed them is it. Have you ever distributed those leaflets?

I know it's early to be picky but a definitive answer would let us move on with the discussion.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,Dave Hannam
Date: 06 Sep 05 - 03:40 AM

Care to put cut and paste those questions again?

I will humour you here, as you are in this thread becoming more confused and comical by the post.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Sep 05 - 04:39 PM

Yes, you are correct, Wolfgang. I did ask that question and it was answered.

The ones that haven't been answered are the ones I would like to see an answer to.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Sep 05 - 03:45 PM

Carol. I think DH has answered your question.

He was convicted for inciting racial hatred and according to the BBC site he got:

"Three months custody for his part in the production and distribution of a racist and anti-Semitic leaflet during the 1999 European election campaign."

I presume the BBC is accurate in saying the "operation" was one of production and distribution but none of the above means he has to have taken part in any of the distribution.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 05 Sep 05 - 03:33 PM

What puzzles me most at this moment how an old post of mine can get reposted by my computer after I have written a new post in between.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,Dave Hannam
Date: 05 Sep 05 - 03:20 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: CarolC - PM
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 03:34 PM

David, do you deny that you were caught by the police while in the process of distributing those leaflets yourself?

Yes.

Well i don't know how i could have answered any clearer wolgang.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 05 Sep 05 - 03:15 PM

David, do you deny that you were caught by the police while in the process of distributing those leaflets yourself? (Carol)

You asked me whether or not i was caught distributing, naturally i answered no. (DH)

I did not ask this question, and you did not answer it. (Carol)

Tell me what for you makes the difference here, Carol, so I can better follow the discussion.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 05 Sep 05 - 03:06 PM

I don't mean the 'charged' questions (I do understand these), I mean the 'caught' questions.

Wolfgang (with computer hicups)

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 05 Sep 05 - 03:04 PM

David, do you deny that you were caught by the police while in the process of distributing those leaflets yourself? (Carol)

You asked me whether or not i was caught distributing, naturally i answered no. (DH)

I did not ask this question, and you did not answer it. (Carol)

Tell me what for you makes the difference here, Carol, so I can better follow the discussion.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 05 Sep 05 - 02:56 PM

David, do you deny that you were caught by the police while in the process of distributing those leaflets yourself? (Carol)

You asked me whether or not i was caught distributing, naturally i answered no. (DH)

I did not ask this question, and you did not answer it. (Carol)

Tell me what for you makes the difference here, Carol, so I can better follow the discussion.

Wolfgang