BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,Dave Hannam
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 05:24 PM

Le Scaramouche , get guest to answer my question and i will answer carols question, though i'm not sure what it is, so if you want to look and post it for me please do.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 05:22 PM

Aha, at least one honest soul here.

dianavan, do you think BNP members should lose their jobs for holding BNP membership?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: dianavan
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 04:22 PM

"Do you think Trade Unions should expel BNP members from their ranks?"

Yes!

Absolutely.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 04:01 PM

But we are also waiting for you to reply to Carol.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 02:29 PM

Well i waited and waited, and i know three others who waited to see your response Guest to your ridiculous statement. But alas...nothing. lol.

I will presume you are making a fool of yourself somewhere else...? Perhaps the telling the tesco checkout girl that although you will buy their bananas, you don't want another holocaust.

And so ends that chapter.





How is the issue of BNP members expelled from TU's, tied in with your belief that the holocaust should never happen again? Are you saying Jewish people who were gassed is related in some way to BNP members discriminated against?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 Aug 05 - 10:48 PM

No, they are not.

But Shatner is more fun.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: DavidHannam
Date: 27 Aug 05 - 05:40 PM

How is the issue of BNP members expelled from TU's, tied in with your belief that the holocaust should never happen again? Are you saying Jewish people who were gassed is related in some way to BNP members discriminated against?

As for banishment, exodus, etc, why would a post that i made thereafter to your post relate to the above question.

I think you are making a fool of yourself, and you seem to be struggling GUEST.






Do you think Trade Unions should expel BNP members from their ranks?

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Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 04:48 AM

No, but I think the Holocaust should never be allowed to happen again.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Aug 05 - 05:40 PM

Pass the tea and empathy, David

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Aug 05 - 05:34 PM

Seems that you and the Jewish people have something in common then, David.
Victimisation, banishment, removal, exodus (lovely word, don't you think..?)

It's written in black & White, David.
Those are your favourite colours for crying out loud

How come you can't see the connection?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: DavidHannam
Date: 27 Aug 05 - 05:30 PM

Still not able to answer for the rather silly point you made...?

Erm..how do you tie in the holocaust, (presumaby i think you mean the jewish holocaust) with you disagreeing with BNP members expelled from TU?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: CarolC
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 03:34 PM

David, do you deny that you were caught by the police while in the process of distributing those leaflets yourself?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 07:08 AM

That's one man's opinion. Mind you, plenty of Jews in the 1930s that thought the troubles were only a passing fad.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 06:23 AM

Oh, just the banish and remove bit, really

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 06:16 AM

Erm..how do you tie in the holocaust, (presumaby i think you mean the jewish holocaust) with you disagreeing with BNP members expelled from TU?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 06:15 AM

Certainly, expelled from the TU because they were members of the BNP! An enforced exodus from the TU due to their membership of the BNP! Expel, to banish, etc, to remove, to instruct a persons removal.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 06:14 AM

I'm giving you hints, David.

Go on. Define expel

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 06:11 AM

Can you not define 'expel'?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 05:48 AM

Oh my god, look, are you going to answer the below question or not?

Erm..how do you tie in the holocaust, (presumaby i think you mean the jewish holocaust) with you disagreeing with BNP members expelled from TU?


R.e My conviction, i have explained this perhaps a dozen times before. Myself accused of anti-semitism, is well, laughable, for reasons personal, and that disgusting leaflet was put out in my name when i was 17 years old. A huge mistake on my part trusting a complete crackpot. Of course people don't make mistakes when they are 17 do they? To sum up, as you seem to know so much about the case, as your source is the ever-truthful BBC, i will quote the judge presiding over the case in his summing up:

"i do not believe that you have a single racist bone in your body". See Transcript Court File Hull.

Now, can you answer the question, or are you unable?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 05:42 AM

"Like everything, not really no. As i have said before, as you are only one in a long line of people on here that have posted that, to use the BBC as a source is well slightly niave."

What does this answer mean, where you guilty or not, are you saying you did 3 months for not commiting a crime?

It may be you who is "slightly niave" if you think people believe you if you give answers as above "Like everything, not really no."

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 05:41 AM

So one last time.

Erm..how do you tie in the holocaust, (presumaby i think you mean the jewish holocaust) with you disagreeing with BNP members expelled from TU?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 05:29 AM

Try using the word 'expelled' in a broader context, David.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 05:26 AM

Holocaust, with a capital H, means the Jewish one(s).

No i meant i didn't know which holocaust he was reffering to, the atomic holocaust, the Gulag Holocaust, the Jewish Holocaust. Either way, i can't see how he ties that in with BNP members getting expelled from TU?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 05:24 AM

Erm..how do you tie in the holocaust, (presumaby i think you mean the jewish holocaust) with you disagreeing with BNP members expelled from TU?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 05:12 AM

Holocaust, with a capital H, means the Jewish one(s).

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 05:09 AM

Isn't 'expelling' the operative word?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 05:03 AM

Erm..how do you tie in the holocaust, (presumaby i think you mean the jewish holocaust) with you disagreeing with BNP members expelled from TU?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 04:48 AM

No, but I think the Holocaust should never be allowed to happen again.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 04:42 AM

Like everything, not really no. As i have said before, as you are only one in a long line of people on here that have posted that, to use the BBC as a source is well slightly niave.


Do you think Trade Unions should expel BNP members from their ranks?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 04:37 AM

Is this not accurate, then, David?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 04:23 AM

Agree. If someone actually committs an offence, then that is wholly different from someone holding opinions which the law or the state may consider illegal.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 04:01 AM

I suspose the question could also be what constitutes offence. It is not only in the form of 'thought.' And that is where it becomes a criminal matter.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 02:57 AM

Well i think that is very fair of you as absolutely NO BNP members who have been expelled from their Trade Unions have ever been involved in inciting racial hatred.

I suppose the question is what is it that consitutes inciting racial hatred. For instance the leaflet that was put out in my name by a complete nutter certainly could be considered as trying to incite hatred, on the other hand, many people are imprisoned for using strongly termed language opposing multi-culturalism.

I personally do not believe in thought-crimes. I believe if someone has an opinion, then it is their right. I believe that if somebody offends me, that is their right, as it is my right to offend them back or do whatever i want or disregard them. I do not believe however that 'offending' people should be a criminal offence.

Away slightly from the thread topic, humans have offended each other since the dawn of man, and will always continue to do so, because that is human behaviour. To begin to imprison people for offending is silly and absurd.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,bob
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 06:50 PM

I wouldn't single out BNP members. I have issues about anyone actively inciting racial hatred being represented by a Trade Union.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 05:16 PM

Aha. I see.

Well some BNP members have suffered from discrimination by their employees, and some have even lost their jobs and income for their polical beliefs.

I personally do not believe anyone should be persecuted for their political beliefs.

I myself work for the BNP.

I used to work for a market research company in Hull on the telephones, it was very dull, they knew my political beliefs. I then worked for Tesco's, and i stood for election whilst working for them, and they respected my beliefs too. I have never had any problems as such, but others have not been so lucky. I now work for the BNP.

What do you think? Do you think BNP members should lose their jobs for their political beliefs? I ask this as a genuine question.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,bob
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 04:36 PM

Because I wondered who would employ you knowing your political allegiances.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 12:35 PM

Why?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,bob
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 09:41 AM

David what's your day job?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 06:27 AM

Your source the BBC? Its really difficult to take you seriously GUEST. You use the BBC as a source of what...accurate info?

You are i think dumb perhaps?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 06:09 AM

Source as requested

"Others present included David Hannam, the BNP organiser for Hull. In 2000 he was convicted of producing and distributing an anti-Semitic BNP leaflet during the 1999 European Election."

BBC on BNP

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 05:08 AM

Didn't the Stephen Lawrence murder take place years ago?
Next time before you start saying they don't have any pages check it.

The wording of the Laws ought to have set off your alarm bells. Like I said, they are something that might seem alright, but the wording worries me.

Does your party plan to favour what you class as native Britons over minorities?

The Stephen Lawrence murder did indeed happen almost ten years ago. Also years gone by was the Murder of Gavin Hopley. Try also doing a news search on poor Gavin, very little appears.

Also, if you look at the respective dates of the Stephen Lawrence news hits, you will see that within a week there was thousands of news reports, and righfully so, and so should the white victims of racist murders be granted the same urgency, investigation and appeal. But that is not the case.

What a ridiculous question, no, we do not intend to favour native Briton's over minorities.We will end positive discrimination, in favour of best man for the job gets the job, regardless of his colour or creed, etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 05:06 AM

From you.

Erm...no.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 05:03 AM

Its really difficult to take you seriously Hannam

Your source the BBC? Its really difficult to take you seriously GUEST.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,bob
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 02:24 PM

David what is your day job?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 02:13 PM

From you.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 02:03 PM

"Hull BNP organiser David Hannam, imprisoned for three months in 2000 for distributing leaflets likely to incite racial hatred"

Its really difficult to take you seriously Hannam

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 01:41 PM

erm...lol. you got that from erm...where...?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 01:24 PM

Then how come you make such a FUSS about being different?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: DavidHannam
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 07:41 AM

Didn't the Stephen Lawrence murder take place years ago?
Next time before you start saying they don't have any pages check it.

The wording of the Laws ought to have set off your alarm bells. Like I said, they are something that might seem alright, but the wording worries me.

Does your party plan to favour what you class as native Britons over minorities?

The Stephen Lawrence murder did indeed happen almost ten years ago. Also years gone by was the Murder of Gavin Hopley. Try also doing a news search on poor Gavin, very little appears.

Also, if you look at the respective dates of the Stephen Lawrence news hits, you will see that within a week there was thousands of news reports, and righfully so, and so should the white victims of racist murders be granted the same urgency, investigation and appeal. But that is not the case.

What a ridiculous question, no, we do not intend to favour native Briton's over minorities.We will end positive discrimination, in favour of best man for the job gets the job, regardless of his colour or creed, etc.

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 15 Aug 05 - 04:13 AM

Didn't the Stephen Lawrence murder take place years ago?
Next time before you start saying they don't have any pages check it.

The wording of the Laws ought to have set off your alarm bells. Like I said, they are something that might seem alright, but the wording worries me.

Does your party plan to favour what you class as native Britons over minorities?

Subject: RE: BS: Are Muslims Rubbish?
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 13 Aug 05 - 02:05 PM

On BBC News I found 3 page of search results for Kriss Donald. Much less than Lawrence, admittedly, but it's a far cry from NONE.

Well it is THREE from NONE!. Why do you think the brutal murder or Stephen Lawrence generates more media interest than the torturous murder of Kriss Donald?

What still worries me is as of present, implies there'll be a change.
Anyway, you might be interested to learn that you agreed with the Nuremberg Laws.

Aha, i see your point. No i meant that the quote would not fit in present day Britain as it would not be inclusive of ethnics in the UK.

WHich one did you agree and disagree with most?