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BS: What Constitutes a 'Super Model'?

Uncle_DaveO 04 Aug 05 - 08:24 PM
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Subject: BS: What Constitutes a 'Super Model'?
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 04 Aug 05 - 08:24 PM

I keep seeing the pictures of painfully skinny (but sometimes bosomy) young ladies on the web, whose names I've never heard before, and whose sole claim to fame seems, according to the captions, is being a "super model". They don't seem any prettier than thousands of other young ladies, and sometimes not nearly as pretty.

What constitutes a "super model", as opposed to being a model? Who decides who is one? What does a "super model" do that an ordinary, run-of-the-mill model doesn't--besides get her picture splatted up around everywhere with that appellation?

Does anyone have any idea?

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: BS: What Constitutes a 'Super Model'?
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 04 Aug 05 - 08:51 PM

The 1957 Chevrolet Belair was a super model.


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Subject: RE: BS: What Constitutes a 'Super Model'?
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Aug 05 - 08:51 PM

Well, DaveO, I don't have a clue but I saw this thread sinkin' so I figgured I'd at least try to get it going...

As fir my definition? Any woman half a foxy as my wife, the P-Vine, is in the super model category....

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: What Constitutes a 'Super Model'?
From: bobad
Date: 04 Aug 05 - 09:30 PM

Just checked out the profiles and photo links and didn't see the beautiful P-Vine, guess we'll just have to take yer word on it.


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Subject: RE: BS: What Constitutes a 'Super Model'?
From: number 6
Date: 04 Aug 05 - 09:34 PM

hype .... lots and lots of hype.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: What Constitutes a 'Super Model'?
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 04 Aug 05 - 09:44 PM

A super model is one who wears red, white, and blue spandex tights, has a brightly colored cape and fights for truth, justice and the American way. Ooops, that's Superman.


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Subject: RE: BS: What Constitutes a 'Super Model'?
From: number 6
Date: 04 Aug 05 - 09:45 PM

Are ya sure it isn't super dog ??

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: What Constitutes a 'Super Model'?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 04 Aug 05 - 10:19 PM

A head full of ideas and a belly full of spunk...

And there's no white on Supermans outfit...


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Subject: RE: BS: What Constitutes a 'Super Model'?
From: number 6
Date: 04 Aug 05 - 10:44 PM

but superdog was a white dog, and he did have a red cape with the supeman symbol on it .... if I recall.

SiX


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Subject: RE: BS: What Constitutes a 'Super Model'?
From: bobad
Date: 04 Aug 05 - 10:50 PM

$$$$$


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Subject: RE: BS: What Constitutes a 'Super Model'?
From: GUEST,Chic
Date: 05 Aug 05 - 12:00 AM

and when did a grass become a supergrass?


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Subject: RE: BS: What Constitutes a 'Super Model'?
From: Amergin
Date: 05 Aug 05 - 12:10 AM

a woman with no tits and a bony ass....who has a nasty habit of throwing up what she eats...


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Subject: RE: BS: What Constitutes a 'Super Model'?
From: number 6
Date: 05 Aug 05 - 12:11 AM

my guess is grass became "super" with the improved development in the genetic altering of plants.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: What Constitutes a 'Super Model'?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 05 Aug 05 - 06:24 AM

Definition, supermodel = thing slag os slapper.

eric


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Subject: RE: BS: What Constitutes a 'Super Model'?
From: GUEST,catsphiddle@work
Date: 05 Aug 05 - 07:04 AM

Bobert...what constitutes for foxy?


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Subject: RE: BS: What Constitutes a 'Super Model'?
From: GUEST,daylia
Date: 05 Aug 05 - 08:36 AM

Foxy.

Decidedly unFoxy. Hope this helps a bit.

Could never figure out why they look so sullen, so sour-faced, even while making megabucks!

Tummy-aches, maybe?


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Subject: RE: BS: What Constitutes a 'Super Model'?
From: gnu
Date: 05 Aug 05 - 03:51 PM

Send em up ta Kent County. A few ales and a scoff a spuds and onions and gravy over a big juicy moose steak'll fill em out a bit. I mean, c'mon, how's a skrawny thing like that gonna split wood fer the stove anyway?


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Subject: RE: BS: What Constitutes a 'Super Model'?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Aug 05 - 04:13 PM

bobad has it right. It is the salary level that determines a "supermodel".


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Subject: RE: BS: What Constitutes a 'Super Model'?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 05 Aug 05 - 04:19 PM

Breast measurement (in centimetres) greater than IQ


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Subject: RE: BS: What Constitutes a 'Super Model'?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 05 Aug 05 - 04:25 PM

Which is why Winona is not a supermodel. She's too smart.


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Subject: RE: BS: What Constitutes a 'Super Model'?
From: Peace
Date: 05 Aug 05 - 08:28 PM

This one is seven hundred and forty-seven feet long.


I am guessing at that figure, BTW.


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Subject: RE: BS: What Constitutes a 'Super Model'?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 05 Aug 05 - 08:55 PM

The American Answer:
Big Tits?

~~~~~~~~~
"Could never figure out why they look so sullen, so sour-faced, even while making megabucks!"

Faking orgasamic looks and postures... supposed to be sexy...
~~~~~~~~~~

The skinny waif like small breasted look:

The internationsl top fashion designers responsible for this are gay, and have obessional fixations on figures of young boys. :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: What Constitutes a 'Super Model'?
From: Cluin
Date: 05 Aug 05 - 11:52 PM

You're all just jealous.
I met Helena Christensen and she's a very nice, intelligent girl.



And I'd sleep with her again.










Except, you know, thirteen is an unlucky number.


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Subject: RE: BS: What Constitutes a 'Super Model'?
From: number 6
Date: 05 Aug 05 - 11:56 PM

Me too !!

.... but then on second thoughts ... she wasn't really that nice.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: What Constitutes a 'Super Model'?
From: Peace
Date: 06 Aug 05 - 12:09 AM

"And I'd sleep with her again."

Someday, we gonna have to have a talk, son. It ain't about sleep.


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Subject: RE: BS: What Constitutes a 'Super Model'?
From: GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River
Date: 06 Aug 05 - 12:18 AM

I figger...ya got first of all a girl who is starvin' to death. She's that thin, eh? It's sad, man. She's got cheekbones ya could use to shave with. Just about no bazongas at all in most cases. Not much hips neither. But she has really expenisive clothes. Ya can take her clothes and pawn them for big bucks when she ain't home. she won't notice, eh? Cos she has 800 paris of shoes and 700 dresses. A few go missing, she don't care.

You sell a few hundred bucks wortha stuff, and take out a REAL girl! ONe with huge bazongas. Way to go, eh?

- BDiBR


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Subject: RE: BS: What Constitutes a 'Super Model'?
From: dianavan
Date: 06 Aug 05 - 02:45 AM

Its not just about the face.

Its about the clothes that hang from a very expensive rack.

...and long legs

...and a way a walkin'


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Subject: RE: BS: What Constitutes a 'Super Model'?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 06 Aug 05 - 07:22 AM

... which is taught to them specially...

... almost porn that is...


And what about those children under 8 pushed by their parents...


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Subject: RE: BS: What Constitutes a 'Super Model'?
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 06 Aug 05 - 10:03 AM

Someone becomes a supermodel when her agent and public relations people think they can get away with using the term. $$$
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I happened to be looking at People magazine the other day. Got a look at the glamorous starlets. Those in evening wear looked like they had got drenched and had gone to the premier anyway. Those in casual wear looked like mental patients, dressed in worn-out garments in crazy combinations.

Why is it that American middle-class youth are probably the most spent-upon and pushed-forward in the world, yet the boys dress like neglected children (oversize, droopy shirts and slacks) and the girls dress like wandering mental patients?

Before everybody jumps on me, I don't mean all of them! I mean the ones that are held up as examples of what's "in"

It's not just Americans, either. In Reykjavik the DH and I passed the actual store where you can get your mental-patient ensemble. Apparently, there are buyers who don't trust themselves to get it wrong, just as there are buyers who don't trust themselves to get it right.

FYI: generous breasts and thin bodies do not occur together naturally.


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Subject: RE: BS: What Constitutes a 'Super Model'?
From: GUEST,Cluin
Date: 06 Aug 05 - 12:38 PM

Well, they do quite often, but it only lasts a few months. And before those months are up, they are what's called in some circles, "jailbait".

So, guess what they are selling? Youth.

Guess what the price is? Most of us will never know, thankfully.






Thinking for yourself always works best, kids.


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Subject: RE: BS: What Constitutes a 'Super Model'?
From: dianavan
Date: 06 Aug 05 - 01:26 PM

"And what about those children under 8 pushed by their parents... "

I don't know of any super models who are eight years old!

Make no mistake. Modelling is just a job in the fashion industry. Like any job, some employees are more successful than others.


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Subject: RE: BS: What Constitutes a 'Super Model'?
From: Amos
Date: 06 Aug 05 - 01:46 PM

A super model is one which unarguably explains ALL previously observed phenomena in a direct simple way, mathematically flawless, and ALSO predicts phenomenon not previously looked for which when looked for will be found to exist.

We have very few of those. Even Newton's heroic model went to hell when we went below the macro-scale of things.

An alternative definition would be a model which defines how models are or should be made -- perhaps "meta-model" is a better term .

A


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Subject: RE: BS: What Constitutes a 'Super Model'?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 06 Aug 05 - 01:58 PM

I had the same first thought that Bee-dubya-ell had:
    My ideal "super model" is a 1957 Chevy Bel Air.

      After that, I thought of the women in the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issues, who generally aren't as skinny and haute couture as she "supermodels" in the fashion magazines.
      There are questions and disagreement about the women models - but I think everyone can agree about the '57 Chevy.
      -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: What Constitutes a 'Super Model'?
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 06 Aug 05 - 11:02 PM

"I want to sleep with her again."

"You slept with HER?"

"No, but I wanted to, and I want to again."


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Subject: RE: BS: What Constitutes a 'Super Model'?
From: number 6
Date: 06 Aug 05 - 11:17 PM

I still think it's hype ... just lotsa, lotsa hype. The same machinery that goes into making a number 1 on the charts pop hit.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: What Constitutes a 'Super Model'?
From: dianavan
Date: 06 Aug 05 - 11:56 PM

It is hype. Its advertising for the fashion industry.

Some people think that fashion is an art form.

Models advertise the fashions that are created by designers.

Music is only one form of art.

Anyone who thinks that modelling is a life of glamour should follow a model around for a week. A model has a gruelling schedule and has to put up with some pretty wierd people. Its just another way of making money. A job.


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Subject: RE: BS: What Constitutes a 'Super Model'?
From: alanabit
Date: 07 Aug 05 - 04:43 AM

This sounds like a lot of grumpy middle aged people, who are annoyed that pretty young women are earning more attention and loot than themselves. What we find attractive and unattractive in bodies or more importantly people, will always differ from person to person.
To get back to the original question, I think it means somebody who has managed to make themselves look a certain way that many other people wish to look at them.
Personally, I dislike fashion anyway - particularly clothes which look as if they would be uncomfortable to wear and make up. However, most woman who do not over eat, do some exercise and do not poison their skin with make up and cigarettes tend to look healthy, fresh and fit anyway. (I will freely admit that I am merely talking about what I like personally). If, in addition, she is confident and feels good about herself, without arrogance, she will probably come over as attractive to me.
Becoming a super model may well be beyond the reach of most women. I do not think many aspire to it anyway. However, being attractive is not. I know many atractive women.


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Subject: RE: BS: What Constitutes a 'Super Model'?
From: number 6
Date: 07 Aug 05 - 08:54 AM

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder .... not what some 'industry' dictates to us (through hype, lostsa, lotsa hype).

sIx ... a grumpy middlaged person (humpf)


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Subject: RE: BS: What Constitutes a 'Super Model'?
From: GUEST,daylia
Date: 07 Aug 05 - 09:09 AM

This sounds like a lot of grumpy middle aged people, who are annoyed that pretty young women are earning more attention and loot than themselves.

Oh, sister! "Pretty young women"? WEll yeah, most are pretty young. But bones, paint, sullen stares, contrived waddles and super-stress wearing strange-to-absolutely-ridiculous-looking clothing that most people wouldn't be caught dead in???   

No offence, but it just doesn't do much for me.

But maybe that's because I DO know what anorexia is all about. Believe me, it's no fun. Consequently, I'm not much impressed anymore by the type of "beauty" that wipes off with a wet cloth or has starvation as a prerequisite.

Becoming a super model may well be beyond the reach of most women.

Yup, and it's a good thing too. According to some of the sites I found yesterday googling for the "Foxy" pics, the average American supermodel is 5'11" tall and weighs only 117 pounds. ??!!??

I'm 5'6", and I've learned over the years that when I let my weight drop below about 118, I do get weak and sick. Quite literally - and quickly, too. ANd that weight's a bare minimum - I feel and yes, I even look my best at around 125 - 130. For a model I'm way too "fat" - but who cares? At least you can't count my ribs from 10 feet away and my face doesn't look like a skull these days!

So, adding on the doctor-recommended 5 lbs/inch for women over 5' tall, if I were 5'11" (average 'supermodel' height) I'd need to weigh about 143 - 155 (in other words WAY over 117!) if I wanted to feel good, look good and have enough energy to get through my day.

Hmmm ... how do those poor girls manage?!?   Are they usually on drugs too, or something?


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Subject: RE: BS: What Constitutes a 'Super Model'?
From: alanabit
Date: 07 Aug 05 - 09:35 AM

Of course beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. The question was not "Should there be more supermodels?" Personally I would be very happy if the (to me) obnoxious and tawdry fashion industry vanished today. That does not make me wish to make spiteful remarks about the women who earn money out of it.
I will take your word for it that anorexia is ghastly. However - and this is also the view of many feminist and health writers - overeating and lack of exercise actually harm far more people. A whole industry is based on persuading people that it is a good idea to consume more fat, sugar and additives.
I also think it would have been a good idea to put the first sentence of my final paragraph into context with the two sentences which followed it. I am most surprised that it has given offence.


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Subject: RE: BS: What Constitutes a 'Super Model'?
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 07 Aug 05 - 09:39 AM

Good thinking and good writing, daylia. I agree.

One of the film stars I saw in People that day looked like a concentration camp victim. Knees like huge knobs projecting from legs like sticks. She looked like she needed an IV (water, sugar, a little salt) quick. The others were merely skinny.

alanabit, I get more attention and have more loot now than I ever did when I was young and pretty. I'm sure that is true for most of us.

I would not wish to be young and female in today's world. So much has been taken away from young women. Pretty clothes, hope for rewarding careers, a belief in lasting marriage. The feeling that one is treasured, is worth something.

If you don't believe me pick up a newspaper. How much do you find in it about younger women? Virtually nothing, unless they are newsworthy murder victims.

Or, to get back to this thread, unless they are glamorous sex objects with lots of capital & PR behind them.


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Subject: RE: BS: What Constitutes a 'Super Model'?
From: Homeless
Date: 07 Aug 05 - 09:57 AM

from explanation-guide.info

A supermodel is a famous and extremely highly paid fashion model. The term also implies steady access to work, uncommon in the highly volatile fashion industry. They are, almost by definition, sex symbols. The term emerged in the 1970s, though a number of models had become famous in their own right as far back as Dorian Leigh in the late 1940s.

Supermodels of today are globally famous, and parlay their celebrity for product endorsement deals and often into acting careers. Supermodels who have made the switch include Milla Jovovich, Elle Macpherson and Rebecca Romijn-Stamos.


So the prime factor seems to be fame rather than money.


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Subject: RE: BS: What Constitutes a 'Super Model'?
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 07 Aug 05 - 10:16 AM

One that's easy to assmeble and doesn't have a lot of little stoopid plastic pieces that break when you try to glue them on.

And LOTs of decals..

Especially decals.

Oh, you mean thaaaat kind of model..

Jerry


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Subject: RE: BS: What Constitutes a 'Super Model'?
From: bobad
Date: 07 Aug 05 - 10:22 AM

" So the prime factor seems to be fame rather than money"

Does not one beget the other?


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Subject: RE: BS: What Constitutes a 'Super Model'?
From: katlaughing
Date: 07 Aug 05 - 10:57 AM

One righteous BIG woman, Mo'nique is becoming quite famous, with her own show on Oxygen, and is out to change the way America looks at women and beauty.

We watched the first beauty pageant for Fabulous-And-Thick (F.A.T.) women, produced and hosted by her, last night. It was NOT your ordinary pageant. There was a lot of emotional work, makeovers, etc. as the contestants were all regular women who'd never been in the "fashion" world before. They were beautiful and proud of themselves, some for the very first time in their lives, no matter their sizes. The only complaint I had was they were all fairly tall and there are many, in real life, who are Short-and-Thick!

IMO, they were brave and beautiful and Mo'nique is outrageously outspoken, righteous, and wonderful for what she is doing for women of all sizes. She is right in the face of the trad. fashion world of no tits, no ass, no hips.

Remember when it used to be considered beautiful for a woman to have an hour-glass figure? Fercrissakes, Marilyn Monroe was a 36D and wore a size 12!! She'd be fat by fashion industry standards, today! So would most of the beautiful actresses in the old movies.

kat


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Subject: RE: BS: What Constitutes a 'Super Model'?
From: alanabit
Date: 07 Aug 05 - 11:39 AM

Which brings us back to the fact that supermodels are simply icons of fashion, which by definition is transient. The definition will change again when someone finds another way to sell the clothes/make up/other products which they are promoting.
What baffles me is the amount of anger here which is being directed at something which does not really matter very much.
Like other posters here, I find women either attractive or unattractive for a variety of reasons. Personally, as I have said before, I loathe fashion. It never was important though.


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Subject: RE: BS: What Constitutes a 'Super Model'?
From: GUEST,JTS
Date: 07 Aug 05 - 12:00 PM

I had a vague idea then I googled "supermodel definition" and found this very reasonable, complete and precise and reasonably concise definition on a labor law web site.




A supermodel is a highly paid fashion model in an elite group with a worldwide reputation. The term first gained currency by analogy with Andy Warhol's "superstars" of the 1960s, and, like "Superstardom," it has been inflated to include almost anyone who finds steady access to work, uncommon in the highly volatile fashion industry. The term emerged in the 1970s, though a number of models had become famous in their own right as far back as Dorian Leigh in the late 1940s. Probably the first model whose name and face were familiar to those outside the fashion industry was Suzy Parker in the 1950s.

Supermodels are, almost by definition, sex symbols. Supermodels of today are globally famous, and parlay their celebrity into product endorsement deals and often into acting careers. Supermodels who have made the switch include Milla Jovovich, Elle Macpherson and Rebecca Romijn.

According to Forbes magazine, as of 2004, the five highest-paid supermodels in the world were, in descending order, Milla Jovovich, Gisele B?n, Heidi Klum, Caroline Murphy, and Tyra Banks ([1] (http://funreports.com/2004/07/22/55166.html)).

In the past many supermodels were female. However today more and more male models are also becoming famous. The world's most famous and highest paid male supermodel is Marcus Schenkenberg.

http://encyclopedia.laborlawtalk.com/Supermodel


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Subject: RE: BS: What Constitutes a 'Super Model'?
From: sixtieschick
Date: 07 Aug 05 - 01:25 PM

Supermodel? The Mona Lisa tops the list for longevity.


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Subject: RE: BS: What Constitutes a 'Super Model'?
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Aug 05 - 01:30 PM

Massive bazookas


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Subject: RE: BS: What Constitutes a 'Super Model'?
From: number 6
Date: 07 Aug 05 - 02:19 PM

I'm not angry with women making money .. all the more to them .. even if they are a 'supermodel' .. it's the hype that annoys me, and how people buy into it ... hype is parallel to B.S.

(the grump) sIx


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