BS: Was Thatcher right?

Subject: RE: BS: Was Thatcher right?
From: sapper82
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 04:58 AM

eric the red
If I am a " Thatcher and tory and capitalist apologist" Can I take it that you are an apologist for the brand of Trade Unionism that came so close to pushing this country into collapse in the '70s?
Are you an apologist for the '77/'79 Firemen's strike? Are you an apologist for the Hospital Porters dispute which saw patients being turned away from casualty departments by pickets because they were not ill enough and saw deliveries of heating oil being blocked by the same porters?
Are you an apologist for the street cleaners dispute that saw rubbish piled so high in the streets of Glasgow that it became a public health hazzard?
Or perhaps you are an apologist for the Grave Diggers dispute that saw bodies being stored in deep freeze lorries because they could not be burried?
As a result of those excesses, I went from being a Labour supporter of the late '60s and early '70s to being conservative supporter bvy the mid-'80s and a card carrying member of the Conservative Party by the late '90s.
I have no need to appologise for anyone. What Lady Thatcher did was largely in response to the gross excesses of union power that had built up since WW2.


Richard Bridge;
As you have obviosly not read the text of the Woman's Own interview in which she made that statement, and for which I provided a link in my posting of the 5th of August, I again provide the link here; "There is no such thing as Society" Interview
Please read it. You may also wish to read my comments from the 5th of August.
One of your phrases "it is one of the functions of "society", through the political and fiscal system" sums up exactly why we are now seeing a breakdown in that Society. It is that self same political and fiscal system that has done so much to erode the sense of personal or collective responsibility that acts as a glue to hold our society together.
As Lady Thatcher actually said in that interview, Society is made up of individual men, women and children. How well it works depends on how willing people are to take PERSONAL responsibility for themselves, their families and how willing they are to assist those less fortunate than themselves.

Subject: RE: BS: Was Thatcher right?
From: GUEST,Cho
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 07:33 AM

I can't remember if it was Hazlitt who said:
"The Tory party takes nothing from the rich and gives it to the poor"

Subject: RE: BS: Was Thatcher right?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 09:10 AM

And quit that ' Lady Thatcher ' shit, she is an old harridan with a paranoid hatred of working class people.

And sapper82 has at last admitted his true colours, if he stops here long enough he we find out how small a minority he is in.

eric THE RED

Subject: RE: BS: Was Thatcher right?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 09:15 AM

And sapper82 why do you think there are NO conservative folk songs ?except the ones about the ' unspeakable in full pursuit of the uneatable '

Good music comes out of struggles and hard times caused by the rich and greedy opressing the workers, Thatchers tory party was no different, it still isn't.

eric

Subject: RE: BS: Was Thatcher right?
From: Shakey
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 11:25 AM

Thatcher may well have a paranoid hatred of working class people, who knows. I'm just glad she's gone. However working class people in the 70s and 80s were no better served by corrupt and incompetant unions and a spineless out of control labour party. As I said above, it was the UDM that defeated the miners not Thatcher. I live near the Notts coalfields, I collected money for the miners even though I always believed that Scargill was a lunatic. Kinnock, Smith & Blair brought realism to the labour party and have crushed the idiotic left wing fanatics that were once so vocal. I see from this board that there are a few left but they're no more than a bad joke these days.

Ramble on comrades, meanwhile real people will get the job done.

Shakey

Still proud to carry the card.

Subject: RE: BS: Was Thatcher right?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 11:37 AM

Political parties are the enemies of humanity. They mostly start out with high ideals, but rapidly turn into self-serving, self-perpetuating power blocs with no scruples whatsoever. (like labour unions) It is a bad idea to divide a public into opposing teams to fight against each other! A very bad idea. And that is what political parties do. They work with the principle "divide and conquer". They practice divisiveness, character assassination, false propaganda, and manipulation. They appeal to people's worst instincts in their search for power. They are a curse. We don't need them. We need candidates, and elections, but we DON'T need political parties. We could appoint qualified people at random to political positions and probably get better results in good government, and at far less cost and trouble!

Someday people will look back on our present political parties as they now look back on the once "divine right of kings". They will see it as all having been a huge, giant delusion that stood in the way of peace, equality, prosperity and brotherhood.

Thatcher was part of that huge, giant delusion...but I'll say this: she was effective. (mostly in the wrong direction)

Subject: RE: BS: Was Thatcher right?
From: GUEST,Chang de Vere Ridley-Hayes
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 01:09 PM

The Unions killing British Industry?

Don't make me larf...

People prepared to work for 2 dollars a week in countries devoted to the Thatcher ethic, is wots killing British Industry, gentlemen.

Now....

Who's prepared to take a pay cut, for the common good, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Was Thatcher right?
From: GUEST,Ridley de Vere Hayes-Chang
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 01:12 PM

Are you saying:

Wot Comes Around, Goes Around, sir?

Subject: RE: BS: Was Thatcher right?
From: GUEST,Chang de Vere Ridley-Hates
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 01:13 PM

For some, my boy.

For some.

Subject: RE: BS: Was Thatcher right?
From: GUEST,Ridley de Vere Hayes-Chang
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 01:19 PM

... but not for us, of course....

Oh that's good!

Subject: RE: BS: Was Thatcher right?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 01:57 PM

Roight then!

Subject: RE: BS: Was Thatcher right?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 09:42 PM

Tory policy summed up......... the working classes should work harder for less pay to make more money for someone else in the national interest.

eric

Subject: RE: BS: Was Thatcher right?
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 05:39 AM

Eric...As Hawk says the old labels are becoming redundant.

We should be thinking beyond party politics. We now have a situation where a supposed "labour" government are implimenting policies that a "conservative" administration would never have attempted.

Rhetoric, and distotion by Blair, carried the centre and many of the left, supported by the whole of the forces of traditional conservatism, into the Iraq shambles.
Had the Conservatives been in power, I firmly believe this country would not have troops in Iraq today, and I say that as someone who has never voted conservative.
The wholesale privatisation of public services and the introducionof markets forces as a philosophy, if attempted under a conservative govt today, would never get on the statute book.

We are now almost in the same situation as the Americans, with an increasingly "dumbed down" electorate fighting over two parties which are basically the same.

As the 16th century rebel priest Thomasso Campanella said.

" The people" is a beast of muddy brain, who wages war for its chains rather than be free".....Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Was Thatcher right?
From: Shakey
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 06:52 AM

Eric writes
Tory policy summed up......... the working classes should work harder for less pay to make more money for someone else in the national interest.


Well eric you know as well as I that the tory party have never, willingly, done anything for the working people. It's no big secret. My point is that the working people looked to the unions and the Labour party to represent and protect them, and you know what, they were betrayed. The lunatic left wing have never been interested in working people and they're still not. Ake thinks we've all dumbed down, on the contrary we've wisened up; by getting rid of the cranks Labour has gained the trust of the majority of people and institutions and been able to produce real results. We stand accused of pragmatism by ake, LOL .

1. Lowest inflation since the 60s
2. Lowest mortgage rates for 40 years
3. Introduced the National Minimum Wage
4. Record police numbers in England and Wales
5. Cut overall crime by 30 per cent
6. Record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools
7. Best-ever primary school results
8. Funding for every pupil in England to double (since 1997) by 2007-08
9. Lowest unemployment for 29 years
10. Written off up to 100 per cent of debt owed by poorest counties
11. 78,700 more nurses
12. 27,400 more doctors
13. Brought back matrons to hospital wards
14. Devolved power to the Scottish Parliament
15. Devolved power to Welsh Assembly
16. Banned anti-personnel mines
17. NHS Direct offering free convenient patient advice at any time
18. New Deal - helped over a million people into work
19. Local government funding has increased by a third in real terms
20. Equalised the age of consent for gay men
21. Free entry to all national museums and galleries
22. Overseas aid budget more than doubled
23. Restored city-wide government to London
24. Child benefit up 25 per cent since 1997
25. Created Sure Start to help children from low income households
26. Introduced the Disability Rights Commission
27. £200 winter fuel payment to pensioners & extra £100 for over-80s
28. The biggest rolling stock replacement programme ever seen on our railways
29. Negotiated the historic Good Friday Agreement in Northern Ireland
30. Over 28,000 more teachers in England schools
31. Implemented the Freedom of Information Act
32. All workers now have a right to 4 weeks� paid holiday
33. Record rises in the state pension
34. 700,000 children lifted out of relative poverty
35. Introduced child tax credit giving more money to parents
36. Banned handguns
37. Cut long-term youth unemployment by 75 per cent
38. Free nursery places for three and four-year-olds in England, Scotland and Wales
39. Free fruit for all four to six-year-olds at school
40. Free school milk for five, six and seven-year-olds in Wales
41. Record police numbers in Scotland
42. Implemented the Human Rights Act
43. Cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since the industrial revolution
44. Free TV licences for over-75s
45. Banned fur farming and the testing of cosmetics on animals
46. Halved maximum waiting times for NHS operations
47. Free local bus travel for the over-60s and the disabled in Wales and Scotland
48. Record number of students in higher education
49. Extended the Race Relations Act so that all public bodies and functions now have a duty to promote race equality
50. Five, six and seven-year-olds in class sizes of 30 or less

Oh, and somebody please give ake a hug. The poor man is obviously deperate.

Subject: RE: BS: Was Thatcher right?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 06:58 AM

To ake and Shakey, I guess I'm a dinosaur at heart and I'm DEFINATELY a luddite. Never mind eh.

eric

Subject: RE: BS: Was Thatcher right?
From: GUEST,DB
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 07:52 AM

Thatcher and Blair and Bush are, of course, only the tools of an economic system which is profoundly flawed. It is a system that believes that resources are infinite and can be exploited infinitely - and resolutely ignores any evidence to the contrary. Well, I've got a sneaking suspicion that they (and us!) are in for a rude awakening. I keep reading snatches in the press and on the Web which suggests that oil production has peaked and will soon run out (petrol at 90p a litre - any connection, I wonder?). Because the whole 'house-of-cards' is based on an infinite supply of oil it is likely to soon come crashing down around our ears.
Thatcher could have been 'wrong' because she really did believe in the 'infinite resources' myth. On the other hand Bush and Blair could be'right'because they've taken the blinkers off and seen this coming - grabbing what's left of, and keeping control of, the world's remaining oil stocks is the only credible reason for invading Iraq.

Subject: RE: BS: Was Thatcher right?
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 08:48 AM

Shakibus.... As I cant be arsed going through your whole pedantic list, I'll aswer them all in one word SPIN!!   Your examples are meaningless except when studied in detail.

A typical case of facts being fixed to sit the agenda.

As an example, you cite winter payments to pensioners as something to be proud of, whereas, a true government of the people would make sure that its senior citizens received a pension that would ensure some degree of comfort in old age, rather than the pittance they receive at present.

Of course , with a bit of luck ,most will be too demented or to proud to fill in the forms for their "extras".

Go and hug you hero Blair, he loves tories masquerading as socialists.....Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Was Thatcher right?
From: Shakey
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 09:29 AM

Your examples are meaningless except when studied in detail.

I didn't realise I was dealing with such a razor sharp mind. I was tempted to show just how much of a simpleton you really are but you do that much better than I ever could. You're not by any chance a member of the SWP are you? Or maybe the Respect party.

In every post, in every thread, you seek to have a go at Blair, why don't you just start a thread with the subject "Blair is a tosser" and be done with it.

Subject: RE: BS: Was Thatcher right?
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 10:58 AM

Everybody knows THAT old song

Subject: RE: BS: Was Thatcher right?
From: robomatic
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 12:08 PM

akenaton, on your post of 08 Aug 05 that was a good answer and you've made me think, but I'll try to forgive you!

Subject: RE: BS: Was Thatcher right?
From: R. Padgett
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 12:46 PM

1 Work is needed for our youngsters to do, not all are academically
minded and need alternative work.
When I left school in mid 1960s I could have my pick of jobs
2 Education in schools is not equiping the 16 year olds for
work; very many have a poor grasp of English and Numeracy
basic times tables addition and division are not grasped and
learnt properly if at all up to 16 ~ we had to!!
3 IT is fortunately popular, but many are not yet being given the
opportunity at secondary school (up to 16) due to lack of funding
4 Investment for pensions is a very sore point ~ I do not believe
that Stock Exchange investment underpinning any investment is   
appropriate, look at Endowment policy scandal, the world slump in
2000 has not yet recovered (no good to me my pension has eclipsed)
5 The investment in housing due to the lack of certainty in Stock
Exchange shares has produced inflated housing prices leading to
mortgages that will never be paid off and repossessions ~
youngsters will not be able to afford to buy
6 New thinking whereby reasonable gauranteed rates accrue to
investments for everyone are needed ~ Governments which continue to renage on past promises will always exist, hopefully now they have learnt from their past experiences, but so too have we investors. It will take many years for confidence to return to the UK for the more risky investment opportunities. Spend your money now because you cannot trust government nor any financial advisor may be 'best advice'
make your own mind up on that one!! I would not advise anyone to save for a life time knowing that the value will be worthless

And no I do not know the answer, but do I trust anyone with my money

I DO NOT

Subject: RE: BS: Was Thatcher right?
From: Shakey
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 01:12 PM

Everybody knows THAT old song

Well, there goes that razor sharp mind again, destroying my argument with just a few well chosen words.

The lunatic left have always been against everything, just what are you actually in favour of Ake?

Subject: RE: BS: Was Thatcher right?
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 03:05 PM

Thanks for the comment Robo...and try to keep up with the thinking,

I've seen cases as severe as Shakey completely rehabilitated by that course of treatment.

Seriously, you made some excellent points in your original post and although we often disagree, I admire your open minded stance on most subjects.

Shakey...You're correct about my opinion of Blair, the decision to commit troops to Iraq and the methods used to "sell" the war to the British public and parliament was unforgivable.
He is not only a glory hunting egomaniac, but also a short sighted fool.
On both counts he is unfit to hold the office of prime minister.

This thread was supposed to illustrate how we have lost our sense of involvement with others, and lost any sense of collective responsibility for the actions of our government.

In my opinion this can be laid at the door of those who inflicted the "New Labour Project" upon us.

Subject: RE: BS: Was Thatcher right?
From: R. Padgett
Date: 11 Aug 05 - 02:30 PM

WE still have Management V Union problems look at the B.A contracted out stance and walk out "un official strike" companies still trying to do things on the cheap instaed of keeping things in house and properly monitored, simply perpetuating low wages to a section of society with little clout except via a trade union

So what does legislation say ~ sack the workers (700) who are at the end of their tether, leading to all out shut down, via sympathy strikes

What does this tell you B.A. ~~ no no prizes for guessing, Contracting out leads to company bosses wanting to make the extra buck at the expense of those doing the menial work for nothing (a pittance)

End result no control and a business which stops and loses more than value of the contract

Tourists stranded bad publicity and bad feeling all round

It's your own fault BA for following ridiculous mangament ideas to reduce costs

Thatcher's ideas?

God help us too clever by half

Subject: RE: BS: Was Thatcher right?
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Dec 06 - 03:39 AM

A group of Irish-American politicians has blocked the US Congress from awarding a congressional medal to former British prime minister Margaret Thatcher. Illinois Republican congressman Mark Kirk admitted earlier this month that plans to award Mrs Thatcher the Congressional Medal of Honour had to be abandoned after Massachusetts Democratic congressman Barney Frank said he would do everything he could to stop it because of the Irish community's "very legitimate and strong" reaction to Mrs Thatcher.

He was joined by a group of congressmen from Irish districts, including Joe Crowley of New York, who said that it would be "just plain wrong" to give Congress's highest award to Mrs Thatcher on the 25th anniversary year of the IRA hunger strikes. "Many people in the British government who came after her did great work to end the conflict, but she certainly didn't," he said.

Mr Frank said there was "absolutely no way" that Republicans could obtain the required two-thirds vote required to allow Congress to give Mrs Thatcher the medal of honour, also known as the congressional gold medal. Mr Frank is the most senior Democrat on the Financial Services Committee, which makes a final approval on congressional medal of honour candidates after they are nominated by two-thirds of the members of Congress. "I told the Republican members that I would use the full time allotted to debate the medal and that I would call a full roll-call before the vote would be allowed to go through.

I don't think anyone had the stomach for it, so they've dropped it," he said. Mr Frank said that he also opposed Mrs Thatcher's stand on gay issues when she was in power. "I don't think we should be giving out medals to people just because they were friends of Ronald Reagan.

Subject: RE: BS: Was Thatcher right?
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 30 Dec 06 - 09:28 AM

This must be about the only thing she ever did that did not deserve wholehearted condemnation. Hers was on this occasion (and probably only this occasion) a "very legitimate and strong" reaction to a series of illegitmate threats to lawful authority.   

Oh, that and a certain "Gotcha".

However, given the other sins of hers, the idea that anyone other than the ghost of Mussolini would want to give her a medal beggars belief.

I would happily hang her in a gibbet until only bleaching bones remained.

Subject: RE: BS: Was Thatcher right?
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 30 Dec 06 - 04:09 PM

naw she wasnae richt, mind you neither is blair or b.lair as he should be called.

I don't know how anyone could call themselevses solicalists and yet vote for another right wing party

Subject: RE: BS: Was Thatcher right?
From: Cluin
Date: 30 Dec 06 - 06:30 PM

Was Thatcher right?

She certainly wasn't left.

Subject: RE: BS: Was Thatcher right?
From: Teribus
Date: 30 Dec 06 - 07:35 PM

With out any reservation, the best Prime Minister that the United Kingdom has ever had. You elect people to provide LEADERSHIP. OK subsequent to her departure, name one British politician who has demonstrated leadership as opposed to populist claptrap.

Subject: RE: BS: Was Thatcher right?
From: GUEST,Bruce Michael Baillie
Date: 30 Dec 06 - 08:09 PM

...NO Margaret Thatcher was never right she was a fucking bitch! Yes she showed strong leadership, but leadership without an ounce of compassion. I lived through those years and always wondered why it was she promoted the home ownership thing, getting everyone to own their own houses rather than rent? over the years I've seen why the old bitch was so keen on that idea, so when you're old and decrepit your house can be sold to pay someone to look after you, ...well that's if you call being looked after, sitting in your own piss for 18 hours a day while some poor overworked woman on below the minimum wage tries to cope with 40 or so inmates of what are laughingly reffered to as 'Care Homes'.
Teribus, if Margaret Thatcher was our best Prime Minister then God help us when the worst one finally arrives!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Was Thatcher right?
From: akenaton
Date: 30 Dec 06 - 09:42 PM

Even Teribus seems to have missed the point of this thread.
Its not about whether on not Thatcher was a good leader, but whether her remarks about "society" were valid.

I detested Thatchers ideology almost as much as I detest Blair personally, but there is a ring of truth about her opinion of the British electorate.
Are we really only motivated by self interest.
With the death of Saddam today, why are we all saying on another thread that the monster deserves to die, yet turn our heads away from the death and mutilation of innocent women and children, caused in part by our support for "our monsters".

Double standards and hypocrisy abound......Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Was Thatcher right?
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 30 Dec 06 - 09:49 PM

sod saddam..

i want to watch Thather be slowly garotted..!!!??


[big party in ciderland planned for her wake..]


.. though if my mum and dad could have afforded to buy their council house back in the 80's

and leave it to me in their will..

maybe my attitude might be a slight bit different..!!!???


..and how dare 'Thatchers vintage cider' be so exquiitely lovely

with that surname making each sip so bitter sweet..!!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Was Thatcher right?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 31 Dec 06 - 04:43 AM

Good name though innit ' Thatchers Falling Down '

eric

Subject: RE: BS: Was Thatcher right?
From: sapper82
Date: 31 Dec 06 - 05:09 AM

The more I read some of the comments above, particularly the violent wishes of punkfolkrocker, the more I wonder of their sanity and the more I am glad I do not share such hate filled opinions.

Subject: RE: BS: Was Thatcher right?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 31 Dec 06 - 07:16 AM

What is this medal? is it reserved for nice people?

if so, can I have one?

I have always paid my speeding fines, and change my guitar strings quite often. I think its high time I got some form of recognition for these services to humanity.

Subject: RE: BS: Was Thatcher right?
From: autolycus
Date: 31 Dec 06 - 07:31 AM

In no way do I share the violent attitudes of other posters, and I'm glad that the Americans are refusing her that medal - well done people.

   Interesting that it has not been prominent news here on UK radio.


   

    Happy and fruitful New Year






      Ivor

Subject: RE: BS: Was Thatcher right?
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Dec 06 - 12:17 PM

She was right about a lot of things, we just did not like the things she was right about. She did some unpleasant things that needed doing, that is never popular, is it ?

Subject: RE: BS: Was Thatcher right?
From: Tootler
Date: 31 Dec 06 - 06:34 PM

NO!!

She was a ragbag of prejudices and most of what she did was about settling old scores. That she did some things that needed doing was a by product of that but she did it in such a way as to alienate large numbers of people.

She was perfectly prepared to tread on people and kick them when they were down to get her way. That is not the mark of a good leader.

Her legacy is a divided society with a great many people feeling excluded and it will take at least a generation to heal the damage.

Subject: RE: BS: Was Thatcher right?
From: akenaton
Date: 31 Dec 06 - 08:19 PM

Tootler...the damage will never be healed...It's built into the system that our society will diverge.
The "have nots" are a product of "progress".

THe world of science fiction is not far off, where a continual civil war is joined by the ruling elite and the underclass...Ake

Subject: RE: BS: Was Thatcher right?
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 01 Jan 07 - 05:05 AM

I vividly remember the 'Letters' column of my local newspaper from around the time that Thatcher was elected (1979). This was full of letters complaining about 'benefits scroungers', 'immigrants', 'trade unionists' etc. The main thrust of these letters appeared to be that people who were perceived to be of a lower social status than the letter writers were 'getting away with things'/'getting more than their fair share'. There were never any letters about what people of a perceived higher social status may have been 'getting away with'.

I believe that Thatcher appealed to these letter writers and their 'silent majority' neighbours, and they are the people who elected her. She came to power on a platform of envy, petty spite, greed and snobbery (always a winning combination!). Of course, Thatcher's real project was all to do with Free Market Economics and giving away the 'family silver' to Big Business.

I'll give her her due though: most modern politicians make promises to the electorate in order to get elected and then promptly sell out to Big Business when in office. Thatcher sold out to Big Business and kept her promises to stop the poor and disadvantaged from 'getting away' with stuff.

Subject: RE: BS: Was Thatcher right?
From: sapper82
Date: 01 Jan 07 - 09:03 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Was Thatcher right?
From: akenaton - PM
Date: 30 Dec 06 - 09:42 PM

Even Teribus seems to have missed the point of this thread.
Its not about whether on not Thatcher was a good leader, but whether her remarks about "society" were valid.

As I have said in previous posts, as well as providing links, when one actually takes the time to read the entire interview in "Woman's Own" it is immediately obvious that what she was really saying is totally at odds with the "accepted" interpretaion of the left.
This leads to a further point.
When one looks at the mendacity of the Left in the way it has taken quotations out of context or reinterpreted "facts" to suit their adgenda, one tends to think what else have they twisted and lied about. Perhaps this link here might enlighten some of those with open minds.

Subject: RE: BS: Was Thatcher right?
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jan 07 - 09:25 AM

Funny how those who support her now are those who were in the forces or the police - the favoured ones.
She was a misguided, bigotted harridan who ruined thousands of lives.

Subject: RE: BS: Was Thatcher right?
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jan 07 - 09:28 AM

That guardianlies site is a hoot! There are some truly deranged people out there, eh?
Are to to believe that the CPS, the whole legal system and a jury were party to all of this? Makes Fayed's paranoia seem sane!

Subject: RE: BS: Was Thatcher right?
From: Geordie-Peorgie
Date: 01 Jan 07 - 09:54 AM

"Funny how those who support her now are those who were in the forces or the police - the favoured ones"

Aye, because the previous governments had ignored those areas.

Oh! When soldiers sailors & airmen went off to fight in the Falklands (A British Island) they DID have adequate equipment and enough of it - Albeit the fact that the media in UK showed the Argies where our 'shortfalls' were.

Our current leader has packed off a bunch of ill-prepared and ill-equipped young men & women to fight someone else's fights (plural) in the middle east - I bet HE gets a congressional medal of honour.

But, back to the title of the thread - Yes! She was right - our society was, is and will continue to be 'dog eat dog' and 'every man for himself' because that's the way we are

She didn't cause it!

Subject: RE: BS: Was Thatcher right?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 01 Jan 07 - 10:28 AM

Funny how you can speak good English when your ranting on.

eric

Subject: RE: BS: Was Thatcher right?
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jan 07 - 10:55 AM

Hooly crap, man. Ye mean tez say that Geordie lad disn't allus write like that? Aye, and there was me thinking he was a poor illiterate victim of the Thatcher yers!
Inside that ludicrous affectation is an old-fashioned twat. Fancy!

Subject: RE: BS: Was Thatcher right?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 01 Jan 07 - 11:44 AM

As I remember, the interior of the Sir Galahad was coated in highly flammable material to save a few quid. And the whole bloody escapade was caused by her nibs deciding to knock off the naval patrols which were protecting the islands. that's why the Argies decided to chance their arm.

Callaghan had averted a similar war by just lining up the warships a few years earlier.

the bloody woman was a bag of shite. she had a rip roaring time giving anti Irish speeches to a load of daft old sods in hats at the tory party conference - provoking the worse violence between the two countries for nearly two hundred years.

The only thing that she really did right was to make her rotten party unleadable and unelectable. She was kept in power by the Ulster Unionists. The frightening thing is that if Cameron gets himself elected, he will similarly have his nuts in Paisley's hands and we can look forward to another round of mayhem.

Subject: RE: BS: Was Thatcher right?
From: Geordie-Peorgie
Date: 01 Jan 07 - 06:55 PM

Are you seriously saying that Ian Paisley is STILL a force to be reckoned with??

He's almost dead!!

Eric, There's nothing funny about my accent - Strangely enough I thought that a serious response was woth a serious response - Obviously not!!

So gan and stuff yersel' ye commie twat!!

Subject: RE: BS: Was Thatcher right?
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jan 07 - 07:07 PM

Sounds like you could do with some of those electrocution lessons Geordie.

Subject: RE: BS: Was Thatcher right?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 01 Jan 07 - 07:34 PM

If the Cameron gets in, Paisley's cohorts will be kicking ass again. Cameron will kissing the boots that kick his ass and call him a sell out.

that much is surely predictable.