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Subject: Lyr Req: Union Banners (John Warner)
From: curmudgeon
Date: 08 Aug 05 - 05:13 PM

Does anyone have the lyrics to this grand anthem? We have a recording of it by Danny Spooner, but it was made in a pub and not all the words are clear.

Thanks in advance - Tom


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Union Banners (John Warner)
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 08 Aug 05 - 05:32 PM

BRING OUT THE BANNERS (John Warner 14/6/97)
^^
(Tune: Oxford or See Amid The Winter's Snow, John Goss 1800-1880)

In faded photo, like a dream,
A locomotive under steam
Rolls with the ranks of marching feet
And union banners on the street.

Ch/ Bring out the banners once again,
    You union women, union men,
    That all around may plainly see
    The power of our unity.

I've seen those banners richly made
With symbols fair of craft and trade,
The unions' names in red and gold,
Their aspirations printed bold.

Boilermakers, smiths and cooks,
Stevedores with cargo hooks,
Declare their union strong and proud,
Rank on rank before the crowd.

They won their eight-hour working day,
They won our right to honest pay,
Victorious their banners shone,
How dare we lose what they have won?

Today, when those who rule divide,
We must be standing side by side,
Our rights were bought with tears and pain,
Bring out the banners once again.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Union Banners (John Warner)
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 08 Aug 05 - 07:21 PM

Thank you, thank you, thank you!

Tom and I need to learn this before we perform at the Strafford County Democratic Picnic (to remind some local Democrats that they are the party of the WORKERS.

Last fall at the Portsmouth Maritime Folk Festival, Danny Spooner and I didn't have time to write down the words -- he let me tape him singing it at the Sunday singaround in a crowded pub. And then I "lost" the CD made from the tapes. (It was less than 8 inches from my left hand at the computer all the time -- I was looking for something that looked different; ach!) So I just transcribed it yesterday and realized I was missing lines. Had Tom listen to see if he could fill in the blanks and he decided to post the lyric request here as being probably faster than emailing Danny since his dance card seems to be pretty full lately.

Thanks again!

Linn


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Union Banners (John Warner)
From: Bob Bolton
Date: 09 Aug 05 - 10:02 AM

G'day curmudgeon, Kitty & Linn (BG),

John Warner is an active 'Catter: Jack Halyard. You could try PMing him for any clarification needed. JennyO would be a handy second line for John, as she seems more active on the 'Cat.

Regards,

Bob


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Subject: RE: Req/ADD: Union Banners (John Warner)
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 09:32 AM

John is a very un-active Mudcatter, unlike Jenny.

Back in 2000 'Bring out the Banners' was one of the featured songs in the Choral Sea (= gathering of choirs & singers). One choir teaches the other choirs one of their songs, & 400 people sang this wonderful song.

Magic.

sandra


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Subject: RE: Req/ADD: Union Banners (John Warner)
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 03:10 PM

The words I posted were from a handout that John handed round when he and Margaret last performed at the Herga folk club.

This would be roundabout the time that Johnny Collins had started singing "No more fish, no fishermen" to the same tune.

Kitty


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Subject: RE: Req/ADD: Union Banners (John Warner)
From: jack halyard
Date: 11 Aug 05 - 08:31 PM

G'day You Lot,
It's just magic how the seeds planted on a piece of paper in England in 1998 have borne fruit in America and around the place through the Mudcat pipeline. Sorry, folks, I'm not an active mudcatter- a spiritual failing on my part I guess, but I never cease to be awed at its magic.

In brief, Bring out the banners resulted from a commission I was given for an exibition of trade - union banners in Sydney. As the old union songs were usually buit on old hymn tunes, I borrowed one, Oxford by John Goss, and wrote in a way that had the feel of old trade-union writing. The tune has evolved a bit under my singing and I've heard it sung to Goss's form from the Methodist Hymn Book- it sounds a bit different. No doubt Danny has stamped his mighty footprint on it in his own way too. Good luck and good health to the electronic folk-process.

                                 Jack Halyard.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req/Add: Union Banners (John Warner)
From: Dan Schatz
Date: 12 Jul 12 - 11:20 AM

There is an mp3 of this song you can listen to at the unionsongs website.

Dan


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req/Add: Union Banners (John Warner)
From: Joe_F
Date: 12 Jul 12 - 08:48 PM

A handout at Occupy Boston had the following additional stanza (by whom?):

Take this message, take these tones,
Feel them deep inside your bones,
But never sing 'em just by rote --
Think when you sing, think when you vote!

It also had "How dare we *cede* what they have gained", which I think gives the meaning better than "lose".

I regret to confess that this fine sone makes me sad. It seems hopelessly archaic.
--
--- Joe Fineman    joe_f@verizon.net

||: Ontology recapitulates philology. :||


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req/Add: Union Banners (John Warner)
From: GUEST,Gerry
Date: 13 Jul 12 - 01:11 AM

Well, Joe, we can't have archaic and eat it, too.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req/Add: Union Banners (John Warner)
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 13 Jul 12 - 08:54 AM

I sent an email to John & former singing partner Margaret Walters telling them about the new verse.

here's John's reply -

Most interesting to see what's being done by the folk to my song.

A bit bothered by the "Hopelessly archaic" comment. The aim of the song is to emphasise the historical roots of the cause and the necessity to continue the struggle. At the current time, with politics and industrial relations what they are, I would have thought it more relevant and contemporary.

See ya. John
----------------------

here's Margaret's reply -

Sometimes hard-won benefits aren't ceded intentionally, but because the negotiators are ignorant of how they were achieved in the first place. That is how they get "lost".

But my main problem is that "cede" doesn't SING well. Sounds like "seed" - and therefore confusing.
-----------------------

sandra


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req/Add: Union Banners (John Warner)
From: Joe_F
Date: 13 Jul 12 - 09:11 PM

As to "archaic": The faded photo & the obsolete image of the locomotive under steam seem to me to suggest a bygone era. But more fundamentally, I cannot escape the surmise that as labor (as a factor of production) loses importance in comparison with capital, Labor (as a movement) is bound to lose power. As Norbert Wiener wrote in 1947, "Taking the second [industrial] revolution as accomplished, the average human being of mediocre attainments or less has nothing to sell that it is worth anyone's money to buy". I hasten to add that he went on, "The answer, of course, is to have a society based on human values other than buying or selling". That, IMO, is overstated (I think there have to be labor markets of some kind), but it remains that as long as everybody is supposed to work for a living, the price of labor in real terms equals the standard of living, and we cannot consistently call the first bad and the second good. They have to be broken apart, perhaps by something like the negative income tax proposed by Daniel P. Moynihan of blessed memory. But that sort of speculation does not fit well on a red banner.

As to "cede": If "lose" is the meaning, then "dare", which emphatically connotes intentionality, does not fit very well with it. But that is a minor rhetorical point. I entirely agree that "cede" will confuse listeners, and would add that, being a formal word, it adds to the archaic tone of the text.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req/Add: Union Banners (John Warner)
From: Joe_F
Date: 22 Aug 12 - 08:50 PM

FWIW: To answer my own question, the author of the added verse turns out to be Dave Kessler.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req/Add: Union Banners (John Warner)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 23 Aug 12 - 06:38 PM

"Archaic"? As John said "wrote in a way that had the feel of old trade-union writing." The intent I take it being to remind us where we come from, and what we've so often thrown away.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req/Add: Union Banners (John Warner)
From: Elmore
Date: 23 Aug 12 - 08:18 PM

Love it. First heard it done by Dave Webber and Anni Fentiman.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req/Add: Union Banners (John Warner)
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Aug 12 - 03:41 PM

Sadly, the concept of a union is rapidly becoming archaic.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req/Add: Union Banners (John Warner)
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Aug 12 - 04:20 PM

It is still the case that any body who doesn't belong to the appropriate union is just stupid. Even aside from anything else, without being part of a union, any time you are being messed around at work by management or by anybody, you're completely on your own.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req/Add: Union Banners (John Warner)
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 Aug 12 - 07:11 AM

Just opened this up and noticed that in my last post (24 Aug 12 - 04:20 PM) I came in as a GUEST by accident.


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