Lyrics & Knowledge Personal Pages Record Shop Auction Links Radio & Media Kids Membership Help
The Mudcat Cafemuddy

Post to this Thread - Sort Descending - Printer Friendly - Home


Federico Garcia Lorca Poem?

Uke 10 Aug 05 - 03:39 AM
Le Scaramouche 10 Aug 05 - 05:25 AM
Uke 10 Aug 05 - 06:39 AM
Bat Goddess 10 Aug 05 - 07:54 AM
Jim McLean 10 Aug 05 - 12:18 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 10 Aug 05 - 12:34 PM
DrWord 10 Aug 05 - 09:19 PM
Amos 10 Aug 05 - 11:12 PM
GUEST,Bill the Collie 11 Aug 05 - 02:12 AM
GUEST,Guest, Big Tim 11 Aug 05 - 02:39 AM
Le Scaramouche 11 Aug 05 - 10:59 AM
Amos 11 Aug 05 - 11:54 AM
Q (Frank Staplin) 11 Aug 05 - 12:04 PM
Le Scaramouche 11 Aug 05 - 12:10 PM
Uke 11 Aug 05 - 04:19 PM
Amos 11 Aug 05 - 04:27 PM
Uke 17 Aug 05 - 01:33 AM
Le Scaramouche 17 Aug 05 - 05:32 AM
Amos 17 Aug 05 - 09:20 AM
GUEST 15 Oct 15 - 03:59 PM
FreddyHeadey 15 Oct 15 - 06:05 PM
maeve 15 Oct 15 - 06:22 PM
FreddyHeadey 15 Oct 15 - 06:27 PM
maeve 15 Oct 15 - 06:27 PM
maeve 15 Oct 15 - 06:40 PM
GUEST,# 15 Oct 15 - 06:47 PM
maeve 15 Oct 15 - 07:49 PM
GUEST,# 15 Oct 15 - 07:51 PM
Monique 16 Oct 15 - 02:34 AM
MGM·Lion 16 Oct 15 - 01:53 PM
MGM·Lion 16 Oct 15 - 02:28 PM
Share Thread
more
Lyrics & Knowledge Search [Advanced]
DT  Forum
Sort (Forum) by:relevance date
DT Lyrics:









Subject: Source of Frederico Garcia Lorca Poem?
From: Uke
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 03:39 AM

I'm hoping someone out there who knows the poetry of Lorca might be able to help me trace the source of this oft-quoted poetic description of folk-inspired art:

"The poem, the song, the picture, is only water drawn from the well of the people, and it should be given back to them in a cup of beauty so that they may drink - and in drinking understand themselves."

I've looked through several translated anthologies of his poems, but with no luck. I'm starting to wonder if he really did create this passage. Help please!!


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Frederico Garcia Lorca Poem?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 05:25 AM

It might not be a poem you know. It could be from a play, or from a letter, a review, anything.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Frederico Garcia Lorca Poem?
From: Uke
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 06:39 AM

This is true, La Scaramouche. It's sometimes referred to as from a poem... though not always, and it seems to have gotten around without the source ever being specified.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Frederico Garcia Lorca Poem?
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 07:54 AM

I just did a quick Google of "water drawn from the well of the people" and got a lot of hits on the quote (including SingOut!) but no attribution (at least on the first couple pages -- don't have the time right now to check further).

I've got several translated compilations of his poetry and at least one biography (I think), but, alas, they're not as readily searchable as the internet.

Linn


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Frederico Garcia Lorca Poem?
From: Jim McLean
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 12:18 PM

Lorca did write it and I've seen it as a complete (short) poem on its own.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Frederico Garcia Lorca Poem?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 12:34 PM

Not in Bartlett's [anglocentric] Quotations.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Frederico Garcia Lorca Poem?
From: DrWord
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 09:19 PM

Isn't it Federico?


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Frederico Garcia Lorca Poem?
From: Amos
Date: 10 Aug 05 - 11:12 PM

Here's one of many places it is quoted, in Sing Out. I have not been able to find the original place where he wrote it.


A


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Frederico Garcia Lorca Poem?
From: GUEST,Bill the Collie
Date: 11 Aug 05 - 02:12 AM

Pete Heywood (Living Tradition magazine) uses this on the sleeve notes of his "Tradition Bearers" series of CD's by excellent traditional singers like Jack Beck, Jimmy Hutchison, Maureen Jelks, Heather Heywood etc.

Pete quotes it thus:

"The paintings, poetry and music
Are all merely water drawn from the well of mankind
And must be returned to him in a cup of beauty
So that he may drink
And in drinking, come to know himself.
LORCA"


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Frederico Garcia Lorca Poem?
From: GUEST,Guest, Big Tim
Date: 11 Aug 05 - 02:39 AM

Federico García Lorca (1898-1936). Born in Fuente Vaqueros, best known for his powerful dramatic tragedies, which deal with elemental themes in a striking fashion (Chambers Biographical Dictionary).

Leonard Cohen and Shane MacGowan are among his admirers.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Frederico Garcia Lorca Poem?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 11 Aug 05 - 10:59 AM

He collaborated with Paco Ibanez, IIRC, and a terrific performer of their songs is David Broza. In 1995, I think, there was a tribute album entitled Poetas en Nuevas York.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Frederico Garcia Lorca Poem?
From: Amos
Date: 11 Aug 05 - 11:54 AM

None of which answers the original question as to where he said it in the first place!! :D


A


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Frederico Garcia Lorca Poem?
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 11 Aug 05 - 12:04 PM

Amos, this thread reminds me of a tactic used in grade school days- If we didn't know the answer, we would dredge up some other fact in the hope that the teacher would give us some credit, and we wouldn't lose face.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Frederico Garcia Lorca Poem?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 11 Aug 05 - 12:10 PM

I was responding to the leonard Cohen and Shane McGowan remark.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Frederico Garcia Lorca Poem?
From: Uke
Date: 11 Aug 05 - 04:19 PM

I'm now trying to contact someone at the Spanish department at the local university, see if they know...

If this is successful I will post the answer.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Frederico Garcia Lorca Poem?
From: Amos
Date: 11 Aug 05 - 04:27 PM

Thank uke very much!


A


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Frederico Garcia Lorca Poem?
From: Uke
Date: 17 Aug 05 - 01:33 AM

Hello Amos and everyone else,

No success, but thought I'd report back that nobody in my local Spanish department knows of the origin of this quote. They recommended looking at Lorca's essays - Nada! (as far as I could see)

It could possibly be one of his very early poems or 'juvenilia' - these aren't included in the standard translated Collected Poems. Or perhaps an interview: these aren't available in collected form.

I'm starting to think this quote qualifies as folklore. It's been passed along, from quote to quote, without any firm evidence of its origins.

I've seen several of 'variants' on the web too. In particular, instead of "cup of beauty", one speaks of "a golden cup"... though perhaps this is evidence it's been differently translated from a Spanish source ????


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Frederico Garcia Lorca Poem?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 17 Aug 05 - 05:32 AM

if it is fakelore, it's done a pretty good job of mimicking Lorca's style.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Frederico Garcia Lorca Poem?
From: Amos
Date: 17 Aug 05 - 09:20 AM

Dang. Well, at least you had the pleasure of reviewing a lot of Lorca!!

A


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Frederico Garcia Lorca Poem?
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Oct 15 - 03:59 PM

The source appears to be an English-language essay about Spain since the Spanish Civil War, written by....Langston Hughes.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Frederico Garcia Lorca Poem?
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 15 Oct 15 - 06:05 PM

And even then it is LH quoting Raphael Alberti quoting Lorca.

Google books

...the para' above "How to eat a cat"


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Frederico Garcia Lorca Poem?
From: maeve
Date: 15 Oct 15 - 06:22 PM

Also attributed to Lorca here:
Ritual Theatre: The Power of Dramatic Ritual ... By Claire Schrader on page 14, where the quotation is described and written as a poem.

The author of this Master's thesis includes the quotation, as attributed to Lorca.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Frederico Garcia Lorca Poem?
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 15 Oct 15 - 06:27 PM

I thought the story about the cat was going to be a joke.
It isn't.
They were hard times.

If you need to know :
...best way to eat a cat....

Sorry for the drift.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Frederico Garcia Lorca Poem?
From: maeve
Date: 15 Oct 15 - 06:27 PM

A report from San Francisco Commission on the Arts report includes this:
:

"In conclusion of her report. Director Isaacs read the following poem of Frederico Garcia Lorca, that reflects the philosophy of art and its relation to humankind, and that too,
she said, could also be a mission statement of the Arts Commission: "

the poem

the song

the picture

is only water

drawn from the well

of the people

and it should be given back

to them in a cup of beauty

so that they may drink

and in drinking

understand themselves



Frederico Garcia Lorca


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Frederico Garcia Lorca Poem?
From: maeve
Date: 15 Oct 15 - 06:40 PM

For those inclined to search further, here is last link for tonight:
https://www.poets.org/poetsorg/poet/federico-garc%C3%ADa-lorca

Selected Bibliography
Poetry

In Search of Duende (1998)
Selected Poems (1941)
Canciones (1927)
Poeta en Nueva York ("Poet in New York") (1940)
Lament for the Death of a Bullfighter and Other Poems (1937)
Llanto por Ignacio Sanchez Mejias (1935)
El poema del Cante Jondo (1932)
Romancero Gitano ("The Gypsy Ballads") (1928)
Libro de poemas (1921)
Impresiones y viajes (1918)


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Frederico Garcia Lorca Poem?
From: GUEST,#
Date: 15 Oct 15 - 06:47 PM

With no offence to anyone, Lorca's first name is spelled

Federico.

That was noted much earlier in this thread. Perhaps a mod would be kind enough to modify the title.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Federico Garcia Lorca Poem?
From: maeve
Date: 15 Oct 15 - 07:49 PM

Indeed it is. For now, this post's title has it spelled correctly, so until a mod can make the permanent correction at least someone searching for the correctly spelled name will find this thread. Thanks, friend #.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Frederico Garcia Lorca Poem?
From: GUEST,#
Date: 15 Oct 15 - 07:51 PM

Good thinking, Maeve. ;-)


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Frederico Garcia Lorca Poem?
From: Monique
Date: 16 Oct 15 - 02:34 AM

Here you can find his complete works in Spanish, some poems with recordings.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Frederico Garcia Lorca Poem?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 16 Oct 15 - 01:53 PM

Just to say that, fine poet as Lorca clearly was, one of the most distinguished European writers of C20, as a theatre critic I have always found his excellent and extremely stageworthy plays the most interesting part of him. Particularly admire

Don Cristobal
Blood Wedding
The House of Bernada Alba

all of which I have seen with pleasure & admiration several times, and occasionally had the privilege of reviewing for The Guardian -- for ¼C my main outlet for play-related stuff.

≈M≈


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: Frederico Garcia Lorca Poem?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 16 Oct 15 - 02:28 PM

I remember a Blood Wedding with an impressive performance from a young Rachel Weisz before she got really bigtime famous.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate
  Share Thread:
More...

Reply to Thread
Subject:  Help
From:
Preview   Automatic Linebreaks   Make a link ("blue clicky")


Mudcat time: 20 April 6:21 PM EDT

[ Home ]

All original material is copyright © 1998 by the Mudcat Café Music Foundation, Inc. All photos, music, images, etc. are copyright © by their rightful owners. Every effort is taken to attribute appropriate copyright to images, content, music, etc. We are not a copyright resource.