HI Max: What about Shambles requests?

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: JennyO
Date: 20 Aug 05 - 12:06 PM

Well, why not? Probably makes as much sense as anything else here.

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Janie
Date: 20 Aug 05 - 03:35 PM

Sure is hot here in North Carolina today. Think I'll join the hampsters behind that speedboat.

Janie

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 20 Aug 05 - 03:49 PM

~~~~yes~~~~

No Bill - minimal or none at all - just describes the amount of imposition your posts are likely to receive currently - no matter how personally abusive they may be.

Amos says - All posters are equal. But some posts are not.

I think Bill D's plainly quite absurd answer demonstrates that some posters are considered and consider themselves now - to be a lot more equal than other posters on our forum. They certainly feel that their posts will always be free of the imposition that they smugly consider would be 'minimal' when imposed upon someone else.

Amos - As it was you who used the word minimal - perhaps we may get a fair and more sensible answer from you? One that we will never receive from Bill D? Although I would not bet too much hard cash on it.

Do you still consider the ability of these volunteer fellow posters to impose their personal judgement upon the words of their fellow posters – without their knowledge or permission – for purposes only of clarity and 'indexing' – really be described as 'minimal'? What more real power over their fellow posters could they possibly require than this?

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Aug 05 - 10:20 PM

Martin Gibson would tell you that you are all full of shit.

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: michaelr
Date: 20 Aug 05 - 10:24 PM

And for once he would be right.

What's the point of this thread? Or of Roger's obsession?

No, don't answer that. Please. Just save the bandwidth for things that matter.

Cheers,
Michael

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Amos
Date: 20 Aug 05 - 10:54 PM

Roger:

Yes, I do. What I see is the least effort needed to maintain useability and a minimum of order.

I don't know which posters you are talking about. I usually try to think of the issiues BEFORE I post. For example, I try to put clear, unambiguous titles on any thread I start. But I have every confidence that if I blow the rules by mistake, I can count on Joe to call me off base if I am, and I just say, Aw, heck; okay.

Why you see the various daemons you do in the same objective phenomena is, I think, a personal issue, not a community one.

I have nothing to add.

Come to think of it I already said that!

A

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Peace
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 01:27 AM

"Martin Gibson would tell you that you are all full of shit."

Martin at least had the balls to sign his name.

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 07:35 AM

Amos - I asked.

Do you still consider the ability of these volunteer fellow posters to impose their personal judgement upon the words of their fellow posters – without their knowledge or permission – for purposes only of clarity and 'indexing' – really be described as 'minimal'? What more real power over their fellow posters could they possibly require than this?

Amos replied

Yes, I do. What I see is the least effort needed to maintain useability and a minimum of order.

This answer slides from the original assessment of the extent of the ability - by you as minimal – to addressing a different issue entirely and using words that any 'spin doctor' would be proud of. You do not even attempt to explain what – if you consider this ability (to impose at will) is the minimum – what you (or we) could possibly consider to be the maximum…

Perhaps you were originally referring only to the effort required - on the part of those imposing – being and needing to be minimal? This need – not to place too much strain upon our volunteers – looks rapidly to becoming the primary concern on our forum…….

However, this is what you said - and which I have aked you to clarify.

The Clone Department has certain editorial abilities. They are minimal.


Why you see the various daemons you do in the same objective phenomena is, I think, a personal issue, not a community one.

That may well be the case – but you may agree that it takes - two-to tango. The assumptions made by certain volunteer fellow posters that cause the selective imposition of their personal judgement upon my contributions and not upon those of others – is defended publicly to this community as being impartial and NOT personally motivated. When it is obvious – to anyone who examines the evidence provided – that this judgement and editing is selective and personally motivated. That makes it very much a community issue and one that is not address and solved – will result in there being no more community.

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 08:08 AM

The (incorrect) assumptions and the pointless personal judgements resulting in the special treatment imposed upon one poster - based on these assumptions - is well demonstrated in this post.

http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=1539530

Please remember - the things referred to in this post are NOT facts. They are just the (perfectly valid) personal views of one fellow poster about another expressed in a conventional post and not made (this time) in a editing comment..

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 08:35 AM

By the way – In reference to Joe Offer's claim in the above linked post - that I have compared him with Hitler - I put The Shambles - Joe Offer and Hitler in the advance search and the only post that came-up was the following.

http://www.mudcat.org/Detail.CFM?messages__Message_ID=1499823

I agree with both the preceeding guests, I have only been around for about 4 years, but in that time I've seen people condemned and castigated for a lot less the Martin Gibson got away with. I was disappointed that Joe Offer seemed to excuse him while on the other hand crossing swords with The Shambles over much less offensive postings. I also found it funny that a lot of people seemed to excuse Martin's behaviour on the grounds that he was pretty knowledgable on some aspects of folk music, and anyway he was being rude mostly below the line, which some seem to regard as 'beyond the pale' anyway. That's a bit like saying you excuse Hitler because he was good with kids. As has been said MG should have been curbed long before he got to be the problem he has to quite a few people, and he did show up a weakness in the policing of this forum that I love.
Giok

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Amos
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 09:22 AM

I assure you with all the confidence I can muster, Sham, that if you are being singled out in some way it is directly coupled to the long history you have of upbraiding and calumniating those who are helping. Now I'm being a spin doctor, issit?   Oh and avoiding the issue as well, not addressing points you made, hmmm?

Well, sorry. I do what I can, but I see our time is up. Perhaps next week, eh?

A

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: gnu
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 09:36 AM

Hehehe... I just got back from me camp. And this thread is at the top of the BS section.... it is to laugh. Had a lovely time. The neighbours had their annual Games Day and there was a big crowd... even had a hoser all the way from The Big Smoke. Lots of booze and eats of all sorts and great banter and sing alongs around the roasring fire. I went to bed at midnight. The part I most enjoyed was singing on the porch of my camp at 05:10h. I wasn't even yelled at. Most of them had (have?) hangovers.

BTW... I didn't read any more of the posts to this thread.

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 10:02 AM

Thank you for quoting my post Roger but I can't see what validity it might have in proving you have been picked on unfairly, considering it was a critique of the lax policing of the MG phenomenon and not a complaint about policing of the Mudcat threads in general.
It's no good wasting your verbal diarrhoea on me Roger I can see right through your masochist posturing.
Giok

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Amos
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 10:14 AM

I received a PM today from Roger advising me that I was full of shit.

This was in response, I suppose, to my sarcasm in my last post.

I suppose when passive aggression fails, name-calling is an appropriate response, eh?

In any case, Sham's concerns about being picked on and about the unfairness of it all are no longer my concern IMO he is flailing in a web of his own design and refusing to take the most elementary responsibility for it. I have nothing to add to such a narcissistic viewpoint.


A

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 10:47 AM

Being FOS for all of us is only a matter of degree and not a matter of being 100%full or 100%empty.

I for one would like edit priviledges since my dyslexia makes it very difficult to write and spell correctly the first time around.

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 11:18 AM

Anyone know the old chestnut about the boy who cried 'repression'?

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 11:20 AM

gee, I see Roger does not like his rhetorical questions being answered simply!

My short, simple answer was totally serious. ~~~yes~~~ means that I, as well as most others, seem to think the editing IS minimal and not troubling.

I do **NOT** feel I receive special treatment. I try to exercise the restraint necessary to avoid the need for being edited. Try it.

This thread now demonstrates why I said that it would be folly for Max to get into a running debate with Roger about the issue. Shambles simply does not WANT any editing, any anonymity among the editing staff that he doesn't want, or any editing without permission by the editing staff that he doesn't want...etc...

No amount of discussion will change what he wants and doesn't want.

I suggest we just let him type till his fingers are sore, and quit responding unless there is something new.

*gritting my teeth and making resolution*

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 11:49 AM

I personally think that Max is probably laughing his socks off at all Roger's threads, and that is really what we should all be doing.
I bet the < > i / a href and = keys on Roger's keyboard are plumb tuckered out.
Giok ¦¬]

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 01:21 PM

I received a PM today from Roger advising me that I was full of shit.

Amos -

If you are going to go against the convention here of NOT making PMs public - perhaps you could either describe this personal message more accuratly or post it in full.

What I posted privately to Amos - was just what had already been posted publicly in this thread. Which was -

As our nameless guest said.

Martin Gibson would tell you that you are all full of shit.


This in a PM with the title of Smiles - may suggest that Amos has not only lost his sense of humour - but also that what he tries to suggest is the case to our forum - may be just as unreliable as his ability to read his PMs. One ability which I would suggest - has been demonstrated to be 'MINIMAL' *Smiles*

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 02:43 PM

My short, simple answer was totally serious. ~~~yes~~~ means that I, as well as most others, seem to think the editing IS minimal and not troubling.

Bill the answer you gave to the first question you first quoted was plainly absurd. The answer you have just given (above) to your own different question - may be worthy of being taken slightly more seriously by our forum but it was not the answer to the question actually being asked – was it? As quoted by you and then answered by you in the following post……

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Bill D - PM
Date: 20 Aug 05 - 11:34 AM

"Can the ability of these volunteer fellow posters to impose their personal judgement upon the words of their fellow posters – without their knowledge or permission – for purposes only of clarity and 'indexing' – really be described as minimal?"

~~~~yes~~~~
---------------------------------------------------------------
Bill If you do seriously expect our forum to accept that you do consider this ABILITY (to impose at will) is the minimum – perhaps you could tell us what you (or we) could possibly consider to be the maximum ABILITY? Perhaps the ABILITY to delete the whole post - before it even gets posted – or the ABILITY to go out and shoot the posters before they can even write it?

The ABILITY for anonymous volunteer posters impose their judgement upon offensive and abusive personal attacks is one thing – the ABILITY to do this when these elements are not a factor cannot be described seriously by anyone – except perhaps Stalin (or Bill D) – as a minimal ability.

That you may consider the current EXERCISE of this ABILITY on our forum is minimal – is one thing but it is not the same thing as saying you consider the ABILTY itself to be minimal. That is what Amos stated. The Clone Department has certain editorial abilities. They are minimal

Should being given the ABILITY to impose your personal judgement upon your fellow posters on our forum - be always recognised as the being given the maximum power possible? That this ABILITY now appears to be thought minimal and taken and exercised so lightly – is a serious concern for any poster who understood that the freedom to have one's words appear as posted on our forum (as long as these words were not offensive etc) was a given right.   

But it only needs one anonymous volunteer fellow to use this ABILITY when it is clearly seen to be personally motivated and selective – to discredit all the good work of our volunteers and the whole credibility of our forum.

A factor made even worse by the automatic justification and defence of this action – mainly by those who feel they will always be safe from such imposition. And just as importantly – the publicly encouraged reaction against any poster who is unfortunate to be subject to it and is foolish enough to request a different approach to be adopted.

Can we all just agree to return to being – 'fellow posters' again – drink the good wine together again and not just be given the dregs and pretend to ourselves that it really tastes just as good as the vintage use to?

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 02:48 PM

Help, help, I'm being opressed!

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 03:04 PM

Just because nobody's getting at you doesn't mean you can't feel paranoid if you want to.
G..

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Ebbie
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 03:52 PM

"Can we all just agree to return to being – 'fellow posters' again – drink the good wine together again and not just be given the dregs and pretend to ourselves that it really tastes just as good as the vintage use to?" The Shambles

I can, if you can, Roger. Let's.

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Janie
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 04:24 PM

From the DSM-IV Glossary of Specific Defense Mechanisms and Coping Styles. (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 4th edition.)

help-rejecting complaining: The individual deals with emotional conflict or stressors by complaining or making repetitious requests for help that disquise covert feelings of hostility or reproach toward others, which are then expressed by rejecting the suggestions, advice, or help others offer.

Also see definitions for delusion, ideas of reference, delusion of reference and overvalued idea, all found in the DSM-IV's Glossary of Technical Terms.

Roger probably can not make use of the help many are trying to offer--that is offering him the view of less distorted roadmaps of reality.

Me--I like hamsters.

Janie

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 07:12 PM

*breaking resolution briefly for clarification*

ABILITY??? I see....someone **MIGHT** get carried away and decide to edit or censor me. Well, I'll chance it. Can't see how the ABILITY to edit can be made partial, anyway. And Joe says that he & Jeff can always UNdelete a thread or overrule editing if the need arises.....so I'll live with it.

*back to resolution mode*

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: artbrooks
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 07:49 PM

I have the ability to go down to the local sporting-goods store and buy a pistol or rifle, and then I'd have the ability to walk up and down my street shooting at the neighbors' cats. Doesn't mean I ever would. Why would anyone ever care enough to edit/censor a routine discussion thread such as this one or its precursor, even as silly as they have gotten?

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: artbrooks
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 07:50 PM

Oops...back to the HTML practice page......

no worries:-)..fixed it for ya...just another joe clone

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 08:21 PM

Why would anyone ever care enough to edit/censor a routine discussion thread

Don't kid yourself there. In any place where posts are made, an opinion can be given that an "editor" does not like, eg. if you posted telling me what a nice honest chap Tony Blair is, a temptation within me if I had the power might say "delete that crap". Could happen to clones here if things got personal at them, etc.

The thing is if you are doing that sort of work which you have been entrusted to do, you leave any personal feeling out of it, Whether you care or not is irrelevant, Whether you are woking in line with site policy is relevant.

It's not about whether a person might care enough or not but whether they can distance feelings enough to do thier duty, a duty which could mean letting something stand you want to delete or deleting something you want to let stand. One trusts that people they appoint to carry out such tasks are up to that.

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 08:44 AM

And editing thread names for clarity, what's wrong with that?

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 08:49 AM

And STILL the persecutors of innocent hamsters go unpunished!

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: gnu
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 08:54 AM

Someone told me this hamster thread was back from all the drift and I see that it is. LH, point dastardly doers out and we'll organize a protest rally... a real big PITH up.

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 09:24 AM

I found this funny, but the I've always had an oddball sense of humour
Stress any syllable
G. ¦¬]

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 09:48 AM

MY hamsters are retired since Windows 3.1 was replaced and they no longer have to power the system! They are happily converting old cardboard tubes to mulch and looking over my shoulder as I read them "Happy Hamster" threads and tell them scary stories of how hard they'd need to run to keep up with 500+ threads about nothing in particular!

"Be good", I tell them, "or I'll make you run the wheel while I read ALL of Shambles posts!"

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 10:00 AM

By the way – In reference to Joe Offer's claim in the above linked post - that I have compared him with Hitler - I put The Shambles - Joe Offer and Hitler in the advance search and the only post that came-up was the following. (Shambles)

By the same silly procedure you could also claim that you never have called anyone a witchfinder, for a search with 'The Shambles' and 'witchfinder' only brings up two posts by Micca and a GUEST and none by you.

You did a search that could not find what it claimed to search for. A spurious argument was the consequence.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Amos
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 10:01 AM

It is also a verb:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/shambling


A

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 10:03 AM

Some feel that a spurious argument is better than no argument at all... ;-)

In fact, I know thousands of people who feel that way! My town is full of such people.

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 10:06 AM

"Some feel that a spurious argument is better than no argument at all... ;-)"

I know that kind of logic!
"The exception proves the rule...consequently, the more exceptions, the better the rule!"

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 10:18 AM

Hey Bill, that would be a great weight loss plan. From now on, any time I spend reading/composing this stuff-- it's out for a walk of at least equal length!

~S~

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 12:45 PM

Then too, there are specious arguments. I find those more compelling, on the whole, than spurious arguments. This is where George Bush needs help. He has shown great mastery of the spurious, but only a vague grasp of the specious.

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Bill D
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 12:56 PM

Susan...I have a GREAT exercise program....I have just linked it to my memory. The more I forget, the more I get to run back & forth and up & downstairs!

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: jeffp
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 01:00 PM

Bill, that's too true to be funny! Townhouse living is for the young.

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 01:06 PM

I always say, "My head will never save my legs" as I go back into the room I just left for the umpteenth time for whatever it was I went in there for in the first place!
Giok

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 01:19 PM

You did a search that could not find what it claimed to search for.

Amongst many claims made about me here by Joe Offer - that have proved to be untrue - he has additionally claimed that I have compared him to Hitler. As far as I can recall - I have not posted such a claim. I did the search to see if I could find a post where I may have done this - and I posted the result of that search.

If I ever did post such a comparison - I am sure Wolfgang that you will be able to find it for us.......

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: MMario
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 01:24 PM

you have several times made comparisions between the editing of Joe and the clones to the rise of the Nazi party. You may have never actually compared Joe to Hitler - but that certainly was what most people would infer from your comments.

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 01:27 PM

Boy, talk about making a mountain out of a molehill! LOL!

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 01:27 PM

Is he a monorchid then?
Giok

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 01:38 PM

Shambles / The Shambles (Click on 'History')
The way that fifteenth century buildings lean into the middle of the cobbled street means that the roofs almost touch in the middle So you could say The Shambles is 'over the top'

It is also interesting to notice the way the pavements on either side of the street are raised up, this was done to create a channel which the butchers would wash away their waste through; offal and blood would gush down Shambles twice weekly. And spouts all sorts of offal rubbish!

Nigel

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 02:22 PM

Just click on his name in any message he's posted, and you will receive a complete collection of everything Shambles has said on Mudcat. And not one word of it has been deleted, except for some of his more glaring duplications.
Joe Offer

The above statement posted on our forum (in a conventional post and not an editing comment and for the second time) is not true. I have asked for an apology and received the following reply – this time in an editing comment.

Yes, Roger, if you posted to one of those general brawl threads or Spam threads that was deleted, then your message was deleted along with it. That happened with a number of Martin Gibson threads, because it was impossible to separate the wheat from the chaff. If you wish to have copies of any of those messages, I will gladly send them to you, suitable for framing. I didn't find any of them just now - but if you tell me where they are....I didn't know you were in the habit of posting to Martin Gibson and Spam threads.[sigh]

And this again in an editing comment.

OK, Roger. I am so sorry for whatever you require me to be sorry for; and at the same time, I am especially sorry for whatever else I'm supposed to be sorry for. Does that make you happy? I DO want you to feel good about this.
....or was it Mmario or Big Mick or katlaughing or Catspaw that was supposed to be sorry? I'm so confused. What thing? What past?
Who cares?
-Joe Offer-

And this again in an editing comment.

No, Roger. I see no need to apologize. I haven't found any of your words that were deleted, although I concede that one or two of your 8,362 posts may have been deleted, if they were in a thread that was deleted. I did a quick check, and found none. It's not an all-encompassing check, but a quick check shows nothing. You're back to quoting out-of-context remarks from 2003 - comments that make very good sense when read in context. You've gone looney again. It's time to go back into your hole. Goodbye, Roger.
Maybe you just don't get it. It's worthwhile to respond to you when you're reasonably rational, when you address an actual issue. When you resort to two-year-old, out-of-context quotations and ad hominem attacks and one-in-a-million situations, you've gone too far, and there's no reasoning with you. Then it's not fun any more. Go hibernate, and come back when you're ready to be rational.

-Joe Offer-

It is quite obvious that Joe Offer has no idea how many or whether my words have been deleted or not. He does not now - seem very interested in correctly informing our forum – and he is still not prepare to apologise for wrongly but emphatically informing our forum – not once but twice – in reference to my postings that not one word of it has been deleted.

If remember correctly - Joe was quite pleased with the idea of being The Witchfinder General.

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Amos
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 02:27 PM

1. RE: Auschwitz and other mass murder - Jan 30 2005 3:42AM
"None of these actions will have changed the fact that this post (and possibly others) will have been placed on this forum open to the public.

Attempts by the Nazi's and others - to rewrite history are rightly being critised here, so are their attempts to limit individual freedoms, silence any opposing views and ultimately take total control through these methods. For these to succeed not only will have good folk done nothing to prevent it - many other good folk will have actively supported these methods - and for what they consider (or are told to consider) are the very best reasons....

Many posts here express how difficult it is to understand how we do these terrible things to our fellow human beings. If we are to ever understand this and most importantly to stop doing it - it is vital that we first enable all views to be expressed - no matter how offensive we may think them to be. I would go further and say that the more we all agree how offensive these views are - the more important it is that we ensure that they remain for all to see..... "



2. Subject: RE: BS: PBS to Censor Auschwitz Documentary
From: The Shambles - PM
Date: 22 Jan 05 - 05:11 PM

Again this preoccupation with the exact word for evil regimes. As if it really matters.

If you get bitten by a poisonous creature - and you wish to survive - it may be very important to know exactly what the species was - so as to be able use the correct anti-serum.

But other than that - debates about which one is more venomous than others matter little. As is probably enough to lump them together as posionous creatures and do your very best to avoid any contact with them or avoid creating any situations where these poisonous creatures can use their venom.

Any bite from any dictator is probably just as bad as a bite from a fascist dictator.....


I think this level of censorship is well-intended and perfectly acceptable..........

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Wolfgang
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 02:34 PM

It's not my task to find anything here, Shambles. I just did point out that your search could not find what it claimed and that therefore your argument based upon that search was faulty.

You posted the misleading information, you may correct it after doing the search correctly. If you don't know what you have done wrong after all those years here, PM me and I'll tell you.

Wolfgang