HI Max: What about Shambles requests?

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: MMario
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 03:01 PM

about Corridus, a hamster of being extrodiare, speak not you thus!

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Megan L
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 03:05 PM

bairns bairns if ye werny all sae far a wa id skelp yer chorus an send ye all tae bed withoot any supper. Oh boooogar it if ye dinny like the roundaboot go play on the swings.

As for you Little Hawk if ye bring thon dambed haimster intae this hoose again ah'll pit ye on the falmin wheel tae power this place :)

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: gnu
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 03:08 PM

Would a hamster, by any other name, be as Danety.

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Janie
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 03:12 PM

Oh!!! I was wrong, all wrong about the darling little creatures. Gnu, I owe you soooooooo much. I googled criticetinae. Apparently mommy hampsters will stuff babies in their mouths to protect them!!!

I've converted. Where do I send my dues?

LH--you may be overly concerned. Apparently some species of hamsters swim quite well, and fill their check pouches with air for flotation. THEY DON'T NEED NO STINKIN' LIFE JACKET. They probably pay good money to rent the boat--adrenalin rushes...that sort of thing.

Janie

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 03:38 PM

Harpy, have you considered counciling?

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 04:13 PM

I would have thought that shambles is quite capable of dealing with this himself, without any assistance. Why prolong the agony?


I love hamsters - anything the little darlings want to do is fine by me.

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 04:26 PM

I'd take Harpgirl more seriously (o.k.. seriously at all) if she didn't send abusive PMs..... As it stands, she's just a stupid bint...

(May as well sink to your level h-girl)

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: wysiwyg
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 04:27 PM

Let's give The Shambles a permathread to title and manage (gasp-- edit?!?!?!?) for himself.

~Susan

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 04:48 PM

Better... lets give shambles a kick up the arse with a frozen size 13 for being an idiot...

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: gnu
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 04:51 PM

I agree Susan. And may I suggest "Hamster Heaven" for the title. Now, I hope that the clones don't change that title without my permission. Or, I shall have to post to it to pontificate, proliferate, propogate, propitiate... oh, PITH on it.

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: katlaughing
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 04:51 PM

hg hurls as good as she gets...it's kind of funny to see her try to take the high road in this bullshit..."I hurt"....oh, please!

Shambles is delusional and needs help, but not your kind, hg!

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 04:59 PM

"I hope that the clones don't change that title without my permission"

Anything you post here is the 'property' of Mudcat... They will do with is as they please...

Don't like it? Get the FUCK OUT!

I mean for shits sake, where's the sense of perspective... to get this worked up over some cruddy little message board on a pimple of the butt of the puny 'folk' section of the internet?!?! Like anything that happens here matters in any way shape or form in the real world?!?!?

Get a damn life...

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 05:10 PM

"You have proven yourself by your comments to me and many others to be an insensitive boor. I'm not interested in your opinion."

Guess who sent me the above, and did'nt sign it or put any kisses on the bottom?

Giok ¦¬]

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 05:10 PM

You can't mean that, Clinton! I happen to know for a fact that your very sanity rests on this forum being up and running at least 4 days a week, and that you are under the impression you can't live without it!

(nod, wink)

My advice is, kick the habit. Get a hamster instead, and watch the little critter go through its antics. You'll have to stay up late at night for that, but it's worth it, believe me.

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Janie
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 05:14 PM

I dunno Giok. William Shatner?

Janie

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 05:24 PM

It wasn't Shatner. I just asked him.

He said, "It's true I'm not interested in his (Giok's) opinion. I couldn't care less. But I wouldn't call him an insensitive boor. Hell, I don't even know the guy."

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Raedwulf
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 05:26 PM

Only if he promises to stick solely to that thread & never pollutes any other. Then we can ignore it... Ahhhh... But that'd spoil his fun - the average squalling two year old attention seeker never likes being ignored!

Roger - This 'problem' is not resolvable because you're on the other side of it! Beneath your facade of 'reasonable debate', you will never accept anything other than complete & utter capitulation to your point of view. Much as I like you in other respects, on the matter of censorship, you know my opinion of you! :-/

You pretend to be willing to talk, but for so long as there is any hint of what you consider censorship, you will be whining about it. My comparison of you, on this topic, with a two year is less than semi-joking. You claim to want debate & compromise, but no compromise is possible. It's all or nothing for you, & most posters here seem to believe that your philosophy is a road to nothing. I agree. In my experience an uncontrolled board becomes a desert. Winds may blow across it from the margins, but nothing fruitful lasts within its borders. Of course, you don't see that, you only see your flourishing Paradise; not under your control, perhaps, but under your benign patronage without which it could not be...

The rest of us see dry, dusty sand, but you persist... Monomania is a wonderful thing, but being full of wonder is not always a plus, any more than miracles or luck are always good...

Harpgirl - in your own terms, since you don't like it, why don't you eff off? Apart from Roger, the rest of us seem to like MC just fine. But, I suppose, since we're bored & fed up with Roger's mindless repetitive clockwork drivel, we must also be soulless mannequins under the control of the evil empire? Right? {Rollseyes} (P.S. Yes, I'm being sarcastic, & if you stop being defensive & sensitive on someone else's behalf, you might just start to see how silly you look).

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 05:43 PM

"your very sanity rests on this forum being up"

My what? saaa... sssaaaan... saaaaaaniiteeee???

Never heard of it...

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: gnu
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 06:02 PM

Get the fuck out if I don't like it? Get a damn life? Clinton! Get a grip bud. Or, get a Bud. And read my post again.

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 06:06 PM

Gnu... I was just using what you said as 'parody' to make a point... the get a life was NOT aimed at you...

Bud? I'll buy if we drink beer instead o.k.?

(sorry for the misunderstanding... ahh the joys of text only communication eh?)

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Big Mick
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 06:17 PM

Harp, why do you insist on this shit??? Must I play Dulcinea to your Quixote? (Shut up, Spaw and Amos!!!!) This whole thread is phony. All anyone ever asked of Shambles was to take his bitch to Max. Go back and read. You will find a man who would not like it if folks quit picking on him. There have been times when no one responded a few days and he continued in a manner most desperate, IMO. He courts this. If your heart is to hurt, dearie, it should hurt for a poor soul in need of your professional services as well as a drug regimen. I say this without rancor. His posts are clear in what they demonstrate. Your starting this thread to speak for him almost suggests an enabling personality to me. He is plenty capable (as he demonstrates ad nauseum) of speaking for himself. It is the listening piece he objects to.

Mick

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 06:29 PM

Roger - This 'problem' is not resolvable because you're on the other side of it! Beneath your facade of 'reasonable debate', you will never accept anything other than complete & utter capitulation to your point of view.

There is nothing like setting your expectations high - that does not mean that you may not be prepared to be realistic and settle for a little bit less. But the factor you are missing is when the other side is being totally unrealistic and not prepared to move at all - and more damagingly - prepared to watch the whole edifice they claim to be protecting - be torn apart by encouraging the resulting divisions.

Joe's wish now to 'index', 'consolidate' 'prefix', 'clarify' and generally try to control the postings of others - can be undertaken without the need for him to claim that thread titles are for him to impose changes on - as and when he wishes to. Or try and obtain general approval for his wish to do this.

I don't consider that Joe's clear wish to impose his personal judgement upon the contributions of his fellow posters - in order to 'clarify' - to be more important than the wishes of posters to have their words - as posted. They may of course agree to any proposed changes - if asked?

I also don't accept that presenting Joe and his fellow volunteers with the requirement to first ask posters before they impose any changes upon their fellow posters is too 'cumbersome' nor that avoiding inconvenience to our (anonymous) volunteers should now be thought to be the prime consideration of our forum.

These will remain my views and if I really need to - in order to inform posters of the reality of what lies behind the 'spin' and to try and return to the friendly and tolerant spirit and equal treatment to all posters that used to be taken for granted on our forum - I will continue to express and evidence this. Using moderate language and without mounting any abusive persaonal attacks. Posters can completely ignore this - if they wish to.

But it seems to be a lot more fun to follow the poor example now being set by our volunteers and their supporters and to post only to make personal judgements of fellow posters.....Sadly with all of this - it is going to take a lot of effort to put the genie back in the bottle - but I still think that it is worth the effort to try.

Any help will be much appreciated.

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: katlaughing
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 06:35 PM

Mick...take his bitch to Max who IS she, hg?:-)

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 06:35 PM

Then start your own message board shambles...

and stay there

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Janie
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 06:38 PM

Dear Max,

    Is it true that William Shatner tilts at windmills, riding a chimpanzee, wearing lace panties, a beer in one hand, with a hamster jammed in his front shirt pocket, jaw pouches full inflated to serve as an airbag? And can you confirm the wild rumor that you recently 'mooned' a certain Mudcatter?

    Answer quickly please. Inquiring minds and the Society for the Ethical Treatment of Hamsters want to know.

Janie

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: catspaw49
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 06:41 PM

Seriously Mr. Paramedic...........I was just sitting at my computer reading along and suddenly the image of a friend dressed as Dulcinea came over me and I seem to have blacked out........Why is the room rotating?.........No I don't do drugs although I'm now considering it..............

Spaw

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: gnu
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 06:43 PM

I did not read your post Shambo. I was petting my hamster. Ya gotta have priorities, eh?

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 06:51 PM

Where do you want help shambles?

If it is over an opion given from Max to clarify matters, I think I've reached the point where I would support you. Although I'd still think you pretty spineless for not at least attempting to PM him first.

If on the other hand for example your point is over what I can only read as Mudcat's (ultimately Max's) position over indexing and moving, I would be in an impossible position as if my view over anything counted, I would support the position and openly say I do move, combine. etc. elsewhere...

That said, I'm not convinced any debate opening

"Joe's wish now to 'index', 'consolidate' 'prefix', 'clarify' and generally try to control the postings of others"

Is worthy of thought. A slight rewording even to

"Mudcat's wish now to 'index', 'consolidate' 'prefix', 'clarify' and generally try to control the postings of others"

might (and I'm not sure it would be) worthy of debate for some for gathering of opinion.

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Janie
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 06:52 PM

And what happens when he misses the windmill and slams into Big M- er-I mean-Dulcinea? Do the jaw pouches offer enough protection? Offer? Did I say Offer? Did you say that windmill is named in honor of Joe Offer?

I am soooo confuuuuuuused! Beam me up, Scotty.

J.

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Janie
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 06:54 PM

Scotty--forget that last request. I kinda like this craziness!

Janie

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Amos
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 07:01 PM

The use of the expression "generally control" is inaccurate and designed only to stir others up.

There has been no indication any control except the most ordinary cosmetic and qutidien matters. Naming a thread a Song Challenege in which the author invites others to write a song is so normal as to be sleep-inducing. Yet here, in Wonderland, it is like the little Eat Me cake which blows things up to Brobdingnagian scale.

This is the plainest sort of passive aggression, hiding behind a very thin veneer of rationality which while rationalized is not actually rational, IMHO.

A

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: catspaw49
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 07:10 PM

"This is the plainest sort of passive aggression, hiding behind a very thin veneer of rationality which while rationalized is not actually rational, IMHO"

Could be Amos....Could be. Or else he's just a broke-dick mamalucca contemplating his own asshole.

Ya' know he IS so much fun to "abuse" because it is just that.......fun!!! He has been carrying on this tirade for years and admits he will not quit until it all goes HIS way. So what the fuck........Might as well kick him in the balls.....if you can find any.

Spaw

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 07:11 PM

Harpgirl - in your own terms, since you don't like it, why don't you eff off? Apart from Roger, the rest of us seem to like MC just fine. But, I suppose, since we're bored & fed up with Roger's mindless repetitive clockwork drivel, we must also be soulless mannequins under the control of the evil empire? Right? {Rollseyes} (P.S. Yes, I'm being sarcastic, & if you stop being defensive & sensitive on someone else's behalf, you might just start to see how silly you look).

While I am not sure that it is a good idea to adopt the questionable methods of those who abuse others in such language - that is not to say that I have not been sorely tempted to do the same. But the idea that I (and others) may not like the Mudcat is plainly absurd.

Cheap and corked plonk - may taste OK to those who have only ever been served up with this - it will hardly be drinkable to those who have been used to the real thing. Perhaps we will all be able to taste the real vintage stuff again? Perhaps then we will not take it for granted but cherish it this time.

But if you are bored - simply don't read it. End of.........

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Cluin
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 07:22 PM

I sure hope they don't get you to write up the Policies & Procedures manual for Mudcat, Shambles. Your circular thinking makes me dizzy.

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Janie
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 07:30 PM

And don't forget to check out the cool recipes in the Mater's and Squash thread below. Oh, and Dulcinea--you can stuff your bra with ripe tomatoes to carry off the part. They feel almost real;^)

Janie

(Let's see....I am being irreverent, or simply irrelevent.......hmmmm.........gotta' go back to school on that one.)

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Janie
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 07:32 PM

I tell ya' guys, I'm usually really good at causing a thread to wither away to nuthin'. Happens more times than not when I post to a thread. Hope I haven't lost my touch....

J

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Cluin
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 07:37 PM

Here's hopin'...

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Amos
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 08:04 PM

Here's an alternative notion.

Leave Max out of it.

He's nobody's Dad around here, kids. We can quibble all day if we want -- I sure don't -- or we can find a reasonable compromise.

ASSUMING such a thing is possible.

The Clone Department has certain editorial abilities. They are minimal. Evidently, Shambles feels they should be nil -- that only "fellow posters" in our great cybercommune should have the power to allow any changes.

This of course would defeat the purpose of having such authority, which was made necessary by wicked anti-social shitheads in the past. It is the anti-social, above all else who have changed the mood and flavor here, not the volunteers. The problem was not created by the volunteers, it was created by juveniles and a**holes. Or by spammers, who will never approve of having their threads deleted or marked as unwanted commercial spam. So the notion of asking people if you can edit their stuff is totally extraneous to the reason for needing to do any editing in those categories -- of course their harmful intentions are such that they would decline. IF they were sane enough to accept such a modification, they wouldn't be writing scurrilous invalidations

Correcting typos? Adding a prefix to a thread name? These are NOT SUBSTANTIVE FACTORS. They improve communication EVEN if they annoy the original author who WAS NOT RESPONSIVE to a common good through some sort of oversight, or error, or unawareness. Pride of authorship is one thing, if you have written carefully and well, but thread pre-fixes are below the par and should not even be noticed. This isn't the Library of Congress, for cry-i -- it's a voluntary discussion site!

So how do we bridge this insistent, droning gap?

1. Well, we could make it personal and just give Sham his own unedited thread. I don't think that is his point though.

2. Or we could just say -- to hell with it, the present standard is good enough for 99.5% of us, let it ride as it is. That has certainly been my feeling so far.

3. We could tabulate a vote to formalize the process, assuming we could persuade Joe and Max -- who have the actual power over the matter at hand -- to accede to such a decision.

4. We could ignore it and hope it dies out. Just paint it black and close our ears.

5. We could articulate the exact protocols and formal specification of when any post or thread may or may not be changed and by whom. That has already been pretty well tried in the FAQ.

6. We could say, "This is not a community under law, but a community under the free willing participation of anyone who participates" and on that basis let the current situation continue indefinitely, being shaped by its participants, of which I will no longer be one as far as this subject goes; expecting it will sooner or later evolve one way or the other -- toward understanding or toward oblivion. That's kind of the default value. If that's the one we go with, as has been the case hitherto, I only hope it evolves sooner rather than later.
Unless something new gets said on it, I think I have plumb run out of comments to make!


A

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: catspaw49
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 08:23 PM

Hey Amos.....How about if we ask Joe or a clone to delte and move to an archived thread, ANY Shambles post that contains no new info.....LOL

Spaw

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 09:27 PM

" Leave Max out of it."

Bull... it's HIS message board... That MAKES it his responsibility whether he wants to acknowledge it or not...

I'll tell ya, if I was him, Mudcat would be the best kept secret on the whole internet...

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Amos
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 09:30 PM

What is his responsibility, CH? To act to intercede over Shambo's discontent? Why would he?

A

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: gnu
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 10:02 PM

Max don't owe anyone any explanation for anything, even though most everything has already been beat to death. And he don't owe anyone shit in the first place.... conversely... youse him.

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: gnu
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 10:03 PM

Oops... youse 'owe' him.

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: The Shambles
Date: 20 Aug 05 - 09:11 AM

Here's an alternative notion.

Leave Max out of it.

He's nobody's Dad around here, kids. We can quibble all day if we want -- I sure don't -- or we can find a reasonable compromise.

ASSUMING such a thing is possible.

Amos when the assumption is made that the problem is a non problem or it is only one poster that is the problem – posters could just ignore it. But when the solution is seen by our volunteers to post and encourage endless personal judgements – abusive personal attacks – foul language, name calling, threats, and assessments of every aspect of the perssonality of a fellow poster who they have never met. A poster who does not respond in kind but just tries to express and evidences their personal view on a public discussion forum set aside on Max's site – for that purpose. And when very few poster actually address the reality of the problem – there is very little chance of us all ever finding any real solution to a very real problem. For encouraging all this personal judgement and resulting division - IS the problem.

Amos - I welcome your late arrival to making some attempt at a solution to all this division - a solution that is more than possible – where there is a will. For a solution and an end to all this personal judgement - is not only possible – it is vital. But before much positive input can be added by our forum – the answers to certain question need to be openly provided to our forum as secrecy in these matters only leads to damaging speculation.

The Clone Department has certain editorial abilities. They are minimal. Evidently, Shambles feels they should be nil -- that only "fellow posters" in our great cybercommune should have the power to allow any changes.

1. Who are 'The Clone Department' now?

2. How many of them are there now?

3. Is it really so helpful or proportionate now - for any of these fellow posters to have the choice of being anonymous?

Amos –

Can the ability of these volunteer fellow posters to impose their personal judgement upon the words of their fellow posters – without their knowledge or permission – for purposes only of clarity and 'indexing' – really be described as minimal? What more real power over their fellow posters could they possibly require than this?

My view is not as you state – it is that many changes of course can be made to any contribution– with the originator's permission or possible at their request. But where the concern is only one of clarification - and stated to be in order to be helpful to our forum's readers – is it really now proportionate for such changes be imposed upon the words of our forum's contributors – without their knowledge or permission? When the attempt to always obtain permission first would be so easy to undertake and all posters would then again be seen to be receiving the equal treatment that has been customary (until recently) on our forum?

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 20 Aug 05 - 09:29 AM

Looks like somebody's name has been added to the 'Most favoured' list. He he
G..

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Amos
Date: 20 Aug 05 - 10:30 AM

all posters would then again be seen to be receiving the equal treatment that has been customary (until recently) on our forum?

I am pretty sure that is more or less the case now, Shambo. THis desire for equal treatment of all posters is a granfalloon. All posters are equal. But some posts are not.


A

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Aug 05 - 10:36 AM

I have seen a great many posts in my life, and they are clearly not all equal. My neighbour has three that are falling down, sadly in need of repair.

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: Bill D
Date: 20 Aug 05 - 11:34 AM

"Can the ability of these volunteer fellow posters to impose their personal judgement upon the words of their fellow posters – without their knowledge or permission – for purposes only of clarity and 'indexing' – really be described as minimal?"



~~~~yes~~~~

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: JennyO
Date: 20 Aug 05 - 12:01 PM

and.........

Subject: RE: HI Max: What about Shambles requests?
From: JennyO
Date: 20 Aug 05 - 12:02 PM

100!