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Nancy King 19 Aug 05 - 09:18 PM
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karen k 19 Aug 05 - 09:44 PM
Ebbie 19 Aug 05 - 09:53 PM
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Janie 19 Aug 05 - 10:30 PM
Dani 19 Aug 05 - 11:32 PM
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John MacKenzie 20 Aug 05 - 07:51 AM
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Ferrara 08 Oct 05 - 07:52 PM
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Tinker 08 Oct 05 - 10:14 PM
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MMario 09 Oct 05 - 10:13 AM
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Bill D 09 Oct 05 - 11:56 AM
John MacKenzie 09 Oct 05 - 01:12 PM
Ferrara 09 Oct 05 - 01:40 PM
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Bill D 10 Oct 05 - 11:22 AM
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John MacKenzie 10 Oct 05 - 11:40 AM
Bill D 10 Oct 05 - 11:53 AM
Janie 10 Oct 05 - 12:00 PM
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Subject: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Nancy King
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 09:18 PM

OK, all you Getaway-goers, here's your chance to tell us what you want! The Getaway Program Committee (Carly Gewirz, Rita Ferrara, and myself, with some help from several others) is hard at work planning for your pleasure, and we need your input.

If you've been to the Getaway before, you know that our program is very inclusive and participatory -- "we have met our leaders and performers and they are us."

The first thing we need is a clear idea of who's coming, what kinds of music they like, and what special interests they have. We will be contacting some of you, and some FSGW people, individually, but we're hoping this thread will also generate some ideas. We have some ideas of our own, of course, but we want to add everything into the mix, pull out the best, and end up with something fabulous!

So, if you're definitely coming, post to this thread and tell us what kinds of music you like to play and/or sing and/or listen to, what kinds of jams and open sings you enjoy, and if you have an idea for a workshop you'd like to attend or lead. If you've been to past Getaways, mention workshops you'd like to see repeated (or not). If you have a special interest you'd like to share, mention that too -- it's especially helpful when people have several interests and are willing to fit in wherever we need them! If you prefer, you can PM any of us, though Carly and I will both be out of town and out of touch at various times in the next few weeks.

Please keep in mind that we're still in an information-gathering phase -- we can't begin to firm up plans until we have more information, and there are many factors to consider in programming (personnel, available space and time, balance, etc.), so we can't promise at this point that any given workshop will happen, or say who will lead what. What we can promise is that you'll have a marvelous time! We'll post details later when things get firmed up.

If you'd like a good description of the Getaway's atmosphere and program, take a look at this post from Rita last year. To look at last year's program, you can click to see Saturday's and Sunday's schedules.

So -- over to you!

Looking forward to seeing you in October,
Nancy


P.S. Don't forget to send in your registration SOON!


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Amos
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 09:28 PM

So, if you're definitely coming, post to this thread and tell us what kinds of music you like to play and/or sing and/or listen to, what kinds of jams and open sings you enjoy

I'm all booked and registered, Nancy -- I hope the registration arrived ok.

Me, I play a wide variety of songs backed up by finger style guitar -- some love songs, some bawdy songs, some Folk Scare standards, some old Frank Warner stuff, some blues picked up here and there, a lot of IRish (mostly cantankerous-type) songs and a score of good chanties and whaling songs' a bunch of middlin' bluegrass and old-time music, a few French songs, a couple of Israeli songs, some cowboy and railroad and gambling songs, some South African Mirais and Miranda numbers... it's pretty much of an eclectic collection, I guess, but I like it that way. A few songs of my own devising here and there -- there was a Mudcat Radio program with a bunch of Mudcat songs on it also.

I love listening to anyone who is willing to open up and sing with their throat and heart open.

A


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: karen k
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 09:44 PM

I'm definitely coming but I haven't sent my registration in yet. Gospel and ballads are my favorites but I like most anything. I'm bringing Noreen Keene and Stewart Reynolds from England with me. I don't know if they have registered yet but I know that their flights are booked.

Can't wait. This year is going to be amazing. Will think about workshop ideas. I'm thinking a tribute to Helen Schneyer might be nice.

Bring it on.

karen


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 09:53 PM

KT and I have sent in our registrations and moneys and I can hardly wait! There will such a richness... Last year was fabulous- and this year promises to be just an enhancement.

Amos, I'm so happy I'll get to meet and hear you. And I want to find out how you come up so quickly with verse!

There are so many people I'm looking forward to seeing and meeting and hearing and- oh, joy.

Nancy, you had great workshops last year- but time got unaccountably compressed. Please get your committee to work on how to s t r e t c h it. You can do it, I know you can.

Oh, and this year, see if you can put in the order to get the ambient air slightly warmer. Last year you forgot. :)


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Bobert
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 10:20 PM

Heat...


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Janie
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 10:30 PM

For myself, I tend to prefer participatory or sing-around workshops--maybe 'cuz I just sing for love and the fun of it--and what I love most about the Getaway is the sharing.

Some random ideas:

Songs of celebration
Great songs we never sing anymore
The Songs of Woody Guthrie
Campfire songs
Songs of the Family
Songs of the Sacred (much broader than Christian gospel)
Occupational Songs
Anything Goes

And of course--hobos, tramps, trains, labor movement, peace movement,
humor, jug, skiffle, blues, love, death, Mom, assorted wars, home states....there never is a dearth of ideas from which to choose, is there?

Janie


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Dani
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 11:32 PM

Bobert, I suspect we'll have to make our own heat, as usual.

Though I haven't sent in my registration yet, I plan to be there, with Janie (right, Janie?) and probably with my two daughters as well. Anyone else bringing their kids? Mine aren't thrilled with the music, though willing to come (thanks for the nudge, Nancy). One of them likes to sing along once in a while, and one could care less and will be off doing her own thing. Both are looking forward to meeting y'all, but happy to let those crazy grownups do their thing.

I love almost any kind of 'folk' music, especially unaccompanied (mostly 'cause I don't play and have to sing mostly to/by myself). I'm liable to sing anything along with anyone, anytime. Especially enjoy:

rowdy, rousing choruses, and most gospel, especially spirituals

sea songs and shanties, work songs

anything that tells a timeless good story

blues, and the intersection of sacred and secular music


Due to bad Getaway influences, I have been developing a weird taste for the jugband genre, mostly because it gives me an outlet to play the kazoo: the only instrument I have mastered, to date.

Successful workshops I've experienced in the past have been those that bring together a group of people who want to truly indulge tastes that might otherwise be marginalized (songs to different tunes, bawdy songs, LOUD songs, rousing choruses, etc) and who have a whole bunch of songs to share that fit the bill. I love the idea of clinics (singing, setting up sound, etc.), but almost always give them up when faced with the chance to just sing!

Dani


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Amos
Date: 20 Aug 05 - 12:34 AM

Dani:

rowdy, rousing choruses, and most gospel, especially spirituals

sea songs and shanties, work songs

anything that tells a timeless good story

blues, and the intersection of sacred and secular music


That's the perfect stuff!! The exact right perfect stuff.

If you're gonna make heat, I'm in line. :D


A


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 20 Aug 05 - 07:51 AM

A discussion on didgeridoo entitled 'Is the didgeridoo the new Bodhran?'
or just 'The Blowrhan is it all wind and spit?' This thought is engendered by the bewildering numbor of these instruments for sale a Sidmouth and Broadstairs Folk Festivals.
Booking form in post money paid via Dick Greenhaus.
See y'all in the fall
Giok ¦¬]


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: CET
Date: 20 Aug 05 - 08:05 AM

I love songs that deliver a strong, dramatic punch which is why I tend to gravitate towards material that is spooky, violent, grim and bloodthirsty. ("spooky, violent, grim and bloodthirsty" - it just occurred to me that might make a good workshop!) However, I do have some songs with no body count at all.

How about a workshop called "I learned it from ..." for songs that you learned in person from another human being, rather than from a recording?

Edmund


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: jacqui.c
Date: 20 Aug 05 - 08:13 AM

Try keeping me away!

I have a special interest in traditional English folk songs and parodies.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Bobert
Date: 20 Aug 05 - 08:14 AM

Okay, I knew we weren't gonna get no heat but...

...how 'bout a little Romaine lettuce in the salad?

Bobert


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Micca
Date: 20 Aug 05 - 08:50 AM

CatsPHiddle and I will be there booking forms will be sent in soon(probably in a week or so after Towersey) and Payment is being arranged through Dick Greenhaus.
As to workshops.. since Amos, El Greko, MMario, Big Mick, Skarpi, and a number of other songwriters will be there how about a workshop in which a writer presents a song with an intro as to how and why it was written? I would very happily assist in/chair that one!!
Also I really enjoyed the Parodies workshops I have participated in on my previous visits,(and I STILL want MMarios "Rudolf" Parody!!) and would happily participate/lead one of those._


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Nancy King
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 12:30 AM

Great stuff! Keep it coming!


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: skarpi
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 06:23 AM

Wowww, ? bahhhhh ææææææj´æjæjæjæa.hopefully I can bring Rósa with me
so we can play some diffrent kind of music , but if not I do on my own
that means that will be simble performing, if Rósa comes we can do
some Hardangursfiddlestunes and song with that great Instrument .
but I on my own will just do some Icelandic folksongs I´ll
think I´ll leave the Irish ones for you all, you do better than I do.

I see this is gonna be a great weekend in October so I am looking
forward to it , I might learn something out of all this , or least
I hope so .

All the best Skarpi Iceland.

I like all kind of music "Mostly "


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Leadfingers
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 06:35 AM

Registration is in the post - Including an offer to do a whistle workshop ! I believe I am already booked for the Blues band and look forwardto a fair amount of Assorted songs and Tunes . I will only be bringing the mandolin and the banjola as well as whistles , so will be looking for the loan of a guitar or banjo occasionally !!


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 06:52 AM

Anti war songs workshop possibly, not just 'Ye masters of War' but 'Johnny I Hardly knew Ye', 'Mrs McGrath' and quite a few Eric Bogle songs.
Giok


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Janie
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 04:12 PM

Nancy et. al.

I was conversing with another 'catter about our love of spirituals, gospel, etc. While we really enjoy the Sunday morning gospel sing-along, it definitely has the feel of a worship service to it (nothin' wrong with that, mind you) and it would be nice to have another workshop at another time that allowed for a little different take--spirituals--songs about hard-living that are rooted in spirituals or the blues--can't quite put into words what the difference with the gospel sing would be--can some one help me out here?

Janie


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Ebbie
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 04:56 PM

Janie, I know what you mean. I think. To me gospel is fun- and there's a w i d e range of songs to present and hear. The other kind of 'Sunday Singalong' tends to have more 'hymns' and 'serious' themes. As you said, there's nothing wrong with that - it's just not my favorite.

To me, songs like 'I'll Not Be a Stranger' (I'm acquainted with folks over there), 'Shelter of His Arms', 'Light at the River', 'Will You Miss Me When I'm Gone', 'My Old Cottage Home', and lots, lots more, are fun to sing and to learn. All have a chorus, and they become rousing anthems.

I would happily go to and participate in both.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Barry Finn
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 11:35 PM

Justine & I will diffenitly be there, just have to do some planning. Justine will probably do a small bit of singing here or there. I on the other hand will hopefully be roaring by then. I'm pretty sure you know that you can use me however you want to but I'm not sure about leading for now. So I don't care if you use me, abuse me, ignore me or hook & dump me. I just count my lucky stars that we can be there & meet all those new & old faces & hear all those new & old voices.

LOL


Barry


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: number 6
Date: 21 Aug 05 - 11:39 PM

Excuse my ingnorance ... but where and when is the 'Getaway'?

sIx


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Nancy King
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 12:19 AM

Thanks, all, this is great! We're getting some really good ideas here! Some of them are similar to ideas we've already had, others are new. Now, let's hear from everyone!

Barry -- IGNORE you??!! I doubt it! You may be hugged to death! Seriously, we're thrilled you'll be with us, and the chance to meet Justine makes it that much better!

Number 6 -- The Getaway is the Folklore Society of Greater Washington's annual weekend-in-the-woods, attended by many local Washington folkies and an increasing number of Mudcatters from -- well, from everywhere! This year's event will be held Friday evening October 14 through Monday morning October 17, 2005, though not everyone will have the stamina (or the free time...) to be there from beginning to end. The site is Camp Ramblewood, in Darlington, Maryland, USA, not far from Interstate 95 and the Susquehanna River. You can find out more about it here , or just put "Getaway" into the search box on the forum page, and you'll get more than you bargained for.

Nancy


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: SINSULL
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 07:52 AM

I'll be there.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: kendall
Date: 22 Aug 05 - 08:51 AM

Leadfingers, I will bring my banjo and two guitars. Any of them will be available to you.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: GUEST,Kathy Westra
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 12:59 AM

I'm planning on it and have found a cheap roundtrip ($34 each way) on Southwest from manchester, NH. Looking forward to seeing you all!


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Noreen
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 03:46 AM

Hi all! Having moved house and just got back on line I can start contributing again.

We are both looking forward to being with you all, I've told Stewart so much about the Getaway and Getaway folks that now he's even more excited about the whole thing than I am, if that's possible!

I'll volunteer to run an Irish Traditional Song /Singing workshop of whatever variety you require, and hopefully Rita can get to it this time :0)

Barry- I am so glad that you and Justine will be there, after all you have been through. Join me in the workshop as before and you can do as much or as little as you like.

Dani, Stewart is brushing up his rowdy, rousing chorus songs, sea songs and shanties amongst others, so he'll be glad that they'll go down well in singarounds.

Noreen
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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Janie
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 11:14 PM

Gettin' kinda low on the page....refresh


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: GutBucketeer
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 12:38 AM

Nancy:

I will definitely be there. I've sent Max a PM on doing a Jug/Skiffle workshop again and I'm waiting for his reply. I'm also checking with Special Ed. Of course that all depends on whether people want to bring that crazy music back one more year :-)

JAB


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 07:53 AM

I like Edmund's idea of "Songs I Learned From . . ." -- especially lately when it seems more and more of us are singing somgs we learned from people no longer around to sing them anymore.

Tom and I will finally get to the Getaway this year!

Linn


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Ferrara
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 03:43 PM

These are all really helpful comments. As usual we are getting off to a gradual (read "slow") start, complicated by summer and fall vacations etc. We do know that people like to get an idea of what the program will look like. Can't offer any timeline now though, except to guarantee that it won't be here as early as you would like .

Get those registrations in folks. It takes a load off Charlie's mind and lets us do some earlier planning.

Barry -- what Nancy said! The one thing I can't imagine is that people will ignore you at ANY Getaway much less this year! "Hugged to death," like she said, maybe. We are looking forward tremendously to a chance to meet Justine. Come and reel on the keel and roar on the shore and we'll hope no stormy winds will blow, 'cause far as I'm concerned last year's chills were enough Getaway Weather to last us a while.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: DonMeixner
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 04:28 PM

Alright I'm trying to adjust my schedule so I can attend. What is the absolute latest I can register and how much for one? For Two?
Cost of craft space?

And I'd put in a vote for "Anglo Concertina for the Rank Beginner whose Connie has emphysema."

Don Meixner


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Sorcha
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 04:31 PM

I ain't volunteerin for nuttin!


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Charlie Baum
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 05:26 PM

DonMeixner--

Go to the getaway registration form (http://fsgw.org/photos/2005GetApp.pdf), and you will see how much for one or two depending on whether you're an FSGW member or not and how long you're coming for). Can you let us know by the beginning of October? We need to tell the camp how many meals to prepare at least a week in advance. Craft space--Ferrara will chime in on this one, but in the past FSGW has asked only for a donation of a percentage of your sales.

--Charlie Baum


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Big Mick
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 06:18 PM

Charlie, Nancy, Rita, Carly, et al, I will be there and willing to help in any way you see fit.

All the best,

Mick


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: DonMeixner
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 09:52 PM

Hi Charlie,

Thanks for the link. I can let you all know by the first of October.

Don


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Fortunato
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 10:00 PM

susette and I will be ferrying the micca and catspizzle, but we will be, as always, daytrippers, badges appreciated, nonetheless. No meals are necessary or accomodations, etc.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Ferrara
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 11:00 PM

Selling crafts and CD's:

We have a room, next to the dining room, where you can display crafts or CD's for sale. CAMSCO and Folk Legacy often have tables there and that's where we hold the Silent Auction. Check with Judy O, Charlie, Rita, Carly or Nancy when you arrive for where you can lay out your stuff for sale.

There is no fee for this. At the end of the Getaway last year, most crafters and others who had sales made a donation of 5% of their sales. Most of them earmarked the donation for the Getaway scholarship fund.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Barry Finn
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 04:08 PM

Thanks Rita & Nancy for the kind & welcoming words.


Hi Noreen, thanks for the invite to sit in & join you on your workshop. I'd love to, I was pretty impressed with you the 1st time around. If you're covering a perticular area would you let me know so I don't walk in cold either by PM or finfam4@comcast.net

Thanks again

Barry


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Crane Driver
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 04:42 PM

Carole and I will be there too (will there really be more Brits than Americans this year?)

Some of you know that my interest is in writing songs in the style and on the subjects of traditional songs, so I'll second Micca's suggestion above and I'll be pleased to assist.

Carole's keen on gospel and we both like things with good rousing choruses, so I'm sure we'll find plenty we'll enjoy.

Looking forward to seeing you all.

Andrew & Carole


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: CarolC
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 05:06 PM

If Skipjack K8 is there, and if I am there, I would definitely take an accordion workshop with him if he would be willing to lead one.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: jacqui.c
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 05:11 PM

I would love to co-host a parody workshop with Micca, if it can be arranged.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Bill D
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 05:29 PM

(don't think it is likely there will be more Brits than Americans....we have 50-60 local folk who never post on Mudcat who usually come)

We are getting WAY more diversified since Mudcat began drawing so many new folks from all over, which is a great thing...but sometimes a bit surprising to those who don't read all these threads and get in on the pre-planned jokes, etc...*grin*...
   The FSGW Getaway has always been a combination of local members, plus regular appearances from good friends from up & down the East coast of the US. The last 5-6 years have seen a real infusion of new ideas and talent, but it's good to remember that there will be those who have never heard of you, but need only a little "hello" and a few shared songs to get acquainted fast!

This one will no doubt be the most eclectic bunch ever assembled for our little weekend, with more than enough talent & ideas to do 3 Getaways! (I'd like to see it go an extra day sometime!) Who knows?


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: DonMeixner
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 05:58 PM

So how many usually come to the weekend? Was it stated someplace and did I miss it?

Don


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Bill D
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 06:07 PM

has varied from 135-185, depending on the year, cost, which weekend, etc...(including kids)


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: GUEST,Roger in Baltimore
Date: 25 Aug 05 - 06:08 PM

Marge and I have not registered, but we will be there unless the Good Lord decides otherwise. I am open to helping out in the workshops or any other artistic contributions you might need. Lots of new Mudcatters, eh? Sounds so wonderful.

Roger in Baltimore


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: KT
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 11:23 AM

Registration's in the mail. airline tickets reserved, permission granted for time off work (or, it may be forgiveness) working on rides and gear....we're almost there!! Yahoo!! I don't know exactly when we'll arrive, (sometime on Friday) but I'll be glad to pitch in where it's needed. All of the workshops were wonderful last year, so I'll be happy with whatever is presented. Can't wait to see everyone!


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Amos
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 11:36 AM

Assuming all the pieces are in place I will be paging for "Catters in search of a ride" candidates to the Getaway from BWI Airport around 4:15 to 4:30 Friday afternoon.

I can offer a couple of "songs I wrote because of...."after Micca's suggestion. La! What a cotillion this will be!

A


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Fortunato
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 12:05 PM

KT, sounds like you're going to miss Thursday's Up the Micca's songfest, I am much chagrined.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway fund raiser suggestion
From: MMario
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 12:08 PM

here's a suggestion - since there are people coming in from all over the heck and gone...

What about a "CD Grab Bag" where anyone can donate a CD - not necessarily new - but in usable shape - and anyone for a nominal fee (say $2 or even $1) can take one out. Probably want to collect CD's on Friday and saturday morning and have it avaialable for "purchasing" on Saturday Afternoon and Sunday.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 12:37 PM

you might have to draw numbers for first choice....the "first come, first served" rule can lead to unseemly behavior...*grin*


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Dani
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 02:11 PM

Yeah, but you never know what these crackpot folkies will want to hear... or are done with! Witness the books that show up in the auction. I like this idea, and would bring a pile. I would, however, add a box, and accept donations for each, with a $___ minimum.

Dani


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: MMario
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 02:17 PM

Dani - that's why I suggested the grab bag...*grin* you pays your buck, takes your chances - don't like your choice, toss it back in and go your merry way.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Dani
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 02:35 PM

OH! I get it! I thought you meant just putting all the CD's out for recycling.

Dani


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: karen k
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 07:26 PM

My registration and check are on the way. I can't wait to see everyone and meet some new folks as well.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: KT
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 09:06 PM

CHANCE, No, no, no!!!! We will be arriving at the GETAWAY sometime on Friday. We arrive in DC on WEDNESDAY!! Your gathering is TRADITION (2nd annual) for us and we wouldn't miss it for the world! Can we still come, huh? please? Can we?


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: KT
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 09:07 PM

Great idea, Mario!


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 27 Aug 05 - 11:30 AM

Reservation in the mail and payment going through Camsco. We are bringing our kids, Dani - the military have been alerted! Plane and car booked. I would enjoy gospel and chorus singing but would also welcome a ballad workshop that looked at traditional ballads that have 'crossed the pond' I'd love to learn some new tunes suitable for concertina too (not too fast my fingers don't go at speed :0).


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 05:19 AM

Having come out of the closet last year as a "harmony slut", I would appreciate this year an opportunity to harmonise - and hear others harmonising. A workshop on some of the harmony styles that are more prevalent in the US (and therefore less well known to me) would be particularly interesting.

I also support the idea mentioned above for sessions on "how a song was written".

I would attend eagerly a session (led by Bobert?) on blues, especially discussing/demonstrating different styles of the blues.

For my part, I can offer songwriting workshops, and just to be different:

The opportunity for up to 4 individuals to learn to sing (and perform on the Sunday concert) a simple Byzantine hymn in 2- or 3-part harmony. It will have few words, and they will be provided in phonetics anyway. Reading music is unnecessary, as no "dots" will be used (they would not be so useful in the case of Byzantine music with its unusual intervals). Two one-hour sessions should be sufficient, I think.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Charlie Baum
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 08:45 AM

As one who loves harmonies: Balkan, Russian, Georgian (Svan, Kakhetian, and Gurian), Old-Timey, Appalachian, and all sorts of Liturgical harmonies from Jewish to Eastern Orthodox to Sacred Harp (and between), let me second El Greko's harmony workshop idea.

--Charlie Baum


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: KT
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 12:34 PM

And I'll third it. Sounds great!


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: CET
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 12:45 PM

I would jump at the chance to learn a Byzantine hymn from El Greko.

Edmund


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 02:02 PM

OK CET, you're on, with SussexCarole who PMed me on behalf of herself and Theresa.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Dani
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 03:17 PM

Uh-oh. Am I too late, El Greko? Put me on standby, willya?

Dani


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 07:31 PM

You're in, Dani!


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Janie
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 09:28 PM

Yipes! If you got all you can use, can I be an understudy?

Pretty please with sugar on it?

Janie


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: KT
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 10:55 PM

I'd love to join the group too, El Greko, but if you have too many, may I just listen and learn the tune? KT


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Big Mick
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 11:09 PM

I just want to learn harmony. I am so used to having others harmonize with me, but I have never learned properly how to harmonize with others. I usually just sing in unison.

I stand ready to be your padawan learner, El Greko.

All the best,

Mick


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Aug 05 - 01:09 AM

Oh, what the heck, come along you three, we can double up some.

You can be "pseudo-counterbass" with me, Big Mick (I know we are really baritones, but we can pitch it a little higher, and with Theresa's alto for bass, we'll be fine). KT, it's been a year (too long), but I believe you are alto-ish too. I just hope CET, SussexCarole, Dani and Janie are OK for some soprano stuff so that we are not too bottom-heavy (no jokes about my physical appearance please).


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Ebbie
Date: 29 Aug 05 - 01:47 AM

This is going to be such fun to listen to!


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 29 Aug 05 - 05:43 AM

Here's hoping, Ebbie! The last GUEST was of course me, sans biscuit.
And Charlie Baum is also joining us. We'll have to close for entries now, I'm afraid, as I don't want the group to get too large, for 2 reasons:

a) it will take a lot longer to teach a bigger group; as it is, I may have to think up ways of getting the volunteers to do some of the prep work in advance, to save time

b) Normally Byzantine hymns are sung in church by small groups of 3-6 ; you do also get choirs singing them, but the sound is altered , there is less immediacy and a need for more regimentation.

So, the Byzantine Babes will consist of: SussexCarole (as First Babe, by virtue of being the first to PM me on this), Theresa, Dani, Janie, KT, CET, Big Mick and Charlie Baum.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Dani
Date: 29 Aug 05 - 07:47 AM

Oooohhh. I LOVE the sound of the Byzantine Babes. But, I'm afraid I'll be too low for you. Don't want to speak for Janie, but I don't think she'll help in that department, either. I only sing soprano when someone starts the washer while I'm in the shower.

Dani


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Janie
Date: 29 Aug 05 - 08:09 AM

'Fraid I'm bottom heavy in all senses of the word, George. 2nd tenorish, (and plenty of me to love!) If I was in a women's chorus I would definitely be singing the base line. You won't have trouble recruiting some sopranos, though, and I will listen with tremendous pleasure.

Janie


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 29 Aug 05 - 10:20 AM

Stay, Janie & Dani. My terminology may have misled you. The highest Byzantine music ever goes is 2nd tenor - any alto can reach that.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Jeri
Date: 29 Aug 05 - 02:48 PM

HEY! I want in too! Could be the Byzantine hymn, but I'd like to learn about the music as well.

Charlie Baum sings some Balkan songs, n'est ce pas? I'd love to learn about Balkan harmonies as well, and I'd love to try singing them. I'm becoming fascinated with what I call "weird" minor harmonies and dissonance. The only thing with dissonance is that you have to convince people you did it on purpose and then hope they won't hurt you.

An idea, Al Groko (better then "Greco" eh? No? Oh. Never mind) might be to have a big group break up into appropriately sized groups, with, unlike pirates, all the parts represented, perhaps more than once. People can't find the pitch with a map and a flashlight, people won't sing, or try to sing dissonantly on purpose the night before and, although expected to make a full recovery, haven't yet departed the hospital.

For Balkan music, I'd love to be one of a whole bunch of folks, sorta like the "Quasimodal Chorus."

These are different things that what has gone on when I've been to the Getaway in previous years, and I'm getting a bit excited by that.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: MMario
Date: 29 Aug 05 - 03:05 PM

I wanna listen! I doubt I can learn a harmony part in one weekend - it usually takes me weeks...so I will be the appreciative audience.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Bill D
Date: 29 Aug 05 - 03:21 PM

hey, folks...it's entirely possible for a group to 'do' a workshop that's not on the 'official' schedule. We have a history of such things happening. ( I remember fondly "Songs of Dismemberment", held on a grassy hillside maybe 15 years ago.) They just go find a quiet spot and do it!....This can be in addition to whatever a smaller bunch rehearses for a concert.

I have no idea what Carly, Nancy and Rita will 'officially' schedule, so you'd best discuss it with them so they treat you as gently as possible in the official schedule.....and if you do become an 'un-official' workshop, it's a good idea to wait till the schedule is out, so you can avoid conflicts with yourselves and other things you can't stand missing. (you know...a 3AM meeting...*grin*)

Sounds like fun......


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Ebbie
Date: 29 Aug 05 - 03:25 PM

I'll hide in the corner with you, MMario! There is a quartet in Juneau that does Balkan 'hillside and meadow' songs. Stirring, fascinating, haunting harmonies.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: MMario
Date: 29 Aug 05 - 03:29 PM

I have some friends that do incredible Lithuanian folk songs - but they have a major conflict with Getaway. Bums me out.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Gorgeous Gary
Date: 29 Aug 05 - 07:57 PM

Well let's see...

I can always lead/co-lead Jewish Songs or Parodies again.

Humorous Songs is also a possibility (hey, with all the new folks I **must** trot out "When I Was A Boy again!).

I really enjoyed the "Songs Our Children Sing" last year (or whatever the title was) and wouldn't mind reprising that. (And I promise I'll be on time this year!)

-- Gary


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: CET
Date: 29 Aug 05 - 08:06 PM

Well, nobody has ever accused me of being a soprano. My teacher (a tenor) sometimes says I'm a chickenshit tenor, i.e. a tenor who is still in the baritone closet. If Mick and George are holding down the low parts, I think I can manage it.

Edmund


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: karen k
Date: 29 Aug 05 - 09:40 PM

Just seeing this thread. I'd like to give it a try if it's not too late. What do you say, George?

karen


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From: Catherine Jayne
Date: 30 Aug 05 - 09:49 AM

I am looking forward to this very much and I will be bringing my new octave fiddle with me. I've also been learning some new songs to sing!!

Not long to go now!


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 30 Aug 05 - 02:31 PM

All getting very exciting. Like Khatt I am trying to learn some new songs for the trip (hopefully not all the same ones:0).


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: skarpi
Date: 30 Aug 05 - 04:22 PM

Halló all, I was trying to print out the regestration form
out but I could not get anything out but the first line ??
I have a proplem.
do you know what is wrong ? it´s on Acrobads.

all the best Skarpi Iceland.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: MMario
Date: 30 Aug 05 - 04:27 PM

It may be a version conflict, Skarpi.

what version of Acrobat reader do you have?

It may work better too, if you download it and then print it from a local copy.



Good Luck! Looking forward to seeing you in October.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: karen k
Date: 30 Aug 05 - 08:31 PM

Hey Mrs. Duck,
Looking forward to meeting you. Looks like we like the same things - gospel, chorus songs and ballads. Anxious to trade some songs with you.

Safe trip over to all you Brits. Boy this is going to be a great year.

karen


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Tannywheeler
Date: 30 Aug 05 - 08:41 PM

Planning to be there. Never did it before. I love harmony. I will listen to lots of different workshops/programs and sing around. Just wanted to see what it was like. I can wander at will to whichever seems most appealing to me, right?       Tw


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Bill D
Date: 30 Aug 05 - 08:46 PM

yep...you just bop about until you get fascinated...*grin*...(or tired...this camp is sometimes known as "Camp Escher" as it seems it is uphill in all directions at times...well, not quite...going TO meals is almost always downhill, but,......)


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Tannywheeler
Date: 30 Aug 05 - 08:53 PM

P. S. THE STORM has not made any changes necessary, has it?    Tw


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Fortunato
Date: 30 Aug 05 - 09:43 PM

KT you and Ebbie are most welcome at the PreGetaway/singaround/UpTheMicca at The Shivers. The Miccas and I should be home by six from the airport and I can come pick you up. Are you staying a the same hotel?


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: KT
Date: 31 Aug 05 - 01:33 AM

Thanks Chance!! We're looking forward to it! We don't have a reservation yet, but we'll probably stay in the same place. We'll let you know for sure as soon as we know. Might even be able to rustle up s'more of that great smoked salmon that we brought last year!


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: jacqui.c
Date: 31 Aug 05 - 07:53 AM

Smoked salmon? Keep some for me PLEEEEEASE!


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Ferrara
Date: 31 Aug 05 - 09:09 AM

Skarpi, I sent you a PM on Monday but Mudcat ate it. I am going to talk to Charlie Baum about your problem with the registration form. (I've left him a phone message). PM me with your e-mail. We will be able to get your registered, I promise!


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Charlie Baum
Date: 31 Aug 05 - 10:46 AM

Tanny--
You can wander around at will to your hearts content.
The closest thing to obligations are the times for meals (if you want to eat with the rest of us). You don;t even have to go to bed, if you don;t want to.

And what storm? No storms here that I know of...

--Charlie Baum


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: beardedbruce
Date: 31 Aug 05 - 11:38 AM

bed? there are BEDS at the Getaway?


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: MMario
Date: 31 Aug 05 - 12:45 PM

bruce - you know, those long horizontal things in the cabins people occasionally trip over and fall into.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 01 Sep 05 - 12:15 PM

Hope there are beds so I can file the kids away and go and enjoy myself.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Charlie Baum
Date: 01 Sep 05 - 04:52 PM

There are nearly 500 beds at Camp Ramblewood. (Can't resist the last line of the old Yiddish curse: "You should inherit a house with 500 bedrooms, and you should be kept hopping from bed to bed with malaria.") Some people never use a bed, but others of us enjoy their use.

--Charlie Baum


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 01 Sep 05 - 05:31 PM

Then I promise to enjoy at least one.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Skipjack K8
Date: 01 Sep 05 - 05:36 PM

And I promise to enjoy 100!


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Charley Noble
Date: 01 Sep 05 - 09:11 PM

Let me see if I've got this clear. The relevant dates are October 14-17 and one has to mail in the registration form with a check by October 1st.

I'm seriously considering coming, starting from Maine, but are there any ME or NH folks who would be willing to van-pool with me? I'll try to coordinate better at picking folks up than I managed to do for Indian Neck weekend last spring.

Of course it's kind of scary going to a place where there are hundreds of people all singing different songs at once...

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: treaties1
Date: 07 Sep 05 - 10:52 AM

Wow, just found this thread again and really looking forward to the Byzantine singing, thanks George. My first visit 2 years ago was mind blowing and the programme suggestions this year sound great, I'm going to be spoilt for choice again. Brilliant. Looking forward to meeting and singing with everyone, Roll on October
Theresa


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Charley Noble
Date: 07 Sep 05 - 11:58 AM

Check's in the mail!

I wonder if there will be any nautical songs? I'd be happy to help coordinate such a workshop and I suspect it's already being organized.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: CET
Date: 08 Sep 05 - 08:06 AM

Nautical songs, Charlie? There might be a remote possibility!

Edmund


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: karen k
Date: 08 Sep 05 - 12:14 PM

Theresa, Oooooooooooooooooooooooh! How great! Theresa is coming again. Now I'm really getting excited.

Hey, SussexCarole, did you get my e-mail. Please bring me a copy of the new Shellback cd, pleassssssssssssssssse!

love to you bothe,
karen


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 08 Sep 05 - 02:27 PM

Can't beat a naughty song - oh nautical ok well those as well. Five weeks to go!


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Amos
Date: 08 Sep 05 - 02:43 PM

Charley:

I'll be happy to back you up on any naughty OR nautical songs you wanna sing!


A


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Barry Finn
Date: 08 Sep 05 - 04:46 PM

Hi Charlie, If you'd like, we'd (Justine & I) be oh so greatful to Van-Pool with you (& Judy?). I don't drive anymore but Justine still does (I think, I hope). If it's good for you, e-mail me & we can work out some kind of plan. When are you thinking of leaving Maine & when you'd be leaving the Getaway? What ever your plan we're easy.


And yes I'm sure you'll be hearing some king of sea music. After all it looks like a good percentage of the Shellbacks will be there (reason enough for going but not near the only reason). You'll love them


Hi Theresa, so glad you & Noreen & the crew will be there again, last time was to die for.


Barry


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Charley Noble
Date: 08 Sep 05 - 09:47 PM

Amos and Barry-

It will be my pleasure, for sure!

I've got some new favorite songs that I worked up special for my recent Pacific Northwest foray and I'm anxious to expose them to other folks as well.

I'm currently planning to run down on Friday, starting early from Maine, and come back on Monday, arriving back in Maine completely wasted.

Unfortunately, JudyB has work to do with the Legislature.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 14 Sep 05 - 09:29 AM

As for sea songs I am hoping to have another of Linda Kelly's wonderful songs under my belt by then. Anyone fancy doing some French sea songs?


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: CET
Date: 14 Sep 05 - 06:25 PM

I sing in French and I like sea songs. I don't know French sea songs by heart though. No reason why I shouldn't try and learn one.

Edmund


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 15 Sep 05 - 07:51 AM

Will bring a few over then. I already sing 'Pique la Baleine' with the Shellbacks so that could be a starting point and then look at a few others maybe.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 15 Sep 05 - 09:59 AM

WOuld any Shellbacks coming over please bring along some CDs--CAMSCO would like to carry them, but I don't know where to get some.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 15 Sep 05 - 07:00 PM

I'll try to get some then Dick.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: GUEST,Dani
Date: 15 Sep 05 - 07:51 PM

Well, there goes THAT music budget....

Dani


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Fortunato
Date: 16 Sep 05 - 09:23 PM

Rides to the Getaway from the DC area? Two folks have approached me about rides to the Getaway, but we are full up with Micca and Catsphiddle.

Can anyone give a ride to a mudcatter or two from DC to the Getaway?

chance


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Ferrara
Date: 21 Sep 05 - 01:52 AM

Well the program is moving a bit faster now ...

Yes, certainly,we will have a Shanties workshop, maybe combine it with other maritime songs or maybe have a separate "Songs of the Sea" workshop. And we will have "Foreign Languages," (led by Skarpi and FSGW's Kathie Mack), so there will be two places where a French shantey can be sung.

And we are working on having two gospel sessions, possibly entitled "Gospel" and "More Gospel -- Shake the Roof," or some such, as requested.

Something else to look forward to: George Ward is one of our special guests this year. He is an award winning songwriter, has a grand repertoire of songs collected in upstate New York, is a shantey singer, plays "Banjo, Guitar, Tin whistle, Concertina, Fiddle, Jaw Harp and more," etc.

This is just to let you know we're here. There's much more lined up and in the works. To be continued ....


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Charley Noble
Date: 21 Sep 05 - 09:28 AM

Be nice to meet and sing with George Ward again.

I don't lead any French sea songs but I'd be more than happy to chorus along on some.

"Songs of the Sea" (SOS) is probably more appropriate as a workshop title than having to explain why a particular sea ballad is NOT a "shanty/shantey/chanty/chantey."

Could someone clarify whether this workshop will be outside or inside? I'm assuming there is no sound equipment involved other than our natural or unnatural voices, and optional accoustic instruments.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 21 Sep 05 - 10:40 AM

I do lead one or two French shanties so that will be great. I am also trying to learn another French/Breton song which is not a shanty but still relates to sailors and the sea.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Sep 05 - 11:07 AM

Charlie..if the "weather be good" all workshops usually have the option of moving outside, and this has happened, at least temporarily I think, every year. Being October, you never know. We do not have sound except for the Sat. nite concert, but it has never been much of a problem.

Last year we had quite a rain for awhile, but we were also outside at times. We had one sea songs session I remember where it was best to stay in....but that was in the gymnasium, and sound carried fine.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Ferrara
Date: 21 Sep 05 - 01:44 PM

Well, Charlie, I was thinking along the lines of having your session be a "Shantey Blast" sort of session, similar to the "Raise the Roof" gospel session, where the songs would mostly have a sing-along part and/or a chorus. That is a different sort of energy than you get with forebitters and songs about the sea, which would be covered in an "Other Sea Songs" or "Songs of the Sea" or "Ocean, Rivers and Waterways" session. The "Other Sea Songs" would also allow shanties, of course. Haven't discussed this with the Committee yet though so will gladly hear opinions while things are still in progress. :-)

The thing is, there are so many good maritime singers coming this year that I feel they will need extra time if we can manage it! ... We'll see.

We have a couple of people here in FSGW who sing French shanties (they're sung at the Royal Mile Pub in Wheaton, too) so lots of us know the choruses at least.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Barry Finn
Date: 21 Sep 05 - 04:14 PM

Hi Nancy & all

Justine & I will be there fri-mon, we're van-pooling with Charlie Noble, thank you Charlie registrations have been sent in & a special thanks to you Nancy & Carly, Charlie B & epically you Ritta. LOL.


Micca, love your idea for a songwriter's workshop


Dani, some ideas that are also very appealing to me too;

Songs of celebration

Occupational Songs (about work or working)

Work songs (from the land)


Edmund, songs "I learned from... " For songs that you learned in person from another human being, rather than from a recording?


Songs that roam the (US) eastern mountain ranges, north to south.


Elizabeth & Sandy LaPrelle


Work songs from the West Indies to the Mid-Atlantic Sea Board


Songs (not just work) from inside the prison systems, anywhere


Whaling (by itself)


Wagon Trains & Pioneers

Cowboys, Over Landers/Drovers & their like from other countries.


Levee Workers & Gandy Dancers


Songs of Transport; Lakes, Canals, River ways & Intercoastal Highways of anywhere


Singing Jigs & Reels


Child Labor(not about giving birth)songs

Or, traditional songs of child labor &/or pregnancies…. Ya know,,,like


"For 9 long years & 9 long months I've carried this child

Carried this child (2x)


I'll bet in 9 more days & things gonna turn wild

Gonna turn wild (2x)


Hoodoo woman better do sump'n fast

Sump'n fast(2x)


For the next 9th day will surely be your last

Be your last (2x)


(by me, on the fly
on the fly)


Seems there maybe idea in there that some one could snack. I'm imagining that Ballads & shanties are going to be well covered. Is Joe Offer coming? Joe????


Barry


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Sep 05 - 04:24 PM

Barry...I think that since he has obligated 127% of his time at home, the only way we'll get Joe this year is with a matter transmitter to beam him in for short bursts. I'm not sure he wants to try out the Beta test model...


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: CET
Date: 21 Sep 05 - 07:02 PM

I've been thinking more about my off hand suggestion a month ago about a workshop on spooky, violent, grim and bloodthirsty songs. Something along those lines might work well, especially if people come up with songs that have more to them than just buckets of gore - unsentimental songs with great imagery, the kind that put your nerves on edge just a bit.

Edmund


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Ferrara
Date: 22 Sep 05 - 02:13 AM

Barry -- A big Boo Hoo, Joe Offer had six or eight conflicting obligations for Getaway weekend and the shameful fact is, he decided to honor them instead of coming to the Getaway. What kind of person puts their responsibilities ahead of the Getaway, I ask you? Oh well Joe we love you lots or we wouldn't mind so much that you can't come!

Good suggestions for the program, Barry. We'll see if we can follow up on some of them.

Elizabeth LaPrelle is a freshman at William & Mary and has had a gig or other obligation almost every weekend from the beginning of August to the weekend before the Getaway, so she's still undecided. A ride to and from W&M might help but school might still have to be her priority. I ask you again, what sort of person ... ? The good news is, Sandy is planning to come, and John may be able to come if he can get a ride back to Rural Retreat (Virginia-NC border) on Sunday so's he can work Monday morning. (hint hint)

CET, consider yourself (and Charmion?) booked for an hour session of "Spooky, Violent, Grim and Bloodthirsty." Asking you to lead it has been on my to-do list for about 2 weeks. Shame on me. Don't know if there will be a co-leader, does Charmion want to co-lead it?

We have TWO special song writers' sessions in the works. They both look very good if they work out. There is so much interest this year that we thought the song writing folks should have two sessions if we can manage it.

Sorry to bring you all this news in dribs and drabs but ... that's how the program always takes shape, actually.

We're expecting to bring in more Mudcatters as workshop leaders, and also, we need to contact a number of our "regulars" and see if they'd like to lead a workshop. It takes time. In the meantime, I have this wildlife art show next week....

Yesterday the Washington Post printed a great photo of the National Zoo's 10 week old panda; he is finally old enough to look like something you can recognize. So today I woodburned four Baby Panda necklaces. Busy busy busy....

Rita


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Charley Noble
Date: 22 Sep 05 - 09:36 AM

Rita-

There definitely should be an "Other Songs of the Seas Session" for the traditional forebitters, the naval ballads, the C. Fox Smith poems that many of us have been setting to music, the contemporary sea songs such as by Gordon Bok, Stan Rogers or Tom Lewis, and the outrageous parodies such as "The Sloop John A." Maybe the parodies belong in their own workshop.

Of course, we also have shanties that are fairly new but sound traditional, such as "Pump Shanty." And there are some shanties such as "Wake Up Susianna" which may be hard to characterize...

More is better?

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: MMario
Date: 22 Sep 05 - 09:40 AM

there is always the informal "after hours" sessions (which can be adeertised at dinner)


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Susan A-R
Date: 22 Sep 05 - 10:56 PM

WAAAAAAA!! I think it was really dumb of me to check this thread when I can't be there. Next year without fail!!!

(I've separated from my husband and the finances are getting pretty creative as I figure out how to do stuff on one income.) My choice, a good move, but What a cast of characters!!


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Janie
Date: 23 Sep 05 - 08:38 AM

Oh No Susan! I was really looking forward to seeing you. Did you consider asking Charlie Baum about a scholarship? And then bumming a ride down with some one else? No Susan. No Joe. Boohoohoo:<

Janie


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Susan A-R
Date: 23 Sep 05 - 05:51 PM

Janie, Thanks. Charlie just sent me a message about scholarships. I had already filled in the weekend with fun stuff, figuring that i'd better if I didn't want to be completely depressed, so I'm spending the weekend gigging, dancing and probably hosting acontradance band and/or caller. I'll be thinking of you all, and will definitely be there next year. If any of the far travelers are coming north and east, they would be most welcome here after or before the getaway.

Susan


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Micca
Date: 23 Sep 05 - 08:20 PM

Susan, CatsPHiddle and I will be at SINSULLs the end of the week after the Getway and would love to see you if its possible!!


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Susan A-R
Date: 23 Sep 05 - 09:44 PM

Micca, Either a detour on your part through Vermont (I have a nice futon, the food is good, foliage may be still on tap, given global warming and the level of green we still have here, and it isn't too far out of the way.) If not, I'll give some thought to getting over to Maine. I have been meaning to do that, and should be able to figure out something.

Susan


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Gorgeous Gary
Date: 24 Sep 05 - 12:42 PM

Hmmm..."Spooky, Violent, Grim and Bloodthirsty". Not usually my choice of topics, but I'm real tempted to go kick a few rocks over and see what I might find... ;-)

-- Gary


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Charley Noble
Date: 24 Sep 05 - 04:42 PM

In Fleet Street, that's in London Town,
When good Prince Charlie wore the crown,
There lived a man of great renown –
"Spooky, Violent, Grim and Bloodthirsty"

I'm not sure I know any such ditties...

One Sweeney Todd the Barber;
One shave from him, you'd want no more,
You'd feel his razor sharp –
Bang, wallop, fall through the floor,
And wake up playing the harp while singing:

Sweeney Todd the Barber!
By God, he was better than a play!
Sweeney Todd the Barber!
"I'll polish 'em off," he used to say.
His clients through the floor would slope,
But he had no fear of the hangman's rope;
"Dead men don't talk with their months full of soap!"
Said Sweeney Todd the Barber.

Or maybe:

Down the drafty corridors for miles and miles she goes,
She often catches cold at night for it's drafty when it blows,
And it's awfully, awfully, awkward for the queen to blow her nose,
With her head tucked underneath her arm!

Or maybe:

There was blood on the saddle,
And blood all around,
And a great big puddle of blooooood on the ground!

Cheerily,
Charley Ignoble


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: jacqui.c
Date: 26 Sep 05 - 09:50 AM

Susan - if you can get here I'm sure we can find you a bed somewhere!


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: CET
Date: 26 Sep 05 - 02:24 PM

I just walked in the door after a weekend in Portsmouth at the Maritime Folk Festival. Charmion and I will be delighted to help with the Spooky, Violent, etc workshop.

The Portsmouth Festival came along just at the right time to get my singing batteries charged up.

Edmund


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 26 Sep 05 - 06:28 PM

Lost my voice completely at weekend so hope to get it running again very soon


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Sep 05 - 07:55 PM

Rita,

Do you need me to facilitate a blues workshop this year?

Bobert


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Amos
Date: 26 Sep 05 - 10:59 PM

Bobert:

Workshop or no, we will be jamming; I yearn to learn at the feet of a master.

A


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Bobert
Date: 26 Sep 05 - 11:05 PM

Well, get yer open tunin's dusted off, Amos, 'cause I got more than Carter has liver pills...

I bring three guitars to handle 'um all... And then they spill over...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: jimmyt
Date: 26 Sep 05 - 11:30 PM

BObert, will you jam with a conservative Bass player? grin


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Bobert
Date: 27 Sep 05 - 08:38 AM

When it comes to bass player, conservative is good...


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: treaties1
Date: 29 Sep 05 - 09:38 PM

AS this thread gets longer I'm finding it harder to think of appropriate songs that might be suitable. Is there a definitive list nearly ready please? Only two weeks to go and excitement mounting.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Nancy King
Date: 29 Sep 05 - 09:55 PM

We will be posting a list of workshops within a day or two. Whether it will be "definitive," I can't really say, but it will be a good start. Sorry to be so slow about this, but it always turns out to be a last-minute deal, no matter how early we start. We have to be sure who's coming (lots of people wait till the last minute to register), then contact folks about leading workshops, see how much time we have available, etc., etc. And of course we do have a few other things going on in our lives. None more important, of course -- just the stuff that pays the bills! Anyhow, try to be patient a couple of days longer, please! And rest assured there will be something for everyone -- just plan what you'd like to sing, and you'll be able to fit it in somewhere!

Off to make more phone calls....

Nancy


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: DonMeixner
Date: 30 Sep 05 - 03:48 PM

Well my plans to attend have once again been thwarted. My wife needs to have some surgery. Nothing desparate but very necessary. It would look pretty poor among members of my family were I to drop her off at Community General on my way out of town. So I had better linger about the area. Maybe I can get down to WYSIWYG's for a visit but that hope looks small too.

So, please take lots of pictures and copious and legible notes. And I'll probably see many of you at Old Songs in June.

Don


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Allan C.
Date: 30 Sep 05 - 08:40 PM

Does that mean you went to the conservatory, jimmyt?


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: jimmyt
Date: 30 Sep 05 - 08:59 PM

Allan, It mostly means that I am a left handed bass player with leanings to the right. I am probably lysdexic


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Nancy King
Date: 30 Sep 05 - 10:31 PM

OK, folks, here's a PRELIMINARY workshop list, including leaders where they have been confirmed. We are still waiting for quite a few calls and messages to be returned.

We have tried to communicate with each other, but it's possible some things listed here may not be quite right. If you are listed for something you haven't agreed to, or if we've asked you to do something and you've agreed to it, but it isn't listed here, please let us know ASAP by PM!

There are also some other workshops under consideration, so the list will grow and change as we get things nailed down.   There will also be a number of half-hour mini-concerts, a Friday night open sing, Saturday and Sunday evening concerts, and unlimited impromptu jamming, so rest assured there will be plenty to do!

We plan to put the schedule grid together within a week, and will post it as soon as we can. Then we'll do it over…

Workshop List:

Bandits, Bullies, and Badass Braggarts – Dan Schatz (and ?)

Ballads – Barry Finn (and ?)

Ballads with Choruses and/or Refrains

Blues Jam or Blues Styles

Country and Western Jam – T. J. O'Malley

Fantasy Adventures for Kids – George Rathbone

Forebitters and Other Sea Songs – Ken Schatz (and ?)

Foreign Language Songs – Skarpi Haraldsson, Kathie Mack

Gospel Songs – Susan Clark, Lisa Null

Harmony – Charlie Baum (and Mia Boynton?)

Humorous Songs

Irish Songs – Noreen Keene and Mick Lane

Jug Band/Skiffle

Old Time Jam

The Oral Tradition is Alive and Well, or, Songs You Learned from a Person -- Nancy King (and ?)

Parodies – Micca Patterson, Jacqui Clark, David Diamond

Pub Sing – Leo (MMario) Pola, Darriel Day

Raise-the-Roof Gospel – Carly Gewirz (and ?)

Remembering Helen Schneyer – Kathy Westra

Scottish Songs – Dan Schatz (and John "Giok" Mackenzie?)

Shanties – Charlie Ipcar (and ?)

Song Writing Themes – Susan Hills

Songwriters

Spooky, Violent, Grim and Bloodthirsty – Edmund Thomas (and ?)

Squeezeboxes

Tall Tales and Stories – Kendall Morse

"When You Perform…" – Dennis and Judy Cook, Chance and Susette Shiver, Kendall Morse

Whistles – Terry ("Leadfingers") Silver

Women's Work – Jennifer Woods

Yodeling (and Cowboy Songs?) – Chance Shiver (and ?)

###

See you soon!
Nancy


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: KT
Date: 30 Sep 05 - 10:44 PM

YAHOO!!! Just reading this list has me grinnin'!! The only omission I can detect is the Cloning Worshop! Two weeks from tonight......It's going to be grand! thanks to ALL who are working so hard to put this together!!

Can't wait!!!

KT


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Nancy King
Date: 30 Sep 05 - 10:51 PM

All right, KT, you're leading the Cloning Workshop!


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Amos
Date: 30 Sep 05 - 11:19 PM

Is there TIME for all this? My god. Can we make it a week or two instead of a weekend?

A


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Tannywheeler
Date: 01 Oct 05 - 01:25 AM

Great, Amos--but longer away from my grandkids(?!), and the expense of changing my train reservations(?!)....couldn't stay that long(sigh)....maybe next year.....            Tw


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Susan A-R
Date: 01 Oct 05 - 01:32 AM

Please, everybody nest year.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: karen k
Date: 01 Oct 05 - 04:45 AM

What's Georgre Ward doing and are there any other special guests?


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: skarpi
Date: 01 Oct 05 - 05:42 AM

halló all , workshop hmmmmmmmmmm how does work ?
just wandering I just can´t wait , but I need some info about this so I
can be ready for it .
All best Skarpi Iceland.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: jacqui.c
Date: 01 Oct 05 - 08:15 AM

Don - so sorry you can't make it - Old Songs seems a long way away.

Scarpi - I was new to this last year. A workshop for the main part is a song or tune circle, started off by the leader(s) and with the opportunity for all who wish to contribute to do so. I think that the leader needs to have a few songs to hand, and maybe some explanation of the material that they use, but that is about all.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: kendall
Date: 01 Oct 05 - 08:18 AM

Questions are most welcome


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Oct 05 - 08:52 AM

If anybody's thinking of going to the Scottish songs workshop, and they have anything particular they want covering, do PM me and let me know, and I'll try to help.
Giok


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Charley Noble
Date: 01 Oct 05 - 10:47 AM

I'm pleased to learn that Ken Schatz will be there and leading the Forebitters and other Sea Songs workshop. He's one of my favorite traditional style singers. I'll certainly be attending that one.

Then, of course, there is Ballads with Barry Finn, and Parodies with Micca et al, and Pub Sing with MMario, and ...

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: SINSULL
Date: 01 Oct 05 - 11:39 AM

Damn! It's going to be another year where I can't be in three places at one time. SIgh! Life is tough sometimes.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Oct 05 - 12:17 PM

You're just not trying hard enough Mary!
G. ¦¬]


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: KT
Date: 01 Oct 05 - 01:08 PM

Sins and Charley, you'll just have to come to the cloning workshop first. Let's see, Nancy, it'll have to be first on the schedule to be most effective......mirrors....we'll need lots and lots of mirrors........


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 Oct 05 - 02:06 PM

Mirrors? And smoke?


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Oct 05 - 09:56 PM

Well, I was gonna lead up a couple blues workshops but, hey, after seein' that category "Woman's Work", fir get blues... Hey, I'll just bring the ol' Maytag in the back of my truck and ....

(Ahhhh, Bobert, are you nuts???...)

Okay, maybe I mighta missed somethin' here....

Windex?

Ironin'?

It's cookin'... Ain't it... Hey, you all got the right guy fir the job... Can opener and stove, right???

You all ain't messin' with somebody there with jus' ordinary intellect...

An yeah, I can clean winers wid the best of them...

(Yo, Bobert!!! This is the Getaway... Ain't like winder cleanin' camp... Maybe you done hit the wrong button on yer pudder??? How much did this cost you, anyway????)

Geeze....


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: GUEST,KT
Date: 01 Oct 05 - 10:19 PM

"Ain't like winder cleanin' camp."

That's for sure....If I recall, there aren't any windows.......leave the windex home, Bobert!


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Charley Noble
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 12:14 PM

Then, of course, all the sea music workshops will be scheduled at the same time...

Is there a Bitch & Moan workshop?

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: MMario
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 12:19 PM

that's scheduled for Tuesday - I think.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Ferrara
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 03:06 PM

Charley, the Program Committee generally post the schedule as early as possible so people can holler and moan and generally request re-writing the whole thing to suit them better. Actually we find that it's better to let the audience edit it ahead of time, than it is to listen to the moans of pain during the Getaway at finding we've scheduled Chanteys opposite Forebitters.

(I once notified the Mystic people that they had Dan and Bonnie Milner scheduled against themselves. Unfortunately the program had just been sent to press but I think they got it fixed in time.)

Anyway we're meeting tonight to set up a preliminary grid, should have the grid by the end of the week or early next week. We still need to add some stuff....

Don, I am so sorry to learn that we'll miss you and your wife! Darn it. I was really looking forward to you both being here.

Rita


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Ferrara
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 03:15 PM

This may seem like an unreasonable request :-) but I'd like to give you guys an invitation to think of yourselves as coming to the Getaway first and to a Mudcat reunion second. There will be workshops led by people you never heard of and haven't met on Mudcat. I urge you to check them out too.

I would like it a lot if I hear afterward that all of you met and spent a bit of time talking to some of the non-Mudcatters at the Getaway. It's only a weekend and there are just so many minutes and you're going to want very much to maximize the time you get with other Mudcatters but ... it's a Folklore Society event and there will be Folklore Society people and other non-Mudcatters there including some very talented and interesting people, and we like everybody to make friends with everybody.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: MMario
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 03:22 PM

AMEN!


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: GUEST,Dani
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 03:54 PM

Amen too. I love how the two circles have overlapped and drawn people in directions they couldn't have imagined going, musically and personally....

Dani


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 04:57 PM

heck, if you don't sleep at all, I figger you can have...oh, maybe about 20 minutes with each attendee...(assuming 175 people and 6PM Friday to 10AM Monday)...but with time out for singing, watching, listening, sleeping.....hmmmmmm Better double up... That's what group activities are for!


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: jacqui.c
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 05:02 PM

Rita - would any of the FSGW ladies like to join in with the production number on Saturday night?


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Micca
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 05:32 PM

Rita, and the Committee, This is one of the things I have Really enjoyed MOST of all about the Getaway. The first time I attended I was very aware that I was a Guest at an event , but the opportunity to meet "Folkies Like us" from wherever the originated ,or however they happened to be at Ramblewood, and to share songs and music and fun and everything was just amazing. It was different from UK Festivals, but that was in style not in quality or standard of Music and Friendship, and I am sure (from conversations I have had)that it is these unique qualities that attract so many folks and Brits back to the Getaway( be they Mudcatters or FSGW or just friends of the Music. The Getaway is a wonderful experience and as mentioned above, needs a Time Machine to attend everything one would wish to hear!!! But we will try!!! and Thanks to FSGW and the Committee for their Sterling work on trying to reconcile all the "possibles" into a coherent whole, I have DONE Timetabling and Scheduling and I am amazed how well you "fit a quart into a pint pot"


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: DonMeixner
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 05:49 PM

Hi Rita,

We were hoping so as well. BUt that is when the knee could be done so thats when we do it.

Next your for sure and Old Songs as well.

Don


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Ferrara
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 12:15 AM

Jacqui,

Would it be too late just to invite some of the non-Mudcat ladies to join you when you get to the Getaway? That way you can see if the "chemistry" is right, i.e. you can see who you think would fit right in ... so to speak. :-)

Or do they need to bring the right kind of equipment with them to the Getaway?

I'm gettin' outta here before this gets any worse.
Rita


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Nancy King
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 12:20 AM

Don, we'll miss you! Next year for sure!

Micca, MMario, Dani and others – thanks for your kind words. We don't call our gathering a "festival," partly because it's always been called the Getaway, and partly because it's different from other "festivals." It is not an event at which there are some (paid) "performers" and everyone else is "audience." At the Getaway, we are all performers and we are all audience. That's one of the reasons we can't get the program put together until the last minute – we have to find out who'll be there and what they want to do. It's kind of an ultimate shared experience, and we're very pleased that so many of you enjoy sharing it with us!

Nancy

P.S.   More program info coming soon….


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 01:56 AM

Well, it's starting to look like I'll be there. I was excited to see the Blues jam (I'll bring some harps) and the Country Western jam, also the Harmony session, Shanty, and Ballad bits.

This'll be damn close to a real-life Mudcat Tavern won't it? Except I didn't see a jello-wrestlin' session....

LEJ


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 07:33 AM

No we're saving that for late night sessions LEJ!


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Mantid
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 09:54 AM

Rita, in the past few years, there's been a waltz workshop. Are you scheduling one for this year also? I think folks enjoyed playing for it even if there were not too many dancers. Thanks.
Mary Jo


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: SINSULL
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 10:21 AM

Actually, Rita, some very unexpected FSGW ladies are "in" for the Saturday night production number which is why I feel free to have a headache.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: beardedbruce
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 10:33 AM

Micca,

Think "gallons into gills", instead of " quart into a pint pot". The jokes about clone workshops are not really jokes- we ARE looking for some way to be in 6 places at once!


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: jacqui.c
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 10:37 AM

Sins - as advised - you do NOT have a headache that night or you may have a headache for the whole of the Getaway!


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Catherine Jayne
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 11:29 AM

Sins...headaches can be cured..or masked with paracetamol or alcohol....I'll bring both!!

Not long to go now!!....


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Amos
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 11:36 AM

SIins --

There are other remedies for headaches also, involving the involuntary dilation and contraction of blood vessels, which we should discuss.


A


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Janie
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 02:48 PM

Thanks Nancy, for making clear the difference between a festival and the Getaway! It is the shared experience of both singing and listening that makes it so special to me. For us non-performers who love to sing or play an instrument, it is a rare opportunity to participate as other than audience, as well as to learn from those who ARE performers. (I even find myself feeling a bit intimidated by shear number of performing musicians who are going to be there this year.) I am forever and always grateful to FSGW for (1)having it; and (2)letting the likes of me show up.

    Dani twisted my arm to get me to my 1st Getaway--I didn't know anything about Mudcat or FSGW--which may be why I have never been particularly conscious of any kind of "Youin's" and Usin's". After that weekend I moved right onto Mudcat (may Dani be forgiven;-). And had I lived close enough, I am certain I would have found my way into the middle of FSGW activities.

    I am sometimes curious about how the infusion of a large dose of 'catters from out of the area has changed the Getaway. I imagine that it has lost something as well as gained by that change.

Hope it doesn't seem like an invasion of the Huns to some.

xxoo,
Janie


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Leadfingers
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 02:52 PM

Invasion of the Huns ?? I think thats an insult to the Huns !!!


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Janie
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 03:05 PM

LOL!


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: lamarca
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 05:39 PM

Janie, this is a post that's hard to write, and will probably get me flamed, but is one answer to your question:
"I am sometimes curious about how the infusion of a large dose of 'catters from out of the area has changed the Getaway. I imagine that it has lost something as well as gained by that change."

The FSGW Getaway was already about 20 or 25 years old when I first attended as a newbie. It was being held at YMCA Camp Letts, near Annapolis, MD. When I started coming, long-time FSGW regulars like BillD were already moaning about how it wasn't as good as in "the good old days at Prince William Forest Park..."

I thought it was marvelous! Perhaps because it was an Anniversary Getaway, there were more than the usual number of "Invited Guests", who were mostly known performers from the East Coast trad/semi-trad music scene, and many FSGW prodigals who had moved away and returned especially for the Getaway. One of my fondest memories from that era was sitting on the floor in an upstairs room of Letts Lodge, listening to Barbara Carnes and Jonathan Eberhardt swapping blues songs, while we all passed around an illicit bottle of Laphroiag (the YMCA frowned on alcohol, which meant we kept it discreet...). Because the majority of people who were there were local FSGW members, there were jam sessions all day in lots of different genres, as folks who normally jammed together had familiar tunes they could share - but because it was the Getaway, folks could drift from genre to genre and get outside their normal musical milieu as well.

As a newbie, I immediately recognized that there were "In" groups and Outsiders - the "In" crowd and Invited Guests all slept in Letts Lodge (a dubious privelege, given the mildewed carpets). Again, it was simple human social dynamics - these were people who had known each other for a long time, and had formed associations and networks that were hard to jump into. But the sing-arounds and workshops were places where even a newbie could participate and learn new songs, old songs, names and faces. I used to bring a tape recorder and tape hours of workshops, then bring the tapes home, where they sit mouldering to this day...

Over the years, I became more a part of the FSGW core - by volunteering to work. I served on the Board of Directors. I was on the Coordinating Committee for our Washington Folk Festival for three crazy-making years. I participated in philosophical arguments about the goals of the Society, and agonized over budget decisions to keep programs going. I kept going to the Getaway, always doing some sort of job to help out. I made signs, bought pumpkins for Dining Hall decorations, jockeyed microphones for the concert, did my kitchen duty (in the Letts Days, we did our own meals and everyone had to sign up for two-three hours kitchen duty), colored in Getaway buttons, washed 200 naked chickens for Pete the Spy's traditional(ly late) Sunday feast, etc. I'm now burned out - I feel that I've done my time, I've paid my debt to the Society...

Putting on the Getaway was (and is) LOTS of work. It's also expensive - camp rates have gone up, food costs have changed. And people's lives have changed - we've gotten older, many folks I first met in the 80's acquired children (now, how did that happen?) and the Getaway became either less important or too expensive or reached the tipping point between those priorities for many FSGW members. Enter the Mudcat. The attendence of so many Mudcatters has infused the Getaway with new blood, new music and enough people to almost make it financially viable. Without the Mudcat attendence, I believe that the Getaway would have died as an FSGW event.

BUT (and here is where I expect to get criticism) the Invasion of the Mudcat has created a whole new Insider/Outsider atmosphere at the Getaway, similar to what I felt 20 years ago.   It is understandable that people who have formed associations with each other on-line would want to revel in inside jokes and a "Mudcat Ladies Cabin", etc, but please realize that some non-Mudcat members of the FSGW might feel that "our" Getaway has been highjacked.

While the Getaway has been preserved by the dedicated hard work of a number of folks who are both long-time FSGW members and Mudcatters, like Ferrara, Nancy King, Charlie Baum, etc., the fact still remains that the FSGW as an organization assumes all the financial and liability risks for the event. If FSGW signs the contract for the camp, we promise a certain guaranteed payment, which is calculated based on expected attendence, and the FSGW is liable for that amount even if Mudcatters who planned to come find that they can't. If a Mudcatter or FSGW member gets paralytic drunk and burns down a cabin, the FSGW is liable for the damages.

Finally, as I said before, putting together the Getaway is a LOT of work. This includes negotiating a contract with the Camp (which has to be done by an FSGW Board member because FSGW pays the bills), planning menus with the Camp Staff and making arrangements for necessary facilities, scouting out possible new camps, bringing and assembling a sound system (which, BTW, belongs to the FSGW), establishing a budget and trying to bring in Invited Guests within that budget, planning and scheduling a program (thanks, Rita, Nancy and Carly!), making signs, prepping the camp, cleaning up the camp, etc. As the Getaway has become more of a Mudcat event, the number of people who have volunteered to work on the local stuff has dwindled to just the FSGW/Mudcat members.

The old way of making ties within a volunteer group isn't possible here - local FSGW folks who have no interest in Internet chat groups can't get to know 'Catters over a longer time period, and 'Catters can't integrate into the FSGW by volunteering and working alongside other members except for the brief time you're actually at the Getaway. The disconnect has bred some resentment that I think that folks who hold "Dual Citizenship" in FSGW and Mudcat don't quite understand or acknowledge, simply because they are so comfortable in both groups.

I don't have a solution for the sociological problems between the two groups, but there is perhaps one way to make the Getaway more of a shared event. The FSGW has a long-time practice of "co-sponsoring" events with other organizations, where the Society lends the strength of its name, 503C non-profit status, insurance, financial and other resources to an affiliated group that also assumes some of the risk for the event. Perhaps it is time to consider a formal Mudcat Cafe organization, with a Board of Directors, and a network of dedicated volunteers who are willing to fully commit to working on financing and a budget to support the Mudcat system and making events like the Getaway and other Mudcat Gatherings happen.

OK - I now turn my soapbox over to the next person!


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 06:08 PM

larmarca, thank you very much for that. I've been wondering the same thing- and along with another Mudcatter - had already decided that this year I want to get to know the FSGW members better. I would really love to do my part to help defuse any consternation and latent resentment on their part. I think we are all aware that without them, the Getaway would not be happening.

One of the things I found so compelling at the Getaway was hearing the easy harmonies swelling from all over the room in the course of a song- and that's the Society influence. I am in awe.

And thank you, Rita, for reminding us.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Bill D
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 06:34 PM

well...as usual, lamarca has said so much so well. It IS true that the Getaway would be hard to finance at the same level without the Mudcat influx...I have said this privately for about 3 years now. All those other issues are also 'real', but the basic friendliness that arises from folks who meet to make music for 3 days has kept much of the awkwardness from getting too serious.

I have wondered myself if there is anyway the FSGW/Mudcat fusion could be formalized in order to make the whole situation smoother and clearer for everyone! We have a 35+ year old tradition here in the DC area, and it has allowed us, as a large folk society, to accommodate a lot of variety.

Maybe lamarca's thoughts will be the start of a discussion on how to keep 'folk' gatherings viable and fun for years to come.

Thanks, Mary....


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Micca
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 07:20 PM

I, too, have thought about this and have (and am still) considered/ing Taking out membership of FSGW as I now feel very "at home" with them and in tune with the aims and activities of the organisation (in so far as I understand them), but maybe a simpler solution might be a sort of "Associate " membership for those of us (whether Mudcat or not) who live too far away to truly participate in the year-long FSGW activities, but who would still like to contribute financially and helpwise to this Wonderful event, preferably in advance of the event so that when the actual Physical work is being allocated we could be considered for a "team"? Like volunteering for the Friday night "Clean up After dinner" Squad? or any stuff on Monday morning ? I, for one, would be delighted to do so!!


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: GUEST,Dani
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 07:33 PM

'Associate' membership. I like it!

I personally have not joined the FSGW because I a) can't participate in anything but the Getaway, and b) thought it would seem (and be) just a way to get a reduced fee for the Getaway. Actually DIDN'T join so I could pay more to go!

Hmmm..

Mary, you've give us some hard truths. The best way I can think of to mitigate bad feelings is be aware that there is a certain 'guest' status that Mudcat-stomping brings, and we should carry ourselves as guests (albeit very welcome guests) in someone's home, which is what I've tried to to do over the past few years. Another way is to jump in there and lighten the load any way we can. Just as a guest in your home would offer to do dishes, take out the trash, whatever; we can help in many ways while we're there, and perhaps even long distance.


My 2 cents.

Dani


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Ferrara
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 08:18 PM

Micca, Dani, what nice suggestions. There is a great energy here that I think will lead to more good things. Mary's post was excellent, and opened the door for us to look at a lot of ways we can make the Getaway even better.

Yeah, Micca, we always need people to keep an eye on the dining room on Friday night and make sure it will be clean when the camp's kitchen people get there early Saturday!

This brings up a happy point: If this is the same as previous years, those of you who bring something for Friday potluck can store any leftovers (haha) in the "soda machine" in the far left corner of the dining room. Also special foods, milk, etc. Up to now it has been refrigerated every year. Useful!

And, we will ask to have a microwave available in the dining room. There are coffee and hot water for as long as they last, they will be refilled during the daytime. And juice, lemonade or whatever.

By the way, for those of you who are coming from afar, it's always considered "fair game" to stop at a fast food place, Chinese carry-out, pizza place, bakery, grocery store or whatever to pick up a potluck contribution for Friday night. The food selection keeps changing as the evening goes on.

I always bring a selection of dried snack food, fruit, etc to have when I get the late night munchies. I recommend it.

Boy, the closer it gets the more exciting it gets. Lonesome EJ is coming. Wow. What a wondrous year this is going to be.

We had a very productive meeting on the program last night, will post the results as soon as we have contacted everybody involved.

I have a couple of thoughts on the "ingroup/outgroup/Mudcat/FSGW" topic but will save them for a separate post. Right now I have to go phone some people about being workshop leaders :-)

Rita


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Ebbie
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 08:28 PM

Dani, that was my thought exactly! And like you, I would like to contribute to the FSGW coffers. Associate status sounds good to me too.

Incidentally, I hope all of this can be ironed out on these threads- I don't want to take up any of the time for a 'business meeting' at the Getaway itself!


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Ferrara
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 08:50 PM

Changing the subject for a moment, yes, we are going to have the Waltz Jam and Dance, led by Dottie Hurley. It would have been on the list except that I forgot (surprise!) to write it down, so Nancy didn't know it was in the works. Thank goodness she phoned Dottie and we have it straight now.

Which reminds me ... If I have asked you about doing a workshop and never got back to you, PM me and remind me about it please. Dick Greenhaus compared notes; he told me he has a mind like a steel sieve and I said, "Dick, no wonder we get along so well! I have been thinking that I have a mind like a steel colander!" Sigh....


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: SINSULL
Date: 05 Oct 05 - 12:24 AM

I joined the FSGW after my first Getaway as a "Thank You' gesture. I donate items for the auction and to the scholarship fund when I can. Outside of that there isn't much I can do from Maine.

At my first Getaway I felt a real "them and us" atmosphere and couldn't understand it - I didn't know that Mudcatters were a new addition. My second year, with AllanC in the lead, we made a real effort to invite everyone to after hours sessions in the Singles Cabin and make it clear that they were open to everyone. A small room jammed with about 75 people and two harps - I think it was a success.

This year, I have asked (begged) single FSGW females to join us in the Single Ladies (and I use the term loosely) Cabin. Keep in mind, it is the usually noisy to all hours and modesty isn't always a prerequisite in the shared bath facilities. I DON'T SNORE but some of us do - another drawback. But we share everything from shampoo to bourbon and are sometimes lulled to sleep by serenaders from the adjoining single men's room. And we will need all the help we can get this year to make Mick Lane's Getaway perfect.

Lastly, the likelihood of a formal Mudcat Organization with a Board of Directors is, I believe, slim and none. Mudcat is an internet website owned and run by Max. It has no non-profit status nor for that matter any formal organization. People join for free on-line and participate as they see fit.

We can however find a way to participate from a distance and take some of the reponsibility for making the Getaway happen. Maybe with the move to a new location, this is an ideal time to start delegating some of the work.

I envy those who have attended Getaways for years and shared a song with Jonathan Eberhardt and Helen Schneyer. What I would give to have known the Patons in their prime and heard a young Kendall Morse sing and play and tell stories. In my mind, the Getaway is a continuation of a sacred tradition. When I see a talent like Elizabeth LePrelle or Dan Schatz carrying on while adding their own interpretation to classics, I am thrilled to be part of it.

Thank you to the FSGW for making it possible. I wonder if you realize how instrumental you have been in solidifying Mudcat into a "community". The Getaway is where most of us get to meet each other face to face. I wonder if you know that at least two Mudcat marriages began with a Getaway meeting.

Mary


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: karen k
Date: 05 Oct 05 - 02:45 AM

Great posts, Mary and SINSULL.

For my 2 cents, I have known some FSGW members for years and I have known about the Getaway probably since the 70's. I have always wanted to go but felt that I would be intruding on something private. Of course, I did not ask to come and certainly FSGW did nothing to indicate that I or anyone else outside FSGW would not be welcome. Anyway, it was Charlie Baum who encouraged me to come in 1999 when others from Mudcat were coming as well. I didn't feel totally on the outside because I knew a few of the FSGW members from festivals over the years. But I didn't feel totally on the inside either. But I did feel welcome. It was great to meet Mudcatters as well as FSGWers. I've been coming ever since and wouldn't miss it. It bother me that this issue comes up every year. Just when I think it has equalized and become a non-issue someone brings it up and we start all over. Mudcatters have always been willing to help out however possible. I have offered on several occasions to help with the program by coordinating the Mudcatters' workshops through phone and e-mail. There's no reason I can't do this from Connecticut. To date I have not been taken up on my offer. It's still on the table. I think SINSULL is right when she says that formalizing Mudcat with a board etc. is not going to happen. But I don't think that has to happen in order for Mudcatters to sit down with FSGW and try to share the work and responsibility. This has become a very important event for Mudcat as well as FSGW. I hope we can all just enjoy each other and the music that brings us together and erase the line that has been drawn in the sand.

karen


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Janie
Date: 05 Oct 05 - 11:01 AM

Wow. I had tossed that question out rhetorically. Thank you, lamarca for your courageous and thoughtful response. From the many replies, it is clear that many of us are mindful of some of these issues.

    I tend to agree that Mudcat will never have the structure to partner with FSGW organizationally. It is also apparent that many of us 'Catters are ready and willing to share more in the tremendous work involved in putting on the Getaway, from financial support to practical support at the Getaway itself. Maybe some one who is both "Catter and local FSGW member could act as coordinator/liason to involve us willing 'catters in a non-chaotic way.

    Any time enough people are in groups, there will be smaller social groups within. Families within clans within tribes, and others will feel uncomfortable. For example, While some non-Catters may feel excluded by the mudcat cabin late night sings, some of us 'Catters have often felt excluded in the TV room scene. It is human nature, I guess. I think the best we can do is be aware of it, and as individuals do what we can to mitigate.
(And then there is little ol' insecure me, and those of my ilk, who often feel on the outside looking in anytime there are more than 2 people present;>)

    None of that changes the reality of the magical weekend that the experience of the Getaway becomes for so many of us. Sounds like many of us on Mudcat are willing to step up to help FSGW make that magic happen. Let's continue to explore how we can best do that.

Janie


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Ferrara
Date: 05 Oct 05 - 11:22 AM

Karen,

As stated above, I have a mind like a steel colander. I have no memory of your offering to help co-ordinate the Mudcatters -- it's probably right in the middle of a thread but I missed it -- and I apologize!

I should tell everybody though, that Sinsull has been doing exactly that and it is a big help. The hard part is communication. We should have brought both of you in by e-mail for sure. Lesson learned. In the past we've gotten lots of help with the program from out of town Mudcatters. Jeri Corlew's contributions come to mind for one thing. In the future we'll try to make it a more systematic thing. Good for all concerned.

We're having another Getaway program meeting tonight and will probably start setting up the Grid.

Rita


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: MMario
Date: 05 Oct 05 - 11:45 AM

If the FSGW comes up with some sort of associate membership I also would go for that. I'm another who has not signed up for membership, feeling it would just look like trying to get the cut rate on Getaway.

(I then proceeded to read the form wrong and send in an incorrect amount of money this year - but that's beside the point. I'll straighten that out when I get there)

there have been some fantastic items in the silent auction. think about bringing some $$ with that in mind.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: kendall
Date: 05 Oct 05 - 01:33 PM

My first Getaway was way back in the mid 70's, and I have performed for the FSGW a number of times over the years, and even though I am too far from DC to participate in regular activities, I still get pleasure out of seeing the newsletter which goes with membership in FSGW. Yes, I'm one of those dual membership people with a foot in both camps. personally, I have not seen any resentment or any kind of rift between the two groups. Some of my favorite people are Mudcatters, some are not, but I still feel welcome in either group. If I'm not, I wish someone would tell me; I don't want to be a burden.LOL


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Claymore
Date: 05 Oct 05 - 04:58 PM

I concur with the above thoughts and have always attended as a non-member since the costs were higher and I felt it made up for my "intrusion", though I have been a part of the DC folk scene for years, albeit from Shepherdstown, WV where you'all come when you get any sense in you.

Last week I was in Ramblewood for "Scottish Weekend" (a weekend of music and Scottish Country Dance) and the week-end after the Getaway, I do Irish Weekend at HillTop House in Harpers Ferry. We take over an old hotel overlooking the confluence of the Potomac and the Shenandoah and play the sun up in the bar, then roll thirty or so yards down the hallway to our rooms with breakfast left somewhere close to the door.

I do a lot of this and enjoy every moment. I have no problems with paying extra whether it is non-Member or Associate fees.

Just Roll-On Big Muddy!


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 06 Oct 05 - 06:10 AM

Geoff and I are really looking forward to our first Getaway. We are coming to enjoy the music and hopefully make new friends. Inevitably we will want to seek out names from Mudcat especially those we have had correspondance with either on the forum or in the chat room but we will also want to meet and sing and play with others. We hope we will be able to help out with anything that needs to be done - just ask. As newcomers we may not know what is needed and wouldn't want to step on anyones toes by doing something someone else considers their area. As to the silent auction what sort of things tend to be in it?
Getting very excited. Only a week to go.
Jane and Geoff


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: karen k
Date: 06 Oct 05 - 09:22 AM

Mrs. Duck,
I'm glad you are coming. It will be nice to meet more Mudcatters. As for the auction, anything goes from clothes to jewelry to books or cd's of any kind to small children (well not really). Anything you think someone might like and you want to get rid of.

Have a safe trip.

karen


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Oct 05 - 10:34 AM

well...that's 'almost' it, karen k. We don't have unlimited space, so we hope folks will not bring large items that cover the table! We like lots of things that are 'folk related',(books, CDs, etc.) but we get amazing other things also...like a 6-pack of beer from an unusual place or hand-made jewelry. If we get a LOT of stuff, we may have to get more creative in how we display it....

and by the way, we may need a couple of volunteer helpers to sorta manage the auction area (make sure bid sheets are in order and properly located and items are not misplaced..etc...and possibly help tallying and notifying winners....we are still juggling exactly how we'll do it all. (In a volunteer organization, responsibility is a shifty thing..*grin*)


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 06 Oct 05 - 03:56 PM

Well like I said anything you want doing ask and we'll do our best to help.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Ferrara
Date: 06 Oct 05 - 04:28 PM

Well Nancy and I set up the grid last night. I came home, copied last year's grid, emptied it and started typing. Just about the time I thought, "Oh, this is really going quickly," MS-WORD decided not to allow any changes to one of the schedule blocks. (MicroSoft we love you too....) So today I am starting over from scratch. I want to put up the grid as soon as Nancy and Carly take another look at it. But we have already found some conflicts so we need to take one more look.

We always put up the schedule grid in a draft form and let everyone who's interested take a look and make suggestions. So don't put too much faith in the way it looks when we first get it up -- people always have really good suggestions. (Such as "Don't schedule George Ward against himself on Saturday morning!")

I'm going to start putting up some blurbs about some of these workshops. They look great!

Rita


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Ferrara
Date: 06 Oct 05 - 04:37 PM

Yes, we would like two volunteers to help with the Silent Auction. Please! And Thank You.

There are two jobs: First, set up the space on Friday and set out the auction sign-up sheets. The space is on one side of the Craft MarketPlace (between the dining room and the TV room.) Charlie or Bill D or I can tell you where to set it up. We will be there early.

There is a sheet for each item being auctioned. The person donating tells what it is, who donated it, and the minimum bid.

There is a minimum bid increment of $1.00. That is to keep sly people from winning a bid by a jump of a penny or two (a lesson we learned the first year we did this.)

Judy O can provide sample sign-up sheets (by e-mail if necessary) if someone will print them, bring them, and set them up and set up the Silent Auction tables early Friday (by 6 or 7 pm at the latest I guess, preferably by 5pm.)

Then, we need someone who is already an FSGW member to make the announcement to close the auction (I think it closes at the start of the dinner hour on Sunday), collect the money, record the money and give people whatever they bought. The money needs to go to Charlie Baum. We'll try to get a sheet laid out where it can be recorded and totaled before you give it to him.

Any volunteers?

And, do you know what a joy it is to just throw this problem up on Mudcat and not have to get it done ourselves? It is wonderful.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Janie
Date: 06 Oct 05 - 04:40 PM

Rita--I'll set up the table, etc. We are usually there by about 6:00 or 6:30. I'll pm my e-mail address to you to forward to Judy so she can send me the sheet to copy.

Janie


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Janie
Date: 06 Oct 05 - 04:47 PM

Oh! If Judy is momnopp I can pm her directly.

Also, Dani and I usually drive up together. She can't leave before Friday morning, but if you really need another pair of hands there earlier on Friday, I can drive up separately. I'd leave Thursday night, spend the night in a motel along about Richmond, and could then be at Ramblewood much earlier on Friday.

Let me know.

Janie


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Ferrara
Date: 06 Oct 05 - 04:55 PM

Now for a little feedback on the workshops.

Don Meixner asked for a "Performance Hints" workshop. Darn it, Don, it was a great idea and now you will not get to see it. well that's life isn't it?

We've set it up with Judy and Dennis Cook, Chance "Fortunato" Shiver and Kendall Morse as leaders, plus of course other performers can add their 2 cents worth during the workshop. I don't know what they will cover but Don asked for all kinds of hints ranging from how to stand, how to pick a set list, when to tell jokes and what kind. (Actually if you ask Chance, he'll probably tell you that sometimes you should sing a song between jokes.) Dennis has years of experience doing sound, etc. This looks great to me.

George P asked for Harmonies. We have two workshops lined up. Penny Anderson will do a half hour session on "Gospel Harmonies" right before the "Gospel to Raise the Roof" session on Saturday. Then on Sunday, Charlie Baum and Mia Boynton will cover many different kinds of harmonies and teach at least one or two songs. Mia said that for one thing, she'd like to teach a simple Croatian song, with emphasis on how to get the kind of resonance that Croatian women use in their singing.

We have two song writers' sessions. On Saturday Susan Hills will lead "Song Writing Themes." This is intended to evoke lots of discussion and sharing. Susan wrote me that she "will bring and pass out a list of types of songs - for example, songs about a person, songs about a place, songs about politics, love songs, nostalgic songs. Any participant can choose a type of song and sing a good song he or she has written that illustrates that type. Then we'll have a brief discussion of the challenges faced in writing that type of song. Once a theme has been covered - usually, we'll have only one song per theme and always only one song per person - we'll move on to the next. Of course, as many people will be heard from as possible."

Then on Sunday, Micca and Andrew MacKay will lead a "Songwriters' Showcase." This will give us a chance to hear songs written by some of the talented songwriters who are coming this year. It looks like a great year for songwriters, which is why there are two sessions.

We are currently planning an hour and a half of shanties, led by Charley Ipcar and Ken Schatz. Also, an hour of "The Sea and Other Waters," led by George Ward. George knows lots of canal and other American water songs. This is also the place for forebitters, and other sea songs.

More later. Back to typing the *##@** grid.

Rita


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Ferrara
Date: 06 Oct 05 - 05:14 PM

Janie, it's a deal! See my PM. Do you want to handle collecting the money, etc as well as setting things up?


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Tinker
Date: 06 Oct 05 - 06:07 PM

Rita, I can help on the collection end of things. I'd love to have a second set of hands and eyes to help me with this. Any volunteers ??


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Jeri
Date: 06 Oct 05 - 06:15 PM

Rita, you can probably just un-protect the offending block. If you want me to try, I can PM you my e-mai. (It ain't the same old @usedto.be.)

Workshop feedback: If you schedule ANY of those at the same time, I'm going to be somewhat disappointed. I'd eagerly go to all of them.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Jeri
Date: 06 Oct 05 - 06:29 PM

In MSWord, it's "Tools" on the menu and 'Unprotect', or protect and then tell it to allow everything.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Oct 05 - 07:02 PM

about the auction area & tables... I try to be there early to get the 'basic' setup done. There are a lot of camp tables (in various degrees of repair) stacked about, and we need to define the spaces before folks come in and strew things about. It looks like we'll have more folks and more crafts and more auction this year, so we 'may' have to be more stringent about what is done in that area between the dining room and the TV room where workshops happen....partly to allow all the needed displays, and partly to keep the noise level down so workshops are not disturbed... I wish there were a door on the TV room...but...

In any case, The silent auction space 'might' end up being over in that area where all those pedestal tables are stacked on top of each other, so we can have better access and to reduce crowding near registration and crafts. I have no idea how the booths on one side will figure into it all...I guess we'll work it out as Friday night progresses.... I'll bring my usual "keep the noise down during workshops" sign.

It all works out...if we WORK it out....


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Ferrara
Date: 06 Oct 05 - 09:22 PM

Jeri, thank you. I already re-typed the blasted thing but I kept the one that's the problem and will give your solution a try.

Tinker, great, not sure how it would work to have two people handling the final disposition of auction items & finances, how do you keep track of who's done what? I leave it up to you to work it out.

Can you make up a sheet to record the final auction results? (You'll need at least 2 pages -- I hope!) Just columns with heading, Item, Donated by, Final Price, Purchaser, Paid (Cash or Check #) I think would do it. Maybe Judy O already has such a form but I don't think so. That, and the envelope with all the payments, needs to go to Charlie Baum after all the items are handled.

We always have another problem: What to do with unsold items. Try to get them back to the donors! "If you bring it, and nobody bids for it, you take it home with you...." Carly and Dean, Bill and I, and Charlie and Lisa already have massive collections of "Lost & Found" from various events; I think Bill still has the potato that Mick brought to the Getaway for Catspaw in 2000, although I am not really sure about that.

For the record, Janie and Tinker are both members of FSGW. Now, one more to help Tinker & we'll have the Silent Auction all set.

Mudcatters have always contributed a lot to the functioning of the Getaway. I have particularly noted how generous they are with time & energy during the final cabin check-outs and Monday camp clean-up, and   I especially have to mention Joe Offer and Big Mick's here (that is, when Mick isn't busy rescuing Jeri's car from tree stumps).


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: CET
Date: 06 Oct 05 - 09:23 PM

I'm not sure when we will get there from WYSIWYG's place in Pennsylvania, but it should be reasonably early. I will be glad to help out with anything that needs doing.

Edmund


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Ferrara
Date: 06 Oct 05 - 10:04 PM

Thanks Edmund. As Bill said, we may need help moving tables to set up the "Craft Marketplace" and Silent Auction.

Everybody, don't forget to bring your CD's to sell! And of course Dick and Susan bring the CAMSCO music store with them. Gosh I wish Don could bring his silver. Next year, huh?

Have typed the draft grid and sent it to Nancy and Carly for another scrub. Will put it up tomorrow, if they okay it.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: jacqui.c
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 12:06 AM

I'm happy to give Tinker a hand with the auction collection.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Janie
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 08:19 AM

I'm a member of FSGW?

(then I better get a membership application and dues sent in;>)

Tinker and Jacqui--see my pm.

Janie


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Ferrara
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 12:52 PM

Whoops, Janie, and Tinker, I read it wrong. Nope, you aren't FSGW members. Jacqui is though, I believe. Jacqui, is that right? In the past I've been told that to handle money, etc, we have to have an FSGW member. It's probably an insurance thing or other legal requirement. (I wouldn't think that would apply to setting up the Silent Auction on Friday!)

I will try to get more info.

Rita


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Janie
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 01:10 PM

Rita,

Not to worry. I'll join when I get there if need be.

Janie


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: jacqui.c
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 01:11 PM

Yes, I am an FSGW member so Sunday night won't be a problem.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Janie
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 01:17 PM

Rats Jacqui---and I thought I had found a way to reimburse some of my travel expenses...can't do that with some one else counting up the til!

Janie


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Tinker
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 01:26 PM

Rita I'll join on Friday night (it's a payday) and then it won't bve an issue for either of us.

tink

Janie.... I'm LOL at the idea of you and Dani playing at being some sort of Thelma and Louise....


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Ferrara
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 01:44 PM

Okay, THE SCHEDULE (draft) IS ON LINE.

Saturday Grid

Sunday Grid

Workshop leaders, we want you to tell us if you are scheduled opposite a must-see workshop. We'll try to "fix it."

Everybody, tell us where your worst conficts are. We'll try to fix it if enough people holler ouch. (It's one of those things where sometimes the cure can be worse than the disease, so we're careful about making changes.)

Last year a few people suggested that the Getaway would be less hectic (and frustrating) if we had a bit fewer workshops and let them go on longer so more people could participate. We are trying that this year.

Workshop leaders are listed pretty much in the order in which they were signed up to lead the workshop. (Sometimes that's just a matter of who was home to answer the phone when we first called.)

Let us know what you think. (Oh, yes, this is the Mudcat.... Of course you will!)

Rita


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Janie
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 01:54 PM

The Cloning workshop--will it be late Friday night or during breakfast on Saturday morning?

Janie


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 02:12 PM

Janie...our resident biologist is lamarca....I tried to get her to arrange that cloning stuff YEARS ago, but she mumbled some silly excuse (like "HA!") and suggested I might have to wait a few years.

Mini-disks, tape recorders and photos help...but....


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: SINSULL
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 04:07 PM

Main conflicts - yes.

Now do something about it!


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Janie
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 04:10 PM

Bill, I have one thing to say about that.       HA!.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Janie
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 04:14 PM

Ha!


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Charley Noble
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 05:46 PM

Rita-

Schedule looks interesting. When I print it, however, the beginning time gets partially clipped. The workshops also don't line up consistently as I scan across, probably some weird formating problem. Maybe it's because I'm working with a MAC.

I'm assuming that the Shanties Workshop begins at 3 and ends at 3:30 pm. What kind of space is the Gym? How large is it? Does it got ropes to climb up?

Cheerily,
Charley Noble
Shanties Workshop Co-coordinator


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Bill D
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 06:17 PM

Charlie...the gym is a BIG place...full basketball court size.

smaller workshops need to cuddle..*grin*...but it has never been a serious problem. And look close..the shanties workshop is from 3 to 4:30

(printed copies of schedule will be at registration...all lined up)


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Ken Schatz
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 09:59 PM

(Thanks Charlie - just sent you a note.)

I'm particularly excited about the "Lunch Learned in the Oral Tradition" workshop. Not only did I learn songs from Nancy King, I guess I learned lunch from her too.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Ferrara
Date: 07 Oct 05 - 10:49 PM

Ken I'm going to ignore that, no doubt MS-WORD or your browser has done something to the lines between workshops on the grid.

I am missing an Open sing tonight. Somehow I was so worn out today (no, not because of the Getaway, or any other reason I know of) that I slept all afternoon and most of the evening. Sigh.... Anyway now that I'm awake thought I'd take a look in on the thread.

There is another way that Mudcatters can of help this year. Actually Carly reminded me of it. She's planning to bring an extra large potluck contribution. A lot of people may find it difficult to bring potluck because of airport schedules, etc. Maybe some of you can bring a larger potluck offering than usual, especially main dishes. We don't want people traveling all the way from Wherever only to get to Ramblewood and find there is not enough to eat and they are going to go hungry until Saturday morning!

Thanks,
Rita


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Nancy King
Date: 08 Oct 05 - 12:17 AM

Well, I'm not going to ignore it -- it cracked me up!


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 08 Oct 05 - 06:01 AM

Well I prefer my lunch in the oral tradition as sticking it in my ear ruins the hair :0)


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 08 Oct 05 - 07:20 AM

You heard wrong Jane it's aural!
G.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: jacqui.c
Date: 08 Oct 05 - 07:35 AM

Will there be facilities to heat food on Friday night? If so I'll bring a big pot of chilli as well as a cheesecake.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Oct 05 - 09:57 AM

we dont have access to the kitchen at Ramblewood....people sometimes bring plug-in pans or pots, but plugs are limited, too. (And remember...there are not full facilities for washing pots in the dining room-only a tiny sink, I think.)

Let's see if Charley Baum can get info from the camp in the next several days about what the limits are. We MUST be able to clean up what we bring so the camp staff is not faced with a mess on Sat morning.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Charley Noble
Date: 08 Oct 05 - 11:57 AM

Bill-

Thanks for the clarification on the duration of the Shanties/Chanteys/Chanties Workshop. 90 minutes should be ample for a rousing good session.

Ken-

Thanks for the detailed notes. Maybe we could work them up as a shanty:

Oooh wake her! Oh, shake her!
Let's hear next from that gal with the blue dress on,
Johnny come down to Hilo,
Poor old man!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Ferrara
Date: 08 Oct 05 - 12:31 PM

On the other thread, people have advised us against having "anything" opposite the Helen Schneyer workshop. I tend to feel the same way, but I know there will be people coming to the Getaway who never knew Helen. Any suggestions for what we could put opposite "Remembering Helen Schneyer"? I can see we need changes there.

Edmund has given us some good suggestions for the schedule grid. The biggest problem with programs like this is conflicts that leave people feeling disappointed at having to miss a favorite workshop. Every year we work overtime trying to get rid of the worst conflicts. In general there are groups of people who will gravitate to different kinds of music and we try to have something for each of those groups in hopes they will all find something they like, but not too many things they like, at each time slot.

Bill mentioned feeling that Sunday afternoon is full of conflicts for him. How many others have the same problem?

We really welcome comments, folks -- we need more feedback before we consider any changes to the schedule.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Ferrara
Date: 08 Oct 05 - 12:36 PM

Here's another question for the group. We didn't put much in the early mornings this year because people tend to be sleepy and not quite make it to the earliest workshops.

BUT. We could ease some of the conflicts by making more use of those early morning time slots.

How many of you expect to be up and ready to make music by 10 in the morning on Sunday? Saturday?


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: voyager
Date: 08 Oct 05 - 12:44 PM

Will the Get-Away accept walk-on registration for a Saturday program?
I've printed out the forms to send to Judy C. but won't know if I'm
good to go until the end of next week.

voyager
FSGW Ghetto
Silver Spring, MD.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Pauline L
Date: 08 Oct 05 - 01:07 PM

Skarpi said we might hear

some Hardangursfiddlestunes and song with that great Instrument

That would be wonderful. I have tried playing a Hardangur fiddle and I'd love to learn and hear more. I'm also looking forward to hearing some Icelandic songs, too.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Janie
Date: 08 Oct 05 - 01:13 PM

Rita, I think 10:00 is a reasonable time to start--most of us make it out to breakfast.

For myself, I just accept that I am going to have to make some hard choices, and also that I will have to split up some workshops--catching the first half of one and the 2nd half of another.

Janie


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 08 Oct 05 - 01:18 PM

I hope I will get other chances to hear Bobert during the weekend, as we clash on Sunday.
Giok


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Charley Noble
Date: 08 Oct 05 - 02:36 PM

Rita-

The draft schedule looks much nicer now that my wife copied it and repasted it into MS Word, with the cell separations.

10 AM is fine with me. I don't plan to do any sleeping anyway...

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Ferrara
Date: 08 Oct 05 - 03:14 PM

Voyager,

Are you coming just for Saturday during the day? I don't think that's a problem but Charlie Baum is the one who can give you an answer. You can send him a PM or an e-mail (special At fsgw DOT org).


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: CET
Date: 08 Oct 05 - 03:56 PM

10 a.m. would be OK for me. I'm an early riser even after a hard night's singing.

Edmund


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: jacqui.c
Date: 08 Oct 05 - 05:54 PM

I'm fine with 10.00am as well - not so sure about the Cap'n!


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: CET
Date: 08 Oct 05 - 06:36 PM

10 a.m. would be OK for me. I'm an early riser even after a hard night's singing.

Edmund


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Amos
Date: 08 Oct 05 - 07:40 PM

I can't tear myself in half between doing blues with Bobert and Irish war songs with Mick. That's a fine pickle to be in, I tell ya. Incandesent, even!!

Speaking of incandescent pickles, is Bert coming down? He likes to sing the "Pickle Glows at Night " tune.

A


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 08 Oct 05 - 07:44 PM

Will any of the tables be selling strings I need a set and can't get into town before I leave?
Giok ☻


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Ferrara
Date: 08 Oct 05 - 07:52 PM

Giok, probably not, what kind of strings do you use? Can anybody volunteer to pick up a set for him?

Thanks to folks who are volunteering to move to early in the morning. Now folks, if we move them you have to wake up and go to their workshops!


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 08 Oct 05 - 07:55 PM

D'Addario or La Bella Silk on Steel Mediums.
G ☺


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Ferrara
Date: 08 Oct 05 - 08:03 PM

Mmario, would you be willing to have the Pub Sing opposite "Helen Schneyer Remembered"? We need something with general appeal to provide a refuge for folks who never heard of Helen and want to go sing something during that session. I know Darriel won't mind; in the years when Helen was coming to the Getaway, he was running around outside with the other little kids and never heard any music if he could possibly avoid it.

And I've decided to move American Trad (my own workshop) from against Helen Remembered! Well, it will be a conflict for a lot of people besides me. (Hmmmm ... But then I'm gonna want to go to Pub Sing if my kid is leading it ... this stuff gets complicated.)

I may also ask Dottie if we can hold the Waltz Jam in that time slot.

Guess we'd also better make the Helen session an hour and a half. Well that makes sense to me. In my mind, Helen was more or less the Queen of the Getaway for all the years she came to it.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Tinker
Date: 08 Oct 05 - 10:14 PM

I'll pick up a set of strings before I head out Giok. I go by the music shop most days.

tinker


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 09 Oct 05 - 03:45 AM

Thanks Tink, I was just suffering from senile angst here trying to remember if I use Medium or Light, as I'd totally forgotten, my mind is a wilderness without signposts these days. Anyway I had to look at the maker's web site to be sure, I do prefer the D'Addario and a couple of sets might be best if you can manage that.
Thanks.
Giok ☺


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: MMario
Date: 09 Oct 05 - 10:13 AM

That's an okay-fine from me Rita!


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Charley Noble
Date: 09 Oct 05 - 10:52 AM

How does the CD table work? Should performers bring inventory sheets along with their CD's? Should we provide a change envelope (with change)? Is everything on a cash basis or is there a credit card option for purchasers?

Or do we just add our CD's to a pile and hope for the best!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Bill D
Date: 09 Oct 05 - 11:56 AM

credit cards only if YOU have your own account/machine.. Camsco does their own. Other CDs are usually just put neatly on a (usually separate) table with a little sign, if needed, and an envelope for money/checks. Change is however it works best. People just find each other and juggle it...(so far, the honor system seems to work fine...Rita & I put our crafts out, and people find us and throw money when they can). The Camsco table is about the only place that is manned continuously. It's all really a pretty nice, if hectic, arrangement...


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 09 Oct 05 - 01:12 PM

I was only going to bring a small suitcase!!
G ☺


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Ferrara
Date: 09 Oct 05 - 01:40 PM

Well Giok, better bring one of those expandable packable folding ones as well :-) CAMSCO has an incredible assortment of CD's, and besides lots of the Mudcatters will bring their CD's I hope.

And we'll have various other goodies such as Jed Marum's latest CD, and a few copies of his first CD as well. As he has done before, Jed has donated them to benefit the Getaway Silent Auction.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Ferrara
Date: 09 Oct 05 - 06:45 PM

NEW SCHEDULES ARE ON LINE.

Saturday Grid - Oct 9
Sunday schedule grid - Oct 9

We were able to ease some of the conflicts by using more hours, i.e. starting more workshops early in the morning and/or right after lunch. Now, in fairness to the workshops leaders, be ready to get to those workshops on time.

And, if you are leading a workshop right after lunch, you have permission to go straight to the lunch counter without waiting in line.

It will really help if you get comments to us as soon as possible (by Monday night if you can, but earlier is much better.) We need time to ponder what changes are still possible and what the impact of changes would be. And of course we need time to get the grids to the printer.

Thanks, we hope this helps,
Rita


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Bill D
Date: 10 Oct 05 - 11:22 AM

refresh for easy notice


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: GUEST,Nancy King at work
Date: 10 Oct 05 - 11:31 AM

Hmmm -- not much comment. Does that mean we finally got it perfect?

Nancy


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 10 Oct 05 - 11:40 AM

I'm travelling light, if it gets so cold or wet that I need to buy a cheap sweater or kagoul, is there a thrift shop anywhere near?
Sorry not really listed on programme but!
Giok


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Bill D
Date: 10 Oct 05 - 11:53 AM

not much real close to the camp, Giok, but there are usually extra wraps for emergencies. (I have this BIG van, and I always toss some jackets, rain gear, sweaters...etc...in a bag behind the seat...with so many visitors, I will try for a selection)

weather forecast 'now' suggests there 'may' be some scattered showers on Sat, with Sunday still looking clear.....I guess it depends on how fast these systems end up moving and their precise track.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Janie
Date: 10 Oct 05 - 12:00 PM

Nancy, it is ALWAYS perfect. And anyway--I'm afraid if I complained I'd have the job next year ;>)

Janie


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Bill D
Date: 10 Oct 05 - 12:04 PM

hey...wanna see a pic of the weather forecast? (for Havre de Grace, a few miles away...)

Oh, I do love technology! *grin*


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Charley Noble
Date: 10 Oct 05 - 12:28 PM

Bill-

Weather looks a lot better than the 8 inches of rain we collected here in Maine this weekend.

I'll probably bring some foul weather gear anyway, along with a sleeping bag and a couple of extra blankets. But then again, who sleeps?

Program looks better to me.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Janie
Date: 10 Oct 05 - 12:31 PM

Dry socks. Wool or synthetic socks. Extra pairs. Rain boots. Wool cap.

Warm dry feet and warm dry head make for happy campers....and once clothes get wet they will stay wet as there is no heat anywhere.

From One Who Knows!
Janie


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Ferrara
Date: 10 Oct 05 - 12:46 PM

Yes, everybody needs to bring rain gear and cold weather gear if they have room for it! And several changes of socks in case of wet feet.

And flashlights. It is dark between buildings in the camp at night and they do help.

If you're not traveling too light, bring an identifiable coffe cup to avoid using too many styrofoam cups.

Also, I recommend using a heating pad for warmth at night rather than a space heater -- less likely to blow the fuses and leave everybody without warmth. Turn it off in the daytime though! They can be a fire hazard. Or, if you have any of those microwaveable bags filled with rice or seed corn, you can warm it at the dining hall. No electricity, no fire hazard, but only about 4 hours of warmth.

There is a (small, low-watt) microwave in the dining room, and hot water and coffee until they run out late at night. Charlie writes that there is a large hot plate for the Friday potluck for keeping foods a bit warm. There is NO facility for cooking though, be sure whatever you bring is fully cooked.

There is only a tiny sink for washing up after the potluck but some folks take their stuff to the bathrooms to wash it.

By the way, one of the least appreciate features of Ramblewood is that the bathrooms are down a flight of stairs from the dining room and TV Room. If you can't manage the stairs, make sure you leave yourself time to get to one of the cabins! Or, you can go outside and come in on the lower level.

For people who really can't handle going up and down stairs all day we have special parking permits to let them drive from venue to venue. PM Charlie ahead of time if you need one. And, if you have a parking permit, please pay careful attention to the areas where we are allowed to park. For example don't park too close to the dining hall.

Bring your own bed linens and some extras for overseas guests, we've discussed that before.

Have you all found the Directions and What to Bring ?


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Ferrara
Date: 10 Oct 05 - 12:58 PM

Nancy pointed out that I forgot to put Greg Dunn's name (Skipjack K8) on the Squeezeboxes workshop. I have fixed it, and Greg I'm sorry for the oversight.

Also, I've now put up the WORD versions of the schedule to make them easy to print. You'll have to download them and open them in WORD. The htm versions are still available if you can't read WORD.

Saturday - MS WORD version

Sunday - MS WORD version


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Bill D
Date: 10 Oct 05 - 02:59 PM

note to the directions note: Registration will NOT be in the Gazebo that you see as you arrive... We tried that a couple of times, and it is just too open and windy/wet and gets dark too soon....is is 'possible' there will be someone there for VERY early arrivals, but IF you need to unload stuff at the dining hall, it is best just to go straight at the gazebo, aim to the left of the white house, and head slowly down the hill (dirt becoming narrow asphalt) past cabins on the left till you get to the backdoor of the dining hall. There is ***TEMPORARY** parking for 8-12 cars down there, but ONLY for brief unloading.

If you have only small bags, etc, it is best to park in the BIG open lot beside the Gazebo and walk down to registration ...........We need people to **NOT* clog & clutter the small amount of parking space at the dining hall....MOST of the cabins have a way to drive right near the doors to unload, but you may need direction to get there...so register first!

If you are new....walking to the right of the big White house takes you right down a grassy hill to the front door of the dining hall, but if if is wet and/or dark, it is best to follow the dirt/asphalt road to the left of the White house until you have seen it once in the daylight.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: curmudgeon
Date: 10 Oct 05 - 03:20 PM

And here's another weather forecast.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Amos
Date: 10 Oct 05 - 04:02 PM

Looks like 70F days, 50F nights, a little wind but probably no rain. Hope it stays that way!!!

Is 50F that cold? We don't get much below 65F here.

A


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Skipjack K8
Date: 10 Oct 05 - 04:14 PM

Thanks for that Rita. I look forward to my visit to your country, and particularly to playing the White House. Does Dubya have a flag up whilst he's in residence, like Mrs Queen? I'll need an eager intern or two to help me with my equipment, and a statistician to convert temperatures into centigrade so I know how cold it is at night.

This is shaping up nicely.......


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Bill D
Date: 10 Oct 05 - 04:27 PM

50° is not cold..but if you're not used to it, and extra sweater is handy. It has been in the low 40s a few times at night the last several years and when the cabin is not heated...well...

This year looks tolerable.

Skipjack...we'll have a color chart for temp. Hold your fingers or nose up beside it, and compare shades of blue!


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: skarpi
Date: 10 Oct 05 - 04:54 PM

halló can you tell me what this means in celsius ?

all the best Skarpi Iceland.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Amos
Date: 10 Oct 05 - 05:05 PM

50 degrees Fahrenheit = 10 degrees Celsius
70 degrees Fahrenheit = 21 degrees Celsius

Look forward to meeting you, Skarpi!



Amos


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: curmudgeon
Date: 10 Oct 05 - 05:07 PM

Skarpi - Go to the link I posted for Accuweather, and at the upper left under "Darlington, MD," click on "metric" to get your Celsius reading -- Tom


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 10 Oct 05 - 05:57 PM

Well I think I've packed for every possible weather. Now how do I get it down to the 20kg allowed by the airline!


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 10 Oct 05 - 06:39 PM

OK panic over its 32kg!


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Bill D
Date: 10 Oct 05 - 07:31 PM

how heavy can Duck down be? ;>)


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Allan C.
Date: 10 Oct 05 - 08:16 PM

I'd be pleased to offer my services to Skipjack and the other folks from the UK. I feel somewhat qualified to act as translator and interpreter for English/English interactions. My fees are very reasonable.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Fortunato
Date: 10 Oct 05 - 09:08 PM

Duck down, Day, duck down. Ground fire light to moderate.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Skipjack K8
Date: 11 Oct 05 - 05:30 AM

Oh, rather, Allan! We need a chap like Hawkeye on that job, dealing with the natives etc. No French about, are there?


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 11 Oct 05 - 11:09 AM

I can do French, Greg! Its American I have trouble with!


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 11 Oct 05 - 11:18 AM

'Doing French' has different meanings in different countries Jane!!
Giok ☺


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: jacqui.c
Date: 11 Oct 05 - 04:51 PM

Jane - I'm still learnig American but am happy to translate as well.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 11 Oct 05 - 07:01 PM

Does it giok ;0)


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Charley Noble
Date: 11 Oct 05 - 08:30 PM

How early is "early" on Friday? We New Englanders always arrive early and then grit our teeth WAITING for the official registrastion folks to show up and do their thing. That is we're early if we remember what weekend the event is happening on.

I believe that Gateway 2005 is this weekend, October 14-17th, for the whole thing.

Cheerily,
Charley Nobel et al


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Jeri
Date: 11 Oct 05 - 08:45 PM

I'm going to try to pack on Thursday and leave early Friday. I'm skipping the George bridge and I have a care that gets MPGs instead of GPMs, so I may make it in record time.

Charley, is the 'Gateway 2005' a race or is it a deal like the big party I remember hearing about for Saturn owners. I have a Gateway computer, and they must have forgotten to send my invitation.

Yes, it's this coming weekend. I also would like to know when we're allowed to show up... like I might make it that early... (flap, flap, oink)


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Bobert
Date: 11 Oct 05 - 08:52 PM

As fir folks concerned about the temperatures at Camp Tumbleweed, hey, irregarless of the time of year or what the temp is outside, the cabins are maintained year long at a constant 33 degress ferinhite...

Bring lots of blankets and three dogs...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Charley Noble
Date: 11 Oct 05 - 08:54 PM

My "care" will race your "care" to the "Gateway" and then our molecules will be transported and hopefully reassembled on another friendly planet...

Cheerily,
Charley Ignoble


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Ferrara
Date: 11 Oct 05 - 09:32 PM

It says on the Official Getaway Thread that registration starts at 4 pm. Bill D and Charlie Baum will probably be there before that but I don't think the camp "opens" until 3 pm. Aim for 4.

Will anybody have any heartburn if we move George's Byzantine Hymn workshop to 5 pm Saturday (instead of 11:30 am)? I'd like to move Susan Hills' Songwriting Themes to 11:30. At 5pm, it would be in conflict with Country & Western. Susan participates in the C&W as a singer as well as adding her clarinet harmonies to the C&W jam, and I'd like to arrange it so she can be there.

If I can't do that, I can probably switch Songwriting Themes with Dick Greenhaus' 10:30am "Roots of the Music" workshop but I think 10:30 is not as good a spot for the Songwriting Themes as 11:30.

We're going to add an Open Sing & Jam opposite the Remembering Helen Scneyer workshop. (So that Chance and Bob Clayton can get to RHS.) We need one or two people to lead it. Unfortunately I suspect the only people who don't intend to go to Remembering Helen are coming from foreign parts (!) and it may be too late to reach them via this thread. Not to worry. If we don't get any volunteers via Mudcat we'll ask for a couple of volunteers once we get to the camp.

Rita


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: GUEST,Dani
Date: 11 Oct 05 - 10:03 PM

Rita, I forget who all the Byzantine Babes are, but I think Mick might be one, which might create a conflict with his workshop.

Also, if no one else comes forward, I'd be happy to lead/co-lead a sing for those of us who "Didn't know Helen, WISH we'd known Helen, and with all due respect, will just have to go off and sing something we didn't learn from her".

Dani


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Susan of DT
Date: 11 Oct 05 - 10:04 PM

The CAMSCO tables will be available at all times, but NOT manned. This is the one event (also the Carlaway) where we can bring the CDs, set up and go away and listen to music. Our system is to have people put their selections in bags with their name on it and catch us to pay for them. Please only put the CD in a bag if you are definately buying it - we bring only one copy of most CDs (~2000 titles). One or t'other of us should be at the table around meal times plus whenever we are passing thru. We take cash, check, or charge.

If anyone wants CAMSCO to handle their CDs for the weekend, talk to Dick.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Fortunato
Date: 11 Oct 05 - 10:10 PM

Bobert, it's Camp Runamok, not Tumbleweed. You obviously were frightened by the Son of the Pioneers at an early age.

by the way, Bobert, can you yodel?


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: GUEST,Dani
Date: 11 Oct 05 - 10:13 PM

If he couldn't before, he will when he hits the water in the pool.... stick around.

Dani


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Ferrara
Date: 11 Oct 05 - 11:34 PM

Dani, I think you're right about Mick! --

Well I'm going to Plan B. I've moved the Byzantine Hymn one hour earlier, to 10:30 AM. Songwriting Themes is at 11:30 AM and Roots of the Music is at 5 pm, all in the White House. (Thanks Dick.)

And thank you Dani (and Curmudgeon, who sent a PM) for offering to lead the Open Sing & Jam at 1:30 on Saturday. There will also be a Waltz Sing & Jam in the Gym at that time by the way.

I have put up the proposed schedules, same links:

Saturday Grid

Sunday Grid

Saturday Grid as WORD doc
Sunday Grid as WORD doc

Will add Dani's and Curmudgeon's names before it goes to the printer.

Rita


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Ferrara
Date: 11 Oct 05 - 11:41 PM

Well, I don't know what I've done wrong in the upload. Dick Levine's name still isn't on the Harps workshop in the SUNDAY grid, WORD version, but I'll figure it out in the morning.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Amos
Date: 12 Oct 05 - 12:08 AM

Fortubnato:

Don't confuse things! Camp Runamuck was the annual hoot at JenEllen's (which only lasted one year, sadly). It's in all the threads on the subject.

A


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Nancy King
Date: 12 Oct 05 - 12:40 AM

I've often heard it referred to as Camp Escher, since wherever you want to go is always uphill from wherever you are.

(LOL, Dani!)


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Janie
Date: 12 Oct 05 - 06:46 PM

There is always some last minute crisis. I just discovered my kazoo ain't kazooing properly;O{ Will I be welcomed without it?

Oh dear, oh dear.

Janie


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Oct 05 - 07:08 PM

kazoos will be around....*I* have a kazoo with a monitor, as well as the usual kind..*grin*


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Fortunato
Date: 12 Oct 05 - 07:18 PM

Janie, I've just put a genuine, Hohner Kazoo in my guitar case with you in mind. It's white with a red sound hole, exceedingly decorative as well as harmonious.

I would be honored if you would play this kazoo at the Getaway.

regardez vous,
chance


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Janie
Date: 12 Oct 05 - 08:03 PM

Chance,

You are gentleman and scholar. My Getaway is saved!

Thank you so very much, kind suh.

Janie


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Dani
Date: 12 Oct 05 - 10:17 PM

Geez Louise, lady!

Did you forget who your chauffeur is?!

I spruced, polished, tuned and tested ALL my kazoos this afternoon. Took the rosewood stereo out for a drive.

Be ready.....

Dani


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Janie
Date: 12 Oct 05 - 10:38 PM

Oh Lord, Dani, I'm so,so sorry. I guess I just lost my head when I discovered mine wasn't working properly. I just sorta panicked, ya know?

Janie


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Oct 05 - 10:42 PM

dueling kazoos?? Mercy!


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Fortunato
Date: 12 Oct 05 - 10:47 PM

Happiness is having many kazoos to choose from. Although I am disappointed that Janie will not be buzzing my Kazoo, I'm older, and more mature now, and I CAN HANDLE IT, OK?

what's a kazoo amongst friends, after all?


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Dani
Date: 12 Oct 05 - 10:58 PM

Honey, Janie can buzz your kazoo all you like. It's good to know there's enough to go around. Someone else might be looking....

I keep 'em in my back pocket just in case, you know?

Dani


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Fortunato
Date: 12 Oct 05 - 11:21 PM

"But, soft! What light through yonder window breaks?
It is the east,..." and Janie and Dani are, just good friends of mine, OK,OK?


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Subject: Then the clouds parted and the sun shown...
From: Allan C.
Date: 13 Oct 05 - 06:53 AM

I just had a fresh look at the weather prognostications and it is looking mighty good! It'll just be a bit cloudy by the time folks arrive on Friday. Saturday is to be sunny and Sunday will be much the same. The nighttime temps are expected to be in the high forties, (7 to 9 C). Daytime highs of 75 and 65 on Saturday and Sunday, respectively, (approx. 24 and 18 C.) Hooray!


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: SussexCarole
Date: 13 Oct 05 - 08:47 AM

Well here we are...that's me & Andrew & Rumanci & Theresa all ready & waiting for our plane at Birmingham airport.   Be in JFK at around 21.00 tonight

See you all soon xxxx


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Ferrara
Date: 13 Oct 05 - 02:57 PM

Have been planning for weeks to post something on How To Lead A Getaway Workshop. Here it is, with many thanks to Ken Schatz. (Will have copies at the Getaway, of course.)

LEADING A WORKSHOP
At the FSGW GETAWAY


FSGW Getaway workshops have a unique "flavor" that adds to "Getaway Magic." Here's how it works. You are welcome to decide how much your workshop fits these guidelines, and ignore them if they don't work for you.

All our workshops are participatory. The audience are the performers and vice versa. "The really unique thing about the Getaway is not that the people are great musicians; it's that they are great listeners." We share.

In general each leader starts off with a song, then opens the session for participation. Some sing again later if no one is waiting to sing for the first time. When a leader has a special repertoire, we sometimes invite them to take 15 minutes at the start.

Do a straight sing-around or call on people, but pay attention to fairness. Try to make sure people who come to the beginning of the session get a chance. You may want to ask at the beginning, who is there hoping to lead a song during the session. Then make sure they get to sing, even if latecomers join the circle "ahead" of them.

We'd like to add a quick note to everyone about song swaps and late-night sings: Leave room for shy people to lead. If you led something in the last 15 to 30 minutes, count 30 when a song ends, before offering to do the next one. Some people take much longer than that to work up their courage and volunteer!

Here are some other great suggestions from Ken Schatz:

       Less talk, more singing: It's easy and tempting to let introductions and explanations go long, but 60 or 90 minutes go by quickly, and most of all, the people are there for the magic of the singing, and questions can always be answered later.

       Family hold back: Theme workshops like this aren't concerts. I find it works very well when leaders plan to do first song and last song, and fill in gaps whenever necessary.

       Everybody gets a chance: Everyone should be encouraged to contribute, and to lead if they would like. Round robin - going around the circle - isn't essential, but it usually works very well, and it's the leaders' responsibility to invite latecomers to lead.

       Of course it is called a workshop, not just a singaround, so a few moments of education/background/history as events warrant are needed and wonderful. I find if you have a song with a really interesting backstory, the best thing to do is pick one amazing salient fact about it that even people who are used to the repertoire might appreciate. That keeps explanations short, pithy, fascinating. Often very neat facts are brought up. I think leaders are chosen partly because they have lots of those things rattling around their brains for just such occasions, and if we know something particularly fascinating about a song someone else has sung, we can helpfully interject: "Great song - did you know...?"

       Keep a discreet eye on the time: We shouldn't feel as if we're playing beat the clock, but as ending time nears, it's good to announce that we have time for two or three more, so who'd really like to get one in.

       Encourage the shy, forgetful, and tone-deaf: It's how people get better, and very often they have stunning material or interpretations to contribute. Honestly sharing one's love for the songs is everything.

       Encourage the stars: As long as it's not at the expense of the common folk, if a really fantastic singer sneaks in and stays hovering in the corner, ask them if they'd like to do one, but don't press too much if they say no thanks. The perfect time to do that is when a mood wants to be kept up. Stars - people with large repertoires - are great for picking what song would be perfect at a given moment.

       Encourage themes, but don't overdo it: Point out recurring mini-themes, commonalities, motifs between songs as they arise organically. Just a pinch of that is nice - educational without being being overbearing, and it helps people think of things.

       Fill the holes: Leaders are responsible for momentum of the event, and for bringing up kinds of songs or examples that haven't been touched on yet.

       Have a plan about what you'll sing and be ready to abandon it:
Specific forethought helps and it shows, but in the moment, something else might be called for. Another factor in choosing leaders is their ability to think on their feet about the theme.

       For shy people, or singers new to the genre, broad leeway on the theme: Someone wanting to contribute or try something out is more important than sticking to a narrow definition of "shanty", for example. Let a newbie sing the theme song to Gilligan's Island if they need to.

       The Singer decides if they want accompaniment or not: encourage singing along or playing along unless whoever's leading says no thanks.

        For myself, I like to play it by ear, and fill in gaps - whatever goes perfectly with what was just sung, whatever we haven't heard yet during the weekend, and whatever the room seems to be in the mood for.

And finally, don't work too hard! Just relax and have fun, and everybody else will, too.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Ferrara
Date: 13 Oct 05 - 02:59 PM

I thought I'd post this paragraph separately because it's not just for workshop leaders. (Of course next year this kind of information will be available back in July, not at the last minute. Of course it will....)

"We'd like to add a quick note to everyone about song swaps and late-night sings: Leave room for shy people to lead. If you led something in the last 15 to 30 minutes, count to 30 when a song ends before offering to do the next one. Some people take much longer than that to work up their courage and volunteer!"

Thanks everybody for your help and contributions this year.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: InOBU
Date: 13 Oct 05 - 03:01 PM

Genie and Lorcan will be there, Irish pipes and guitar in hand... see you Friday eve... lor


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: MMario
Date: 13 Oct 05 - 03:05 PM

HUZZAH!


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: GUEST,Dani
Date: 13 Oct 05 - 04:24 PM

Just right... thank you!

Dani (who will always feel like a newbie at this thing...)


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Janie
Date: 13 Oct 05 - 10:33 PM

If I'm the only fool who brings a bike I'll have to ride it by myself again down on the old RR grade by the river.

Annie (not Janie) How in the world do my cookies get messed up with her cookies.


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Nancy King
Date: 14 Oct 05 - 01:10 AM

Dani, a newbie? I don't THINK so! You're an old hand, Dani, and it'll be great to see you! We'll have to remember to be gentle with the real newbies...


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Subject: RE: 2005 Getaway Program Information
From: Dani
Date: 14 Oct 05 - 08:29 AM

Amen, sister. Maybe I've taken to heart what I always tell new server trainees when I have 'em: tell them you're new when you are, and they'll always be forgiving. If you screw up when they THINK you should know what you're doing, you're sunk...

I just told my daughter that you're the lady who said I should bring her! She's excited to come this time, especially since I told her how good YOUR son is at singing Frog Went Courting. But tell him there's no pressure....

Dani


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