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Subject: RE: Origins: Salvation Army/Throw a Nickel on the Drum From: Big Al Whittle Date: 03 May 25 - 11:33 AM Come come come! Put your ha'pennies on the drum We're only 11 pence ha'penny off a bob! Salvation Army free from sin Tried to go heaven in a corn beef tin Corned beef tin was too small So the salvation Army couldn't go at all! Sally Army sell fish Three ha'pence a dish! |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Salvation Army/Throw a Nickel on the Drum From: Jack Horntip Date: 20 Apr 25 - 11:27 AM THE SALVATION ARMY MARCH 1950s. The Unoffical [sic] College Song Book. p.8. Download here: Unoffical College Song Book |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Salvation Army/Throw a Nickel on the Drum From: Lighter Date: 20 Apr 25 - 11:26 AM Herald Statesman (Yonkers, N.Y.) (Apr. 5, 1923): "Salvation Army Special - 'Drop a Nickel on the Drum and You'll be Saved.'" |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Salvation Army/Throw a Nickel on the Drum From: Jack Horntip Date: 20 Apr 25 - 11:17 AM SALVATION ARMY ca 1982. The Complete and Official Unexpergated [sic] Roadtrip Songbook. p.28. Undated. No location. Download here: Unexpergated Roadtrip Songbook |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Salvation Army/Throw a Nickel on the Drum From: Jack Horntip Date: 20 Apr 25 - 10:24 AM Since the raise in fare on the Har- December 12, 1919. The Shelby Beacon. Vol. VI, No. 35. p.25. Ellwood City, Pa. See here: https://books.google.com/books?id=wtwcAQAAMAAJ&pg=RA34-PA25&dq=%22put+a+penny+on+the+drum%22 |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Salvation Army/Throw a Nickel on the Drum From: Jack Horntip Date: 20 Apr 25 - 10:09 AM Penny on the Drum 1950s(?). Website is dedicated to memories of Butlin's. Other Butlin's is a UK-based chain of family holiday resorts with three main locations in England: Bognor Regis, Minehead, and Skegness. See here: https://www.butlins-memories.com/other/songs.htm |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Salvation Army/Throw a Nickel on the Drum From: Lighter Date: 20 Apr 25 - 08:56 AM Oscar Brand recorded (and presumably penned) a Salvation Army song on one of his "Bawdy Songs" albums in the early '60s. It used the "Save a Fighter Pilot" tune. All I remember is the first two lines: "They came marching down our ally like a bunch of Queen's Marines, A-playing "hallelujah!" on thei drums and tambourines." IIRC, it used the "dirty bum" chorus. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Salvation Army/Throw a Nickel on the Drum From: Jack Horntip Date: 20 Apr 25 - 08:49 AM From Liverpool Posted by Jim Carroll on October 20, 2012 to the Salvation Army comic song thread. See here: https://mudcat.org/detail_pf.cfm?messages__Message_ID=3422966 |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Salvation Army/Throw a Nickel on the Drum From: Jack Horntip Date: 19 Apr 25 - 10:43 PM Salvation Army Song Posted May 22, 2009 to Youtube. Sung by an octogenarian. The tune used is the same used for the WWI song "If You Want the Old Battalion We Know Where They Are (Barbed Wire)". Listen online: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4saJQylzgCs |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Salvation Army/Throw a Nickel on the Drum From: Jack Horntip Date: 19 Apr 25 - 10:12 PM Put a nickel on the drum August 31, 1960. Transcribed from the singing of Jean Redpath. Field recording by Arthur Argo. Listen online: https://www.tobarandualchais.co.uk/track/86360?l=en |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Salvation Army/Throw a Nickel on the Drum From: Jack Horntip Date: 19 Apr 25 - 07:47 PM Under the torches of the soap-box speakers, with 1929. The Good Red Bricks by Mary Synon See here: https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Good_Red_Bricks/3TZHAAAAYAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22nickel%20on%20the%20drum%22&pg=PA266&printsec=frontcover The Salvation Army has been the butt of three folksongs: "Away Away with Rum by Gum", "Throw a Nickel on the Drum", and the rare "Sister Anna Carry the Banner". Perhaps all related to to the original "Salvation Army, Oh!" (1882) (see here and here). |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Salvation Army/Throw a Nickel on the Drum From: Lighter Date: 10 Jun 23 - 11:29 AM I can't believe I typed "World War I." Of course it was World War II! There's no evidence of the song's existence as long ago as 1918. Hast maks wast. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Salvation Army/Throw a Nickel on the Drum From: Lighter Date: 09 Jun 23 - 02:23 PM The tune of the stanzas (not the choruses) is a lot like that of "Peeping Through the Knothole in Grandpa's Wooden Leg." |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Salvation Army/Throw a Nickel on the Drum From: Lighter Date: 09 Jun 23 - 02:04 PM Reportedly sung in 1940 by members of U.S. Amy Air Corps Flying School Class of Forty-A. (Spelling, line divisions, etc., sic. https://archive.org/details/1985souvenirsongbookgetzcollectionno-105/page/n1/mode/2up?q=%22pretzels+in+my+whiskers%22 OH - NOW I AM a KAYDET Tune - Throw a Nickel on the Drum I WAS LYING IN THE GUTTER, ALL COVERED UP WITH BEER. WITH PRETZELS IN MY WHISKERS, I KNEW MY END WAS NEAR. THEN CAME THE GLORIOUS ARMY AND SAVED ME FROM THE HEARSE. NOW EVERYBODY STRAIN A GUT AND SING ANOTHER VERSE. CHORUS SING HALLELUJAH, HALLELUJAH THROW A NICKEL ON THE DRUM, TAKE A QUARTER ON THE RUN. SING HALLELUJAH, HALELUJAH THROW A NICKEL ON THE DRUM AND YOU'LL BE SAVED. OH IT'S G- L - O - R - Y I AM S-A-V-E-D H-A-P-P-Y TO BE F - R - DOUBLE - E V-I-C-T-O-R-Y FROM THE WAYS OF S - I - N GLORY, GLORY HALLELUJAH TRA-LA-LA AMEN. NEW CHORUS SING HALLELUJAH, HALLELUJAH THROW A NICKEL ON THE STUMP, JUST TO SAVE A KAY-DETS RUMP. SING HALLELUJAH, HALLELUJAH THROW A NICKEL ON THE STUMP, AND YOU'LL BE SAVED. FOR NOW I AM A KAYDET A-LEARNIN* HOW 10 FLY. MY GLORIOUS SALVATION SHALL LIFT ME TO THE SKY. THE ARMY IS MY SAVIOUR FROM THE STRAIGHT AND NARROW WAY, THEY PAY ME SEVENTY-FIVE A MONTH AND TAKE IT ALL AWAY. ANOTHER NEW CHORUS SING HALLELUJAH, HALLELUJAH THROW A NICKEL ON THE GRASS JUST TO SAVE A PILOT'S ( — -) SING HALLELUJAH, HALLELUJAH THROW A NICKEL ON THE GRASS AND YOU - LL - BE - SAVED. NEW CHORUS SING HALLELUJAH, HALLELUJAH THROW A NICKEL ON THE STUMP, JUST TO SAVE A KAY-DETS RUMP. SING HALLELUJAH, HALLELUJAH THROW A NICKEL ON THE STUMP, AND YOU'LL BE SAVED. FOR NOW I AM A KAYDET A-LEARNIN' HOW TO FLY. MY GLORIOUS SALVATION SHALL LIFT ME TO THE SKY. THE ARMY IS MY SAVIOUR FROM THE STRAIGHT AND NARROW WAY, THEY PAY ME SEVENTY-FIVE A MONTH AND TAKE IT ALL AWAY. ANOTHER NEW CHORUS SING HALLELUJAH, HALLELUJAH THROW A NICKEL ON THE GRASS JUST TO SAVE A PILOT'S ( — -) SING HALLELUJAH, HALLELUJAH THROW A NICKEL ON THE GRASS AND YOU - LL - BE - SAVED. O(ther versions have the more common "bust a gut.") William Wallrich collected this version in the Army Air Forces during World War I: FIGHTER PILOT'S HYMN Laying in the gutter, Covered al over with beer, Pretzels in my whiskers, I thought the end was near. When along came the Air Force And saved me from the hearse. Now everybody get a drink And sing another verse. Chorus: Sing hallelujah! Sing hallelujah! Throw a nickel on the grass, Save a fighter pilot's brass. [sic Sing hallelujah! Sing hallelujah! Throw a nickel on the grass, And you'll be saved. I was rolling down the runway, Headed for a ditch, I looked down at the quadrant, My God, I'm in high pitch. I shoved the throttle forward, And nosed into the air -- Glory, glory, hallelujah! How did I get there? Chorus. I flew my traffic pattern, I thought I flew it right, I turned onto the final -- My God, I racked it tight. The ship began to shudder, The engine began to wheeze, Major ________! Major______! Major____! Spin instructions please! Wallrich ("Air Force Airs," 1957) also includes a text almost the same as the Navy "village belle" version above. Air Force versions elaborating on Wallrich's flying stanzas while dropping the pretzels stanza began appearing during the Korean War, all with the "nickel on the grass" chorus. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Salvation Army/Throw a Nickel on the Drum From: Jack Horntip Date: 08 Jun 23 - 07:01 PM Mr. Menchen's April Americana reported that Mr. Billy Sunday has announced |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Salvation Army/Throw a Nickel on the Drum From: Jack Horntip Date: 24 May 20 - 07:47 PM pg 45, Aloha Jigpoha HALLELUJAH! This songbook was put together by Navy linguistic teams and mimeographed in 1945. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Salvation Army/Throw a Nickel on the Drum From: Jack Horntip Date: 24 May 20 - 05:41 PM One of the most familiar sights in America is a little knot of Salvation Army preachers From The Nation 1929. See google books preview here: https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Nation/rzoTAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22nickel+on+the+drum%22&dq=%22nickel+on+the+drum%22&printsec=frontcover This snippet confirms at least the *belief* that The Salvation Army used the song and as a sort of confessional. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Salvation Army/Throw a Nickel on the Drum From: Mrrzy Date: 08 May 20 - 06:57 PM I was just about to ask about Away away with rum by gum is the song of the Salvation Army! |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Salvation Army/Throw a Nickel on the Drum From: GUEST,Big Chief Date: 07 May 20 - 11:32 AM This is all I remember We never eat cookies because they have yeast and the least little bite turns a man to a beast can you imagine a bigger disgrace than a man in the gutter with crumbs on his face Away away with rum by gun , with rum by gum, with rum by gum Its the song of the Salvation Army Boom chika chika chicka Boom chika chika chicka Boom chika chika chicka Boom chika chika chicka Boom We ever eat fruitcake because it has rum and the least little drop turns a man to a bum can you imagine sorrier sight than a man eating fruit cake and getting all tight Away away with rum by gun , with rum by gum, with rum by gum Its the song of the Salvation Army Boom chika chika chicka Boom chika chika chicka Boom chika chika chicka Boom chika chika chicka Boom There is another verse but I don't Remember it. There was another song Salvation Army Salvation Army put a nickel on the Drum and Save a soul oom chika chika chicka Boom chika chika chicka Boom chika chika chicka Boom chika chika chicka Boom That's all I remember |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Salvation Army/Throw a Nickel on the Drum From: Lighter Date: 07 Jun 14 - 05:51 PM Is that all there was? |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Salvation Army/Throw a Nickel on the Drum From: GUEST,Peregrine Date: 07 Jun 14 - 04:41 PM Second verse was drop a nickel on the drum, just to save a drunken bum. We sang this in early 1940's, long before the Korean War. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Salvation Army/Throw a Nickel on the Drum From: GUEST,Peregrine Date: 07 Jun 14 - 04:37 PM University of Wisconsin coeds sang this drop a nickel on the grass, save a bomber pilots ass, song in the very early 1940's. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Salvation Army/Throw a Nickel on the Drum From: Joe_F Date: 22 Oct 12 - 06:12 PM Haruo: A sixpence (pre-decimalization slang). |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Salvation Army/Throw a Nickel on the Drum From: Haruo Date: 22 Oct 12 - 03:25 PM What is a "tanner" in this context? |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Salvation Army/Throw a Nickel on the Drum From: Jack Campin Date: 19 Oct 12 - 07:20 PM Penny on the Drum first 2 pages Penny on the Drum 3rd page |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Salvation Army/Throw a Nickel on the Drum From: Jack Campin Date: 19 Oct 12 - 07:15 PM Another parody: Stanley Holloway's "Penny on the Drum", later used as a participatory closing time song by the Butlins holiday camps in the UK from WW2 onwards. A Butlins Celebration |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Salvation Army/Throw a Nickel on the Drum From: GUEST Date: 19 Oct 12 - 06:08 PM T'was an evening in October When I was far from sober I was walking down the street with manly pride When my knees began to flutter So I lay down in the gutter And a pig came up and lay down by my side We were singing 'tis fair weather When good friends get together And a lady passing by was heard to say You can telll a man who boozes By the company he chooses And the pig got up and slowly walked away Glorious, glorious One keg of beer for the four of us Throw a nickel on the drum Save another drunken bum Throw a nickel on the drum and you'll be saved |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Salvation Army/Throw a Nickel on the Drum From: GUEST Date: 19 Oct 12 - 06:00 PM Glorious - Glorious One keg of beer for the four of us Throw a nickel on the drum Save another drunken bum Throw a nickel on the drum and you'll be save. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Salvation Army/Throw a Nickel on the Drum From: GUEST,kathy kiernan Date: 01 Jan 12 - 01:05 PM the version my father taught me had another chorus: out a pnny in the tin, save another girl from sin . . . . |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Salvation Army/Throw a Nickel on the Drum From: GUEST,Peter Scott Date: 08 Nov 11 - 05:39 PM Here's the last verse as I recall it from the 1950s in Berkeley: I'm H-A-P-P-Y to be S-A-V-E-D It's G-R-A-N-D to be F-R- double E It's a V-I-C-T-O-R-Y from the bonds of S-I-N Glory, glory, Hallelujah, Jesus Christ, Amen. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Salvation Army/Throw a Nickel on the Drum From: GUEST Date: 08 Jan 11 - 09:00 AM A good version of this song is on YouTube. It has a cante-fable verse: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x244GUQNCcY |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Salvation Army/Throw a Nickel on the Drum From: Joe Offer Date: 13 Jul 10 - 02:29 PM Whoa! That must have been wonderful to go to Scout camp on Catalina! -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Salvation Army/Throw a Nickel on the Drum From: GUEST,Jonie Date: 13 Jul 10 - 02:07 PM Just thinking about an old song we sang at Girl Scout camp around 1970, and came across this thread. Camp White's Landing, Catalina Island, California. Salvation Army! Salvation Army! Put a quarter on the floor, Save a Catalina boar. Salvation Army! Salvation Army! Put a quarter on the floor, And you'll be Saved. Even funnier now that I'll bet "boar" was originally another word! |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Salvation Army/Throw a Nickel on the Drum From: GUEST,Bob Coltman Date: 18 Aug 09 - 09:23 AM Aloha Brad and Leland, The 1970s version above, and others like it with verses adapted to local circumstances, have taken over as a standard among camp songs in the nearly 40 years since. Dozens of camp songs sites on the web have it in numerous variations. It is a late outgrowth of the earlier "Throw a Nickel on the Drum" song we've been trying to trace back to its roots. This one sounds like the work of a camp counselor who was looking for material s/he could use to engage and involve campers (camp counselors have been responsible for a number of gems of this sort). I haven't been able to trace it to a specific source, but it is unlikely to have originated much earlier than the mid to late 1960s. However, it seems to be remembered by thousands of campers and nowadays has become much more popular and widespread than the earlier parody. Aloha, Bob |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Salvation Army/Throw a Nickel on the Drum From: Haruo Date: 18 Aug 09 - 12:00 AM Okay, no objection, so here goes: Brad wrote, Aloha Leland, |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Salvation Army/Throw a Nickel on the Drum From: Haruo Date: 16 Aug 09 - 11:55 PM A guy named Brad in Hawaii just sent me an email about this song. I'll post it here unless he objects (presently awaiting his permission)... Haruo |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Salvation Army/Throw a Nickel on the Drum From: Lighter Date: 05 Aug 09 - 08:35 AM Joe, you may be thinking of the song "Sing Hallelujah," recorded (and presumably written) about 1961 by Oscar Brand that begins, "They came marching down our alley like a troop of Queen's Marines, A-playing 'Hallelujah' in their drums and tambourines...." The song has the occupants of a house of ill repute emptying chamber utensils on the heads of the salvationists. I assume Brand was the author partly because it appeared a couple of years after his recording of the Air Force song. The album was called "Sing-Along Bawdy Songs." |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Salvation Army/Throw a Nickel on the Drum From: Joe Offer Date: 05 Aug 09 - 03:01 AM Hi, Bob - I've wondered about the origins of the "Throw a Nickel on the Drum" chorus for years. It's so obviously a parody. I keep thinking I'm hearing the original in the back of my memory, but it won't come out. Keep at it, Bob. I'm really enjoying this. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Salvation Army/Throw a Nickel on the Drum From: GUEST,Bob Coltman Date: 04 Aug 09 - 07:36 PM Hello Lighter and Q, I never meant to imply that the Salvation Army would have sung anything detrimental to their mission—or humorous in any way—let alone a parody on their efforts. All you need do is work your way through the mammoth, grimly serious SA songbook (it's online) to realize that. I see I phrased it badly. I should have said—not that they would have used a line like "Save another drunken bum." Of course they wouldn't. But that I thought there was a possibility some line of one of their hymns might have been the sound-alike that suggested the parody. I think that possibility is vanishing, though, now that I've slogged painfully through the SA songbook in search of a line that might have suggested the parody and found nothing remotely similar. You may have been misled, too, by the article I quoted, which portrays the Army playing and the students singing the parody song back at them. It implies the Army gamely made the best of it for the sake of placating the irreverent students in hopes of contributions ... no more than that. The Salvation Army has taken a lot of ribbing over the years and forged on regardless. As to the parody's age, I was surprised to see the germ of it in print as early as 1928! I thought it must have originated later, and my guess is that it did not reach final form until the 1940s. Again, I would be most interested to learn the source of the "Throw a Nickel on the Drum" chorus, whether parody or original. The search continues. Bob |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Salvation Army/Throw a Nickel on the Drum From: GUEST Date: 04 Aug 09 - 06:18 PM CH: Away, away with rum, by gum, With rum, by gu-um, with rum, by gum! Away, away with rum, by gum; The song of the Salvation Army. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Salvation Army/Throw a Nickel on the Drum From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 04 Aug 09 - 03:52 PM Perhaps it should be noted that the Nickel and Pig songs are not among the 994 songs in the Salvation Army Song Book that I have. (Nor is "Glory to the Lamb.") |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Salvation Army/Throw a Nickel on the Drum From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 04 Aug 09 - 03:18 PM Bob Coltman and wife have done a good job of identifying the correct "Glory of the Lamb" gospel song; that title is much used and there are about a dozen in current use. The version by the Kentucky Ramblers (1930s) is the earliest dated recording I can find (their work deserves to be better known). Their "Glory to the Lamb" is on cd, Paramount Old Time Recordings, disc 3, track 24. As both Lighter and I have posted, the Salvation Army would never have sung the parody and it should never be listed as a SA song. I have some old gospel books and will check them later, but I don't think the song is old. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Salvation Army/Throw a Nickel on the Drum From: Lighter Date: 04 Aug 09 - 10:48 AM "Put a nickel on the drum, save another drunken bum!" couldn't have been sung seriously by anybody. IMO. I doubt the Salvation Army ever officially referred to the unfortunate as "drunken bums." |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Salvation Army/Throw a Nickel on the Drum From: GUEST,Bob Coltman Date: 04 Aug 09 - 03:43 AM P.S. Just to point out the probably obvious: The parodist, in using the song, dumped the "Glory to the Lamb" chorus and its tune, substituting a very different tune and the "Put a Nickel on the Drum" lyrics first printed in 1928 by Dave E. Jones. I don't know if the "Put a Nickel" chorus and its tune were original with Jones or his informants. It could have happened one of two ways: 1. The parodist adapted the chorus tune from an existing "Put a nickel on the drum" refrain (and/or tune), perhaps used in more serious vein by the Salvation Army. Or 2. The "Put a nickel" chorus was never a serious refrain, but originated with the parodist. Take your pick. Bob |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Salvation Army/Throw a Nickel on the Drum From: GUEST,Bob Coltman Date: 04 Aug 09 - 03:28 AM Disentanglement to above: I'm the one who traced "Throw a Nickel on the Drum." Gus Meade traced "Glory to the Lamb" to its apparent origin. === How "Throw a Nickel on the Drum and you'll be saved" (which apparently was cried out by Salvation Army lads and lassies as they worked the streets) became "Throw a nickel on the drum, save another drunken bum" ... ensues. Again the key is found in the 1928 version in A Collection of Sea Songs and Ditties of from the Stores of Dave E. Jones at http://www.folklore.ms/html/books_and_MSS/1920s/1928ca_a_collection_of_sea_songs_and_ditties__dave_e_jones_(HC)/index.htm (see the first of this series of four posts). That version still retained the "Monday I am happy, Tuesday full of joy" gospel verse. But it appeared in a collection of raffish songs, some of them bawdy, plainly meant for use by drinkers, college students, and other lost souls. I have been unable to trace any other transition version, and I don't know the author of the parody lyrics, but by the late 1940s, as Dick Greenhaus remembers in a message in another thread on this topic, goodtime singers of all stripes were singing the parody in essentially its modern version. The first of these to reach print (that I have yet found) appeared in Marion Kingston, A Folk Song Chapbook, Beloit Poetry Journal Vol 6, No. 2, Chapbook No. 4, Beloit College, Beloit, Wisconsin, 1955. It has a first and third verses I've never seen elsewhere. Thus it may be pretty close to the original parody. GUTTER SONG Collected from the Colorado Mountain Club Juniors. As I was walking down the street, as drunk as I could be, I thought I spied a lamp-post a-coming straight at me, I ducked to the side of it and bumped into a tree, So let that be a lesson, boys, and never be like me. Cho: Halleluja, halleluja, Put your nickel on the drum, save your soul, you drunken bum, Halleluja, halleluja, Put your nickel on the drum and be saved. As I lay in the gutter all guzzled up with beer, With pretzels in my hair I knew the end was near, When along came a holy man and saved me from the hearse, So everybody strain a gut and sing another verse. Cho: Old Mrs. Johnson took in washing, all that she could scrub, She busted many a button over the wash tub, She wore her fingers down to stubs, and sometimes shed a tear, To buy her drunken husband another glass of beer. Cho: From here to the version I first heard from the epochal hiker/skier/singer Bill "Brigger" Briggs c. 1956, which included the "I was lying in the gutter," "village belle" and "G-L-O-R-Y" verses (pretty much like today's) is not a long step. Ditto for the airman's drinking song parody "Throw a Nickel in the Grass, Save a Fighter Pilot's Ass," which, though a WWI origin is claimed for it, seems not to exist in any copies much earlier than Korea, or WWII at the earliest. We still don't know the name of the wacko who perpetrated this gem, but the above is a fairly consecutive summary of its precursor in gospel and its development as a parody in the early days. That's my nickel on your drum. Hope it helps. Enjoy! I know I will. — Bob |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Salvation Army/Throw a Nickel on the Drum From: GUEST,Bob Coltman Date: 04 Aug 09 - 03:06 AM How "Glory to the Lamb" found its way into the folk repertoire as "Throw a Nickel on the Drum" is a twisted trail. Consider this reminiscence from some Ann Arbor, Michigan residents about Salvation Army bands, including Mary Culver, who was hearing Salvation Army bands apparently in the 1950s and remembers students apparently mocking the band with "Throw a Nickel on the Drum" while the Army made its collections. This is the only example I've found of the two together: the song, and the people it mocked. http://www.aadl.org/aaobserver/18334 When the Salvation Army Marched Downtown Published In Ann Arbor Observer, July 1996 Author: Grace Shackman Its headquarters on Fifth Ave. attracted hoboes and passersby alike. Saturday night was once the busiest time of the week for Ann Arbor merchants, because that was when farmers would drive to town to do their weekly errands. As families milled about, shopping and catching up with the news, the Salvation Army brass band would march from the army's headquarters at Fifth and Washington up to Main Street, playing hymns and summoning the crowds to open-air services. "It was part of Saturday in Ann Arbor," says John Hathaway, who grew up here in the 1930's. He remembers that when he attended Perry Elementary School as a child, Salvation Army kids were always eager to enroll in the music program so they could prepare for playing in the band. Mary Culver recalls that when she was in college, the band would stop outside bars frequented by students. After a few hymns, a band member would come through the bar with an upside-down tambourine, collecting money as the students sang, "Put a nickel in the drum, save another drunken bum." Culver remembers it as a good-natured scene, but doubts that the Salvation Army got much money, since the students of that era had little to spare. Virginia Trevithick, a retired Salvation Army employee and a former band member, recalls, "It was a nice little band, about fifteen members, all good musicians. On Saturday when the stores stayed open late we held street meetings in front of Kresge's at Main and Washington [now Mongolian Barbeque]. There would be a big crowd." …. We'll wrap it up in the following message. Bob |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Salvation Army/Throw a Nickel on the Drum From: GUEST Date: 04 Aug 09 - 02:59 AM Searching on the verse phrases turned up gospel precursors almost at once. It is traced by Gus Meade in Country Music Sources to "Glory to the Lamb," publication in Hildebrand, E.T., W.T. Giffe et al, New Onward & Upward, Logansport, Indiana, Home Music Co., 19??, presumed to be circa 1900. Oldtime ministers and congregations were fond of this bouncy gospel number. Example from a sermon by evangelist W.A. Criswell: GLORY TO THE LAMB Untitled, from the W.A. Criswell Sermon Library, http://www.wacriswell.org/Search/videotrans.cfm/sermon/1373.cfm "Boy, did we have song services then, when I led the singing. And I would teach those kids the songs and I just loved them. And one of those songs that I used to teach these children in Vacation Bible School sang to me last week. Do you remember it? On Monday, I am happy, on Tuesday, full of joy On Wednesday, I have peace within nothing can destroy. On Thursday, and on Friday, I am walking in the light And Saturday is a heavenly day, and Sunday is always bright. Oh, glory, glory, glory, oh, glory to the Lamb Hallelujah I am saved, I'm so glad I am. Oh, glory, glory, glory, oh, glory to the Lamb Hallelujah, I am saved and bound for the promised land." === It's assigned a minor key in the following reminiscence: Untitled, from "Songs for the Moment," from a blog called God is nice and he likes me, Sunday, February 10, 2008, http://godisnice.blogspot.com/2008/02/songs-for-moment.html "….My dad found a horror that went something like "Monday I am happy, Tuesday full of joy, Wednesday there are springs within the devil can't destroy, Thursday.... etc etc". You know the type. This song is very minor key, almost desperate in tone, and I love it." === The gospel song "Glory to the Lamb" was first recorded on 78 rpm by the Kentucky Ramblers for Paramount in Grafton, Wisconsin in September 1930, and was covered by the Carter Family in an American Record Corporation recording done in New York, May 5, 1935 and subsequently issued on labels such as Conqueror. The Carter cut was a durable favorite, re-pressed on Columbia in 1948. GLORY TO THE LAMB "Glory to the Lamb," by the original Carter Family, recorded in 1935 and issued on Conqueror and other ARC labels, later repressed on Columbia in 1948. Cho: Oh glory oh glory oh glory to the lamb, Hallelujah I am saved and I'm so glad I am, Oh glory oh glory oh glory to the lamb, Hallelujah I am saved and I'm so glad I am. On Monday I am happy on Tuesday full of joy, Wednesday I've got the faith the devil cant destroy, On Thursday and Friday walking in the light, Saturday I've got the victory and Sunday's always bright, I fell in love with Jesus and he fell in love with me, That's the very reason I've got the victory, I'm happy when it's raining I'm happy when it shines, I'm happy now with Jesus I'm happy all the time, === Bob (more to come in the next message) |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Salvation Army/Throw a Nickel on the Drum From: GUEST,Bob Coltman Date: 04 Aug 09 - 02:46 AM Thanks to a late-niter and with co-credit to the talents of my crackerjack researcher wife, I believe I can trace back "Throw (Put, Place, etc.) A Nickel On The Drum" to its origins as a gospel song. I'll take it in stages. The first clue came from a songbook privately published in 1928—the earliest version I've so far found in print. It has only a number, no title. You'll notice the lone verse is different—a pointer to gospel origin. [Throw a Nickel On the Drum (Salvation Army Song)] From A Collection of Sea Songs and Ditties of from the Stores of Dave E. Jones, 1928, http://www.folklore.ms/html/books_and_MSS/1920s/1928ca_a_collection_of_sea_songs_and_ditties__dave_e_jones_(HC)/index.htm Monday I am happy, Tuesday full of joy, Wednesday there's a peace within the Devil can't destroy, Thursday and Friday I'm walking in the light, Saturday is a heavenly day and so is Sunday night. Cho: [line apparently missing: Hallelujah, hallelujah?] Throw a nickel on the drum, throw a nickel on the drum, Hallelujah, hallelujah, Throw a nickel on the drum and you'll all be saved. From this came the discoveries that follow (next message). Bob |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Salvation Army/Throw a Nickel on the Drum From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 01 Aug 09 - 07:54 PM "The Pig Got Up and Slowly Walked Away" was written by Benjamin Hapgood Burt and F. W. Bowers for Frank Crumit, 1933. Crumit's recordings credit Burt. ASCAP lists Jerry Vogel Music Co. as administrators. A song "The Famous Pig Song" is credited by ASCAP to Henri F. Klickman (Administrator unknown). (And Van Ness? Date ?1935 Lyrics to both are posted in thread 21933: Famous Pig Song For some strange reason, this study thread was closed. The song is not a Salvation Army Song. |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Salvation Army/Throw a Nickel on the Drum From: GUEST Date: 01 Aug 09 - 04:23 PM My Dad used to sing the Salvation Army song and a number of others when we'd be out camping when I was a kid. "The Pig Song" was one of my favorites. His lyrics were slightly different from the ones above: ^^^ It was one day last November, how well I do remember, I was walking down the street in drunken pride When my knees began to stutter So I lay down in the gutter And a pig came up and lay down by my side. By my side! By my side! Oh that pig came up and lay down by my side. My knees began to stutter, so I lay down in the gutter And a pig came up and lay down by my side. As I lay there in the gutter, my heart was all a-flutter And a lady passing by was heard to say "You can tell a man who boozes by the company he chooses" And the pig got up and slowly walked away. Walked away! He walked away! And that pig got up and slowly walked away. "You can tell a man who boozes by the company he chooses" And the pig got up and slowly walked away. |
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