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Lyr Req: Love Henry (#68, Hedy West)

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Subject: Lyr Add: LOVE HENRY (#68, Hedy West)
From: Roberto
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 10:36 AM

One main problem in the 3d stanza, but I'm not sure of many other lines. Please, help. Thanks. R

Love Henry
Hedy West, Ballads, Topic 12T163, 1967. Cecil Sharp collected this Virginia version in 1916.

As Lady Margaret was going to her bed
She heard the sound of a musical horn
It made her heart feel glad and sad
A-thinking it was her brother John, John
Coming in from his wild hunt

But who should it be but her love, Henry
Returning from his king, king
Returning from his king

Light down, light down, Love Henery
And stay all night with me
You shall have a cheer with charcoal ...(???)
The best I can give thee, thee
The best I can give thee

I won't light down, I shan't light down
And stay all night with thee
For there's a pretty girl in merry green lee
I love far better than thee, thee
I love far better than thee

He bended over her soft pillow
And gave her a kiss so sweet
But a penknife in her right hand
She wounded him in full deep, deep
She wounded him in full deep

Woe be, woe be, Lady Margaret – he cried
Woe be, woe be to thee
Can't you see my own heart's blood
Come twinkling down my knee, knee
Come twinkling down my knee ?

She called unto a maid of hers
Keep the secret, keep the secret on me
All these fine robes on my body
Will always be to thee, thee
Will always be to thee

One taken him by his long yellow hair
The other one by his feet
They threw him into the well waters
Which was so cold and deep, deep
Which was so cold and deep

Lie there, lie there, Love Henery
Till the flesh rots off your bone
That pretty girl in merry green lee
Thinks long of your coming home, home
Thinks long of your coming home

Up spoke, up spoke a pretty litte parrot
Sitting on a willow tree:
There never was a girl in merry green lee
He loved far better than thee, thee
He loved far better than thee

Come down, come down my pretty little parrot
And sit all on my knee
You shall have a cage of the pure, pure gold
Instead of the willow tree, tree
Instead of the willow tree

I won't come down, I shan't come down
And sit all on your knee
You have murdered your Love Henry
More sooner you would kill me, me
More sooner you would kill me

If I had an arrow in my hand
My bow on a tuneful string
I'd shoot a dart that could win your heart
So you could no longer sing, sing
So you could no longer sing

If you had an arrow in your hand
Your bow on a tuneful srring
I'd spread my wings and fly away
And tune my voice to sing, sing
And tune my voice to sing


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Hedy West's Love Henry #68
From: Roberto
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 11:08 AM

From further listenings:
"Which made her heart feel glad and sad", instead of "It made her heart feel glad and sad"; "With a penknife in her right hand", instead of "But a penknife in her right hand". But still I can't complete "You shall have a cheer with charcoal ...(???)". Please, someome who has this recording... R


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Hedy West's Love Henry #68
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 11:49 AM

I hear "have a cheer with (a) cheerful girl"

my wife hears either "you shall have the cheer of a cheerful girl" or "you shall have the cheer of a cheercoal girl," ?charcoal gatherer's girl???? but believes it OUGHT to be "you shall have the cheer of a cheerful girl."

maybe I'll post the MP3 and let others guess..


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Hedy West's Love Henry #68
From: Roberto
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 12:01 PM

Thanks, Bill D. R


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Hedy West's Love Henry #68
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 12:01 PM

ok, for those who'd like to offer an opinion
http://home.comcast.net/~somethingextree/music/HedyWest-LoveHenry.mp3


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Subject: Lyr Add: LOVE HENRY (from June Tabor)
From: Roberto
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 12:16 PM

June Tabor's recording is obviously from the same source, or directly from Hedy West's, with variations. Also this transcription needs a check. Thanks. R

Love Henry
June Tabor, Always, disc B, Topic TSCD559, 2005. Song recorded in 1990; Mark Emerson, violin.

As Lady Margaret was going to her bed
She heard the sound of a musical horn
It made her feel both glad and sad
A-thinking it was her brother John, John
Coming in from his wild hunt

Who should it be but her love, Henry
Returning from his king, king
Returning from his king?

Come down, come down, Love Henry
And stay all night with me
You shall have a cheer with a cheerful girl
The best I can give thee, thee
The best I can give thee

I shan't come down and I won't come down
And stay all night with thee
There's a girl by the city wall
I love far better than thee, thee
I love far better than thee

He's leaned across his saddle trim
To give her a kiss so sweet
And with penknife in her right hand
She's wounded him in full deep, deep
She's wounded him in full deep

Woe be, woe be, Lady Margaret
Woe be, woe be to thee
Don't you see my thick heart's blood
Run a-trickling down my knee, knee
Run a-trickling down my knee?

She's called unto a maid of hers:
The secret keep on me
And all the fair robes on my body
Shall always be to thee, thee
Shall always be to thee

One's taken him by the long yellow hair
The other one by the feet
They throwed him into the well water
Which was both cold and deep, deep
Which was both cold and deep

Lie there, lie there, Love Henry
Until the flesh rots off your bones
There's a girl by the city wall
Thinks long on your coming home, home
Thinks long on your coming home

It's up and spoke a pretty litte bird
A-sitting on a willow tree:
There never was a girl by the city wall
He loved far better than thee, thee
He loved far better than thee

Come down, come down my pretty little bird
And sit all on my knee
Your cage shall be made of the beaten gold
And the bars of ivory, -ry
And the bars of ivory

I shan't come down and I won't come down
And sit all on your knee
For you have murdered your own true love
Far sooner you would kill me, me
Far sooner you would kill me

O, if I had an arrow in my hand
My bow on a tuneful string
I'd fire a dart to pierce your heart
So you could no longer sing, sing
You could no longer sing

O, if you had an arrow in your hand
Your bow on a tuneful srring
I'd spread my wings and fly away
And tune my voice to sing, sing
And tune my voice to sing


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Hedy West's Love Henry #68
From: Bill D
Date: 26 Aug 05 - 12:52 PM

That's almost exactly what I hear...there one refrain where she doesn't repeat one word of the verse, but it's likely just that recording...she may well have put it in at other times.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Love Henry (#68, Hedy West)
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Jun 07 - 12:13 PM

Hi all,

I see I'm about two years late in contributing to this thread, but in case it helps someone in the future, I always thought the disputed line from Hedy West's version was, "You shall have the cheer of a cheer cold girl/The best I can give thee." Meaning, she has no cheer, she is unhappy.

k.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Love Henry (#68, Hedy West)
From: Roberto
Date: 24 Jun 07 - 12:21 PM

Dear GUEST k., I've just listened to the song again, and it seems you are right, although the meaning sounds strange to me. thanks. R


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Love Henry (#68, Hedy West)
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 24 Jun 07 - 02:09 PM

Who knows what the floozie actually said to Young Hunting/Young Redin/Earl Richard etc etc after he'd turled at the pin?

What I sing is:

We shall have cheer with charcoal clear
And candles burning bright


which sounds like a good deal.

But what we do know is that the rat replied along the lines of "Nah, I'm off home to the wife". So she stabbed him. Seems reasonable.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Love Henry (#68, Hedy West)
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 24 Jun 07 - 03:21 PM

I don't know what Hedy West or June Tabor sang, but the source of this particular version was Mrs Orilla Keeton, Mount Fair, Virginia. Sharp noted the song from her on 26 September 1916 (English Folk Songs from the Southern Appalachians, I, 104-5 and Bronson II, 71-2, with more detail).

Mrs Keeton sang the first verse but spoke the rest. This made getting the 'regular' tune a little difficult, and Sharp noted two variant forms, noting that the second was probably the usual form. Verse 2 presented some problems, and it appears in Sharp's MS, as quoted by Bronson, as follows:

O light, O light, love Henery
And stay all night with me
And you shall have the cheers (or chairs) of the cheer (or cheery) cold (or gold) girl
The best I can give you

In Karpeles' edition, it appeared thus:

O light, O light, love Henery
And stay all night with me
And you shall have the cheers of the cheer (or cheery) cold girl
The best I can give you

The removal of two alternative readings was presumably an editorial decision made by Dr Karpeles; she printed both tune variants, indicating (misleadingly, it would appear) that the second belonged to verses subsequent to the first.

We don't know, then, exactly what Mrs Keeton said, or whether it had any particular meaning from her point of view. Perhaps she or whoever she learned it from had just misheard it. Anybody singing her version must make their own decision about how to deal with it. There is an equivalent passage in a few other versions:

Will you alight, will you alight fair lord? she said
And stay with me this night?
I'll give you bed, I'll give you board,
Charcoal and candle light, light
Charcoal and candle light

(Mrs Edward Gallagher, Chebucto Head, Nova Scotia, n.d. Bronson II, 63-4).

Abide, abide, true love, she said
And beg and stay all night
You shall have your pleasure in my room
With a coal and candle light, light
With a coal and candle light

(Thomas Edward Nelson, Union Mills, New Brunswick, 18 February 1919, 'learned from his mother who was born in Ireland'. Bronson II, 78).

Back in Scotland, Kinloch's 'Young Redin' (Miss E Beattie, 'a native of Mearns-shire, in Edinburgh. Bronson II, 61) has

Ye're welcome here, my young Redin
For coal and candle licht

('coal an cannel-licht' in Mrs Harris' version).

Elsewhere, the passage has mutated quite radically; becoming

There's a cheer for you and a cheer for me
And a candle burnin' free

(Mrs Judy Whittaker, Anderson, Mo., 12 May 1928. Bronson, II, 70)

I have gold chairs and the finest I have
I'll apply them all to thee.

(Lena Hill, Lexington, Ala., Sung 1946, text 'written when a girl'. Bronson II, 70).

See also threads indicated above, in particular jimmie tarlton's lowe bonnie (child #68) which goes into the related 'white chocolate tea' question.


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