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Subject: Need Help w/ Cowden Knowes From: Date: 04 Jan 99 - 04:28 PM Yes, there is a version of the Broom of Cowden Knowes in the DT, but I'm interested in learning another version of this song (or another song with this title). I heard it on a Silly Wizard CD, and can get some of the words, but not all, so I'd appreciate help in checking want I have transcribed and filling in the blanks. Thanks very much!!!
How blythe was I each morn ta see
Chorus: Ah the broom, the bonny bonny broom
Hard fate that I should banished be
Fareweell ye Cowdens Knowes, fareweell |
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Subject: RE: Need Help w/ Cowden Knowes From: Susan of DT Date: 04 Jan 99 - 07:55 PM It sure sounds like the version in the DT. There are two and the one that doesn't say ballad version seems to be just what you are asking for. |
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Subject: RE: Need Help w/ Cowden Knowes From: Bruce O. Date: 04 Jan 99 - 08:17 PM The one that doesn't say ballad version in DT is missing half of the verses [in Tea Table Miscellany, I; Orpheus Caledonius, 1725 and II, 1733; Scots Musical Museum,(# 69); and elsewhere] |
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Subject: RE: Need Help w/ Cowden Knowes From: Bruce O. Date: 04 Jan 99 - 09:42 PM Sorry, that should have been Orpheus Caledonius, I (p. 18), 1733. |
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Subject: Lyr Add: THE BROOM OF COWDENKNOWS From: Bruce O. Date: 04 Jan 99 - 10:14 PM THE BROOM OF COWDENKNOWS
How blithe each morn was I to see,
I neither wanted ew nor lamb
He tun'd his pipe and reed sae sweet,
While thus we spent our time by turns,
Hard fate that I shou'd banished be,
He did oblige me every hour,
My doggie, and my crooked stick,
Adieu, ye Cowdenknows, adieu;
Text from Orpheus Caledonius, I, p. 18, 1733 |
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Subject: RE: Need Help w/ Cowden Knowes From: Susan-Marie Date: 05 Jan 99 - 08:30 AM Thanks so much Bruce, and Susan. I didn't find the second version when I searched the DT on "cowden" and "knowes", but I'll go back and try again just to see why I didn't find it the first time. |
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Subject: RE: Need Help w/ Cowden Knowes From: Bruce O. Date: 05 Jan 99 - 11:13 AM Search for file COWDENKN or 'Broom of' |
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Subject: RE: Need Help w/ Cowden Knowes From: Tim Jaques tjaques@netcom.ca Date: 05 Jan 99 - 09:00 PM Archie Fisher does a nice version of this. |
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Subject: Lyr Add: THE BROOM O THE COWDENKNOWES From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Date: 06 Jan 99 - 06:07 AM I have a beautiful version of it from The Cast, Mairi Campbell and Dave Francis of Scotland. They are a husband and wife team, who sing some marvelous songs. I met them and bought The Colours of Lichen at the Celtic Colours festival in 1997. Anyway, their version of Broom of the Cowden Knowes seems very close to the original posters:
How blithe was I each morn to see Chorus O the broom! the bonny, bonny broom We neither wanted yowe nor lamb Hard fate that I should banished be Adieu, ye Cowdenknowes, adieu
Hope that is the one you want. The Gaelic song, Buain na Rainich/Tha Mi Tinn fits the same tune wonderfully. |
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Subject: RE: Need Help w/ Cowden Knowes From: Susan-Marie Date: 06 Jan 99 - 08:11 AM Thanks George, and I'll make a note about a song called Buain na Rainich/Tha Mi Tinn fitting the same tune in case I ever get proficient singing in Gaelic. |
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Subject: RE: Need Help w/ Cowden Knowes From: John M Date: 06 Jan 99 - 08:13 AM The Black Fanily also does it, much like The Cast version but with a few different lyric's. I understand this is a very old tune. Anyone know it's history? |
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Subject: RE: Need Help w/ Cowden Knowes From: Bruce O. Date: 06 Jan 99 - 04:11 PM The English broadside ballad of the "The lovely Northern Lasse" (Broom of Cowdenknows) was entered in the Stationers' Register in January of 1632. (ZN2610 in the Broadside Ballad Index on my website.) Its tune was used for several other broadside ballads. The tune is in the 'Dancing Master' from the first edition, 1651 to the 14th, 1709. (Tune B045 on my website). [See C. M. Simpson, 'The British Broadside Ballad and Its Music', #45, 1966, for more particulars.] |
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Subject: RE: Need Help w/ Cowden Knowes From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Date: 06 Jan 99 - 07:06 PM According to the notes in the Cast's recording: This song and tune were already old when, in the early 1700s, Allan Ramsay included it in The Gentle Shepherd and guaranteed its popularity. A few years after its appearance there, it became a fad among trained fiddlers to try and add second sections on to old traditional tunes. Thre's a story that the celebrated Italian composer Geminiani, then living in Dublin, had a go and gave it up in frustration after blotting several quires of paper.
The song Buain na Rainich is also known to be ancient. However, the chorus anmd the first verse are the only ones remembered along with the tunes. Broom o' the Cowden Knowes is one of three tunes which can be used with it. I have 6 verses, and it is confirmed that Kenneth MacLeod wrote them, probably at the end of the last century, or the beginning of the 20th. For the lyrics |
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Subject: RE: Need Help w/ Cowden Knowes From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Date: 06 Jan 99 - 07:08 PM Actually, that was "It was confirmed that Kenneth MacLeod wrote the last FIVE of the six verses I have." |
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Subject: RE: Need Help w/ Cowden Knowes From: dulcimer Date: 06 Jan 99 - 08:20 PM According to F. Richie on Thistle and Shamrock the tune was written by the favorite suitor (lover) of Mary of Scots. I couldn't confirm it, but if true it would put in sometime in the middle of the 1500's. |
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Subject: RE: Need Help w/ Cowden Knowes From: Mary Ann Date: 06 Jan 99 - 08:24 PM John Allan Cameron (Canadian) has recorded this too; words pretty much as above. |
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Subject: RE: Need Help w/ Cowden Knowes From: Mary Ann Date: 06 Jan 99 - 08:24 PM John Allan Cameron (Canadian) has recorded this too; words pretty much as above. |
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Subject: RE: Need Help w/ Cowden Knowes From: Susan-Marie Date: 07 Jan 99 - 08:51 AM Can anyone provide a translation (even just roughly) of Buain na Rainich? |
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Subject: RE: Need Help w/ Cowden Knowes From: Wolfgang Hell Date: 07 Jan 99 - 10:49 AM there's a place with Silly Wizard lyrics . Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: Need Help w/ Cowden Knowes From: Bruce O. Date: 07 Jan 99 - 12:04 PM The Scots song I gave above from 'Orpheus Caledonius' is in Allan Ramsay's 'Tea Table Miscellany', 1723/4 labeled 'new words by different hands'. It is not among the 21 songs in his 'The Gentle Shepherd', nor was the tune used for any of the songs there. The claim that the tune was by a lover of Mary Queen of Scots is probably a corrupt resurrection of David Rizzio, her secretary and an Italian musician, as composer of several old Scots tunes. (These attributions were in Oswald's 'Caledonian Pocket Companion'.) In no instance are any of these attributions now credited.
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Subject: RE: Need Help w/ Cowden Knowes From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Date: 07 Jan 99 - 10:21 PM Bruce, if you want to contact Dave Francis about the information on "Gentle Shepherd" in his notes from the Colours of Lichen, his e-mail address is dfrancis@edinfolk.demon.co.uk. |
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Subject: RE: Need Help w/ Cowden Knowes From: Bruce O. Date: 08 Jan 99 - 12:36 AM The Gentle Shepherd
The opening lines of songs, and the tunes to which they were sung, in Allan Ramsay's 'The Gentle Shepherd', from reprint by A. Millar, London, 1763. [My previous count was one too low. In the text there is an unnumbered song between #15 and #16.]
1: My Peggy is a young thing; Tune- The Wawking of the Faulds
Early sources of all the tunes above can be found listed in the Scots tune index on my website. www.erols.com/olsonw
Theophilus Ciber changed the order around a bit and substituted other tunes for several songs in his ballad opera version, 'Patie and Peggy: or, The Fair Foundling', 1730. [Source PPG in the ballad opera tune index on my website.] |
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Subject: Lyr Add: GENTLE SHEPHERD (?) From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Date: 08 Jan 99 - 04:24 AM Here's the chorus and the three verses that I think are popular: Chorus I am tired, and I am alone, 1 Behind the knoll, up on the knoll, 4 In the weather, oh that I am TIRED 6 What must I not be chanting The legend is that, the fairy who sings the song, was in love with the young girl whom he met when she came out to cut the bracken. When her family caught her, they kept her locked up in their home. Since she didn't come any more, he became despondent and sang the song. It works quite well as a lullaby, and the sentiment of the song goes that way. However, in Cape Breton at least, they've sped it up, so it's almost a dance piece. So goes the oral tradition. Anyway, the song was collected by Marjorie Kennedy-Fraser, but for some reason, only the chorus and first verse. Her Gaelic collaborator, Kenneth MacLeod, wrote the rest of the song that we have here. |
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Subject: RE: Need Help w/ Cowden Knowes From: Susan-Marie Date: 08 Jan 99 - 08:00 AM Thanks very much, George. |
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Subject: RE: Need Help w/ Cowden Knowes From: George Seto - af221@chebucto.ns.ca Date: 08 Jan 99 - 10:05 PM No problem. I decided to add that to the web-page and did the other three verses too. I changed that of verse 6 a bit too. Still not happy with it. Have a look at the end of the page: |
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