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Alive and well and OUT of New Orleans

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Little Hawk 01 Sep 05 - 11:22 PM
PoppaGator 01 Sep 05 - 11:24 PM
GUEST 02 Sep 05 - 12:20 AM
Roger the Skiffler 02 Sep 05 - 03:53 AM
Jeri 03 Sep 05 - 11:02 AM
Stilly River Sage 03 Sep 05 - 12:43 PM
GUEST,Dani 03 Sep 05 - 03:45 PM
Bill D 03 Sep 05 - 04:43 PM
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Subject: RE: Alive and well and OUT of New Orleans
From: Little Hawk
Date: 01 Sep 05 - 11:22 PM

Are those the only two alternatives?

Next question, please...


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Subject: RE: Alive and well and OUT of New Orleans
From: PoppaGator
Date: 01 Sep 05 - 11:24 PM

Just PM-ed Peter to tentatively accept his offer of that "lawsuit Tak" ! If, that is, we wind up staying in the northeast long enough to fit in a trip to Vermont.

Gargoyle:

Please refer to Member Photos for evidence of my lily-white Irish complexion. However, I swear to God that I'm every bit as black as anybody else on the inside, if not moreso ~ at least from my diaphragm up to my throat.


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Subject: RE: Alive and well and OUT of New Orleans
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Sep 05 - 12:20 AM

They don't let GUESTS view member's information. However, you clarified Gargoyle's post and the media storm, only the whites got out.


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Subject: RE: Alive and well and OUT of New Orleans
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 02 Sep 05 - 03:53 AM

Glad you got out in time, Tom,
Best wishes
RtS


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Subject: RE: Alive and well and OUT of New Orleans
From: Jeri
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 11:02 AM

If you go to Google Maps, you can type in your address and get a map.

Once the map cmes up, you can click on a link for a satellite view, or for areas hit by Katrina, there's a link for the 'Katrina' view. It seems like they were taken on Wed, Aug 31 and show the flood waters.


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Subject: RE: Alive and well and OUT of New Orleans
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 12:43 PM

If you go to Google and enter New Orleans, Louisiana (without a specific address) and click on satellite you'll see the area before the flood. Use the little arrows in the upper left side and you can tour the entire city and region. You'll see basically what is now missing or submerged. So sad.

SRS


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Subject: RE: Alive and well and OUT of New Orleans
From: GUEST,Dani
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 03:45 PM

Poppa, I'd be pissed if you didn't stop here on your way North...... we're spitting distance from the intersection of 85 and 40 (home of NC old-time music), and owners of an old house in a peaceful old town with plenty of peace, quiet, and space for you and yours.

Having been through a hurricane or three and lost nothing but my wits and the state of taking clean running water, food, electricity and gas for granted, I would be most grateful for an opportunity to help.


PM.

Dani


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Subject: RE: Alive and well and OUT of New Orleans
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 04:43 PM

Just looked at the map and I see that one area where I lived as a 3rd grader and was flooded out of in 1947 (water blown over the levees) is now just barely in the dry section. (504 Helios Ave.) The duplex we lived in before that, at 5729 Cameron Blvd. is underwater. Strange, how important and relevant that seems to me after almost 60 years. New Orleans is where I started school and where my continuous memories begin. I have always intended to go back there and revisit some of the things I remember as a kid.....no chance now, I guess.

The first 'folk song' I remember knowing was in a little book I had, and I remember standing on the unpaved street at 504 Helios, singing "Down in the Valley" from the back of the book.

ah, well...no reason for this rambling, except that if Max is to be believed, this thread may be around longer than *I* am, and I'd like to think someone may see it.


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Subject: RE: Alive and well and OUT of New Orleans
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 05:40 PM

The google maps are amazing. We used them while trying to track the storm and flooding as we watched WWLT online and tried to figure out where exactly they were talking about. We got parish maps, everything.

Google maps rocks.


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Subject: RE: Alive and well and OUT of New Orleans
From: SharonA
Date: 04 Sep 05 - 02:00 PM

PoppaGator, I too am very glad to hear that you and your loved ones made the decision to evacuate and were able to get out of town, find a safe place to ride out the storm, and get to Kentucky. Too bad about your old friend the Martin D-18 (and I hope it did indeed survive undamaged) -- I can't imagine how many instruments in N.O. were destroyed, on top of everything else.

Sorry if it seems petty to give a thought to the instruments lost in the midst of such a tremendous, far-reaching tragedy. But it seems to me that part of the tragedy is the loss of or damage to the tangible evidence of the unique musical heritage of N.O. (buildings, museum artifacts, etc.), as well as the diaspora of the people who made that music. With all the video that the media has been showing to the nation in the past week, I have only seen two brief clips of displaced NO'ans playing instruments, and maybe another two or three of evacuees singing (just hymns and one chorus of "God Bless New Orleans", no blues at a time one would most expect the blues to be sung), so I get the impression that the city's culture of music-making has been deeply wounded. It will be interesting to see how the culture changes, grows, matures as that wound heals.

Anyway, as to your plans for the immediate future, if you do go to New Jersey here's a suggestion: Unless your mother lives in the most barren of the Pine Barrens, there should be a public library in her neighborhood (town? city?). Most public libraries have computers with internet access for their patrons to use at no charge. That's where I do most of my Mudcat-lurking; I don't have internet access at home (I'm in the PA suburbs of Philly). So if your mom has or gets a free library card, you should be able to use it to log in occasionally and keep us 'Catters posted on how you're doing.

But wherever you go, you'll know our thoughts are with you.


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Subject: RE: Alive and well and OUT of New Orleans
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 04 Sep 05 - 02:57 PM

Since everything planned for New Orleans and environs in the near future is on hold, the ability of the larger region to absorb the business is being examined. I wonder how many rooms will be available for some of these events considering how many people may still be in long-term hotel situations around here.

Much care is required for moving meetings
from the Fort Worth Star-Telegram

Mitchell Schnurman
IN MY OPINION

The Fort Worth Convention & Visitors Bureau is in a delicate position. It's trying to land some of the business meetings scheduled for New Orleans in the next few months, but it doesn't want to appear to be opportunistic.

"We don't want people to think we're taking advantage of a catastrophe," says Doug Harman, the agency's president and chief executive.

His counterpart in Dallas, Phillip Jones, worries about the same issue. To be fair to New Orleans — and to soften public perceptions — the Dallas bureau is offering to swap conventions with the Crescent City. It proposes hosting some of New Orleans' meetings this fall and letting New Orleans have some of Dallas' conventions in the future.

"This is a rare opportunity to reintroduce a lot of conventioneers to Dallas, but we want to do it with dignity," Jones says. "We can't look like ambulance-chasers."

The human toll from Hurricane Katrina rightly remains the No. 1 issue on the public agenda. Until the immediate suffering ends and rebuilding begins, people will be cautious about discussing commercial opportunities.

Behind the scenes, however, there is much at stake. New Orleans is among the leading destinations for conventions and tourists, with 10 million visitors spending $4.9 billion there last year.

On Thursday, New Orleans officials formally canceled all convention business through November, acknowledging that the recovery will take a while.

Donna Karl of the New Orleans convention bureau says the decision affects 150 to 200 events in that time frame, not including others that bypassed the city agency and booked directly with hotels.

Many groups will cancel their events, she says, but most will scramble to reschedule, because their conventions are often a key source of revenue.

Fort Worth looked at the details of more than 100 New Orleans meetings planned for this fall, and Harman says it's talking closely with one prospect.

Dallas has been working with meeting planners representing about a dozen groups, Jones says, and it hopes that three or four will make decisions this week. Most of the prospects have meetings planned for the next six months in New Orleans, but some events are 12 months out.

Of course, other areas are pursuing the same opportunities. News reports have cited Houston, Austin, Baltimore and Southern California among the suitors, and it's safe to assume that every city with a convention center is putting out feelers.

Many won't be able to offer much. In this business, most conventions are scheduled years in advance — sometimes a decade before — because groups have to lock up large blocks of hotel rooms and exhibit space.

New Orleans can accommodate groups with 15,000 members or more, because it has so many hotels and a large convention center.

Fort Worth and Arlington can't bid for the bigger deals, but because of recent additions, Dallas, Austin and Houston have that capacity. The Gaylord Texan in Grapevine is a major convention hotel. And Las Vegas, Orlando, Fla., and Chicago have long been big players in the industry.

The key question is whether a city's convention and hotel space is available when the groups need it — or whether accommodations can be rearranged for other clients. In Fort Worth, Harman is torn over how much energy to put into the New Orleans effort.

His sales staff has been focusing on attracting conventions for the new Omni Hotel, scheduled to open by 2009.

The convention hotel is supposed to make Fort Worth competitive for a larger array of business. Does the agency take its eye off the big picture — and the big deals — to shoot for some of the smaller meetings that might come its way now?

"It's a dilemma," Harman says, "and it's harder to evaluate because you don't know when New Orleans will be operational again."

The quicker the recovery, the smaller the opportunity, and Fort Worth might be better off to focus further out.

Heywood Sanders, a public-administration professor at the University of Texas at San Antonio, is skeptical of the windfall that may come from New Orleans. He says that attendance at its convention center — the site of so much human suffering after last week's hurricane — has been falling sharply.

The number of events hasn't declined much, but fewer people are going to them. He says attendance at the convention center was just below 600,000 last year, compared with more than 1 million in 1999.

"The convention business is evaporating everywhere in the country, while cities are building more and more facilities," Sanders says.

New Orleans' leisure traffic accounts for much of the city's tourism, and he doubts that the Metroplex will win much of that business.

"People who wanted to go to a jazz festival in New Orleans or to Mardi Gras aren't going to just substitute Dallas or Fort Worth," he says.

Jones insists that the potential gain for Dallas' convention business is significant, and his agency has put a lot into the effort. In addition to the convention-swapping proposal, it has worked with American Airlines so that visitors can change reservations from New Orleans to Dallas/Fort Worth Airport without incurring an extra fee.

The bureau also helped coordinate promotions with area hotels. Some hotels cut room rates for people from hurricane-affected areas, and others have agreed to contribute 10 percent of revenue from relocated convention business to hurricane relief.

Jones says the Dallas convention bureau has hit its goals for this year, but a handful of big events from New Orleans would move the needle.

"We could go from having a good year to having a great one," Jones says.

If so, he can count on getting the chance to someday return the favor to his friends in New Orleans.


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