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BS: I smell revolution in the wind

GUEST,Peter Woodruff 02 Sep 05 - 07:19 PM
akenaton 02 Sep 05 - 07:34 PM
GUEST,G 02 Sep 05 - 07:38 PM
GUEST 02 Sep 05 - 07:38 PM
bobad 02 Sep 05 - 07:40 PM
Divis Sweeney 02 Sep 05 - 07:40 PM
akenaton 02 Sep 05 - 07:43 PM
GUEST,Peter Woodruff 02 Sep 05 - 07:56 PM
GUEST,G 02 Sep 05 - 08:07 PM
akenaton 02 Sep 05 - 08:18 PM
Ebbie 02 Sep 05 - 08:33 PM
The Fooles Troupe 02 Sep 05 - 08:43 PM
GUEST,G 02 Sep 05 - 10:42 PM
Ebbie 02 Sep 05 - 10:46 PM
GUEST,H 02 Sep 05 - 11:33 PM
Bunnahabhain 03 Sep 05 - 06:39 AM
GUEST,G 03 Sep 05 - 07:16 AM
GUEST,Jon 03 Sep 05 - 07:22 AM
Bee-dubya-ell 03 Sep 05 - 12:19 PM
CarolC 03 Sep 05 - 02:13 PM
GUEST 03 Sep 05 - 02:23 PM
GUEST 03 Sep 05 - 02:31 PM
CarolC 03 Sep 05 - 02:41 PM
GUEST,Peter Woodruff 03 Sep 05 - 04:02 PM
Clinton Hammond 03 Sep 05 - 04:40 PM
GUEST,G 03 Sep 05 - 04:56 PM
CarolC 03 Sep 05 - 07:17 PM
GUEST,H 03 Sep 05 - 08:23 PM
freda underhill 03 Sep 05 - 08:34 PM
Auggie 03 Sep 05 - 10:20 PM
GUEST,Art Thieme 03 Sep 05 - 11:27 PM
GUEST,Peter Woodruff 04 Sep 05 - 01:56 PM

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Subject: BS: I smell revolution in the wind
From: GUEST,Peter Woodruff
Date: 02 Sep 05 - 07:19 PM

Gas prices going out of sight. National Guard troops deployed in an immoral war in Iraq when they should be at home cleaning up Bush's immoral fuckup in New Orleans. I smell the crankcase oil from thousands of abandoned vehicles, the smell of unine and feces, the smell of dead bodies being eaten by rats, and the smell of revolution against the most corrupt government America has ever seen. I smell revolution in the wind. What do you smell?

Peter Woodruff


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Subject: RE: BS: I smell revolution in the wind
From: akenaton
Date: 02 Sep 05 - 07:34 PM

In Britain and the USA, I smell apathy and indifference.
In the Middle East I smell fire and blood.
In South America I smell hope and new life...Ake


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Subject: RE: BS: I smell revolution in the wind
From: GUEST,G
Date: 02 Sep 05 - 07:38 PM

I smell Horse puckey.


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Subject: RE: BS: I smell revolution in the wind
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Sep 05 - 07:38 PM

I LOVE AUSTRALIA


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Subject: RE: BS: I smell revolution in the wind
From: bobad
Date: 02 Sep 05 - 07:40 PM

Volunteers
    Jefferson Airplane

Look what's happening out in the streets
Got a revolution Got to revolution
Hey I'm dancing down the streets
Got a revolution Got to revolution
Ain't it amazing all the people I meet
Got a revolution Got to revolution
One generation got old
One generation got soul
This generation got no destination to hold


Pick up the cry
Hey now it's time for you and me
Got a revolution Got to revolution
Come on now we're marching to the sea
Got a revolution Got to revolution
Who will take it from you
We will and who are we
We are volunteers of America


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Subject: RE: BS: I smell revolution in the wind
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 02 Sep 05 - 07:40 PM

I smell my blackberry brandy, and also Bush getting his ass chewed...

E


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Subject: RE: BS: I smell revolution in the wind
From: akenaton
Date: 02 Sep 05 - 07:43 PM

GuestG...Do you live near Crawford Texas by any chance?


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Subject: RE: BS: I smell revolution in the wind
From: GUEST,Peter Woodruff
Date: 02 Sep 05 - 07:56 PM

I smell the wind and the wind ain't smellin' good. The Bush government
Is smellin' like we should have a Tea Party against this George too.

Peter Woodruff


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Subject: RE: BS: I smell revolution in the wind
From: GUEST,G
Date: 02 Sep 05 - 08:07 PM

No, in Crawford.

When I compare the 90s and now, the level of ineptness in both administrations was about equal.
What is not equal is the amount of outright hatred for the current President. It can't be just the war in Iraq, can some of it be due to him not being a smooth talking politician or is possibly due to the fact that the Republicans have really gained the upper hand with regard to power? And power is what it is all about, no matter who is in charge. Maybe some of it is a simple situation of some being 'poor losers'?


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Subject: RE: BS: I smell revolution in the wind
From: akenaton
Date: 02 Sep 05 - 08:18 PM

You're probably right guest,sometimes I feel sorry for Bush.
The guy's so obviously out of his depth; but I dont think it affects him, he's like a lower life form, insensitive to pain in himself or in others.


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Subject: RE: BS: I smell revolution in the wind
From: Ebbie
Date: 02 Sep 05 - 08:33 PM

"not being a smooth talking politician" Guest/G

Aw. Who said our president is NOT a smooth talking politician?   To wit:

"We've got a lot of rebuilding to do. First, we're going to save lives and stabilize the situation. And then we're going to help these communities rebuild. The good news is -- and it's hard for some to see it now -- that out of this chaos is going to come a fantastic Gulf Coast, like it was before. Out of the rubbles of Trent Lott's house -- he's lost his entire house -- there's going to be a fantastic house. And I'm looking forward to sitting on the porch." (Laughter) --George W. Bush, touring hurricane damage, Mobile, Ala., Sept. 2, 2005

"Americans should be prudent in their use of energy during the course of the next few weeks. Don't buy gas if you don't need it." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Sept. 1, 2005

"The best place for the facts to be done is by somebody who's spending time investigating it." —George W. Bush, on the probe into how CIA agent Valerie Plame's identity was leaked, Washington D.C., July 18, 2005

"I'm looking forward to a good night's sleep on the soil of a friend." —George W. Bush, on visiting Denmark, Washington D.C., June 29, 2005

"I was going to say he's a piece of work, but that might not translate too well. Is that all right, if I call you a 'piece of work'?" —George W. Bush to Jean-Claude Juncker, prime minister of Luxembourg, Washington, D.C., June 20, 2005

"The relations with, uhh — Europe are important relations, and they've, uhh — because, we do share values. And, they're universal values, they're not American values or, you know — European values, they're universal values. And those values — uhh — being universal, ought to be applied everywhere." —George W. Bush, at a press conference with European Union dignitaries, Washington, D.C., June 20, 2005

"You see, not only did the attacks help accelerate a recession, the attacks reminded us that we are at war." —George W. Bush, on the Sept. 11 attacks, Washington, D.C., June 8, 2005

"And the second way to defeat the terrorists is to spread freedom. You see, the best way to defeat a society that is — doesn't have hope, a society where people become so angry they're willing to become suiciders, is to spread freedom, is to spread democracy." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., June 8, 2005

"It seemed like to me they based some of their decisions on the word of — and the allegations — by people who were held in detention, people who hate America, people that had been trained in some instances to disassemble — that means not tell the truth." —George W. Bush, on an Amnesty International report on prisoner abuse at Guantanamo Bay, Washington, D.C., May 31, 2005 (Listen to audio)

"See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." —George W. Bush, Greece, N.Y., May 24, 2005 (Listen to audio)

"We discussed the way forward in Iraq, discussed the importance of a democracy in the greater Middle East in order to leave behind a peaceful tomorrow." —George W. Bush, Tbilisi, Georgia, May 10, 2005

"I think younger workers — first of all, younger workers have been promised benefits the government — promises that have been promised, benefits that we can't keep. That's just the way it is." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., May 4, 2005

"It means your own money would grow better than that which the government can make it grow. And that's important." —George W. Bush, on what private accounts could do for Social Security funds, Falls Church, Va., April 29, 2005

"It's in our country's interests to find those who would do harm to us and get them out of harm's way." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005

"We expect the states to show us whether or not we're achieving simple objectives — like literacy, literacy in math, the ability to read and write." —George W. Bush, on federal education requirements, Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005

"He understands the need for a timely write of the constitution." —George W. Bush, on Prime Minister Iyad Allawi of Iraq, Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005

"Well, we've made the decision to defeat the terrorists abroad so we don't have to face them here at home. And when you engage the terrorists abroad, it causes activity and action." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., April 28, 2005

"But Iraq has — have got people there that are willing to kill, and they're hard-nosed killers. And we will work with the Iraqis to secure their future." —George W. Bush,

MORE (if you can stand it)


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Subject: RE: BS: I smell revolution in the wind
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 02 Sep 05 - 08:43 PM

"I'm looking forward to a good night's sleep on the soil of a friend."

Night Soil?....


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Subject: RE: BS: I smell revolution in the wind
From: GUEST,G
Date: 02 Sep 05 - 10:42 PM

Gee, I don't have the answers.

akenaton;
Well, he got a very good college degree, owned a baseball team and is now President. What have you done?

Ebbie;
I just don't have that much time to research all the stuff you do.
Spending all that time in an endeavor to show that someone maybe an idiot could cause some to wonder who thr real idiot actually is.


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Subject: RE: BS: I smell revolution in the wind
From: Ebbie
Date: 02 Sep 05 - 10:46 PM

Aw, G, you too are a smooth talker! Who woulda thunk it... Two in the whole country.

If you can't resist seeing what is being logged - worldwide - of our president's attempts at conversation, just put "bushisms" in google. And enjoy.

Truthfully, I don't enjoy it at all. I am appalled.


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Subject: RE: BS: I smell revolution in the wind
From: GUEST,H
Date: 02 Sep 05 - 11:33 PM

What is not equal is the amount of outright hatred for the current President. It can't be just the war in Iraq, can some of it be due to him not being a smooth talking politician or is possibly due to the fact that the Republicans have really gained the upper hand with regard to power? And power is what it is all about, no matter who is in charge. Maybe some of it is a simple situation of some being 'poor losers'?

GUEST G has outdone him/herself. What a blatantly stupid remark.


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Subject: RE: BS: I smell revolution in the wind
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 06:39 AM

Gas prices going out of sight.
Somewhere near the rest of the worlds?

National Guard troops deployed in an immoral war in Iraq
Were they conscripted? No. You choose to join the armed forces, you have should realise you might have to fight someone, and follow orders, like them or not.

when they should be at home cleaning up Bush's immoral fuckup in New Orleans.
So the hurricane is his fault? Or the it's the fault of the federal govt. for not taking over the Caroninas, Florida, and the gulf coast every hurricane season. The Govt. is not blameless, but it's not all their fault

I smell the crankcase oil from thousands of abandoned vehicles, the smell of unine and feces, the smell of dead bodies being eaten by rats,
No comment

and the smell of revolution against the most corrupt government America has ever seen. Really? More dishonest than Nixon? More in the pockets of big business than the start of the 20th century?

I smell revolution in the wind. What do you smell?
A hatred of bush that has robbed you of any sense of reason or proportion.


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Subject: RE: BS: I smell revolution in the wind
From: GUEST,G
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 07:16 AM

H, okay, I will take that (not accept, though)

So, go ahead and tell me what you think rather than just a snide remark.
Perhaps you could attempt to explain along the lines of Bunnahabhain.


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Subject: RE: BS: I smell revolution in the wind
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 07:22 AM

Interesting article in the BBC News this morning.


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Subject: RE: BS: I smell revolution in the wind
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 12:19 PM

Just as the levees around New Orleans were built to withstand a category three hurricane, it appears that the ability of FEMA and other government agencies to respond to hurricane disasters is at about a "category 3" level.

I live in the area that was hit by Ivan last September and Dennis this past July. In both cases, federal response was outstanding. Food, water and ice were available almost immediately. The National Guard did a great job of helping with distribution of necessities, traffic control, and looting curtailment.

But, as with all seldom-tested systems, response was not perfect. There were cracks and many people wondered how well those cracks would hold up if more stress was put on the system. Now we know.

Prior to Katrina's landfall Charlie, which hit southwest Florida in August 2004, and Ivan were the second and third most costly hurricanes on record (after 1992's Andrew). Charlie was a very strong but mercifully small category 4 storm. FEMA did fine. Ivan was a monstrously large category 3 storm. FEMA did fine. Katrina was as strong as Charlie, but as big as Ivan. FEMA broke down. The system just wasn't prepared for something that big and devastating.

The worst-case scenario for a Gulf coast hurricane strike has always been a category 4 or 5 storm hitting New Orleans. The National Hurricane Center knew it. Every meteorologist and climatologist in the country knew it. FEMA knew it. But the worst-case scenario simply wasn't planned for. It should have been. And for about what it costs to build a handful of stealth bombers it could have been.


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Subject: RE: BS: I smell revolution in the wind
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 02:13 PM

I'd say people hate Bush because he is destroying our country. That's enough of a reason right there. No other reason is needed.


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Subject: RE: BS: I smell revolution in the wind
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 02:23 PM

CarolC, that is not a reason but your feeling.

May we have, say, 3 or 4 specific examples of how Bush is "destroying our country".


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Subject: RE: BS: I smell revolution in the wind
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 02:31 PM

Let's Burn Down the Cornfield

Let's burn down the cornfield
Let's burn down the cornfield
We can listen to it burn

We'll hide behind the oak tree
Hide behind the oak tree
Stay out of danger 'til I return

Oh, it's so good
On a cold night
To have the fire burning bold and bright

You hide behind the oak tree
Hide behind the oak tree
Stay out of danger 'til I return

Let's burn down the cornfield
Let's burn down the cornfield
We'll make love while it burns
We'll make love while it burns

We'll make love while it burns


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Subject: RE: BS: I smell revolution in the wind
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 02:41 PM

No, it's not my feeling. I don't hate Bush, although I do find that I am struggleing with the anger I'm feeling toward him right now.

His allocation of resources (redistribution of wealth away from the working class toward the already rich) is taking money away from the things that help keep a civilized nation healthy and strong, and he is putting it into the pockets of his cronies. He is taking money (in the form of taxes) and lives (in the form of service personnel) away from the things that help our society to function and be strong and vibrant, and he is putting them into things that only serve to further enrich the already rich and further increase the divide between the "haves" and the "have nots".

He is sacrificing the people of this country for his ambitions of world domination and empire. He is gutting all of the infrastructure that keeps our society going and keeps it from falling apart. And he is creating the largest national debt in the history of this country (by an unbelievable margin), and hardly using any of that borrowed money in any ways that benefit the people of this country. He's pissing it all away on his ambitions for empire and world domination.

He says he is using all of that money to make Americans more secure at home, but we know from our experiences during his presidency, that we have never been as unsecure as we have been during the years of his presidency. And every change he makes (for instance, his evisceration of FEMA) just ends up making us even less secure.


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Subject: RE: BS: I smell revolution in the wind
From: GUEST,Peter Woodruff
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 04:02 PM

Carol C,
You can't be serious. Bush failed the people of New Orleans and the rest of America. He would do the same to you if you were black and poor.

Peter


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Subject: RE: BS: I smell revolution in the wind
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 04:40 PM

"Bush failed the people of New Orleans"

What a load of bullshit....

What was he supposed to do? Wave his magic wand and make the worst storm in North Americas White History go away???

Pull your heads outa your collective backsides....   and go do something productive to help out...


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Subject: RE: BS: I smell revolution in the wind
From: GUEST,G
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 04:56 PM

Ditto on "what a load of bullshit".....

Peter, while CarolC and I may be miles apart on many things, I ask, no, make that challenged, for her to come up with some specfics and she did. So, until you can do the same and not continue wirh vague nonspecfics, I suggest you back off. Okay?

Two additonal items; while I feel a need to disagree with her last comments, I don't have the evidence to back it up he says with a semi-conservative shudder. Particulary FEMA but I shall wait and see.

I issue the same to you, Peter, 3 or 4 specfic examples on how "Bush failed the people of New Orleans".


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Subject: RE: BS: I smell revolution in the wind
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 07:17 PM

semi-conservative shudder

I'll tell you something GUEST,G. GW Bush is no conservative. Hell, I'm more conservative than GW Bush. So if you are even a semi-conservative, I think you are right that a shudder is perfectly in order at this time.


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Subject: RE: BS: I smell revolution in the wind
From: GUEST,H
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 08:23 PM

Certainly, G.

The American leader Himself said that the "initial federal effort had fallen short". Howzat?


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Subject: RE: BS: I smell revolution in the wind
From: freda underhill
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 08:34 PM

Published on Saturday, September 3, 2005 Notes from Inside New Orleans
by Jordan Flaherty

Friday, September 2 - I just left New Orleans a couple hours ago. I traveled from the apartment I was staying in by boat to a helicopter to a refugee camp. If anyone wants to examine the attitude of federal and state officials towards the victims of hurricane Katrina, I advise you to visit one of the refugee camps. In the refugee camp I just left, on the I-10 freeway near Causeway, thousands of people (at least 90% black and poor) stood and squatted in mud and trash behind metal barricades, under an unforgiving sun, with heavily armed soldiers standing guard over them. When a bus would come through, it would stop at a random spot, state police would open a gap in one of the barricades, and people would rush for the bus, with no information given about where the bus was going. Once inside (we were told) evacuees would be told where the bus was taking them - Baton Rouge, Houston, Arkansas, Dallas, or other locations. I was told that if you boarded a bus bound for Arkansas (for example), even people with family and a place to stay in Baton Rouge would not be allowed to get out of the bus as it passed through Baton Rouge.

You had no choice but to go to the shelter in Arkansas. If you had people willing to come to New Orleans to pick you up, they could not come within 17 miles of the camp. I traveled throughout the camp and spoke to Red Cross workers, Salvation Army workers, National Guard, and state police, and although they were friendly, no one could give me any details on when buses would arrive, how many, where they would go to, or any other information. I spoke to the several teams of journalists nearby, and asked if any of them had been able to get any information from any federal or state officials on any of these questions, and all of them, from Australian TV to local Fox affiliates complained of an unorganized, non-communicative, mess. One cameraman told me "as someone who's been here in this camp for two days, the only information I can give you is this: get out by nightfall. You don't want to be here at night."

There was also no visible attempt by any of those running the camp to set up any sort of transparent and consistent system, for instance a line to get on buses, a way to register contact information or find family members, special needs services for children and infirm, phone services, treatment for possible disease exposure, nor even a single trash can.


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Subject: RE: BS: I smell revolution in the wind
From: Auggie
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 10:20 PM

I don't smell Revolution in the Wind, other than the one sure to happen at the polls, but I can catch the odor of something similar to what David Crosby must have way back in 1971 (before coke and Columbian killed his nose for such things)when he wrote...

WHAT ARE THEIR NAMES
I wonder who they are
The men who really run this land
And I wonder why they run it
With such a thoughtless hand
What are their names ?
And on what streets do they live ?
I'd like to ride right over
This afternoon and give
Them a piece of my mind
About peace for mankind
Peace is not an awful lot to ask.

Thanks GW and anonymous friends. It's too bad you spent so much fighting your proactive war against phantom WMD threats abroad that you could no longer afford to formulate nor execute any reactive measures to very real threats here at home.


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Subject: RE: BS: I smell revolution in the wind
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 03 Sep 05 - 11:27 PM

Carol C is correct!

Bush and cohorts have been taking this country apart and fomenting this revolution ever since they impeached the last president for daring to get a blowjob from a young woman who worked for him -- and then dared to say it didn't happen. That lie was nothing compared to the bullshit that's been spewing from the mouths of these people ever since they stole the oval office.

Listen the the ACLU and Amnesty International if you want to hear the truth of our dire situation.

Art


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Subject: RE: BS: I smell revolution in the wind
From: GUEST,Peter Woodruff
Date: 04 Sep 05 - 01:56 PM

Art,
I think we are all sufficiently outraged to have a Tea Party and a Revolution!

Peter


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