BS: George Bush---the anti-Christ

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush---the anti-Christ
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 12:21 PM

If it is a personalized conception of God that troubles you, Wolfgang, then a much more impersonal version can readily be found in Taoism, Hinduism, Zen, Buddhism, and a number of other spiritual paths.

Whether or not people personalize "the old one" or "the powers of Nature" is entirely up to them, having to do with their own personality type, I suppose. Does it really matter?

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush---the anti-Christ
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 12:15 PM

one wonders where the dice would be thrown.....and whether they are loaded.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush---the anti-Christ
From: Wolfgang
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 07:18 AM

still in the same frame of mind:

What has always bothered me about Einstein's ...doesn't play dice quote is that Einstein has not used the word 'God' in it. He has written 'der Alte' (the Old; the old one) which is much more in line with his conception of a 'God', if there was one at all, as a 'God' in the sense of Spinoza.

Someone (God, Nature, or what/whoever) has once made the laws of Nature and hasn't interfered with the world since then. Einstein was quite open minded about how the world and its laws have started (God, Nature, nobody,...).

The whole Einstein quote in my very verbatim translation (letter to Max Born, 1926):
Quantum mechanics is very awe inspiring. But an inner voice tells me that it is not yet the real thing. The theory delivers a lot, but brings us hardly closer to the secret of the old one. I however am convinced that the old one doesn't throw dice.

Wolfgang

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush---the anti-Christ
From: *daylia*
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 09:39 AM

All men have two heads. It varies man to man which head is in charge. When George was a young man it was almost certainly the smaller one.

Y'know, this thought did not arise yesterday when contemplating Mr Bush's head.   Or rather, heads.   THis is definitely out of character .... I'm feeling a little flushed ....    :~O

He had 50 million people following him into the hell he has created, voting against their own interests last election ... Beyond compare? I donno, he's pretty unique. The whole world DOES marvel at how an obvious shallow illiterate won that job

He IS a rare bird, but if you subscribe to the theory that the 2004 election was rigged, not 'won' ...

and BTW according to his official bio and all of his supporters, he was healed, of alcoholism, by Billy Graham. That conversion is a huge source of his support.

I knew he's a recovered alcoholic, but being healed by Billy Graham? Ooooooo Jack you've started shivers runnin up and down my spine now ...

Say George fell victim to an assassination attempt sometime soon. According to a bit of intriguing American folklore called "Tecumseh's curse" or the "zero year curse", this would be no surprise - especially after October of this year. And considering the backlash rising against him now over the Katrina debacle, it's not too hard to imagine right?

Well, say he was shot in the head, and then miraculously recovered. Imagine the bible-thumpin frenzy THAT would ignite! Egads heaven help us all ... I think I've had enough creative imagination for one day!

Or maybe not   *sigh* here goes one last thought. Shycat's account IS beautiful and amazing and thought-provoking. The problem with such anecdotes is that folks start feeling 'less than', thinking that only 'special' or 'enlightened' people have or are entitled to these amazing spiritual experiences. This is a self-defeating delusion. It's dangerous too, because it encourages people to seek spiritual or psychic phenonoma rather than the truth.

I think that everyone has experiences like shycat's, if not consciously then in dreams. But until a person trains the mind to remember dreams, these experiences are simply forgotten upon awakening. Such experiences are a natural function of normal human consciousness - no more, no less - even though a lot of people think they are something highly unusual!

Consider Newton's experience of the apple falling on his head. Having an apple bonk you while sitting under an apple tree is a natural course of events, certainly nothing to write home to mama about! What made it special was Newton's approach; his deeper awareness, his unprecedented interpretation of that particular experience. He recognized the deeper truth or Law inherent in a very common, perfectly natural event, and the whole world benefitted from his insights.

IMHO everyday physical life itself is the ultimate miracle or "spiritual experience", when understood and undertaken in this light.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush---the anti-Christ
From: freda underhill
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 09:32 AM

Michael Brown, the director of FEMA, was nominated by President Bush in 2003 and plans to start the job again any day now. ... Prior to heading FEMA, Brown spent the '90s as a commissioner — this is true — of the International Arabian Horse Association. I guess he stood out because most Bush appointees are well connected to Arabian people.

The president has vowed to personally lead the investigation into the government's failed response to Katrina? Isn't that a job perhaps someone else should be doing?" –Jon Stewart
"No, not at all, Jon. To truly find out what went wrong, it's important for an investigator to have a little distance from the situation. And it's hard to get any more distant from it than the president was last week." –-"Daily Show" correspondent Samantha Bee

"A lot of people are now blaming President Bush for not evacuating New Orleans sooner. Hey, we're still trying to get him to evacuate Crawford, Texas. Took him five weeks to get out of there." --Jay Leno

"Today President Bush asked if his visit to the hurricane zone would count toward the service time he still owes the National Guard." --Jay Leno

"Many Americans are calling on President Bush to fire the head of FEMA Michael Brown because of the slow response to the crisis. Unfortunately, due to the red tape, firing Brown will take 6 to 8 months." --Conan O'Brien

"Our president isn't exactly getting high marks for his handling of the catastrophe. People don't seem to realize, yes the hurricane has been devastating to the people who live in that area, but it has also ruined the last three days of his vacation. He has suffered too." --Jimmy Kimmel

"President Bush sent Vice President Dick Cheney to New Orleans. Is that what they need down there? Another person requiring emergency medical help?" --Jay Leno

"Congress announced a plan to rename the Gulf of Mexico. They want to call it Persian Gulf 2 in hopes that President Bush would send troops there faster." --Jay Leno

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush---the anti-Christ
From: Peace
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 08:16 PM

Good one, pdq. It is the sad truth, indeed, LH.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush---the anti-Christ
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 08:04 PM

That's the sad truth.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush---the anti-Christ
From: pdq
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 07:53 PM

A man walks out of a local casino, one known to be shady.

His friend see him and walks up to talk.

"Joe, what are you thinking. You know their dice are loaded, the cards are marked and the wheels are weighted. Why do you play in there?"

The patron answers "I know it's rigged but it's the only game in town."

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush---the anti-Christ
From: Little Hawk
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 07:43 PM

I simply cannot imagine anyone voting for either the Democrats or the Republicans anymore. It's unthinkable.

But there's effectively no one else to vote for in the USA (in any realistic sense).

That's what's so sad about it. It's a closed shop. It's a "choice" that is really no choice at all. It's an oligarchy, not a democracy. Real democracy ended a long time ago. The $ySStem now just goes through the motions of elections in order to fool people into imagining they still have a voice. Abraham Lincoln was already predicting this demise of real democracy way back in the 1860's. He said that big commercial interests would destroy it. He was right.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush---the anti-Christ
From: pdq
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 07:03 PM

As they say...

"Two lefts don't make a right."

Actually, it takes three.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush---the anti-Christ
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 06:17 PM

Speaking of weird, pdq (what is that? Pretty Damn Quaint?), your opinions are derived from some questionable assumptions. For instance, it is not highly publicized but Bush is also in the 'business' of using the Lincoln Bedroom as a reward. Do some research.

And if Al Gore - may you be half the man he is - is to be judged by his father's associates, shall we go into Bush's antecedents? Frankly, I'd rather be a Communist than a Nazi.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush---the anti-Christ
From: pdq
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 05:05 PM

...just thinking about Albert A(rmand) Gore, since the dolt has never done an honest day's work in his life, he is the...

ANTI-PERSPIRANT!

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush---the anti-Christ
From: Peace
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 05:01 PM

So, that aside, we can at least recognize that there IS corruption in the USA and that it doesn't seem to follow party lines. We have that here, too.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush---the anti-Christ
From: Peace
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 04:51 PM

I will do that. What's your source?

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush---the anti-Christ
From: pdq
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 04:49 PM

Two small points, Brewster:

DC is not a state, although it may be a 'state of mind'.

Those states which attempt to halt corruption will have a high number of convictions. States like Louisana and Illinois, where corruption is endemic and considered 'smart' will have fewer convictions. Think about it.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush---the anti-Christ
From: Peace
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 04:38 PM

or Google

PUBLIC CORRUPTION IN THE UNITED STATES

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush---the anti-Christ
From: Peace
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 04:34 PM

www.corporatecrimereporter.com/corruptreport.pdf

I don't know how to link to PDF files. However, this site gives a neat report that is not in complete agreement with you, pdq. However, it does state uncategorically that the most corrupt place in the USA is the District of Columbia. What a surprise THIS will be to Mudcatters.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush---the anti-Christ
From: Peace
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 04:30 PM

Thought for sure Nevada would make that list. Where's it from?

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush---the anti-Christ
From: pdq
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 04:20 PM

...as Tom Lehrer once said...

"a most complex complex..."

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush---the anti-Christ
From: pdq
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 04:17 PM

BTW, the six most corrupt states in the US are:

Louisana
Arkansas
Missouri
Illinois
New York
New Jersey

All have a history of organized crime involvement and Democrat party machines.

Apologies to rural Illinois were some fine, honest people live.

Also apologies to those in Upstate New York, where people aren't corrupt, just a bit weird.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush---the anti-Christ
From: Peace
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 04:14 PM

Wasn't it Eisenhower who warned about a 'military-industrial' complex?

Well, it looks like most of us have the complex whether we want it or not.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush---the anti-Christ
From: Peace
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 04:05 PM

Ya mean Washington politicians have oil interests? Since when?

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush---the anti-Christ
From: pdq
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 04:04 PM

Whatever people think of George W. Bush, he kept us from gettin Gored...


Lincoln Bedroom Sleepover for Gore Benefactor Surrounded by Questionable Coincidences


By the Staff of Just Facts

9-22-00
In March of 1996, the chairman of Occidental Petroleum, an 18 billion dollar oil company, was an overnight guest in the Lincoln bedroom of the White House. Two days after the sleepover, Occidental's Political Action Committee (PAC) gave $100,000 to the Democratic National Committee. In 1997, the Washington Post revealed that the Clinton administration created an exception to a law that stood in the way of a business venture that Occidental wanted to pursue in the country of Sudan. Further investigation has uncovered additional information on this matter.

The Anti-Terrorism Law, Lincoln Bedroom and $100,000

In 1996, Congress passed and Bill Clinton signed what became Public Law 104-132. This law prohibits anyone in the United States from doing business with countries who are classified as state sponsors of terrorism. At the time, Occidental was pursuing an oil exploration deal with the country of Sudan, which is classified as a state sponsor of terrorism.
There was a 6 week period between when Congress passed this legislation and when Bill Clinton signed it into law. It was during this window of time that the chairman of Occidental stayed at the White House and Occidental's PAC gave $100,000 to the Democratic National Committee. In addition to the timing of the sleepover and the donation, a 9 year review of Occidental's political contributions found the amount of this particular donation is unprecedented, doubling the size of any other donation they have made during this period.
Bill Clinton and the Exception
The anti-terrorism law would have put an end to Occidental's plans in Sudan, but it contained a provision allowing the executive branch to make exceptions. The law went into effect during August of 1996. On the same day that the law became operative, the Clinton administration established an exception that allowed U.S. corporations and individuals to do business with Sudan.
Three months after the exception was instituted, the government of Sudan barred Occidental from participating in the oil deal. Sudan did this as a result of a newspaper article that appeared in the Washington Post, which revealed that the Clinton administration was giving military support to three nations who were enemies of the government in Sudan.
After Occidental could no longer profit from the exception, Bill Clinton closed it. Less than a year after Sudan barred Occidental from the oil deal, Bill Clinton issued an executive order containing language that mirrors the provision in the anti-terrorism law that his administration had excepted. In the executive order, Clinton stated that the policies of the government of Sudan were an "extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States," and declared "a national emergency to deal with that threat." Less than a year earlier, the Clinton administration stated that there was "nothing improper" in allowing the oil deal between Occidental and Sudan.
Al Gore and Occidental
In June of 2000, Al Gore said, "It takes somebody who is independent from big oil to take on big oil, and I'm independent from them . . ." At the time when the story about the exception was published, some of Al Gore's extensive financial dealings with Occidental were not widely reported.
In addition to campaign contributions, Occidental has been a benefactor of Al Gore and his father for many years. After Gore's father was defeated for reelection in 1970, Occidental hired him at a salary of $500,000 a year. In 1972, Occidental purchased a farm in Tennessee and promptly sold it to Gore's father, who turned around and resold the farm to Al Gore. Over the next decade, Occidental paid Al Gore $20,000 a year for the rights to mine minerals on this land. The payments added up to more than what Gore bought the land for, and during this entire period, Occidental never did any mining there. Presently, Al Gore is the executor of his father's estate, which contains more than $500,000 worth of stock in Occidental.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush---the anti-Christ
From: Peace
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 04:03 PM

"What this country needs is a good five cent cigar."

Well, it has one. The trouble is it costs a quarter. What this country really needs is a good five cent nickel.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush---the anti-Christ
From: GUEST,Peter Woodruff
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 04:00 PM

I have thought this since before he cheated his way into office in 2000. Even before his immoral war in Iraq, and even before his hienous setup of the tragedy in New Orleans. I am really amazed that I was right? No left! "Let's defund levee building by 80% and see the carnage and havoc we will reap!" W

Peter

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush---the anti-Christ
From: pdq
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 03:54 PM

More about that 'lil charmer Albert A Gore...


Al Gore's Teapot Dome.(Occidental Petroleum acquires large portion of Elk HIlls)(Brief Article)

The Nation; 7/17/2000; COCKBURN, ALEXANDER


Al Gore succeeded where the Administration of Warren Harding failed. He privatized Elk Hills, the huge oilfield outside Bakersfield, California, set aside long ago as a strategic reserve for the Navy. Back in the Harding days, Interior Secretary Albert Fall went to jail for taking a $100,000 bribe to approve lease of the field to Edward Doheny. For seventy years, lingering recollections of Teapot Dome remained strong enough to stymie attempted raids on the military's largest strategic fuel reserve. Nixon tried to sell it, and so did Reagan; each time Congress beat them back.

_____________________________________________________________________

Encyclopedia
Teapot Dome

Teapot Dome, in U.S. history, oil reserve scandal that began during the administration of President Harding. In 1921, by executive order of the President, control of naval oil reserves at Teapot Dome, Wyo., and at Elk Hills, Calif., was transferred from the Navy Dept. to the Dept. of the Interior. The oil reserves had been set aside for the navy by President Wilson. In 1922, Albert B. Fall, U.S. Secretary of the Interior, leased, without competitive bidding, the Teapot Dome fields to Harry F. Sinclair, an oil operator, and the field at Elk Hills, Calif., to Edward L. Doheny. These transactions became (1922–23) the subject of a Senate investigation conducted by Sen. Thomas J. Walsh. It was found that in 1921, Doheny had lent Fall $100,000, interest-free, and that upon Fall's retirement as Secretary of the Interior (Mar., 1923) Sinclair also "loaned" him a large amount of money. The investigation led to criminal prosecutions. Fall was indicted for conspiracy and for accepting bribes. Convicted of the latter charge, he was sentenced to a year in prison and fined $100,000. In another trial for bribery Doheny and Sinclair were acquitted, although Sinclair was subsequently sentenced to prison for contempt of the Senate and for employing detectives to shadow members of the jury in his case. The oil fields were restored to the U.S. government through a Supreme Court decision in 1927.

See M. R. Werner and J. Starr, Teapot Dome (1959); B. Noggle, Teapot Dome (1962).

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush---the anti-Christ
From: dianavan
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 03:53 PM

This is the second time I got 100 without even trying!

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush---the anti-Christ
From: pdq
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 03:43 PM

If ya got dyslexia, such things don't matter.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush---the anti-Christ
From: Peace
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 03:41 PM

A cigarette is just a cigarette, but a good cigar is a smoke. (G Burns)

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush---the anti-Christ
From: Peace
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 03:40 PM

pdq, you got 101.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush---the anti-Christ
From: pdq
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 03:40 PM

OK, close but no cigar, oh well...

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush---the anti-Christ
From: Peace
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 03:40 PM

Incidentally, I think if Dems get in next time that there won't be a rush to undo much that has gone wrong during the watches of Bush and Clinton. Poor people will continue to remain poor and big money will continue to call the shots.

Clinton's non-action during the Rwanda crisis turned me off him. And now, I fail to see any difference between the parties other than their espoused platforms--and those words don't ever seem to translate to a reality that makes life better for the average guy or gal.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush---the anti-Christ
From: pdq
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 03:38 PM

Got it! 100!

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush---the anti-Christ
From: dianavan
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 03:37 PM

pdq -

What are you reading?

Seems to me that international co-operation towards disarmament is a good thing.

Why shouldn't Gore use family ties to encourage peace?

Are you afraid of Russia or are you afraid of attempts to find a peaceful resolution to the problem of nuclear arms?

Google: Gore-Chernomyrdin Commission for a broader perspective.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush---the anti-Christ
From: Peace
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 03:35 PM

I am.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush---the anti-Christ
From: pdq
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 03:34 PM

Dang, Brewster, this means you may really BE a moderate!

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush---the anti-Christ
From: Peace
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 03:17 PM

I don't see that either Reps or Dems offer Americans much choice. Seems that politics engenders greed, and taxpayers pay.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush---the anti-Christ
From: pdq
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 03:15 PM

And then there is Albert A. Gore, who would have carried on his family tradition, had he gotten more votes than his opponent in the 2000 election (which, of course he didn't...


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by Joseph Farah
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Gore sensitive about Hammer connection
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...Al Gore is being cagey about his middle name because of his family's long-time association with a billionaire Soviet apparatchik.

In her Feb. 15 column, Jeanette Walls reveals the vice president usually gives only his middle initial -- A -- when asked about his middle name. When pressed upon by a fifth grader recently, Gore asked the kid to give his full name.

In other words, the vice president won't even give a straight, direct answer to the question: "What's your name?"

Does this remind you of any recent presidents?

On his tax return, Gore lists his middle name as Albert. I always thought that was his first name. According to the Wall Street Journal, his birth certificate lists the middle name as simply the initial "A."

Very strange. Why the hypersensitivity?

A source told Walls that his parents gave him the initial as a middle name because they wanted their friend and benefactor, Armand Hammer, to believe their child was named for him. An official spokesman for the vice president questioned the veracity of the report.

With good reason the campaign wants to divert attention from the Hammer-Gore connection.

Hammer used to boast that he had Sen. Al Gore Sr. "in his back pocket." As I have reported here before, Hammer set up Gore Sr. in business before he ventured into politics, stayed close to him throughout his political career and hired him after he left office.

"Throughout the whole of his life, Al Gore Sr. and his family depended on pay-outs, kickbacks and subventions from Hammer," wrote Neil Lyndon, who worked for Hammer. "Like his father before him, Al Gore Jr.'s political career was lavishly sponsored by Hammer from the moment it began until Hammer died, only two years before Gore Clinton in the 1992 race for the White House."

Who was Hammer? He was a personal friend of V.I. Lenin. He was known as Lenin's "path" to America's financial resources. He was the first of a long line of Western businessmen to participate in KGB-controlled joint ventures in the Soviet Union. He was the son of Julius Hammer, a founder of the Socialist Labor Party and later the Communist party USA and who served time in Sing Sing for performing illegal abortions. Armand Hammer was called the "Capitalist Prince" by the KGB. He dutifully served the Soviets for seven decades and became the first -- and only -- "American capitalist" to be awarded the Order of Lenin.

According to Edward J. Epstein's "Dossier: The Secret History of Armand Hammer," Lenin told Stalin about this so-called "industrialist": "This is a small path leading to the American 'business' world, and this path should be made use of in every way."

In other words, Hammer was a part-time spy, part-time money-launderer, part-time "industrialist" -- but a full-time traitor to the United States of America.

To the Soviet Union in his day, Hammer was a figure with much in common with the contemporary spy-cum-billionaire Mochtar Riady -- doing the bidding of socialist tyrants and making a bundle in the process.

It was Al Gore Sr. who stopped the FBI from pursuing an investigation of Hammer as a Soviet agent of influence. And the cozy relationship with the family continued when Al Gore Jr. -- whatever his real name is -- was elected to the Senate in 1980. Hammer was the guest of honor in the "senators only" section during President Reagan's inauguration.

The Hammer connection continued to define Al Gore's political career. He serves as co-chairman of a Russian-U.S. commission intended to help the next generation of Armand Hammer-style "Capitalist Princes" develop contacts with businesses that are little more than foreign intelligence fronts. In 1994, the vice president established U.S.-Russian Joint Commission on Economic and Technical Cooperation, better known as the Gore-Chernomyrdin Commission. The purpose of the commission is to help establish join ventures in space exploration, science and technology, defense conversion, environmental initiatives, public health issues, agribusiness and economic development. The Russian side of this equation is littered with shadowy figures with one foot in the intelligence community and the other in mob-related activities.

Now you see why Al Gore Jr. is the perfect candidate to continue the Bill Clinton tradition. He's been groomed for it his whole life -- from the very day he was born.

So, at the next Democratic party town hall meeting, some one should ask the simple, straightforward question -- once again -- of candidate Al Gore: "Sir, what is your full name?"

It will be fun to watch him squirm, change the subject and evade answering. And now you'll know why.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush---the anti-Christ
From: Peace
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 03:09 PM

Thank you.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush---the anti-Christ
From: pdq
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 03:05 PM

Nixon left with a 450 thousand dollar "fortune", includeg his family home in southern California, an asset he inherited.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush---the anti-Christ
From: Peace
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 03:01 PM

Have any entered poor and left poor?

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush---the anti-Christ
From: Ebbie
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 03:00 PM

pdq, would you please post a link to the former president's fortune? I looked at Jeeves and on Google and Snopes but didn't find any solid information. Thanks.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush---the anti-Christ
From: pdq
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 02:32 PM

The most obvious ones are Lyndon Johnson and Bill Clinton.

Clinton has amassed a personal fortune of over 70 million dollars, mostly after he left office, as the markers he held came due.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush---the anti-Christ
From: Peace
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 02:20 PM

I wonder how many presidents of the USA have entered politics poor and ended up rich?

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush---the anti-Christ
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 02:19 PM

some observations..

Far as I can see, George has only one head.

All men have two heads. It varies man to man which head is in charge. When George was a young man it was almost certainly the smaller one.

Granted, that head's deficiencies are glaringly obvious and dangerous too, but not 'deadly' (at least for him). He's no Pied Piper! (although his inner circle does appear quite rat-infested).

He had 50 million people following him into the hell he has created, voting against their own interests last election.

He's yet to be miraculously healed of anything. With the possible exception of a few million already-deluded bible-thumpers, he's far from becoming the object of the whole world's marvel or (willing) prostration. And he's certainly not beyond compare! Interesting parallels can be drawn with, for example, a garden slug (although slugs DO serve a few useful purposes). Perhaps a mad bull would be better?

Beyond compare? I donno, he's pretty unique. The whole world DOES marvel at how an obvious shallow illiterate won that job.

and BTW according to his official bio and all of his supporters, he was healed, of alcoholism, by Billy Graham. That conversion is a huge source of his support.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush---the anti-Christ
From: Bill D
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 01:21 PM

I am awed that anyone can achieve an experience like 'shycat'...even for a moment. I'm sure it was not achieved without both practice and and a 'will' to find something beyond our usual awareness.

As to what actually happens during such an experience, I don't think anyone can say, though I have vague suspicions. As one who has an interest in knowing what lies behind our experiences, rather than merely reading subjective speculation, I doubt that my basic attitude vector (to coin a phrase) will ever allow me to have such an experience. I am just too psychologically resistant to the discipline required...*shrug*

   I try not to pass any absolute judgement on these experiences, but merely to look in a reasonably formal way at what I perceive as claims about their nature and to note when those *claims* break rules of logic and 'proof'. NOTE: This in no way suggests that someone did not have the experience! It merely serves as a guide for evaluation by those who did NOT have the experience, and sometimes looks at alternative possible explanations.

There is a great deal to learn about how the universe works, how our minds work...and how our minds and the Universe are related. There are many conflicting theories....and perhaps the 'truth' lies somewhere NO ONE has seen yet. And perhaps the absolute answers are in principle not approachable from our standpoint. To me, the search is as important as the answer....and that is why I will always remain a skeptic; interested, but suspicious, of implied answers. I don't want to be strictly an adversary, but rather a gentle nag...asking whether everything has been taken into account.

I think we need both the visionaries AND the skeptical nags.

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush---the anti-Christ
From: *daylia*
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 12:29 PM

Well, I know who the anti-Christ is but I'm not saying either!   :-)
But it can't be GWB, unless he manages to rig this requirement sometime soon ...

...I saw that one of it's heads seemed to have a fatal wound but that this deadly injury had healed and, after that, the whole world had marveled and followed the beast ... they prostrated themselves in front of the beast, saying, "Who can compare with the beast?"

(Rev 13:3-5)

Far as I can see, George has only one head. Granted, that head's deficiencies are glaringly obvious and dangerous too, but not 'deadly' (at least for him). He's no Pied Piper! (although his inner circle does appear quite rat-infested). He's yet to be miraculously healed of anything. With the possible exception of a few million already-deluded bible-thumpers, he's far from becoming the object of the whole world's marvel or (willing) prostration. And he's certainly not beyond compare! Interesting parallels can be drawn with, for example, a garden slug (although slugs DO serve a few useful purposes). Perhaps a mad bull would be better?

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush---the anti-Christ
From: JennyO
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 10:46 AM

I know who shycat is, but I'm not saying ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush---the anti-Christ
From: Tam the man
Date: 10 Sep 05 - 06:38 AM

Yes he is HEHEHEHEHEHE

He's pro money and pro oil, he doesn't care for people at all.

He only cares if you're a white anglo saxon protestant if you're none of these then tough shit.

(Only kidding)

Subject: RE: BS: George Bush---the anti-Christ
From: Amos
Date: 09 Sep 05 - 11:18 PM

Beautifully described, Shycat, if that is who you are.

Individuals with such descriptions vary in the details, but never in the truths revealed.

Makes ya wonder!

A