Lyr ADD: Make and Break Harbour (Stan Rogers)

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Make and Break Harbour (Stan Rogers)
From: number 6
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 11:03 PM

Exactly Kendall "as a musician and songwriter" and only that.

sIx

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Make and Break Harbour (Stan Rogers)
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 13 Sep 05 - 06:06 AM

It is a shame that so many poeple lack objectivity, when it comes to certain subjects, like Irish Nationalism,Republicans or Democrats, and their personal heroes or heroines. However to use it as an excuse to insult someone with who's opinion you disagree is the height of immaturity. It also beggars belief that a person who posts some of the most boorish posts on this forum, should accuse someone else of that act.
Giok.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Make and Break Harbour (Stan Rogers)
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Sep 05 - 08:14 AM

Amen. I've known many people who are unable to separate who you are from what you think.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Make and Break Harbour (Stan Rogers)
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 13 Sep 05 - 03:39 PM

You are what you think... and what you do... and how you express yourself... Maybe not compeletely.... but that is at least a part of who you are...

My momma always said, "Wanker is as wanker does...."

"so many poeple lack objectivity"
Like that... Where is it written that says people NEED objectivity?!?!?! Objectivity is for court judges and scientists... I only experience what I do because my own SUBJECTIVE senses tell me about the world around me... Own your space in the world... stand up and shout it from the roof tops... Ya know... as if you HAD a pair...

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Make and Break Harbour (Stan Rogers)
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Sep 05 - 05:19 PM

Sure, if you enjoy being disliked and even shunned like an anti social brat.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Make and Break Harbour (Stan Rogers)
From: Charley Noble
Date: 13 Sep 05 - 05:29 PM

Hey, Clinton, you're still floundering around. Here, catch this anchor and I'll haul you back in!

Stan Rogers spent a number of weekends at our collective house in Lansing, Michigan, while he was there for a concert at the 10 Pound Fiddle and I can certainly see how some people might have been offended by what he said in casual conversation, or in spirited debate. He was a big lug too. But he also was a very generous man, and helped many unknown singers get a start. And he and Garnet became very mellow after we gave them a glass or two of absolute alcohol!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Make and Break Harbour (Stan Rogers)
From: number 6
Date: 13 Sep 05 - 09:46 PM

To understand Stan Rogers personality is to undestand where he came from.

He was born and raised in a tough blue collar steel town (Hamilton Ontario) to parents that arrived there from the Canadian Maritimes to find a basic living. Maritimers are people that say it like it is, yes some can be boorish, but overall they are they are the most humane, generous people in Canada. The Maritimes are also the poorist region in Canada, and even so much more in the times of Stan's parents. Upper Canada (Ontario) was not so warm in welcoming Maritimers to their province. So growing up in a harsh, hard town in a family that has moved to a region were they are are looked town upon would produce a personality such as Stan's. The boorishness, and the the humane generosity that Stan possessed. It would also serve him with a vision of what the world is like ... the hardness of it and the beauty of it.

As I mentioned before ... Stan would certainly not disagree with what Kendall said, and he certainly would not want to be remembered strictly as a saint ... he would want to be remembered for what he was.

sIx

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Make and Break Harbour (Stan Rogers)
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 14 Sep 05 - 12:07 AM

"some people might have been offended"

Every single thing really worth doing is going to be offensive to some wanker or other...

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Make and Break Harbour (Stan Rogers)
From: kendall
Date: 14 Sep 05 - 06:51 AM

I have good friends all over New Brunswick and they are among the most decent, friendly, warm talented people I have ever met.
I worked with officers of the Canadian dept. of Fisheries and forestry back when I was in Federal law enforcement, and I found them to be the same. Not a boor in the bunch.
Stan was one of a kind; I'm sure he would agree to that!

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Make and Break Harbour (Stan Rogers)
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 14 Sep 05 - 02:11 PM

I hope someone treats you the same when you're dead...

The only boor here is you

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Make and Break Harbour (Stan Rogers)
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Sep 05 - 05:21 PM

I didn't know the truth was adjustable according to whether you are alive or dead. The things one can learn here.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Make and Break Harbour (Stan Rogers)
From: SINSULL
Date: 15 Sep 05 - 11:04 AM

Is that the sound and the fury I hear?

Subject: Lyr Add: MAKE AND BREAK HARBOUR (Stan Rogers)
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 15 Sep 05 - 03:45 PM

MAKE AND BREAK HARBOUR
(Stan Rogers)

How still lies the bay in the light western airs
Which blow from the crimson horizon.
Once more we tack home with a dry empty hold,
Saving gas with the breezes so fair.
She's a kindly Cape Islander, old, but still sound
But so lost in the long liner's shadow.
Make and break, and make do, but the fish are so few
That she won't be replaced should she founder.

It's so hard not to think of before the big war
When the cod were so cheap and so plenty.
Foreign trawlers go by now with long-seeing eyes,
Taking all, where we seldom take any;
And so the young folk don't stay with the fisherman's way.
Long ago, they all moved to the cities,
And the ones left behind, old, tired, and blind
Can't work for "a pound or a penny".

CHORUS: In Make and Break Harbour the boats are so few,
Too many are pulled up and rotten.
Most houses stand empty. Old nets hung to dry
Are blown away, lost and forgotten.

I can see the big draggers have stirred up the bay
Leaving lobster traps smashed on the bottom.
Can they think it don't pay to respect the old ways
That Make and Break men have not forgotten?
For we still keep our time to the turn of the tide,
And this boat that I built with my father
Still lifts to the sky! The one-lunger and I
Still talk like old friends on the water.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Make and Break Harbour (Stan Rogers)
From: Barry Finn
Date: 15 Sep 05 - 06:26 PM

I agree. Even through the posting I have above from Stan's offical site has it as bright I belive it's "light" to. Bright makes no sense at all & "light" does. A light wind could even be a 'catspaw'.
Barry

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Make and Break Harbour (Stan Rogers)
From: GUEST,Gloucesterman
Date: 15 Sep 05 - 09:13 PM

I've sung this song for years and also have the song book that presumably Stan proof read. I offer these corrections to the most recent posting of lyrics:

Light western airs (as was stated)

When the cod went so cheap but so plenty,

And the ones left behing, old, and tired, and blind. (Scans better too.)


I do think that the parties having at eachother in this thread might well consider that they are having issues about bullying while they actually bully eachother. Consider taking it to another thread, or, better yet, get over it. People interested in the song probably don't want to have to wade through the muck.
No body asked, just my opinion.
Thanks!

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Make and Break Harbour (Stan Rogers)
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 15 Sep 05 - 11:41 PM

"People interested in the song probably don't want to have to wade through the muck."

This is why I suggested elsewhere that perhaps the Clones might want to edit this thread and delete all but the 1st and 2nd post... Cause pretty much everything after that is a total pile of dogshit...

But seeing as they obviously don't want to be seen to take an active, interested role in the quality of (Or the apperance of quality at least) Mudcat, nothing has (or will) happened....

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Make and Break Harbour (Stan Rogers)
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Sep 05 - 09:26 AM

Yawn

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Make and Break Harbour (Stan Rogers)
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Sep 05 - 09:27 AM

Total dog shit. Yup, you should know.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Make and Break Harbour (Stan Rogers)
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Sep 05 - 09:44 AM

Clinton you piled most of the dogshit onto this forum!

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Make and Break Harbour (Stan Rogers)
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 16 Sep 05 - 01:58 PM

Is there a buzzing noise or something in here? Sounds like the wings of a pansy-beatle...

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Make and Break Harbour (Stan Rogers)
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Sep 05 - 02:48 PM

Yeah there is something buzzing in here. It's not a pansy-beatle, it's little Clinton Hammond busy spreading dogshit around.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Make and Break Harbour (Stan Rogers)
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 16 Sep 05 - 03:19 PM

Yup... that's a pansy beatle.... Specifically, of the WimpGuest variety... Notice how he's distinctive in his inability to develope his own cry, and is forced to rely on his mincry... his simplified versions of the calls of more intelligent and articualte species... Unless he finds another of his ilk, the same low-brow, the same lack of inventiveness, he'll spend another year without a mate...

It's probably better that way

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Make and Break Harbour (Stan Rogers)
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Sep 05 - 03:54 PM

Touched a nerve with the little Clinton Hammond I see. Why don't you go take a ride on your yellow and red play school tractor and find some more doggy poo to dump on other threads. It might divert your attention and make you feel happy again.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Make and Break Harbour (Stan Rogers)
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 16 Sep 05 - 04:01 PM

Wow... you really are disconected from reality aren't you...

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Make and Break Harbour (Stan Rogers)
From: kendall
Date: 16 Sep 05 - 04:20 PM

disconnected has two n's

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Make and Break Harbour (Stan Rogers)
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 16 Sep 05 - 05:12 PM

Yes... yes it does...

Thanks, Captain Obvious...

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Make and Break Harbour (Stan Rogers)
From: number 6
Date: 16 Sep 05 - 05:23 PM

Clinton .... ya have to admit, you have dumped a lot crap onto to this thread.

sIx

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Make and Break Harbour (Stan Rogers)
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 16 Sep 05 - 05:57 PM

That might be an attempt to get the 'powers' here to clean it up...

:-P

It might also be that someone did it first, and I'm just maarking MY territory over his...

Heh

Could just be poking the weak to hear 'em whimper...

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Make and Break Harbour (Stan Rogers)
From: number 6
Date: 16 Sep 05 - 09:51 PM

Jeeeezuz H. !!

sIx

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Make and Break Harbour (Stan Rogers)
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 16 Sep 05 - 10:11 PM

I doubt he's got anything to do with it

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Make and Break Harbour (Stan Rogers)
From: katlaughing
Date: 17 Sep 05 - 01:54 AM

With the exception of most of your own postings, CH, there have been some very interesting and informative postings to this thread. I read your request; then I read this thread. There are plenty of good postings after the first two. Sounds to me as though you are hero-worshipping or something and don't like hearing that Rogers may not have always been such a nice guy. No one has said he sucked at singing and songwriting, so maybe you could focus on that instead and cease with the sniping.

I sure wish Rick was here to put in his 2 cents.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Make and Break Harbour (Stan Rogers)
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Sep 05 - 07:56 AM

Not to put too fine a point on it, but that whole first line makes no sense.

One must assume that he is writing about the east coast, so, a western air would have to be coming OFF the land. So, how can it be also blowing FROM the crimson horizon?

Let's face it, Stan was not a sailor.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Make and Break Harbour (Stan Rogers)
From: Jeri
Date: 17 Sep 05 - 08:40 AM

Here's a free clue, guest - it was sunset on the east coast.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Make and Break Harbour (Stan Rogers)
From: kendall
Date: 17 Sep 05 - 09:25 AM

Poetic license is very important in poetry. Someone once said that a computer could write a poem about the moon, but it wouldn't be very romantic.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Make and Break Harbour (Stan Rogers)
From: Jeri
Date: 17 Sep 05 - 09:44 AM

But in this case, I don't think it was poetic license. I think it was somebody seeing 'mistakes' they were looking for and NOT seeing anything else.

It's Canada. They have all these lumpy things up there that stick out into the Atlantic such as Nova Scotia. Then there's the first post with lyrics that states: The note with the dots I have says "I believe the first song for the Inshore Fishermen".

Honestly, somebody just asked for the damned words. The horizon could be over the water facing west, or it could be looking inland.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Make and Break Harbour (Stan Rogers)
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 17 Sep 05 - 10:40 AM

"somebody seeing 'mistakes' they were looking for and NOT seeing anything else"

My point exactly!

" Rogers may not have always been such a nice guy"
I don't care what kind of guy he was... This isn't (Or shouldn't have been) a thread about him... I wasn't the one who 'sniped' (Not that I feel any need to justify my actions)

This thread would be worth a LOT more if it was deleted back to the 2nd post. (Not that I expect it to happen...)

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Make and Break Harbour (Stan Rogers)
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Sep 05 - 11:48 AM

yawn

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Make and Break Harbour (Stan Rogers)
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 17 Sep 05 - 12:04 PM

Case in point, the above post

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Make and Break Harbour (Stan Rogers)
From: gnu
Date: 17 Sep 05 - 12:28 PM

Re GUEST 17 Sep 05 - 07:56 AM....

I believe Stan spent a wee bit of time on the Western Shore of Nova Scotia... a map might help.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Make and Break Harbour (Stan Rogers)
From: kendall
Date: 17 Sep 05 - 01:13 PM

Good point, Gnu. A chart would be even better. LOL

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Make and Break Harbour (Stan Rogers)
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 17 Sep 05 - 01:43 PM

Portmahomack a village on the east coast not too far away from me, which faces due west .
Giok

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Make and Break Harbour (Stan Rogers)
From: nutty
Date: 17 Sep 05 - 01:52 PM

There are times of the year when you can see the sun set over the sea at Whitby - north-EAST coast of the UK, so I presume it is possible that it happens in other parts of the world.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Make and Break Harbour (Stan Rogers)
From: number 6
Date: 17 Sep 05 - 08:11 PM

Exactly gnu ... get a map, take a look, specifically at Cape Breton. You'll see lots of those "lumpy things up there that stick out into the Atlantic such as Nova Scotia." might even be surprised to see a west cost .... geeesh !!

sIx

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Make and Break Harbour (Stan Rogers)
From: Charley Noble
Date: 27 Apr 12 - 07:57 AM

I hesitate to revive this somewhat fractious thread but I'm curious about the origin of the tune. Some tunes used by Stan appear adapted from traditional sources, i.e., "Watching the Apples Grow" appears inspired by "Cherokee Shuffle." Is "Make an' Break Harbour" similarly adapted?

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Make and Break Harbour (Stan Rogers)
From: GUEST,kendall
Date: 27 Apr 12 - 08:42 AM

There are so many people who think in absolutes; black or whit, right or wrong, nothing in between, unable to say, I have a different opinion, and choose rather to say "You are wrong". I have no patience with that kind of limited thinking.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Make and Break Harbour (Stan Rogers)
From: Charley Noble
Date: 27 Apr 12 - 12:21 PM

Kendall et al-

"I hesitate to revive this somewhat fractious thread..."

I'd really like to know more about the origin of the tune, especially as I'd like to use it as the musical setting for a vintage poem.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Make and Break Harbour (Stan Rogers)
From: Sandy Mc Lean
Date: 28 Apr 12 - 12:45 AM

Charley,
If you watch this video it will give you some insight. The song is all about the inshore fishermen of Nova Scotia's Chedabucto Bay where Stan's roots lay.
One Warm Line

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Make and Break Harbour (Stan Rogers)
From: Beer
Date: 28 Apr 12 - 12:54 AM

I first heard this song I believe it was 1980 and have been singing it ever since. Thank you Stan. We still miss you.
adrien

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Make and Break Harbour (Stan Rogers)
From: GUEST,kendall
Date: 28 Apr 12 - 07:42 AM

We certainly do.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Make and Break Harbour (Stan Rogers)
From: Charley Noble
Date: 28 Apr 12 - 09:01 AM

Sandy-

That is a beautifully done video. I'm not surprised. Canadians do such a great job when it comes to tributes.

So, I'm still waiting for clues about the tune for "Make & Break Harbour"? I suppose I can try and contact Valerie again but last time there was no response from her or her agent.

I don't want to "pirate" a Stan Rogers tune. If anyone can provide me via PM an up to date e-mail address, I would really appreciate it.

Charley Noble