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Lyr Add: I'll Bet You're Sorry Now, Tokyo Rose

chico 11 Sep 05 - 05:27 AM
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Charley Noble 12 Sep 05 - 01:37 PM
mack/misophist 12 Sep 05 - 04:02 PM
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Subject: Lyr Add: I'll Bet You're Sorry Now, Tokyo Rose
From: chico
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 05:27 AM

Date of song varies, I've seen 1947 and 1958. . . Abe Burrows was a noted writer who specialized in rewriting broadway scripts. Song was not necessarily historically accurate. Chords are not authoritative.


(g a b c, a d > g)

C             F          C                     D7       G7
I'll Bet Your Sorry Now, Tokyo Rose, sorry for what you done
C             F          C          A7   D7                G7
I'll bet your sorry that you went to work for that old Rising Sun
F#°                      C7          A7                         D7    G7
You stuck a knife in the USA, you forgot what they learned you at U.C.L.A.


I'll Bet Your Sorry Now, Tokyo Rose, sorry for what you [Oriental Interlude]
          F#° G7   C
Sorry for what you done.

[Abe Burrows, 1947]


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: I'll Bet You're Sorry Now, Tokyo Rose
From: chico
Date: 11 Sep 05 - 05:31 AM

Alternative chords:

(g a b c, a d > g)

C             F          C          7         D7       G7
I'll Bet Your Sorry Now, Tokyo Rose, sorry for what you done
C             F          C          A7   D7                G7
I'll bet your sorry that you went to work for that old Rising Sun
C7                      F7          A7                         D7    G7
You stuck a knife in the USA, you forgot what they learned you at U.C.L.A.


I'll Bet Your Sorry Now, Tokyo Rose, sorry for what you [Oriental Interlude]
          F#° G7   C
Sorry for what you done.

[Abe Burrows, 1947]


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: I'll Bet You're Sorry Now, Tokyo Rose
From: chico
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 12:12 AM

No comments?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: I'll Bet You're Sorry Now, Tokyo Rose
From: Paul Burke
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 06:54 AM

Just the usual American racist vileness. The whole affair.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: I'll Bet You're Sorry Now, Tokyo Rose
From: chico
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 12:53 PM

Oh, and the British and Japanese are noted for the racial tolerance?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: I'll Bet You're Sorry Now, Tokyo Rose
From: Charley Noble
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 01:37 PM

Chico-

Your lyrics add deserves more than a kneejerk reaction.

Well, in my opinion the song is overtly mean-spirited, let's rub in the defeat of Imperial Japan using the name of one of its most wellknown radio propogandists. It's certainly not surprising that some American would compose such a song and find a market for it in the post WWII years. And it's certainly true that Japan attacked the US first and that thousands of US soldiers and civilians, not to mentions millions of people in other adjacent lands, were brutalized by the Japanese armed forces.

However, I never did think it was morally convincing to count up bodies, or the number of brutalized people, to decide what was right or wrong. It was a war we had to win but winning the peace was even more important. And that type of song could not have been helpful to winning the peace.

What was your point in posting it?

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: I'll Bet You're Sorry Now, Tokyo Rose
From: mack/misophist
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 04:02 PM

What's the point in posting it? It's a piece of history and it's a song. Not all songs are nice.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: I'll Bet You're Sorry Now, Tokyo Rose
From: NH Dave
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 08:00 PM

I checked a few sources to insure I was getting some good info, not just someone's personal opinion. Here's one link with the song, I'll Bet You're Sorry Now sung by someone whose name I did not catch.

Here are links to information about Tokyo Rose, Axis Sally ,Lord Haw Haw , and
Hanoi Hannah , and some more information about Tokyo Rose , all propaganda broadcast names from this and other wars.

Although there seems to be some disagreement about the exact details of how she ended up being used by the Japanese to broadcast psy-ops material to the American Forces in the Pacific, she was tried, convicted, and sentenced to ten years in prison, all of which she served. Later on Gerald Ford granted her a full pardon and offered the nation's apology for the prosecution.

Dave


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: I'll Bet You're Sorry Now, Tokyo Rose
From: GUEST,Guess Who
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 08:31 PM

People who drop A-bombs on cities full of civilians are in no position to act like they own the moral high ground. Gloating over defeated people on the other side after a war is won is a pretty ignoble impulse, if you ask me. The song is embarrassing.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: I'll Bet You're Sorry Now, Tokyo Rose
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 08:47 PM

First of all, Tokyo Rose was an American. Second of all, the song emerged just after the end of WWII, which a great number of people were emotionally involved with.

The song was/is pretty funny, IMO, as were a great number of songs by Mr. Abe Burrows (who, as I recall, was the lyricist for Guys and Dolls, among others.) He also wrote The Girl with the Three Blue Eyes, Heintz the Huntsman and a bunch of others, predating the revered Tom Lehrer by a few years

Lighten up, folks.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: I'll Bet You're Sorry Now, Tokyo Rose
From: Charley Noble
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 09:39 PM

Works for me.

Charley Noble


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: I'll Bet You're Sorry Now, Tokyo Rose
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 12 Sep 05 - 11:37 PM

Please check out the Rush Limbaugh thread I just refreshed in the B.S. section. There you will find a post I put there about Ida Toguri---a.k.a. Tokyo Rose. As I said, I knew her in Chicago around 1959-1960. She was a victim of circumstances who did what she had to do to survive.

Art Thieme


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: I'll Bet You're Sorry Now, Tokyo Rose
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Sep 05 - 08:56 PM

And that is not surprising, Art. If her side had won, she would have been hailed afterward as a heroine of humanity, and there'd probably be some Japanese song praising her.

Marlene Dietrich did USO shows for the Allies in WWII. What would have happened to her reputation had the Germans won the war? And what is the essential difference? You do know that the "good guys" are the ones who win a war, right? After all, they get to gloat when it's over, and they get to write the history books, and imprison and execute some of the losers, and occupy the land, and they get to annihilate the other people's cities and sink all their ships and tear down their statues, don't they? Who else but "good guys" could possibly have the moral right to do such things?

(bit of sarcasm there...)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: I'll Bet You're Sorry Now, Tokyo Rose
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 13 Sep 05 - 09:15 PM

Art (and others)--I commend to you a book by Kurt Vonnegut named "Mother Night"


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: I'll Bet You're Sorry Now, Tokyo Rose
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Sep 05 - 12:12 AM

Rose and Harry were BOTH alumnus of my high school.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: I'll Bet You're Sorry Now, Tokyo Rose
From: Little Hawk
Date: 14 Sep 05 - 12:22 PM

Yeah. And if Harry Truman had lost the war (admittedly an unlikely scenario)...he'd be a famous war criminal! He'd either have been tried and executed by the victors or have died miserably in a bunker somewhere, like Hitler.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: I'll Bet You're Sorry Now, Tokyo Rose
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 14 Sep 05 - 02:44 PM

What might've been isn't what I'm talkin' about. Reality is de man!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: I'll Bet You're Sorry Now, Tokyo Rose
From: NH Dave
Date: 14 Sep 05 - 11:19 PM

Little Hawk, I have to disagree with your thought of what might have happened to her had the Japanese won their part of the war. People more experienced than I have stated that the Japanese, as a society, are some of the most zenophobic people going. He'd married a Japanese woman, lived with them for a number of years, did business with them on a daily basis, and finally returned home because he got tired of being treated as fifth class citizen, lower even that we treat blacks in America. If he boarded a bus or train, every seat would fill up until finally when there were no more seats the locals would start filling up the seats around where he was sitting.

"Tokyo Rose", Ida as a neisi would have been subject to this same hostility, perhaps more so because their war had just been lost, and because her family left Japan and made a home in America.

Dave


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Subject: RE: Lyr Add: I'll Bet You're Sorry Now, Tokyo Rose
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Sep 05 - 10:13 PM

Both Rose and Harry were graduates of Compton High School


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