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Subject: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: GUEST,DivisSweeney Date: 14 Sep 05 - 02:50 PM Just watched the BBC television news tonight and guess what the McCartney sisters were on saying that they feel their lives are in danger ! No onehere in Belfast gives a toss over these tarts. A man known locally as Jeff the Joyrider was beaten up by a jealous husband last night and the sisters said the IRA did it because he was once a friend of their criminal brother. How sad have they become, they want to leave Belfast and start a new life. Now where is the offer from a wealthy businessman to help these poor souls ? Once in the limelight life can become dull when the media stops calling. |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: John MacKenzie Date: 14 Sep 05 - 03:43 PM Once out of the limelight how easy it is to 'punish' people who have the guts to speak out about the bullies and the murderers. Whatever way you look at it a man died and his murder was covered up, whether that man was whiter than white or otherwise, it is not up those who operate outside the law to be judge jury and executioner. Sadly I think they have every reason to be afraid. Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: Wolfgang Date: 14 Sep 05 - 03:59 PM Family of murdered man accuse IRA of attack on best friend (Guardian) That's what Divis is talking about. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: Wolfgang Date: 14 Sep 05 - 04:20 PM Even Sinn Féin uses the word 'intimidation' and opposes it 'no matter where it comes from'. One has to read between the lines what they write (and it made me smile): Sinn Féin was in no way involved Now, nobody has made that claim as far as I see... Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 14 Sep 05 - 04:56 PM "Now, nobody has made that claim as far as I see.." Not really true, Wolfgang. There have been no shortage of accusations directed at the IRA over this, and there are plenty of people whom make a point of saying the IRA and Sinn Fein are one and the same on each and every occasion. And in that story the Sinn Fein spokesperson doesn't actually mention Sinn Fein as such. What he isn quoted as saying is "There was no republican involvement. In fact [this] incident was not political in nature." And if he'd made a "no comment", as Wolfgang seems to suggest would have been wiser, that would just have been reported as "Sinn Fein refuses to deny involvement..." Maybe what he said about how the incident "was not political,in nature" was a lie, maybe it was true. But from where most of us are sitting, there's no easy way to know which. Reading between the lines sometimes helps sort things like that out, but not always. (And of course "reading between the lines" is just what the people Wolfgang sometimes disparages - frequently with good reason - as "conspiracy theorists" do all the time.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: GUEST,Divis Sweeney Date: 14 Sep 05 - 06:10 PM Wolfgang that story in that rag is a crock of shit. Feed to their journalist by the witches no doubt. Jeff the Joyrider was screwing another mans wife. Get your story straight before you post. I live in Belfast and Jeff the Joyrider is well known. He wasnt a close friend at all, yes he was known to the dead man. All hoods there know eachother. Simple question for you seeing you are so upset by the beating. How would you feel if you got up in the morning to find your car stolen from the front door ? This was this mans trade mark. Then burned it after his playtime so the police couldnt get fingerprints. Do you know who long you have to wait till the insurance pays out ? Better still how would you feel if he was visiting your home whilst you were out ? They jumped on the bandwagon over this one. Make no doubts about that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: akenaton Date: 14 Sep 05 - 07:06 PM Divis Sweeney's account seems authentic, and I would certainly give more credence to it than Wolfgang's reading of the tealeaves. |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: CET Date: 14 Sep 05 - 07:23 PM You sound like you were an eyewitness, Divis. You seem to "know" that the story is a crock of shit. No doubt you will be sharing your inside knowledge with the authorities so that the innocent IRA men can be exonerated. You may well be right. It wouldn't be the first time that the press got things wrong, and there are certainly parties who would be glad to pin the blame on the IRA. There are some rather specific details in the story, though, that could do with some explaining. Did the same IRA men who are suspected of Macartney's murder show up at the house or not? Did Jeff the Joyrider have an argument with them or not? Was he beaten with iron bars and sewer rods or not? Was it one jealous husband, or a gang? The truth may be somewhere in the middle. Possibly Jeff the Joyrider had been screwing around with an IRA man's wife (not the most sensible of recreational activities, I would have thought). What I find interesting is your attitude to the Macartney sisters. There is no doubt at all that their brother was murdered by IRA thugs and no reasonable human being gives a rats ass whether he was a petty criminal or not. It was a despicable crime. There is also no doubt that the IRA tried to cover it up. And you expect them to toe the IRA line? God bless them for having more courage than that. What kind of person can spew vulgar abuse against the Macartney sisters, and say nothing about the crime that brought them to prominence? By the way, you can spare me (although I doubt you will) the self-righteous retort that I don't live in Belfast and therefore don't know what I'm talking about. Your posting has certainly taught me something about you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: GUEST,Divis Sweeney Date: 15 Sep 05 - 06:00 AM CET I am sure regarding the post. It wasn't the IRA that beat him, and without any doubt there was no iron bars used or sewer rods. There were fists and only fists. He landed a few punches himself. He hit his head off the wall and the ground. NO WEAPONS OF ANY TYPE WERE USED. No the girl wasn't living or married to an IRA man. The guy takes nothing to do with politics, nor does any member of his family.The sisters really are mouthpieces and always were long before the event, believe me. And I would like to add the murder of their brother was wrong disregardless of his deeds.He wasn't murdered by the IRA. |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: Dave Hanson Date: 15 Sep 05 - 06:53 AM It wasn't you was it ? eric |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: Wolfgang Date: 15 Sep 05 - 07:05 AM Ake, it surprises me that Divis really sounds believable to you. Too much anger in that statement to make a believable witness. Beside that his statement shows he wasn't. He repeats what he has heard by others like the newspaperman. McGrath, you have missed something which I maybe have not made clear enough. My quote from a Sinn Féin spokesperson was not from the article I had linked too, it was directly from the Sinn Féin site. That was what made me smile: There are rumours about IRA men being involved in a beating and Sinn Féin makes a statement that Sinn Féin isn't involved. That is the denial of an accusation noone had made. A follow up article: Pickets at McCartney home after police report It will take a long time, but self-administered justice has to disappear with the weapons. And, yes, this behaviour is at least equally bad and frequent in Unionist dominated communities. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: GUEST,Divis Sweeney Date: 15 Sep 05 - 08:33 AM No eric, I wasnt there but spoke to someone who saw it and trust him. Wolfgang your at your best when taking a cheap shot at the IRA. Why your interest in Ireland if you don't mind me asking ? |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: Wolfgang Date: 15 Sep 05 - 10:43 AM Why your interest in Ireland if you don't mind me asking ? I fail to see any logic in that sentence. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: greg stephens Date: 15 Sep 05 - 10:57 AM DivisSweeney: your source of information about the beating up: you say you weren't there, but you know a man who was, and you trust him.. How about your other statement, that the McCartney women are tarts. Is that from personal knowledge, or also from someone who was there that you can trust? |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: GUEST,Tír Eoghain Date: 15 Sep 05 - 11:05 AM "I fail to see any logic in that sentence" That shouldn't stop you answering, though. I wouldn't mind knowing, myself, actually.... 'Tart' has many meanings, here, greg. I believe Divis lends the right tone to the phrase. Do what Wolfgang does; read between the lines.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: Wolfgang Date: 15 Sep 05 - 11:10 AM I would if I'd know what the question means? Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: GUEST Date: 15 Sep 05 - 11:43 AM He has called them tarts, we ALL know exactly what that means in any language. He has lost any credibility he had. Friend of a friend of a friend sounds same as reporter of a reporter of a reporter |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: Tam the man Date: 15 Sep 05 - 12:20 PM I agree with Wolfgang, are you going to say that I'm talking shit as well, and everyone else that doesn't agree with you. We're are all different you know. If you don't agree with people say then don't reply to them. Goodbye |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: GUEST,Chris B (Born Agaim Scouser) Date: 15 Sep 05 - 01:28 PM The people who killed McCartney were thugs. The people who beat up this friend of the McCartneys were thugs. Divis thinks the McCartney sisters are 'Tarts' for taking exception to both of the above. What does that make him? |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: GUEST Date: 15 Sep 05 - 02:03 PM A c**t? |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: GUEST Date: 15 Sep 05 - 03:05 PM I heard from a very reliable source of my own that although nationalist were responsible for McCartney's murder thay were not acting in any official category and it is utterly stupid to blame the I.R.A. for the deed. If so then the entire Ameriocan army, the entire english army, in fact almost the entire army of any nation acn be held accountable for the deeds os some of their soldiers. In an earlier thread about McCartneys murder I stated that there were 2 fights that night, the first one involved McCartney and a friend who insulted another patrons wife,. A scuffle ensued at the husband had his throat slashed. his thargument continued and it ended in McCartneys death. This could have happened (and does) in any other pub in the world, but many grasped the chance to label it on the I.R.A.. (so what else is new). As far as the sisters missing the spotlight it is possible that after having their names and photos in papers all over the world and after having met President Bush and others that a certain "HIGH" is missing, now that their lives have returned to almost normal. Maybe they do indeed crave some more attention whenever possible. I tend to believe Divis Sweeney in this case, as I am sure the I.R.A. have more important things to consider than the sisters of McCartney. |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: Tam the man Date: 15 Sep 05 - 03:20 PM typical reply 'a c..t' a four letter word so what, I bet that made you feel really big. |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: akenaton Date: 15 Sep 05 - 03:37 PM Lets have more spin....The truth is sooooo boring....... |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: GUEST,Divis Sweeney Date: 15 Sep 05 - 05:41 PM Oh dear someone getting upset ? |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: GUEST,Tír Chonaill Date: 15 Sep 05 - 07:18 PM Where I come from we would call them 'targes' (less of a sexual connotation, and more of a mouthy belligerent one) 'Tart' is used in the same context in the sick Counties. And it sums the girls up well |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: GUEST,Tír Chonaill Date: 15 Sep 05 - 07:19 PM ... and they is BLING!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: GUEST,Tír Chonaill Date: 15 Sep 05 - 07:30 PM Oddly enough, if McCartney had have been killed by the Brits, and the sisters tried to stir up the frenzy that they did, I think some of our worthy interlocutors here would have used the exact epithet Divis has used to describe them. Isn't that right lads? |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 16 Sep 05 - 08:06 AM Er, no actually. |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: John MacKenzie Date: 16 Sep 05 - 08:51 AM Sluts have feelings too! G. |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: GUEST,Divis Sweeney Date: 16 Sep 05 - 08:52 AM Good point. I remember a guy who was shot by soldiers near me. I knew him and his family. A soldier shot at him through his front window as he sat in a chair. The soldier it was said later was suffering depression and regretted the incident. His family made a protest and outside the combined police and army barracks. They were called mouthpieces, scum and fishwives by every patrol that entered the station. The newspapers said that the British had given an explaination and the matter was closed. So hope this brings a little light to the subject. As to these sisters, they were pumped by the media simply because the said the PIRA killed their brother. And there are a few on this site that also like to take a swipe at the PIRA thats why they backed the sisters. You talk about matters you know nothing about and give what you feel to be a valued account because the Daily Telegraph said that it's true. Either read up or shut up and go post to some subject you know something about. As to that German clown, it he can't understand a simple question in English I wouldn't waste time asking it again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: Dave Hanson Date: 16 Sep 05 - 09:32 AM I see the IRA/Sinn Fein apologists are out again, so sad. eric |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 16 Sep 05 - 09:47 AM Sweeney, Re your story. I don't undersand why there was no prosecution. Soldiers were prosecuted for less. What was the verdict at the inquest? Re McArtney, we had lengthy discussions some months ago. Briefly, my standpoint was that the pub brawl death was bad but not worthy of discussion. What was worrying was that a forensic clean up was carried out by a competent team( IRA?) and there were credible allegations ofSinn Fein candidates and senior officers intimidating witnesses. No one has used this forum to attack anyone (including recently Irquis) who have made allegations against soldiers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: John MacKenzie Date: 16 Sep 05 - 09:59 AM I would remind you that you started this thread, and if you didn't want comments from people who don't agree with what you post, why post it on a public forum? Giok |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: GUEST,Divis Sweeney Date: 16 Sep 05 - 01:17 PM I see the IRA/Sinn Fein apologists are out again, so sad. When have I said I was an apologist ? Don't label. |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 16 Sep 05 - 08:03 PM "They were called mouthpieces, scum and fishwives by every patrol that entered the station." And that's the right way to treat the families of murdered civilians? |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: Tiocfaidh Date: 17 Sep 05 - 12:41 AM "Soldiers were prosecuted for less." What part of the Widgery Report do you not understand, Keith. You are either criminally naive, or intentionally provocative. Your posts are not worth the paper they're written on. I hope you realise that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: Tiocfaidh Date: 17 Sep 05 - 12:45 AM Soldiers tend to get prosecuted for less, Keith. They never get prosecuted for more. That will change, hopefully |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: GUEST,Divis Sweeney Date: 17 Sep 05 - 01:29 AM Without doubt there is more anti Irish feeling on this site than any other I have ever come across on the net. You lot really can't make it clearer what you feel. I forwarded some of your posts to friends living overseas to read. They could not believe the postings of the pro British element among you. Every fact that an Irishman or woman wishes to highlight, you are straight in at their throat. Christ the media tries to play down the numbers of Combat 18 and the National Front in Britain. Well they are alive and kicking on this site. The Provisional Irish Republican Army fought to unite Ireland. A country the British came and stole, then devided. And you lot seem to think Britain was right and the Irish people should roll over and accept it.Your media took the sisters of a murdered man and used them to a point that they are now hated within their own community, then dumped them. The PIRA did not kill their brother. The actions of individuals who were Republicans did. As one overseas observer told he, It must be hell to be Black or Irish living in that hate filled country called Britain. He doesn't know the half of it. Shame upon yourselves should be your next thread or post. |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: Tiocfaidh Date: 17 Sep 05 - 01:37 AM Croppy lie down. Isn't that right, lads? |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: Dave Hanson Date: 17 Sep 05 - 01:46 AM Divis, why can't you get it through your head that Eire don't want Ulster back and the majority of people living in the north wish to stay part of the UK. Even if everyone wants a United Ireland, [ and I think that would be the ideal answer ] it was never any excuse for the atrocities inflicted on innocent people, and I don't accept all that crap about the casualties of war, the theory of terrorism is to spread terror. If the Provisional IRA fought such a noble fight, why didn't they put on uniforms and stand up and be counted, like men. eric |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: GUEST,Divis Sweeney Date: 17 Sep 05 - 01:48 AM You have about summed it up Tiocfaidh. |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: Tiocfaidh Date: 17 Sep 05 - 02:27 AM "... why can't you get it through your head that Eire don't want Ulster back" I wonder what put that idea in your head, eric? "If the Provisional IRA fought such a noble fight, why didn't they put on uniforms and stand up and be counted, like men" Classic case of head up the hole syndrome, I'm afraid eric. Since when did that bother the SAS, MI5, and MI6? Since when did that bother your precious guardians of Democracy, eric? When you terrorise a population like your shower did in my country; did you read that, eric: MY FUCKING COUNTRY, you will find that the people will fight with pitchforks if necessary. No nobler battle there is, eric the ultra blue You should only hope that you should show such fortitude in the face of adversity. We are a stronger people than you. You are now in a position to never forget that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: Tiocfaidh Date: 17 Sep 05 - 02:30 AM Hope you are having a nice Saturday morning, eric.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: Tiocfaidh Date: 17 Sep 05 - 02:35 AM Welcome Divis |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: Tiocfaidh Date: 17 Sep 05 - 02:39 AM I'll tell you this, however, eric. You might as well be pulling your plonker, as trying to undo what has been done. All you can do is complain about how things are not to your imperialistic tastes. Tough bloody shit, mate. Don't ever forget that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: GUEST,Divis Sweeney Date: 17 Sep 05 - 03:00 AM I wouldn't even bother answering those clowns Tiocfaidh. Its like talking to the Marx brothers. Their next line will be THEY MURDERED CHILDREN. Christ the Irish don't have their history for that one. They would be better dropping that one with their record of blanket bombing German cities known to house nothing more than women and children. I'm sure the new brit Wolfgang has forgot that one.There is nothing worst than an ass crawler in my book.There were numberous kids shot at their front doors by British soldiers in the North of Ireland. And then there is their history of murdering kids in recent times and throwing them in bushes. The have the worst record in Europe for child murders. So they really don't want to go there do they ? I had a friend murdered by british soldiers who crossed the border in plain clothes, why did he remove this uniform ? When the IRA tracted the sas man down and killed him they were murdering bastards ? People throughout the world know the role Britain played in dirty deeds and mass murder. We have a right to highlight it at every turn, and we will. Why don't they shut up about the people they detest and maybe we will do the same. No doubt someone will come back at this and mouth on about murdering children in England. Christ I will be ready for each and every one of you and expect every right thinking Irish man and woman to do the same. They just don't know when to shut up. |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: Dave Hanson Date: 17 Sep 05 - 03:41 AM WOW, I really pissed on your bonfire Tiocfaidh. eric |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: Dave Hanson Date: 17 Sep 05 - 03:42 AM I really can't imagine why supporters of terrorism visit a site like this. eric |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: GUEST Date: 17 Sep 05 - 04:06 AM Stamping your feet up and down doesn't work. For thirty years they told us they would fight until Ireland unites. After being shunned by US, Eire and every other decent person they had to firmly plant their tails between their legs. Now all they have is a chat forum for the hissy fits. Let them have it, much safer all around. They lost face and are trying desperately to hold onto some credibility. These last few posts are reeking of desperation.Their comparison of themselves to SAS, MI5 and MI6 tells us what they think they were. It's hard to look back on a lifetime of lobbing petrol bombs from behind walls with any sense of pride I expect. |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: GUEST,Tír Chonaill Date: 17 Sep 05 - 04:28 AM Tiocfaidh metaphorically butt-fucked you, eric. In glowing terms, I might add. (Talk about perception....) You have difficulty in imagining most things, eric |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: GUEST,Divis Sweeney Date: 17 Sep 05 - 04:50 AM Oh dear dear how very English of you old boy. Who has the largest Nationalist vote in the North ? YES the people your media cut the sound of their broadcasts and called them scum. Are Sinn Fein one of the largest fund raising parties in America YES. Has the British government been meeting all our demands within the last seven years ? You can bet your ass on it. Ask a good old Ulster Scot living here. Thats the reason they now say for their stamping of their feet, since last Saturday. Thanks gentlemen it's going nicely for us over here. Oh before I forget, please keep the funding coming in. Do you know your government spends more per head in the North of Ireland than anyway else in the U.K. ? Go on push your M.P. to get rid. It would be cheaper ! |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: akenaton Date: 17 Sep 05 - 06:06 AM Well, I'm a Scot and Im with the "lads" on this one. Northern Irish history is a stinking mess and an indelible stain on the rest of us. We supported successive governments who implimented fascist policies on the Irish poeple, because we we fooled by the use of sectarianism, by the Unionists and by our own govt. Without the armed struggle, the hunger strikers and the magnificent protest from nationalist people I am certain the Catholic population would still be second class citizens in their own country. The war in Ireland may be all over bar the shouting, but we in Scotland have still to tackle the hidden disease of sectarianism which is spreading daily...Ake |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: Tam the man Date: 17 Sep 05 - 06:34 AM THE SASH MY FATHER WORE Sure l'm an Ulster Orangeman, from Erin's isle I came, To see my British brethren all of honour and of fame, And to tell them of my forefathers who fought in days of yore, That I might have the right to wear, the sash my father wore! cho: It is old but it is beautiful, and its colors they are fine It was worn at Derry, Aughrim, Enniskillen and the Boyne. My father wore it as a youth in bygone days of yore And on the Twelfth I love to wear the sash my father wore For those brave men who crossed the Boyne have not fought or died in vain Our Unity, Religion, Laws, and Freedom to maintain, If the call should come we'll follow the drum, and cross that river once more That tomorrow's Ulsterman may wear the sash my father wore! And when some day, across the sea to Antrim's shore you come, We'll welcome you in royal style, to the sound of flute and drum And Ulster's hills shall echo still, from Rathlin to Dromore As we sing again the loyal strain of the sash my father wore! A great song I tihnk |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: Tam the man Date: 17 Sep 05 - 06:38 AM Only kidding people after all it's just a song and what war was this? I don't remember the British Government sending in the navy or the airfoce and attacking Northern Ireland, I can't remember that Westminster declairing war on Northern Ireland so what War? Ach well the 'war' is over? |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: GUEST,Divis Sweeney Date: 17 Sep 05 - 07:14 AM akenaton and Tam. I thank you for your logic and understanding. You are the guys that make this site worth visiting. |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: Tam the man Date: 17 Sep 05 - 07:23 AM so if we don't support the Terrorist because that's what they are and you lot can't face the truth then we are wrong and the IRA and their supporters on this thread are right. |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: Tam the man Date: 17 Sep 05 - 07:24 AM (ONLY KIDDING) |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: Tam the man Date: 17 Sep 05 - 07:29 AM Wise monkeys |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: GUEST,Divis Sweeney Date: 17 Sep 05 - 10:02 AM Point taken I fully understand your opinon and value it Tam. If you were born here you'd be a good one ! I like your part of the country. |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: akenaton Date: 17 Sep 05 - 11:30 AM I remember the days when I was a young man when the people of Scotland, England and Wales were banned by our Govt from even hearing the Nationalist argument. Blair is today attempting to to attack free speech and human rights under cover of the "war on terror". I believe that in not so many decades, the West will be consumed by a civil war as the two tiers of Western society continue to diverge. The only way to avoid this war is to ensure that we retain free speech and freedom to protest. "He who will not reason is a BIGOT, He who cannot is a fool and he who dares not is a SLAVE" William Drummond 1585---1649..............Ake |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: GUEST,Divis Sweeney Date: 17 Sep 05 - 01:02 PM akenaton Such great words, very meaningful and true. Well said. |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: GUEST Date: 17 Sep 05 - 06:15 PM You guys scare the crap out of me! I think that I am begining to understand why some conflicts do not end!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: GUEST,Divis Sweeney Date: 17 Sep 05 - 06:30 PM Dear Guest It's 800 years old, but we are working on it. Slowly getting there. It ws a big help when the PIRA stated last July that their armed conflict was over. But some of these guys here don't want to hear that. They want to go on and on about actions that the IRA were involved in over 30 years ago. Now you may ask was it only the PIRA ? If you listen to us we will say there was others involved such as the British Army and the British Army backed Loyalist para militaries. But they will tell you no, the PIRA came to England and planned the murders of children. You decide my friend. Wish to add PIRA accepted they were involved in actions that went wrong and took the rap. They used the word sorry, which I accept is no comfort to the family of a lost loved one. But at least we admitted our mistakes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: GUEST Date: 17 Sep 05 - 06:44 PM But at least we admitted our mistakes. It didn't stop you repeating them though. |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: GUEST,Divis Sweeney Date: 17 Sep 05 - 07:37 PM And you. Take your guns home please. Ours are being inspected within dumps starting Monday. |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 18 Sep 05 - 03:17 AM The Curator has told us that the guns and soldiers are indeed leaving. With your long memory of wrongs done to your people over the centuries, you should not be surprised that recent atrocities here still sting. |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: akenaton Date: 18 Sep 05 - 05:12 AM One thing from this thread sticks in my mind. Tiocfaidh says "We are a stronger people than you"...and he is right. The other nations which make up the UK have been weakened by the Union, our national identity, our language, our spirit, eroded by the will of the most powerful. I dont think the Scots or the Welsh of today would have the will to stand up to oppression as the Irish have done. But the downward spiral never stops once set in motion, and even England has descended into apathy. The "United Kingdom" now lives in fear of itself. A collection of midgets who would "fight for their chains rather than be free".....Ake |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: Dave Hanson Date: 18 Sep 05 - 05:52 AM I can imagine where you come from Tir Chonaill you gave it away with that typical American expression ' butt fucked ' so what is your interest in it, as a foreigner. eric |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: GUEST,Divis Sweeney Date: 18 Sep 05 - 07:15 AM Maybe the same as Wolfgangs ! |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: Grab Date: 18 Sep 05 - 05:42 PM Divis, I don't know where you get the idea that people said the IRA were responsible for McCartney's murder. That's bogus. What we *can* say with 100% accuracy (as far as I know) is that:- a) The killer was a member of the IRA. b) Members of the IRA visited the pub after the killing (but before the police arrived) and very carefully removed every scrap of evidence. c) Members of the IRA were at the pub and were witnesses. None of them have given any assistance to the police to allow the killer to be brought to justice. d) These witnesses have clearly passed the information onto the PIRA leadership, since PIRA stated that they knew who the killer was. e) PIRA offered to shoot the killer as revenge, but refused to pass any information onto the police to allow the killer to be brought to justice through the legal system. Please let me know if any of those points are incorrect. FYI, all I have ever seen reported in the media was that PIRA covered up to prevent the killer being brought to justice. That's called "accessory to murder", and means that you're as responsible for the death as the murderer is. And then tell me why the McCartney sisters, and the media, think PIRA are a bunch of bastards who can't think of any solution except killing people, and will go to any lengths to avoid legitimate solutions to the problem. Their reaction to the McCartney killing certainly looks that way, doesn't it? Credit to them, they've put the gun away now. But I guess it takes time for people to move on, and the rest of the world (in particular Eire) has moved on without them. Graham. |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: GUEST,Divis Sweeney Date: 19 Sep 05 - 02:27 AM What we *can* say with 100% accuracy (as far as I know) |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 19 Sep 05 - 02:57 AM Most of Grab's "facts" are backed by IRA statements. Which do you not accept? |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: GUEST,Divis Sweeney Date: 19 Sep 05 - 03:45 AM Await the trail of those found guilty. |
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Subject: RE: BS: McCartney sisters miss the limelight From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 19 Sep 05 - 03:59 AM The full story will not emerge from any trial unless IRA encourage witnesses to come forward. What will be their attitude to that now? |
