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BS: where is the Fall Foliage?

ChanteyLass 18 Oct 18 - 11:11 PM
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Bat Goddess 13 Oct 18 - 06:30 PM
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Nigel Parsons 11 Oct 18 - 06:42 PM
Joe Offer 11 Oct 18 - 05:24 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: where is the Fall Foliage?
From: ChanteyLass
Date: 18 Oct 18 - 11:11 PM

Here in RI, I'm still waiting. Thanks for the NH update, Linn. I've been away from this site for a while. I hope things have brightened since you posted.
Nigel Parsons, my ex recently posted an aerial pic of the Kancamagus Highway. I'm glad you got to visit this area when it was dressed in all its glory!


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Subject: RE: BS: where is the Fall Foliage?
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Oct 18 - 06:14 PM

its in Maine


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Subject: RE: BS: where is the Fall Foliage?
From: keberoxu
Date: 16 Oct 18 - 05:13 PM

falling, falling, falling ...


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Subject: RE: BS: where is the Fall Foliage?
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 13 Oct 18 - 06:30 PM

ChanteyLass, we still have only fair to middlin' color (if that). I'm a half hour inland from Portsmouth, NH (and uphill). My house is towards the front of a 33 acre piece of woods. I'm surrounded by trees. Halfway down the hill (about a half mile) the houses peter out and it's just trees (except for the slash of the power lines).

Up until earlier this week, most of my trees were still green. The American Basswood had just started dropping its yellow leaves. It's usually the earliest to shed its leaves. Right now most of the trees are gold (with some still green) but maple leaves are starting to seriously litter my driveway and deck. Not a speck of red -- they're all yellow with brown spots and shrivel quickly into brown.

The only color in the neighborhood are the ancient maples in my up the hill neighbor's yard -- and that's more of a dusty maroon red, rather than their usual bright red, orange and touch of gold. Even the color in the marshy area up around the corner (mile and a half from me) is "dusty"...dull reddish and orange-ish.

Not a good year for color. Last year wasn't either, but it was better than this year. And this year I've lost two hemlocks to drought stress. New Hampshire is losing a lot of conifers to drought stress because of their shallow root systems. What I've been noticing is if there's a stand of three conifers, one may be doing just fine, but the other two are losing needles and looking bedraggled, if not actually dead.

There are some bright spots of color on my drive to Portsmouth (or north to Tilton), but not the kind of color leaf peepers have traditionally traveled here to see.

We've been in a drought for over three years. We get rain, but it's not long soaking rains. This summer it's either been a torrential downpour and then over, or a teaser rain just wet enough to mess up outdoor plans without actually helping the garden much.

It's certainly been HUMID, though! Alas, that doesn't do the trees much good. My Trex deck is slimy, the handrails on the steps haven't been dry since June, and my white metal screen door is green.

Nigel, I'm glad you were able to visit areas where there WAS good color. (It's there, but not in the profusion of years past.) I'm about an hour and twenty minutes north of Boston and about the same distance south of the west end of the Kancamagus.

Linn


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Subject: RE: BS: where is the Fall Foliage?
From: keberoxu
Date: 13 Oct 18 - 02:59 PM

The leaves are leaving the trees for the ground, at last.


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Subject: RE: BS: where is the Fall Foliage?
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 11 Oct 18 - 06:42 PM

Looked pretty good from the Kankamagus Highway this last week.
I'm just back from a road trip (by plane & coach): UK => Dublin => Boston (Mass.). Then Boston 2 days (Including guided tours of Boston, visits to Harvard & to Cape Cod)
Then on: => Salem, Gloucester, Rockport => Lake Winnipesaukee, The Kankamagus Highway,=> North Conway, Vermont, Stowe => Montreal (two nights)including a (long) day trip to Quebec. Then leaving Montreal for Ottawa & Toronto (2 nights) including a visit to Niagara (Canadian side) before flying back to UK.
A great holiday, and the 'fall colours' were amazing.


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Subject: RE: BS: where is the Fall Foliage?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 11 Oct 18 - 05:24 PM

Most of our trees in the Sierra Foothills are conifers, so we don't have dramatic fall color. Still, it's a very pretty time of year. We've had a bit of rain to clear the air and settle the dust, and many of the plants on the ground are turning various shades of brown. Just now, we drove from our home at 2300 feet to the mining town of Dutch Flat at 3100 feet, and it was a lovely drive through very rugged territory.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: where is the Fall Foliage?
From: Bill D
Date: 11 Oct 18 - 04:44 PM

Leaves here (suburb of DC) are going from green to brown and then onto my roof & yard. There are a couple of Maple trees that haven't decided yet, but the temp. is supposed to drop 20°F this weekend. Fall is about here however it shows itself.


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Subject: RE: BS: where is the Fall Foliage?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Oct 18 - 01:18 PM

I took a houseguest on a drive around the county yesterday here in North Texas. We don't get vivid colors like the northeast, but the trees are starting to turn, offering some pleasant hues along the roadside. When there are lots of different types of green in view it is quite pretty.


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Subject: RE: BS: where is the Fall Foliage?
From: keberoxu
Date: 08 Oct 18 - 03:28 PM

The limited leaf color this autumn continues to progress.
The red and pink and oranges of the maples, and of various
ornamental trees and creeping vines,
were the first to show up, starting in September.

It is only this week that I am seeing the golden yellow
that always makes autumn autumn to me.
The yellow / golden leaves were slow to get started.

We still have a lot of green on the trees.
A few trees are beginning to brown out.

Not much just yet in the way of falling leaves, but that will change.
For one thing there has been rather little wind.
A brisk autumn wind would alter the picture.


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Subject: RE: BS: where is the Fall Foliage?
From: keberoxu
Date: 05 Oct 18 - 04:24 PM

Tamson/Ranger1 's earlier post is on the money.
I reserved judgment to watch what happened, and the post is right.

Only, there's detail to it.
It's true that the trees that tend to be gentle and quiet
about turning color, are defaulting to no color, mostly.

The maples, on the other hand, have no competition
and their flaming colors stand out like sore thumbs these days.


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Subject: RE: BS: where is the Fall Foliage?
From: ChanteyLass
Date: 02 Oct 18 - 04:48 PM

Stilly, I love that calendar! I now understand why I didn't see much color in Portsmouth, New Hampshire, over the weekend. It looks like I'll see a bit more in western Massachusetts this coming weekend. Best of all, I'll be home when it peaks in Rhode Island.


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Subject: RE: BS: where is the Fall Foliage?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 02 Oct 18 - 10:51 AM

You have to click on the calendar with today's date to see how the leaves have progressed. And this is only New England.


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Subject: RE: BS: where is the Fall Foliage?
From: Donuel
Date: 01 Oct 18 - 09:38 PM

From drought the leaves fall early with less color. In really wet conditions the trees will wait longer with more color and wide growth season rings.


There is less than 1% color in DC


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Subject: RE: BS: where is the Fall Foliage?
From: keberoxu
Date: 29 Sep 18 - 12:57 PM

The maples are turning on the colors. [colours]


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Subject: RE: BS: where is the Fall Foliage?
From: Donuel
Date: 29 Sep 18 - 09:53 AM

In London you can see splendid colour by taking the treetop walk at Kew Gardens. If you wait till Bonfire night you might see them at their peak.


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Subject: RE: BS: where is the Fall Foliage?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Sep 18 - 10:05 AM

We're in such a depressing cycle of heavy rain and winds that our leaves don't stand a chance, they'll simply be knocked out of the trees and drift up along the curb. I'm in an area where several neighbors big trees drop leaves that land in my yard (I have pines out front). I rake most of them up onto the turf and mulch them in, there's nothing to drive by to enjoy.


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Subject: RE: BS: where is the Fall Foliage?
From: ChanteyLass
Date: 25 Sep 18 - 08:29 PM

I'll be driving to the Portsmouth Maritime Folk Festival in New Hampshire this weekend and to the Berkshires in western Massachusetts next weekend. Neither trip was planned because of the fall foliage, but I'm hoping to see some color along the way.


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Subject: RE: BS: where is the Fall Foliage?
From: Donuel
Date: 25 Sep 18 - 07:01 PM

Rap, blood and diamonds are not my thing. Stained bandages YUCK


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Subject: RE: BS: where is the Fall Foliage?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Sep 18 - 06:48 PM

I've driven through the hardwood forests in Arkanasas, in Kentucky, in Pennsylvania various years, and up in the Catskills and out on Long Island other years and been there in time for wonderful fall color. Good thing they're spread out so not everyone and his brother ends up on the National Park roadways.


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Subject: RE: BS: where is the Fall Foliage?
From: keberoxu
Date: 25 Sep 18 - 06:35 PM

What with all the rain of the last weeks,
seems the Northeast is making up for lost time.
Things are intensely green hereabouts.


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Subject: RE: BS: where is the Fall Foliage?
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Sep 18 - 04:25 PM

An FDR era road called Skyline drive is the place us leaf peepers go.
There are no houses there.


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Subject: RE: BS: where is the Fall Foliage?
From: Charmion
Date: 23 Sep 18 - 10:58 AM

The fall foliage is on the trees, except for the bits of it that need sweeping off our deck.

Save a couple of years in Germany, I have lived my whole life in areas so noted for fall colour that in October the roads are cluttered with tour buses loaded with leaf-peepers. I enjoy the colours on a sunny day like today, but sooner or later the wind and rain bring the leaves down in slimy heaps on the deck and the driveway.

Like they say, sic transit gloria mundi, which can be translated: Today's tourist attraction, tomorrow's housekeeping problem.

Sigh.


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Subject: RE: BS: where is the Fall Foliage?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Sep 18 - 09:51 AM

The leaves are beginning to fall without making much color change here, but then North Texas isn't noted for it's colorful autumn weather.

The most amazing autumn color I saw on a road trip, Joe, was when I drove from Texas to Washington, taking various secondary state highways past national parks. By the time I got to Colorado's Berthoud Pass (whew!) via Route 40 and heading through Utah to Dinosaur and other parks, I was seeing glorious high plateau stands of birch or aspen with white trunks and vivid yellow along the edges of rivers or lakes. I cut over to 395 in Northern California and 139 to 39 to stay on the high plains to the east of Lassen and Shasta and the incredible beauty of those high elevation lakes and forests. I'm pretty sure that was the trip where I also went up through Central Oregon, east of the Cascades, and at Goldendale, Washington, headed up over Blewett Pass that was simply perfect, no other traffic, glorious sunny day, black road with bright yellow lines and trees that were just as yellow as the stripe, but living things stirring in the light breeze in all their glory. I finally joined up with I-90 and headed over Snoqualmie into Seattle. I must have made this drive in about 1983, so some things will have changed along the route, but the terrain, the season, the routes are all still there. Think about a tour like that, Joe.

I didn't take any photos, I wanted to just look at it all and remember the beauty. Sometimes when you mediate through a lens the memories aren't as clear because you're unintentionally letting the film do your remembering.

Another perk of visiting Dinosaur that time of year - it was empty. And I drove up to a picnic area (I can't find it on the map but the drive off of the highway of a mile or so took me to a perch perhaps 1000 feet above the valley) where there was no sound. Nothing. No wind, no birds, no insects, no other people. It was like a roar in my ears, my brain trying to hear something up there. My own breathing, my footsteps, sounds as I prepared lunch. As I continued the drive it was hunting season so I was careful as I drove into the Heber City area and through that canyon, there were lots of trucks and hunters in orange vests. I had my fingers crossed that none of them would be shooting near or across the highway.

Perhaps next time I head up to Washington I'll try to reproduce that route.


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Subject: RE: BS: where is the Fall Foliage?
From: ranger1
Date: 22 Sep 18 - 08:30 AM

Joe, it's not going to be a superb foliage year, so don't feel bad. Drought conditions in the Northeast for most of the spring and summer are going to cause things to be fairly drab here. We're getting a lot of leaf drop before it changes color, or the leaves are going straight to brown. We'll see some color, but nothing like we would have if we'd had decent rainfall.


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Subject: RE: BS: where is the Fall Foliage?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 Sep 18 - 07:41 PM

Dang. I was planning to make a drive across the U.S. to see the foliage this year, but I ended up with obligations that made me cancel the trip.

We do have some fall color here in California, but not like "Back East." The aspens in the eastern Sierra are a spectacular yellow, and the cities have some ornamental trees that turn pretty colors. My Japanese maples will be very nice.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: where is the Fall Foliage?
From: JennieG
Date: 20 Sep 18 - 06:28 PM

In Ontario, Canada - I am hoping! We'll be there in less than a fortnight.


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Subject: RE: BS: where is the Fall Foliage?
From: Iains
Date: 20 Sep 18 - 01:33 PM

Most of the fall foliage near me has gone a good few miles down the road after the recent gales. Some species of tree started changing colour back in August, presumably from heat and drought stress.


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Subject: RE: BS: where is the Fall Foliage?
From: keberoxu
Date: 20 Sep 18 - 12:45 PM

Today for the first time
I noticed that one maple tree
is furtively sporting some of those intense dark red leaves
in the midst of a full green foliage.

The summer stayed so hot for so long, and humid as well,
that signs of autumn are doubly welcome here.

The nights are now cooling down, so that will help bring in
the autumn colors on the trees.


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Subject: RE: BS: where is the Fall Foliage?
From: Senoufou
Date: 06 Oct 16 - 05:56 PM

Hahaha! Yes, we're Norfolk n' good Steve!


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Subject: RE: BS: where is the Fall Foliage?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Oct 16 - 04:33 PM

Norfolk 'n' good, eh? 😉


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Subject: RE: BS: where is the Fall Foliage?
From: Senoufou
Date: 06 Oct 16 - 02:42 PM

Just looked it up. Yes, he lives in Dickleburgh, South Norfolk.

(All the best people live here you know)


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Subject: RE: BS: where is the Fall Foliage?
From: Senoufou
Date: 06 Oct 16 - 02:38 PM

Oh I just love Bob Flowerdew Steve. He used to be on Gardeners' Question Time on Radio 4 (He may still be) Very organic in his methods.
He also has a rather nice long plait.
Doesn't he live in Norfolk somewhere? (I ought to know, as I live there myself!)


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Subject: RE: BS: where is the Fall Foliage?
From: leeneia
Date: 06 Oct 16 - 01:57 PM

Last year the DH and I took a foliage cruise on the Hudson. The colors were wonderful. The cruise took place at the end of October, not the beginning.

When I was a kid, I learned that warm days and cool nights produce the best colors.


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Subject: RE: BS: where is the Fall Foliage?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Oct 16 - 07:37 PM

I never let dead leaves lie. I rake them up ad stack them, though not on their own which would mean waiting at least two years for usable leaf mould. I stack the leaves with the abundant grass clippings that my large garden yields. That way, I get a really good compost in six months. Bob Flowerdew calls it accelerated leaf mould. I have access to abundant leaves and so much lawn clipping that it's my chief source of organic matter. Can't afford to be lazy in autumn - gotta get out there and rake up them leaves!


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Subject: RE: BS: where is the Fall Foliage?
From: keberoxu
Date: 05 Oct 16 - 06:35 PM

Today there was a metal rake for dead leaves, lying smack dab in the middle of my lane on the highway. Thankfully my car was able to pass over the rake with the tires on either side of the tines...


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Subject: RE: BS: where is the Fall Foliage?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Oct 16 - 11:08 AM

I meant daylength, not daylight, in my first line. Damn that autocorrect rubbish.


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Subject: RE: BS: where is the Fall Foliage?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Oct 16 - 11:07 AM

Whilst gnu is correct in linking daylight to leaf-fall, according to species there is considerable environmental input when it comes to colour. Water availability, or lack of it, in summer and low autumn temperatures can have an impact on colour. A tree sheds leaves in autumn because they would be a liability in winter - too little light to help them to do their job, too much exposure to damage caused by severe weather, worsened physiological drought caused by water loss from leaves in hard frosts, fully-laden trees more susceptible to being blown down, etc. Trees that keep their leaves in winter have strategies such as waxy leaf cuticles, thick epidermises, sunken stomata and reduced individual leaf area (though more actual leaves, as in conifers). Their branches may be so disposed as to shed snow more easily. Obviously, not having to replace all your leaves at once in spring saves energy. Evergreen trees do lose leaves but in a constant trickle. Leaf-fall is also the way trees get rid of some waste products such as tannins and calcium oxalate. Leaf-fall is a tree's way of going to the toilet. They get away with doing it in public in a way that neither you nor I ever could.


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Subject: RE: BS: where is the Fall Foliage?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Oct 16 - 10:52 AM

A good berry crop is simply a sign that the trees have had a good spring and summer with excellent pollination success. Nothing else!


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Subject: RE: BS: where is the Fall Foliage?
From: Charmion
Date: 05 Oct 16 - 10:36 AM

No frost here, yet -- most unusual. Normally, the first frost comes on the heels of the Equinox. Today's forecast high is 24 Celsius -- unheard-of.

Thanks for the datum on what triggers the change of colour, gnu. Now, why does my neighbour's ornamental cherry start turning red in August? (My money's on air pollution; the poor thing is downwind of three bus stops serving three routes.)


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Subject: RE: BS: where is the Fall Foliage?
From: gnu
Date: 04 Oct 16 - 04:36 PM

Leaves turn colour based on the amount of daylight per day but warm temperatures can delay the turn for about a week, tops. Please note that Mother Nature has her own calendar and the full moon is shortly after midnight on the 16th. I don't know if she is a member of Mudcat or not. If so, PM her and ask.


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Subject: RE: BS: where is the Fall Foliage?
From: Senoufou
Date: 04 Oct 16 - 12:31 PM

We have noticed a good crop of berries here too Steve. Do you think it means we shall have a hard winter after the long, hot summer?
(I've just ordered some more heating oil, just in case!)


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Subject: RE: BS: where is the Fall Foliage?
From: bbc
Date: 04 Oct 16 - 11:10 AM

In the U.S.--starting in Connecticut, Massachusetts, & New York. Lovely!

Barbara


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Subject: RE: BS: where is the Fall Foliage?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 04 Oct 16 - 10:43 AM

A good frost is paramount when it comes to autumn colour. One of the few downsides of living in Cornwall is that we rarely get frost in autumn. By the time we get a good chill we've had a gale or two and most of the leaves have gone (a lot of 'em into my leafmould heap). Good crops of berries this year to keep the birds going. My flower garden is still looking pretty good.


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Subject: RE: BS: where is the Fall Foliage?
From: Stu
Date: 04 Oct 16 - 10:30 AM

Here in the lea of the Peak District the colours are starting nicely.


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Subject: RE: BS: where is the Fall Foliage?
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Oct 16 - 07:39 PM

0 in DC

This year being the hottest global average temp in written history,
Kendal was right ahead of time.


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Subject: RE: BS: where is the Fall Foliage?
From: Senoufou
Date: 03 Oct 16 - 05:18 PM

Far too warm here in Eastern England for any autumn foliage yet.


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Subject: RE: BS: where is the Fall Foliage?
From: keberoxu
Date: 03 Oct 16 - 05:03 PM

We are getting it going around here, in any case. The maples are working the whole spectrum: some die-hard maple leaves remain green while others go yellow or red. Those vine leaves are flaming as well.


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Subject: RE: BS: where is the Fall Foliage?
From: Janie
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 10:14 AM

On the way into Camp Ramblewood, there is a house that always has an incredible bank of mixed chrysanthemums right along a stone wall on the road. I always look for it. I am not a big mum fan, but this is truly lovely. Keep your eyes peeled if you ae going to the Getaway!

Janie


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Subject: RE: BS: where is the Fall Foliage?
From: jaze
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 09:30 AM

Oh Liz, that sounds so poetic. Can I come for the ride?


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