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BS: Obit: The Republican Party

Bobert 12 Oct 05 - 08:07 PM
kendall 12 Oct 05 - 08:14 PM
Janie 12 Oct 05 - 08:16 PM
Don Firth 12 Oct 05 - 08:18 PM
Bill D 12 Oct 05 - 09:51 PM
Peace 12 Oct 05 - 09:59 PM
Stilly River Sage 12 Oct 05 - 09:59 PM
Peace 12 Oct 05 - 10:01 PM
Bobert 12 Oct 05 - 10:08 PM
michaelr 12 Oct 05 - 10:28 PM
Peace 12 Oct 05 - 10:30 PM
GUEST 12 Oct 05 - 10:35 PM
Peace 12 Oct 05 - 10:39 PM
Bobert 12 Oct 05 - 10:54 PM
yrlancslad 13 Oct 05 - 01:31 AM
Joe Offer 13 Oct 05 - 04:06 AM
akenaton 13 Oct 05 - 04:55 AM
kendall 13 Oct 05 - 07:13 AM
Susu's Hubby 13 Oct 05 - 09:14 AM
Stilly River Sage 13 Oct 05 - 10:57 AM
WFDU - Ron Olesko 13 Oct 05 - 11:06 AM
Amos 13 Oct 05 - 11:17 AM
Rapparee 13 Oct 05 - 11:28 AM
Bobert 13 Oct 05 - 06:52 PM
Ron Davies 13 Oct 05 - 06:58 PM
Don Firth 13 Oct 05 - 07:44 PM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 13 Oct 05 - 07:55 PM
GUEST,Peter Woodruff alias wdyat12 13 Oct 05 - 08:27 PM
michaelr 13 Oct 05 - 09:27 PM
Bobert 13 Oct 05 - 09:40 PM
Rapparee 14 Oct 05 - 09:12 AM
Peace 14 Oct 05 - 10:11 AM
DougR 14 Oct 05 - 03:56 PM
WFDU - Ron Olesko 14 Oct 05 - 04:11 PM
Jerry Rasmussen 14 Oct 05 - 05:14 PM
tarheel 14 Oct 05 - 07:24 PM
Rapparee 15 Oct 05 - 10:10 AM
DougR 15 Oct 05 - 02:54 PM
Peace 15 Oct 05 - 03:11 PM
akenaton 15 Oct 05 - 05:12 PM
Jerry Rasmussen 15 Oct 05 - 08:52 PM
dianavan 16 Oct 05 - 12:13 AM
Jon Bartlett 16 Oct 05 - 01:29 AM
DougR 16 Oct 05 - 02:11 AM
Don(Wyziwyg)T 16 Oct 05 - 05:00 AM
Jerry Rasmussen 16 Oct 05 - 06:00 AM
Rapparee 16 Oct 05 - 09:46 AM
Jerry Rasmussen 16 Oct 05 - 01:45 PM
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Subject: BS: Obit: The Republican Party
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Oct 05 - 08:07 PM

Well, well, well...

Not that I have any great deal of fondness fir the rival fraternity on campus, i.e. the Democartic Party but it looks as if the Republican Party is comin' apart at the seams??? Too namy screw ups... Too much corruption... Too many scandals to handle... Tooo many lies... Too much staelin' from the workin' man's hard earned tax dollars...

Everywhere you look, the Repubs are stinkin' up the joint... I 'like in Repub country these days and even the folks 'round here are pissed off with the Repubs...

Can they fix it? Probably not... Yeah, because of the heavy redistrictin' the Repubs have done over the last 5 years, they will most likely hold their majorities in '06 but not at todays levels...

Heck, the RNC can't even get folks who want to run in a lot of the '06 contests...

So, from one who predicted that invadin' Iraq would turn into a urban warfare quagmire, I'm going on record of predictin' that evn John "The Savior" McCain won't be able to muster up enough to keep the Repubs from corkscrewin' themselves into the ground...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The Republican Party
From: kendall
Date: 12 Oct 05 - 08:14 PM

As Mark Twain said, "I didn't get an invitation to the funeral, but I did write a letter of approval".


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The Republican Party
From: Janie
Date: 12 Oct 05 - 08:16 PM

Maybe in our dreams, Bobert....but it is a bit premature to start dancing on any graves.

Janie


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The Republican Party
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Oct 05 - 08:18 PM

Thank God! I thought they'd never leave. . . .

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The Republican Party
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Oct 05 - 09:51 PM

don't write the obit yet....there are too many people who'd vote for Beelezebub if he said he was against gun control, abortion and higher taxes. There will be a NEW Republican nominee in 3 years- he may GET votes by just disassociating himself from this administration.

There's gonna be a LOT of new issues in 3 years..FEMA and hurricanes and Iraq may be gone by then.....the Democrats have to be for something as well as against Republican stupidity.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The Republican Party
From: Peace
Date: 12 Oct 05 - 09:59 PM

I always liked Samuel Clemens' work and thought.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The Republican Party
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Oct 05 - 09:59 PM

BillD is correct--too many people have blinders on AND incredibly short-term memories, both of which are really unfortunate. Because they seem to remember to vote even though they haven't thought out the issues or taken stock of recent history.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The Republican Party
From: Peace
Date: 12 Oct 05 - 10:01 PM

By the next Presidential election, the White House will have put enough spin on the FEMA screwup to make it look as though the Republican Party saved the day. SRS nailed it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The Republican Party
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Oct 05 - 10:08 PM

Not to worry, Bill....

The Dems now have Howard Dean as Chairman of the DNC... Howard will ghet the job done in creatin' an agenda...

No need dfor ther Dems to "telegraph" it to the Repubs... The Dem pollsters ain't in no hurry here...

Why lay out a program right in the middle of Repub misery??? The more miseery the better...

Yeah, Howard Dean is like a fresh race horse with a plate full of Dem initiatives just waitin' fir the right time... Which ain't now...

Yeah, fir the Dems to come out with a progrma right now would be politically stupid... Let the repubs take a few more hits... Don't give the Repubs anything to fire back at... In essence, don't create any diversionary targets...

What you are seein' is the political savy of Howard Dean... He's like a sniper... He can pull the trigger at will... The Repubs know it but can't do anything about it since they are in turmoil themselves...

Don't worry none about the rival fraternity... They know what is going down and are just standin' back watchin the implosion...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The Republican Party
From: michaelr
Date: 12 Oct 05 - 10:28 PM

The Dems now have Howard Dean as Chairman of the DNC... Howard will get the job done in creatin' an agenda...

Bobert, Bobert, what are you smoking these days? You predict the demise of the elephant, but ignore the fact that the ass has been floating belly-up and stinking in the pool since Al Gore finally disemboweled it five years ago??

The only hope is for unions, civil liberties defenders and just plain folks to make a mass exodus from the smelly abattoir of established American politics and form a new party, impervious to lobbyists and dedicated to the good of the common man.

Cheers,
Michael


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The Republican Party
From: Peace
Date: 12 Oct 05 - 10:30 PM

That's Bobert's line from a year back--and two years back and . . . .


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The Republican Party
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Oct 05 - 10:35 PM

YOU only WISH!

While the spawning percentage is far, far, far, greater for Demos....

Republican prodgeny produce greater numbers at the polls, and an improved cognition of the issues.

As usual, intellect wins over brawny-ignorance and the Catholic Church.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The Republican Party
From: Peace
Date: 12 Oct 05 - 10:39 PM

As I was saying . . . .


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The Republican Party
From: Bobert
Date: 12 Oct 05 - 10:54 PM

NO, as much as I don't like the Dems, Howard Dean is like a jockey on a race horse that has all the power in the world to pulkl out a victory... He knows it and the Repubs know it...

The Repubs ain't to be feared no more, folks... Its the Dems to be feared...

The Repubs is toast...

Yeah, if every danged parrot wants so say "The dems have no plan" then fine...

You think that Howard Dean don't know this????

What, is he brain dead???

Every danged person in the country cvan step to the plate and say that the "dems don't have no plans but guess what???

The Repubs is goin' downhill without the Dem havin' a plan so why inroduce whatever they have now???

That's my point...

There will be a right time fir the rival fraternity to step forward... Now, in the midst of Repub blood lettin', is not it...

That's the way I see it....

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The Republican Party
From: yrlancslad
Date: 13 Oct 05 - 01:31 AM

Dream on Bobert, thanks to DeLays efforts in Texas the Repubs have the legislature tied up for the forseeable future and will certainly tighten their hold meanwhile. They also know how to steal the Presidency now too, after all theyve done it twice in succession now and the American people have not given a murmur-so much for the right to bear arms! Of course its the people who support Bush who have 'em while the Dems whine to one another and make up songs and invite me to "have a nice day!Arrgh Come back weathermen and the SLA all is forgiven.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The Republican Party
From: Joe Offer
Date: 13 Oct 05 - 04:06 AM

Where's the Catholic Church come in on all this, O Nameless One? Seems to me, liberal Catholics still vote Democratic, and conservative Catholics still vote Republican.
-Joe Offer, a Catholic who has never voted Republican-
(I think Republicans are immoral, but other Catholics think that of Democrats)


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The Republican Party
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Oct 05 - 04:55 AM

Michael is right , put your faith in the "democratic" system to effect change and in another ten years your masters will have wrung the spirit out of America.

On the other hand, the sense of "nationhood allied to personal freedom" that they have so cynically used to empower themselves can be the best weapon against them.

In the UK the people themselves have become so cynical that I doubt they could ever commit to the sacrifices required.
Looking from afar, it seems to me that the American people have in general retained an optimism lost in the UK.
A belief that good can still triumph over evil, despite much evidence to the contrary.

In an earlier discussion with M Ted, I admitted that I see America as our last hope to unseat the evil forces that will destroy everything of real value.

Guest was obviously writing tounge in cheek about applications for a leader, but a leader is what America needs; and not one who is tarnished by contact with the Party system.....Any Ideas?...Ake


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The Republican Party
From: kendall
Date: 13 Oct 05 - 07:13 AM

Another party? Teddy Roosevelt tried that and lost. If he couldn't do it, I doubt anyone can.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The Republican Party
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 13 Oct 05 - 09:14 AM

That's funny....


Dean will lead the democrats to victory?


He couldn't even lead himself to victory in the primaries against a no personality block of wood Kerry.

The implosion will happen when Dean's head explodes in rage on national TV whenever he realizes that the Dems days are long over and have been since a few years back.


Hubby


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The Republican Party
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Oct 05 - 10:57 AM

Don't quit your day job to become a political analyst, Hubby.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The Republican Party
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 13 Oct 05 - 11:06 AM

None of us will ever live to see the day that a legitimate third party will make any significant inroads. I doubt my future great-great grandchildren will live to see it.

We are basically stuck with a disorganized Democratic Party and a Republican Party that is falling all over themselves trying to play spin doctor.   Face it, the future ain't pretty!


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The Republican Party
From: Amos
Date: 13 Oct 05 - 11:17 AM

Dean's head-explosion was a masterful piece of political slander and manipulation, acheived by filtering out the background context noise levels, so it sounded like he was screaming mad, instead of just screaming. From this single deft piece of falsification the right-enders managed to take out their most dangerous opponent, in their usual ruthless manner, by lying about him. But make no mistake about his competency as a manager. The State of Vermont understood that and elected him on his record.

Therefore, I suggest there is something to Bobert's analysis -- at least as a promising possibility. Compared to the current tyrannical crony-clan in place, almost anything would be an improvement; I would like to see a wide-range cleanup of falsehoods told, crimes and evasions committed, and distortions fobbed on the public out of self-serving convenience on the part of Bush, Cheney, Rove, Rumsfield and a few others. They are palpably gangsteroid and about as "American" as a Sicilian bullyboy gang.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The Republican Party
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Oct 05 - 11:28 AM

The Republican Party -- that of Lincoln -- died years and years ago.

Even the Republican Party of Goldwater died years ago.

But then, so did the Democratic Party of FDR and Truman and, yes, even Kennedy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The Republican Party
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Oct 05 - 06:52 PM

As fir Dean loosin' in the primaries, heck, it was a forgone conclusion seein' as the Repub' were so scared of him that they wwere sayin' stu7ff like, "Oh, we hope it's Dean that we have to against.." Think about it...If they really wantesd to go aginst Dean, they would have kept queit...

Then there were the esablishment Dems *and* the media sayin' stuff like, "Well, Howard isn't electable!!!"

Think about it... Dean had to be4at the Repub. PR machine, the3 Dem PR machine and the friggin' press and guess what, he almost pulled it off...

TO WIT: Who is now the Chariman of the DNC???

I rest my case...

And fir the record, the biggest screamer in politics that I can remeber is the screamer poster boy hiself, George W. "The Screamer" Bush... He makes Dean l;ook like a daef-mute, gol dangit...

"The Scream" was the final nail the media pouded into the Dean campaign coffin...

And, lets not loose sight of the fact that it was the media that was in hot pursuit to get the Bush administartion to drop the last ownership regs at the FCC...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The Republican Party
From: Ron Davies
Date: 13 Oct 05 - 06:58 PM

The Democrats need to find a Southerner perceived as religious--and to have Mudcatters and like-minded folk not run in the other direction when they do.

John Edwards?


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The Republican Party
From: Don Firth
Date: 13 Oct 05 - 07:44 PM

Barring a truly progressive third party that actually stands a chance (not bloody likely!), at this point, John Edwards looks pretty good to me.

We'll see how things develop.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The Republican Party
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 13 Oct 05 - 07:55 PM

"The democrats need to find a Southerner perceived as religious"

Yep! And the repubs really need to learn to distinguish between a man who BELIEVES in God, and a nutjob who thinks he IS God.

I won't be holding my breath as long as the tumbleweed and his pals are saying "Ask not what I can do for God, Ask rather how can I twist God's message to my own benefit?"

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The Republican Party
From: GUEST,Peter Woodruff alias wdyat12
Date: 13 Oct 05 - 08:27 PM

Bush: 26% approval rating for the war in Irak.

"We gotta get out this place!"

wdyat12

"If that's the the last thing we ever do!"


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The Republican Party
From: michaelr
Date: 13 Oct 05 - 09:27 PM

kendall -- Teddy Roosevelt tried it when?

This is the 21st century. Surely circumstances have changed a bit.

Cheers,
Michael


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The Republican Party
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Oct 05 - 09:40 PM

Yeah, I realize that redistrictin' by the Repubs has made Dean's job a lot harder but guess what??? There are Repubs now refusin' to run... Yeah, in better times, they would be shoe-in's but in this climate alot of folks don't want to waste the money and the possibility of being embarassment...

No, the Dems won't take it all back in '06 but the handwritin' is on the walls...

Think about this, Hubby: you know have a lame duck president who just tonight has been caught yet again tryin' to pull one over on the American people with his so-called unrehearsed talk with the troops in Iraq... Problem is that the networks fot the feed that showed the troops being coached prior to the so-called unrehersed talk...

Face it, the Repubs are strangled with a white-elephant, lame-duck liein' sack of carp as their leader and this ain't gonna keep them in office.

The American people might have been born at night, but other than the redneck Southerners, not last night... And I'm hearin' more and more redneck Southerners who are comin' 'round....

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The Republican Party
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Oct 05 - 09:12 AM

I said last year that the Republicans had a lame-duck President. In politics as it is played you reward your friends and punish your enemies. You use your "political capital." But Bush had already expended the political capital he had BEFORE the election in 2004; like the country, he had run into debt. Being a lame duck, he had and has nothing to reward or punish with after 2008, that's just about two years off right now.

Members of his own party are starting to see this. The Democrats started to see it a couple months ago but are, I think, biding their time, sniping when appropriate and, when possible, embarassing the Republicans (such as over the Harriet Miers nomination).

The Democrats have been unfocused, not disorganized, and have felt that they need to fight every battle instead of choosing which to fight and which to laugh off.

Who would I like to see run in 2008?

John McCain v. Bob Kerrey.

Both are combat veterans. McCain is smart, and still smarting under the Republican charges in 2000 that his experience as a POW damaged his mind. KerrEy, the former Senator from Nebraska, was on the 9/11 Commission -- and as for his combat record, well, walking with a prosethetic leg would be a constant reminder of the maimed in Iraq and, frankly his Medal of Honor probably wouldn't hurt either. But most importantly, I think that they're both moderates (at least in today's climate), smart, and able to actually think for themselves.

It helps that I think that they both actually believe that they'd be working for the good of country....


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The Republican Party
From: Peace
Date: 14 Oct 05 - 10:11 AM

I cannot see the Republicans winning the next election (Presidential). BUT, I think when the Democrat wins he/she'll have lots of proving to do. Truthfully, what real difference is there between the parties? Truthfully?

Neither has presented an economic platform that is beneficial to poor people. Neither has a well-considered education plan. Neither is talking about getting troops the hell outta Iraq. Neither is presenting a tax platform that will help people who need the help as opposed to helping companies and others who DON'T need the help. (OK, maybe Halliburton will need a bit of cash to tide them over, but that aside . . . .) What differences are there? Both parties were implicit in the Patriot Act (what a friggin' name) and neither shone during the NO disaster. So, what price glory?

How far are Americans willing to go in terms of selling off the country the signers of the Dec of Ind envisioned? The writers of the Constitution envisioned? How far? And again, what price glory?


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The Republican Party
From: DougR
Date: 14 Oct 05 - 03:56 PM

Joe Offer: "Immoral?" "Immoral?" All Republicans? Fie fie on you, Joe. You know better than that!

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The Republican Party
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 14 Oct 05 - 04:11 PM

"Teddy Roosevelt tried it when?

This is the 21st century. Surely circumstances have changed a bit."

Not as much as you would think when it comes to politics.   Since TR there have been many attempts- most recently from Ralph Nader and a bit further back from Ross Perot and John Anderson.   It appears taht successful third parties tend to center on a specific issue and can make enormous change by influencing votes, but they have not been able to make a stand as a serious contendor to the Democrats and Republicans.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The Republican Party
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 14 Oct 05 - 05:14 PM

Sorry, Bobert, old friend. I think Howard Dean is a death wish. I say that having been a Democrat all of my life. My real hope is that the Democratic party won't just sit around, hoping that they'll win the next election on the Anyone But A Republican line. The Democratic party of the 40's-60's has pretty much been compromised into nearly complete inaction. There certainly is a loud sucking noise going on these days as a power vacuum is being created. I just wish that I was more optomistic that the Democratic party would find the guts to stand FOR something again.

Jerry (A Disgruntled Democrat)


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The Republican Party
From: tarheel
Date: 14 Oct 05 - 07:24 PM

well,from a true conservative,robert....i must say,i think you are right...!
tar...


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The Republican Party
From: Rapparee
Date: 15 Oct 05 - 10:10 AM

Lordy, Lordy, pig's is a-flyin' an' ol' Mr. Scratch has done come up cuz it's too cold down there!

Tarheel an' Bobert agree on sumthin'!

Repent, Brethren, cuz the endtimes have done come!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The Republican Party
From: DougR
Date: 15 Oct 05 - 02:54 PM

Jerry: IMO the Democratic Party has been kidnapped by the Howard what's-his'name crowd...Dean. That would include Bobert of course, and it is a recipe for disaster for the party.

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The Republican Party
From: Peace
Date: 15 Oct 05 - 03:11 PM

You know, reading what's been happening on this thread is enlightening, because when people forget which party they belong to and start instead to worry about the 'state' of their country and its democracy, the tone of the argument changes to one of folks with a common problem. THAT is one good starting place to reform what Twain referred to as a "benevolent old asylum for the helpless". I think--speaking as one who respects the American people with the fervidity he employs to disrespect the government elected by that people--that if enough of you tend to the task of cleaning the crap out of Washington, you may yet have a country of which to be proud.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The Republican Party
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Oct 05 - 05:12 PM

That was an excellent post Bruce.
Inspiring and full of wisdom. Your kids have a teacher to be proud of

Thats why I like this place, there are a few folks here with real feelings.   Ake


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The Republican Party
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 15 Oct 05 - 08:52 PM

Hey, Peace:

I'm with you. While I have mostly voted Democrat in my lifetime, I see less and less of a real difference between the two parties. Maybe I was delusional, but in the 40's-60's, I felt that the Democratic had some heart and vision. I don't see much of that, anymore. I'm not sure how all of this has happened. Perhaps it's tv coverage and polls that tell politicians what to say they believe in order to be re-elected. Seems like they all have their fingers in the pie, though. I'm sick of voting for the candidate who I think will do the least damage. I find the parties to be less and less distinctive... kinda like chosing up sides in a playground pick-up softball game.

Having just come back from 16 days in Europe, I have a fresh perspective on how America looks from a distance. While everyone seems to detest Bush, they wonder how Americans could be so stupid to vote him in to office for a second time, and how he gets away with what he does. If he is slowly becoming marginalized, it's because he is starting to have the stench of a loser. That may leave the Republicans scrambling to distance themselves from him. Whether someone steps forward with vision and conviction within the Democratic party remains to be seen. We can always hope.

In the meantime, it seems like politics has devolved into some kinda weird parlor game with everyone blaming everyone else, without offering much of anything positive.

This world is not my own, I'm just passing through...

Jerry


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The Republican Party
From: dianavan
Date: 16 Oct 05 - 12:13 AM

Here I am filled with optimism today. I think that the people of the United States (if they stand together) have more power than the Republicans or the Democrats. I think that if you forget all of your political labels and realize that you all want the same thing for your families, all of the little issues will melt away.

It is time for a new party in the U.S. Start now. Let it grow. Call yourselves the People's Unity Party or something. The best thing that can happen is for all of you to realize that the govt. will rob you of your power, by keeping you at each other's throats. They only have the power because you give it to them.

You must be courageous. Don't listen to fear mongering. Nobody hates you - but they despise your government. Only you can change that. Most of you are now of the generation that has all the power and control. Use it or lose it.

...and don't forget it might involve some sacrifice.

You have to be willing to stand up and speak out. When you do, others will join you.

You might even lose but... what you gain is self respect and the knowlege that you tried.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The Republican Party
From: Jon Bartlett
Date: 16 Oct 05 - 01:29 AM

... following on from Dianavan's thoughts...

Why not pick one state for this new party to try out in? Small, but central to larger populations. What about Maine or Vermont? You'd get lots of volunteers from other NE states - hell, you'll get a bunch of canadians coming down to help!


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The Republican Party
From: DougR
Date: 16 Oct 05 - 02:11 AM

Right, Dianavan, we are on the verge of Revolution here in the United States. Bobert is leading the charge! I am assuming that your post is in jest, right?

DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The Republican Party
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 16 Oct 05 - 05:00 AM

All I seem to hear these days is the misuse of the word liberal.

To me a true Liberal would be fair to all, oppress none. He would act in a spirit of generosity, and tolerance, allowing others to hold their own ideals, while trying to ensure that EVERY individual had the opportunity to enjoy the freedoms and privileges guaranteed by your constitution.

There are many such among both republicans and democrats, and it seems to me that they should be capable of mounting an attack on the corporate pawns that are currently in charge of US politics. A revolution does not need to be accomplished with bloody violence.

Maybe then the word liberal would cease to be a derogatory epithet.

Don T.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The Republican Party
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 16 Oct 05 - 06:00 AM

Hey, Doug:

Webster's dictionary definition of "liberal" is "Open minded; generous; catholic; (small "c")unbiased; favoring democratic (small "s"), progressive ideals and freedom of religion." Politicians are terrified of that word... the legacy of Newt Gingrich and company. Those qualities are the ones that made this country great, and yet they are now rarely uttered for fear of someone slapping a capital "L" on the front. Now, Liberal means soft-headed, unrealistically idealistic, profligate spending. loose moraled, pointy headed people who want to waste all your money on lazy, dishonest, poor people.

Jerry


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The Republican Party
From: Rapparee
Date: 16 Oct 05 - 09:46 AM

Right, Jerry. And "conservative" means

1. Favoring traditional views and values...2. Traditional or restrained in style: a conservative dark suit. 3. Moderate; cautious: a conservative estimate... 7. Tending to conserve; preservative: the conservative use of natural resources.

In many ways we are all conservatives, if in no other way that conserving traditional music and song.

There is nothing wrong with taking a cautious approach to change. Many times it's a good idea, in fact. I wish the current government in the US actually WAS conservative.


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The Republican Party
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 16 Oct 05 - 01:45 PM

You're right, Rap: Conservative has been usurped to mean tight-fisted, mean spirited, "I got mine, to Hell With You," no change is a good change attitude toward life. That's no more what "conservative" means than the current use of Liberal means in relation to any dictionary definition. I've always been fiscally conservative, and I think of conservative as being judicious in judgement and not rushing hastily into activities. I am pretty "conservative" in some areas of religion, and wildly "liberal" in others. All of these words have been seriously compromised to make simplistic slogans that obfuscate complex issues and set people against each other.

And where are all them "compassionate Conservatives?"

Jerry


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The Republican Party
From: DougR
Date: 16 Oct 05 - 04:09 PM

Right here, Jerry, right here! :>)
DougR


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Subject: RE: BS: Obit: The Republican Party
From: dianavan
Date: 16 Oct 05 - 04:48 PM

No, Doug, I'm not kidding.

I think that most U.S. citizens have alot more similarities than differences.

Seems that the differences are siezed upon by both Republicans and Democrats as a means for them to gain political control. By focussing on them, we lose sight of what is important to us.

It is time for a revolution. It doesn't have to be bloody. It can start with a party of people who focus on their similarities.

1. We love our families

2. We all need adequate food, shelter and clothing.

3. Our economy is important and relies on skilled workers.

4. We cherish freedom of speech and freedom of religion and...

Take it from there...


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