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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: GUEST,Martin Gibson Date: 27 Oct 05 - 09:39 PM CarolC just might have AIDS. She sure seems to know a lot about it. Me, I'm glad I'm circumcised. I wouldn't want to have a dog dick. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: CarolC Date: 28 Oct 05 - 02:44 PM CarolC just might have AIDS. She sure seems to know a lot about it. I'm going to respond to this one because this is a very serious subject, and it should not be taken lightly. No, I don't have AIDS. I have a son whom I love very much. And as someone who takes my job as a parent very seriously, I made sure to educate myself as much as possible on this subject so that I could give my son the tools and information he would need to protect himself from this terrible disease. And if you love your children, you'll make sure you do the same. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: GUEST,Obie Date: 29 Oct 05 - 08:56 AM It would seem that this "barbaric practice" is advocated in the Bible as a covenant between God and Abraham. Now I am no Bible expert, but if my memory serves me right God used to entertain himself by messing with Abraham's mind. "KILL YOUR FIRST BORN SON!" ....as Abraham prepares to comply........ "WHOA ABRAHAM, I WAS ONLY JOKING! HERE'S A GOAT. KILL IT INSTEAD!" From such wonderful exchanges some our religious traditions. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: greg stephens Date: 29 Oct 05 - 09:23 AM GUEST Obie: I think you'll find it was sheep, not a goat. Though it often hard to tell them apart, proverbially so in fact. otherwise, you're on the button. It does seem a little on the sadistic side, scaring Abraham like that. God's advice seems very very patchy. Thou shalt not kill, not a bad one. Don't eat pork or shellfish, quite sensible in a warm climate in pre-refrigerator days. But banning the eating of chameleons, and stoning people to death for picking up sticks on Saturday seems to me to verge on the eccentric. Male circumcision seems to me to be one of the cleverer ideas, though, and not at all barbaric. Research suggests that it prevents the transmission of the viruses that cause cancer of the womb, HIV/Aids and possibly a variety of other infections, seems pretty sound to me. And various males have attested the fact that it is still possible to manage to have a modicum of fun in the rumpy-pumpy department, even minus foreskin. So why not give it a whirl? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: bobad Date: 29 Oct 05 - 10:56 AM "Research suggests that it prevents the transmission of the viruses that cause cancer of the womb, HIV/Aids and possibly a variety of other infections," Erroneous and potentially dangerous information. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Cluin Date: 12 Dec 05 - 04:38 PM There's this situation to consider. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: GUEST,Louie Date: 12 Dec 05 - 04:45 PM AAAA----AAUUUA----AAARGGGHHHHH!!!!!!!!!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: bobad Date: 12 Dec 05 - 04:47 PM Don't you just hate when that happens ? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Wolfgang Date: 23 Feb 07 - 06:46 AM AIDS risk lower than thought for circumcised What was rather a working hypothesis two years ago seems to be found true according to new articles in THE LANCET. But the final data from the trials, to be published Friday in the British medical journal The Lancet, suggest circumcision reduces a man's risk by as much as 65 percent. Wolfgang |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: jaze Date: 23 Feb 07 - 10:52 AM I always thought it rather odd that God would even suggest circumcision. What he do, decide he'd made a mistake? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Bill D Date: 23 Feb 07 - 11:14 AM "...circumcision reduces a man's risk by as much as 65 percent." Seems quite reasonable to me...less place for the virus to hide and be retained. But obviously, it's still behavior that makes the risk...mass circumcision would only slow the spread, and is sure not likely...*grin* |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 23 Feb 07 - 04:18 PM And circumcising infants is child abuse, unless it's to relieve an existing medical condition. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Peace Date: 23 Feb 07 - 04:20 PM Here we go 'round the mulberry bush . . . . |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Donuel Date: 23 Feb 07 - 05:58 PM fewer than 7% of the procedures get botched but generally only end with disfigurment or stunted organ growth. The risk of death from infection is insignificant. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Bill D Date: 23 Feb 07 - 06:57 PM fewer than 7%, huh? Wow....that many unhappy disfigured and stunted men could account for much of the war and crime in the world. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: folk1e Date: 23 Feb 07 - 07:46 PM I'm definately keeping mine! I've had no complaints eather! If most of the medical benefits are realized after puberty why not let everyone decide for themselves? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Doug Chadwick Date: 23 Feb 07 - 07:58 PM ...While there might not be medical reasons, there certainly are religious ones..... If a religion demands genital mutilation, then the religion is wrong. DC |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Little Hawk Date: 23 Feb 07 - 08:11 PM I have not heard of anyone volunteering to have it done again once they reached adulthood... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Donuel Date: 23 Feb 07 - 08:16 PM Hey even Yo Yo Ma had a botched job. Maybe you've seen penis' that take a dogleg left or right. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: GUEST,Pete Date: 03 Aug 07 - 05:38 PM "Pros and cons"????????? Sorry, what cons are there?!!!!! I am so glad I'm circumcised. I saw a foreskin this evening and, as always, it looked so uncomfortable. I feel sorry for someone who is doomed to have to go through life with one!! It ust be almost as bad as a vulva!!! Pete |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Peace Date: 03 Aug 07 - 05:50 PM So now we get the same shit all over again? "Here I sit so patiently Waiting to find out what price You have to pay to get out of Going through all these things twice." Gospel of Bob. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Bill D Date: 03 Aug 07 - 06:49 PM don't you wonder how folks stumble into these threads? "Here I am in folk music forum....I think I'll search and see if they debate circumcision." Maybe 'Pete' just wanted to be one lonely voice in the tide of those opposed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Becca72 Date: 03 Aug 07 - 06:54 PM "I saw a foreskin this evening" LOL Was it at the pub? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Little Hawk Date: 03 Aug 07 - 10:40 PM OUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That was a con. Doctors do it to helpless babies, but you notice that they don't let anyone else do something similar to them... Nor do vets like it one bit when an animal snips their balls off! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Ebbie Date: 03 Aug 07 - 10:57 PM What in the world!? A doglegged penis or a botched 7%!? What? A normal circumcision - and I don't believe for a moment that botched circumcisions amount to 7% - does not involve 'meat'. It takes off only the sheath that can be pulled forward over the organ. Freud had it SO wrong- I don't know any woman who has ever had 'penis envy'; observing most men's reactions to any perceived danger in the area my guess is that not one woman in a hundred would trade with any man. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: GUEST,Mr Insecure Date: 03 Aug 07 - 10:59 PM can it be cut off and grafted under the tip of the helmet to give a bloke an extra milimetre or two..??? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Peace Date: 03 Aug 07 - 11:02 PM Collect them. When you have about a hundred or so, get a leather smith to make a wallet for you. A wallet you say? Yes, a wallet. But a special wallet. Rub it and it turns into a suitcase. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Sorcha Date: 03 Aug 07 - 11:02 PM Oh dear gods and goddesses. Close please? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Little Hawk Date: 03 Aug 07 - 11:03 PM Frued was crackers as far as I'm concerned. The man had serious problems. He should have had his head examined. ;-D The only people who experience penis envy, as far as I've ever seen, are men! They tend to worry that some other man is more gifted than themselves. Most women just aren't stupid enough to worry about something as dang silly as that...! And did it never occur to Freud that men might envy women their sexual abilites when it comes to things like multiple orgasms? Like I say, he must have been crackers. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Peace Date: 03 Aug 07 - 11:10 PM Next, the usuals come into the thread to say which they prefer as though anyone really gives a shit about which they prefer. Read the fuckin' thread. It's all been said before. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Little Hawk Date: 03 Aug 07 - 11:22 PM Who has time to read the whole fuckin' thread (again)??? Will I be better off if I do? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Peace Date: 03 Aug 07 - 11:27 PM Listen up, Little Hawk, don't misunderestimate the poewr of a member posting as a guest to renew this here thread and start all kinds of shit. I'm waiting for the self-named guest to give permission on this thread for Joe to declare that he or she is 1) really a guest Dunno. -Joe- 2) really a member Dunno - but certainly not a "regular." "Just a troll" is probably the best description. -Joe- But that ain't gonna happen because the dumb fuck enjoys discord. These types of Guest things are the reason Guests should not be allowed to post to BS. Here we fuckin' go again. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Greg B Date: 03 Aug 07 - 11:51 PM Heh heh. Peace said 'member.' Heh heh. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Peace Date: 03 Aug 07 - 11:54 PM LOL Good one Greg. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Greg B Date: 04 Aug 07 - 12:06 AM "The first cut is the deepest, Baby I know — The first cut is the deepest..." (And I *do* know, for those of you who're curious) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: John on the Sunset Coast Date: 04 Aug 07 - 12:17 AM Hey Peace, if you misunderestimate something are you really overestimating it? LOL ;) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Peace Date: 04 Aug 07 - 12:33 AM I'll check with Dick and get back to you on that. (That's for my ol' bud, Greg. Cue cameras.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Peace Date: 04 Aug 07 - 12:36 AM For my buddy, John: Check the 11:13 PM post by Little Hawk. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Little Hawk Date: 04 Aug 07 - 01:02 AM "that ain't gonna happen because the dumb fuck enjoys discord" Yeah, it's the cheapest form of entertainment... Hey, Peace? Listen up, bro! Don't disunderempower me by misunderestimating me when I guesstimate, because at the end of the day I always give it 110 per cent, know what I mean? Can we run that one up the flagpole and see if anyone salutes? Do you capiche? Now I have to go spend some quality time with my significant other. Chill, brother. It's all good. (evil grin...) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Sorcha Date: 04 Aug 07 - 01:04 AM Hey, it wasn't me. I asked for Close it Please.
If the thread continues on its vitriolic path, contact me by personal message and tell me which particular posts are objectionable, and why. Thanks. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 04 Aug 07 - 07:01 PM There used to be a fashion for routinely removing children's tonsils. Fortunately that never became part of any religious tradition, so the practice just stopped being fashionable, and faded away. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: GUEST,poncewatch Date: 04 Aug 07 - 09:08 PM ..any excuse for some grown men to touch little boys peepees........ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: GUEST,poncewatch Date: 04 Aug 07 - 09:11 PM ..and under the convenient sanctified pretext of health & hygene and religion............................ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Riginslinger Date: 04 Aug 07 - 09:18 PM The authorities are now telling us that circumcision can lower the HIV rate it Africa. Believe it or Not! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Joe Offer Date: 04 Aug 07 - 09:27 PM You know, there has been a serious belief among many medical professionals that circumcision has a number of health benefits. That belief may be incorrect, but I have seen no evidence of any malice on the part of anyone who performs circumcision. Therefore, I question the good will of those who condemn people who perform circumcision as if they were monsters or something. Circumcison may or may not be unhealthful, but I think we're prejudiced if we automatically consider it to be malicious. This is yet another sterling example of the self-righteous bigotry that seems to be so fashionable these days. It sure seems that liberals can be every bit as bigoted as conservatives. Maybe it's time for moderation and tolerance. -Joe Offer, who was circumcised at birth and doesn't hate my parents or my doctor because of it- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Little Hawk Date: 04 Aug 07 - 09:50 PM "This is yet another sterling example of the self-righteous bigotry that seems to be so fashionable these days. It sure seems that liberals can be every bit as bigoted as conservatives." Oh, you are so right, Joe. ;-) There's an epidemic of self-righteous bigotry of the very kind you describe. People are always looking around for something they can huff and puff about and express indignation about on behalf of a suffering humanity, and I enjoy pointing it out (the self-righteous bigotry) now and then too...although I do have a somewhat negative opinion of the practice of circumcision...if asked for one. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Joe Offer Date: 04 Aug 07 - 09:58 PM Well, my ex and I followed the doctors' advice and had our boys circumcised when they were born in the 1970s. Would we do it now? Probably not. I don't think my sons hate us for having them circumcised. At least, I hope not. By the way, it should be noted that the most bigoted comments come from "poncewatch," who has never posted under that name and IP before. Makes a person think that old "poncewatch" may be trolling, hey? -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Little Hawk Date: 04 Aug 07 - 10:05 PM I wouldn't think so. I don't hate my parents for having done so. If I had a male child, and was faced with the question of what to do about that, it would be a tough one to answer. On the one hand, I don't see any real reason to have it done. On the other hand, in a society where most males customarily are circumsized, it could perhaps become a source of embarrassment for the boy at a later date. A bit of a puzzle for a parent... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: GUEST,old "poncewatch" Date: 04 Aug 07 - 10:42 PM hmmm... something touched a raw nerve end.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Circumcision: pros and cons From: Joe Offer Date: 04 Aug 07 - 10:56 PM Yeah, "poncewatch," I suppose you're right. I dislike politically correct bigots even more than I dislike the traditional kind - perhaps because I think they've betrayed the sense of fairness and tolerance that liberals ought to have. If you happen to have some evidence to show that male circumcision has been practiced in the western world with malicious intent, then perhaps it might be worth listening to you. Otherwise, my guess is that you're just a damn troll. -Joe Offer- |
