Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Little Musgrave
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 05:50 PM

Smiler
You have clearly not been on the end of a beating for the colour of your skin (neither have I for that matter). If all the BNP did was to spout racism then they wouldn't be nearly as dangerous as they are. The problem is a tendancy to back up their beliefs with fists, boots & baseball bats. Anyone promoting the BNP, as 'Dave' has (look at his original posting-it is a direct relaying of a BNP press release) is by their nature condoning this violent racist behavoiur, and should be challenged. Freedom of speech for those who would deny it to others? A bit of a liberal dilemma. However, bullshit like 'great white records' needs to be challenged. Silence will not make them go away.

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 05:59 PM

'm also quite surpriesd by David Hannam's grasp of the sweep of musical history over more than ten years. In another current thread, he points out that he only went to his first concert last year. Still, I suppose you can keep up with things by assiduously reading the reviews in the Guardian, probably his paper of choice.

ten years, haha, not me governor. I only know what i like. I only went to my first concert last year, but it was great. Dylan was pure class.

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 06:01 PM

"Particularly racist is when someone addresses someone with a derogatory term in terms of skin colour, or alternatively, speaks to others about someone, in such a way."
But he has, it's just couched in seemingly innocent terms. Personaly, I don't feel the overwhelming urge to, but I can go and find enough examples on archived threads.

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 06:04 PM

"ten years, haha, not me governor. I only know what i like. I only went to my first concert last year, but it was great. Dylan was pure class."

How does that square with you saying you follow Dylan and Leonard Cohen religiouslly when on tour?

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: GUEST,smiler
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 06:04 PM

The trouble with that thinking LM is that the BNP does not exist in a vacuum. Its power base is disaffected white people.

Why are they disaffected? Address that, and you get rid of the BNP.

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Little Musgrave
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 06:06 PM

See piers reference to capitalism
this has more pertenance than any daily mail (john) bull about immigration

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 06:06 PM

It's power base is reactionary hooligans. You'll never be rid of those.

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 06:21 PM

Smiler is no supporter of racism or any other injustice as far as I can see.

He's also no supporter of the "lynch mob".

Take a look at the "free speech" thread, Take a look at the action of our own govt. I dont see much difference between Blair's gang of thugs and Mr Hannan's.

Open your eyes and ears, scrutinise the actions of all politicians, you'll find they're all the same beast under the skin...Ake

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Little Musgrave
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 06:30 PM

The stuff about Blair's thugs is all well and good, but something of a non sequiteur so far as I can see. Why do we always have to see things in terms of 'goodies' vs. 'baddies'? Sometimes they're all baddies. Smiler may not be part of the lynch mob, but he is in danger of giving the BNP's ideas legitimacy. By all means hold your own opinions and beliefs, but people are actually being attacked, injured, sworn at, and in the case of some, killed by people like the BNP. That is the difference. I believe Blair to be a war criminal for his actions around the world, but that is not what this thread is about. It's about the BNP releasing a record.

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Peace
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 06:37 PM

The folks in the BNP--hey, many already HAVE records.

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Little Musgrave
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 06:39 PM

so what's one more criminal record then (Ta-da!)

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Peace
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 06:40 PM

Drum roll . . . .

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Peace
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 06:46 PM

Have a boo at this then . . .

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Mr Happy
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 06:58 PM

y r u peeple feeding this trolll?

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Dead Horse
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 10:12 PM

Agreed, Mr Happy. Dump this shit.

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 02:18 AM

The 4 alleged mp3 links don't work.

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: mandotim
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 03:50 AM

I grew up in Oldham. A town that used to be friendly, tolerant and welcoming, until the BNP got involved. I wrote a song recently about this issue. In 1936 my Granddad and some of his mates threw Oswald Moseley's Blackshirts out of Oldham after they held a rally in Tommyfield market, trying to whip up anti-semitic and anti-catholic feeling. Granddad is dead now, but we could use a few more like him.
Tim from Bit on the Side

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Hand-Pulled Boy
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 05:23 AM

Getting back to the music where would we be without Gospel, Blues, Soul and Jazz? We have a lot to thank our 'Brothers' for. I often think of the Vegan who wears leather sandals.................

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 05:33 AM

And how many pompous, biggoted nationalist songs do we really remember years after they were written, apart, perhaps, from God Save the King and La Marsseillaise?

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 07:17 AM

DVD to go with the CD

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Tam the man
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 07:50 AM

who gives a shit really about the British Nazi Party and their members and followers, I mean don't even bother giving them the Publicity because they are just the scum of the earth.

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Tam the man
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 07:50 AM

I wouldn't even call it real music

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 08:01 AM

real music? what is unreal?

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Little Musgrave
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 10:28 AM

It would be nice to think that by ignoring the BNP they'll just go away. Unfortunately the only thing that seems to work (as the late 70s shows) is to challenge them at every step. Otherwise the folk memory of what a bunch of thugs they are tends to fade wawy, and before we know it, someone like Nick griffin comes along and tries to turn them into a credible force. Unfortunately, as my local council shows, some people do actually fall for it.

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Peace
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 10:36 AM

"what is unreal?"

The BNP is unreal. British Nazi Party.

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 10:48 AM

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Did someone call?

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 11:03 AM

All records like this do is to tarnish real music, be it fairly light hearted stuff ( i.e. Fairports' jewel in the crown) or somewhat more serious stuff ( Peter Bellamy, keep on Kipling).

There is plenty of very english, somewhat nationalistic music around, and I'd rather not be be mixed up with that lot for liking it.

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: mandotim
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 11:57 AM

Ooops, Bunnahabhain; suggest you have another listen to 'Jewel in the Crown'! Julie Matthews wrote it, and it is written and delivered with savage irony. Julie herself said that when she wrote it she was in a very angry mood. It is really a blistering attack on the atrocities committed by us Brits in the Empire years. Having said that, it is in danger of going the same way as Springsteen's 'Born in the USA' in being adopted as some kind of right-wing anthem by people who either don't listen to the lyrics in the verses, or don't understand irony. ( i.e Americans)
Tim from Bit on the Side

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 12:48 PM

The BNP is unreal. British Nazi Party.

Scary thought that over a million nazis voted for the BNP last year!

Thanks to all those who have had a listen.

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 12:54 PM

Either he has learnt what irony is, or the gloves are off....

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: GUEST,We know where you live nazi scum
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 01:31 PM

aint it about time BNP leaders and activist thugs found
themselves living in fear of vigilante 'hit squad'
surprise assaults and beatings..?

..of course meeting violence with more violence is no positive long term solution for social disfunction & division..

but it sure would feel good giving a nazi a well deserved kicking !!!

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Peace
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 02:20 PM

"Scary thought that over a million nazis voted for the BNP last year!"

No doubt.

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: GUEST,you know we i live - nice for you
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 02:22 PM

aint it about time BNP leaders and activist thugs found
themselves living in fear of vigilante 'hit squad'
surprise assaults and beatings..?

..of course meeting violence with more violence is no positive long term solution for social disfunction & division..

but it sure would feel good giving a nazi a well deserved kicking !!!

Finally you showed your true colours!

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Little Musgrave
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 02:31 PM

surely this is only a dose of your own medicine? One of the few uses of M16 et al is to get the nazis fighting amongst themselves and saving us all the effort

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: GUEST,give me strength to maintain self restraint.
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 02:48 PM

oi nazi scum mate..

citizens like myself have never needed to disguise our 'true colours' !


.. its simply that our strongly ingrained and disciplined respect for intelligent civilised behaviour, cultural tolerance, and social order..


tends to keep our more 'primitive' instincts well under control..


thus preserving thugs like your lot from spending as much time in hospitals
recovering from the 'punishment'you rightly deserve..

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: GUEST,never heard so much bollocks
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 03:20 PM

aint it about time BNP leaders and activist thugs found
themselves living in fear of vigilante 'hit squad'
surprise assaults and beatings..?

..of course meeting violence with more violence is no positive long term solution for social disfunction & division..

but it sure would feel good giving a nazi a well deserved kicking !!!

Speaks for itself. You are violant

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Little Musgrave
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 03:21 PM

Violant, or violent? I'm not usually one to pick up people on their spelling, but the two have different meanings.

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: jeffp
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 03:23 PM

Violet. He thinks you're purple (with rage?)

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 05:00 PM

true though. mudacatters resorting to talking about people being hounded by hit squads is disgraceful.

i dont like hannams opinions or the bnps but i dont like talk like that

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Peace
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 05:26 PM

Maybe it's a case of 'sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander'.

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: andymac
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 08:58 PM

Catters...
Part of the problem here surely is that the tactics of organisations such as the BNP is to make sure that enough "red herrings" are thrown into the conversation to keep the oppostion fighting amongst themselves and thus divided and unable to mount an effective opposition to their bigoted and intolerant views. Read back over this thread as I have just done and you will see that is exactly what has been going on so far.

The point surely is this..the BNP are perfectly entitled to produce CDs, books and to organise in ways to promulgate their views only as long as the same right is afforded by them to others in opposition to them.
As history has shown, this is not the case, therefore they should lose their right to be considered a legitimate political organisation and their spokesmen banned or convicted of inciting violence and terrorism against British citizens.
Advocating violence against them is no good since all it does is promote civil unrest which in turn can (and certainly will)be blamed against the non-whites...thus fomenting further hatred and polarity, which is entirely their modus operandi.

I am no fan of organisations such as the IRA or any of the myriad Loyalist organisations in N. Ireland but do feel that if they could be proscribed for promoting terrorism then so should the BNP..but deny them the oxygen of publicity on here at least..please?..

andymac

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 09:16 PM

I reckon Joe Offer should ban Hannam. If enough posters on here complained to him maybe it might happen..?

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: bobad
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 09:28 PM

Consider this a complaint.

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Oct 05 - 03:39 AM

Hannam you are a disgrace to society, please leave this forum alone and trade elsewhere.

Hitler youth has long gone

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Oct 05 - 04:13 AM

Im against bigotry in all its forms.
There are several different kinds of bigot on this forum, who decides which bigot is allowed to post here.

All this talk about "a good kicking" (is there such a thing) is so much macho bollocks.

Where do you stop? when the inevitable murder happens?

Then you've just swapped one group of fascists for another..Ake

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: zelger
Date: 20 Oct 05 - 04:22 AM

well said akenaton. it is arrogance of people on here unable to cope with diverse opinions that they want someone banned and killed by a hit squad

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 20 Oct 05 - 04:26 AM

Hmmm...... tricky one.... If you exclude Mr Hannam, should you not also exclude the pro IRA contingent on here as well?

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: zelger
Date: 20 Oct 05 - 04:32 AM

no flamenco, the IRA are a legitimate organisation. They don't murder, maim, terrorize, kill, torture and engage in drugs, but the BNP on the other hand were reported to be putting leaflets through doors in some parts of the country.

DOn't take this message as Pro-BNP im just saying banning this person or that person because you disagree shows weakness in all your personalities and shows you dont respect freedom of speech.

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Oct 05 - 04:34 AM

sorry i must be reading this wrong. what have they done so wrong? This thread can't be simply about them making music surely?

Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: akenaton
Date: 20 Oct 05 - 04:34 AM

Yes Ted...Everyone has a different definition of bigotry.

Pro Ira
Anti Ira
Pro Palistinian
Anti Palistinian
Pro Capitalist
Anti Capitalist

The list is endless....Just havn't worked out a catagory fo you yet!!

We should be able to discuss any subject in the safety of this group, and perhaps change a few minds in the process...Ake