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Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records

Peace 19 Oct 05 - 02:20 PM
GUEST,We know where you live nazi scum 19 Oct 05 - 01:31 PM
Le Scaramouche 19 Oct 05 - 12:54 PM
GUEST,David Hannam 19 Oct 05 - 12:48 PM
mandotim 19 Oct 05 - 11:57 AM
Bunnahabhain 19 Oct 05 - 11:03 AM
GUEST 19 Oct 05 - 10:48 AM
Peace 19 Oct 05 - 10:36 AM
Little Musgrave 19 Oct 05 - 10:28 AM
GUEST 19 Oct 05 - 08:01 AM
Tam the man 19 Oct 05 - 07:50 AM
Tam the man 19 Oct 05 - 07:50 AM
GUEST 19 Oct 05 - 07:17 AM
Le Scaramouche 19 Oct 05 - 05:33 AM
Hand-Pulled Boy 19 Oct 05 - 05:23 AM
mandotim 19 Oct 05 - 03:50 AM
The Fooles Troupe 19 Oct 05 - 02:18 AM
Dead Horse 18 Oct 05 - 10:12 PM
Mr Happy 18 Oct 05 - 06:58 PM
Peace 18 Oct 05 - 06:46 PM
Peace 18 Oct 05 - 06:40 PM
Little Musgrave 18 Oct 05 - 06:39 PM
Peace 18 Oct 05 - 06:37 PM
Little Musgrave 18 Oct 05 - 06:30 PM
akenaton 18 Oct 05 - 06:21 PM
Le Scaramouche 18 Oct 05 - 06:06 PM
Little Musgrave 18 Oct 05 - 06:06 PM
GUEST,smiler 18 Oct 05 - 06:04 PM
Le Scaramouche 18 Oct 05 - 06:04 PM
Le Scaramouche 18 Oct 05 - 06:01 PM
GUEST,David Hannam 18 Oct 05 - 05:59 PM
Little Musgrave 18 Oct 05 - 05:50 PM
frogprince 18 Oct 05 - 05:46 PM
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Le Scaramouche 18 Oct 05 - 05:39 PM
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Little Musgrave 18 Oct 05 - 03:51 PM
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Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Peace
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 02:20 PM

"Scary thought that over a million nazis voted for the BNP last year!"

No doubt.


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Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: GUEST,We know where you live nazi scum
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 01:31 PM

aint it about time BNP leaders and activist thugs found
themselves living in fear of vigilante 'hit squad'
surprise assaults and beatings..?

..of course meeting violence with more violence is no positive long term solution for social disfunction & division..

but it sure would feel good giving a nazi a well deserved kicking !!!


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Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 12:54 PM

Either he has learnt what irony is, or the gloves are off....


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Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 12:48 PM

The BNP is unreal. British Nazi Party.

Scary thought that over a million nazis voted for the BNP last year!

Thanks to all those who have had a listen.


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Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: mandotim
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 11:57 AM

Ooops, Bunnahabhain; suggest you have another listen to 'Jewel in the Crown'! Julie Matthews wrote it, and it is written and delivered with savage irony. Julie herself said that when she wrote it she was in a very angry mood. It is really a blistering attack on the atrocities committed by us Brits in the Empire years. Having said that, it is in danger of going the same way as Springsteen's 'Born in the USA' in being adopted as some kind of right-wing anthem by people who either don't listen to the lyrics in the verses, or don't understand irony. ( i.e Americans)
Tim from Bit on the Side


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Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 11:03 AM

All records like this do is to tarnish real music, be it fairly light hearted stuff ( i.e. Fairports' jewel in the crown) or somewhat more serious stuff ( Peter Bellamy, keep on Kipling).

There is plenty of very english, somewhat nationalistic music around, and I'd rather not be be mixed up with that lot for liking it.


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Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 10:48 AM

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Did someone call?


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Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Peace
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 10:36 AM

"what is unreal?"

The BNP is unreal. British Nazi Party.


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Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Little Musgrave
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 10:28 AM

It would be nice to think that by ignoring the BNP they'll just go away. Unfortunately the only thing that seems to work (as the late 70s shows) is to challenge them at every step. Otherwise the folk memory of what a bunch of thugs they are tends to fade wawy, and before we know it, someone like Nick griffin comes along and tries to turn them into a credible force. Unfortunately, as my local council shows, some people do actually fall for it.


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Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 08:01 AM

real music? what is unreal?


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Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Tam the man
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 07:50 AM

I wouldn't even call it real music


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Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Tam the man
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 07:50 AM

who gives a shit really about the British Nazi Party and their members and followers, I mean don't even bother giving them the Publicity because they are just the scum of the earth.


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Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 07:17 AM

DVD to go with the CD


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Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 05:33 AM

And how many pompous, biggoted nationalist songs do we really remember years after they were written, apart, perhaps, from God Save the King and La Marsseillaise?


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Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Hand-Pulled Boy
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 05:23 AM

Getting back to the music where would we be without Gospel, Blues, Soul and Jazz? We have a lot to thank our 'Brothers' for. I often think of the Vegan who wears leather sandals.................


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Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: mandotim
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 03:50 AM

I grew up in Oldham. A town that used to be friendly, tolerant and welcoming, until the BNP got involved. I wrote a song recently about this issue. In 1936 my Granddad and some of his mates threw Oswald Moseley's Blackshirts out of Oldham after they held a rally in Tommyfield market, trying to whip up anti-semitic and anti-catholic feeling. Granddad is dead now, but we could use a few more like him.
Tim from Bit on the Side


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Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 02:18 AM

The 4 alleged mp3 links don't work.


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Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Dead Horse
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 10:12 PM

Agreed, Mr Happy. Dump this shit.


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Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Mr Happy
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 06:58 PM

y r u peeple feeding this trolll?


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Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Peace
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 06:46 PM

Have a boo at this then . . .


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Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Peace
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 06:40 PM

Drum roll . . . .


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Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Little Musgrave
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 06:39 PM

so what's one more criminal record then (Ta-da!)


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Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Peace
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 06:37 PM

The folks in the BNP--hey, many already HAVE records.


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Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Little Musgrave
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 06:30 PM

The stuff about Blair's thugs is all well and good, but something of a non sequiteur so far as I can see. Why do we always have to see things in terms of 'goodies' vs. 'baddies'? Sometimes they're all baddies. Smiler may not be part of the lynch mob, but he is in danger of giving the BNP's ideas legitimacy. By all means hold your own opinions and beliefs, but people are actually being attacked, injured, sworn at, and in the case of some, killed by people like the BNP. That is the difference. I believe Blair to be a war criminal for his actions around the world, but that is not what this thread is about. It's about the BNP releasing a record.


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Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 06:21 PM

Smiler is no supporter of racism or any other injustice as far as I can see.

He's also no supporter of the "lynch mob".

Take a look at the "free speech" thread, Take a look at the action of our own govt. I dont see much difference between Blair's gang of thugs and Mr Hannan's.

Open your eyes and ears, scrutinise the actions of all politicians, you'll find they're all the same beast under the skin...Ake


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Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 06:06 PM

It's power base is reactionary hooligans. You'll never be rid of those.


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Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Little Musgrave
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 06:06 PM

See piers reference to capitalism
this has more pertenance than any daily mail (john) bull about immigration


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Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: GUEST,smiler
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 06:04 PM

The trouble with that thinking LM is that the BNP does not exist in a vacuum. Its power base is disaffected white people.

Why are they disaffected? Address that, and you get rid of the BNP.


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Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 06:04 PM

"ten years, haha, not me governor. I only know what i like. I only went to my first concert last year, but it was great. Dylan was pure class."

How does that square with you saying you follow Dylan and Leonard Cohen religiouslly when on tour?


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Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 06:01 PM

"Particularly racist is when someone addresses someone with a derogatory term in terms of skin colour, or alternatively, speaks to others about someone, in such a way."
But he has, it's just couched in seemingly innocent terms. Personaly, I don't feel the overwhelming urge to, but I can go and find enough examples on archived threads.


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Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: GUEST,David Hannam
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 05:59 PM

'm also quite surpriesd by David Hannam's grasp of the sweep of musical history over more than ten years. In another current thread, he points out that he only went to his first concert last year. Still, I suppose you can keep up with things by assiduously reading the reviews in the Guardian, probably his paper of choice.

ten years, haha, not me governor. I only know what i like. I only went to my first concert last year, but it was great. Dylan was pure class.


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Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Little Musgrave
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 05:50 PM

Smiler
You have clearly not been on the end of a beating for the colour of your skin (neither have I for that matter). If all the BNP did was to spout racism then they wouldn't be nearly as dangerous as they are. The problem is a tendancy to back up their beliefs with fists, boots & baseball bats. Anyone promoting the BNP, as 'Dave' has (look at his original posting-it is a direct relaying of a BNP press release) is by their nature condoning this violent racist behavoiur, and should be challenged. Freedom of speech for those who would deny it to others? A bit of a liberal dilemma. However, bullshit like 'great white records' needs to be challenged. Silence will not make them go away.


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Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: frogprince
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 05:46 PM

never said anything particularly racist

"It all depends on what your definition of 'is' is".


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Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: GUEST,smiler
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 05:40 PM

If someone wants to express an opinion about immigration La Scaramouche, that is a valid topic to discuss either way. And I'm not offering an opinion on immigration either.

Particularly racist is when someone addresses someone with a derogatory term in terms of skin colour, or alternatively, speaks to others about someone, in such a way.

Without defending his political beliefs, Dave is entitled to his opinions about immigration and people are equally entitled to disagree with them.


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Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 05:39 PM

I would like to ask everyone to join me in a rousing rendition of a Song of Patriotic Prejudice!!!!!


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Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: GUEST,Euro Right
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 05:35 PM

BNP CD shop invites paypal purchases from Europe..

nice to see such progressive attitude towards payment in Euros..


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Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 05:26 PM

Smiler, I'm a big fan of Wagnerian music, does that mean I love Anti-Semitism?
One could give loads of examples, from you-know-who loving Chaplin films, to Stalin being a fan of John Wayne.


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Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: frogprince
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 05:21 PM

It's just kinda saddening to open ones favorite book and find that somebody has taken a big sloppy shit in it.


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Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 05:04 PM

Never said anything particularly racist? What is particularly in your book?


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Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: GUEST,smiler
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 04:55 PM

The guy who started the thread has, to my knowledge, never said anything particularly racist on mudcat, and according previous posts is a big fan of Bob Dylan, who happens to be Jewish.

If I'm to have a problem with BNP members posting, I have just as much a problem with Labour party members posting, as by the same reckoning, they are to blame for the current genocide in Iraq, and the past mass killings of families in Kosovo.

I'll decline on the CD purchase.


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Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Little Musgrave
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 04:29 PM

Wherever you find class division you will also find people challenging those divisions. Unfortunately you will also find scum like the BNP trying to exploit those divisions by appealing to those at the bottom of the pile that at least they're not black, or asian or Jewish, or Irish, or ...(add your own prejudices here...). All this whilst trying to maintain the unfairness of the status quo of power relationships in this country.


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Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 04:27 PM

A little surprised to read in the initial post that:
The album comes with full colour booklet

Do you think they'll be re-writing their advertising blurb?

Nigel


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Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 04:20 PM

Even without capitalism, without anything like that, there would still be divisions into class, perhaps by merit, but divisions nonetheless.


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Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Piers
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 04:09 PM

Capitalism is the dominant mode of production the world over, except for a few pockets of feudalism in the developing regions.


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Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 04:04 PM

Capitalism actually has little to do with the world still being divided into class. It is not a defence but nor is it the cause of all the world's ills. You'll not find a single system without class differences.


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Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Little Musgrave
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 03:51 PM

Fair point, Piers, I concurr with your general overview
But next to the dogshit put out by the BNP, and the completely bollocks view of 'eng-er-land' they espouse, it feels like progress, however small.


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Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Piers
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 03:47 PM

Progress as a nation? Yeah, it's a good thing the British state isn't involved in imperialistic adventures overseas, whilst repressing civil liberties and squeezing workers economically at home.

It's the tragedy of most of the socialists becoming a left-wing of capitalism rather than seeking to abolish capitalism that we are still in a world divided into nations and classes with the concomitant wars and poverty.


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Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 03:45 PM

The subject of this thread puts me in mind of a line from a much older song about revolution:
But if you want money for minds that hate
All I can tell you is brother you have to wait


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Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: Little Musgrave
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 03:10 PM

As I understand it, there are great parallels between the so-called 'folk revival' in the 1960s and leftist/socialist political groups, and as such the revival wouldn't have happened without the great contribution of such people as Leon Rosselson, Roy Bailey, Martin Carthy, Ewan MacColl, Ian Campbell etc. etc. Not a fascist amongst 'em. These people, and those who came after have a greater love for this country and its people than the nazi-loving wankers in the BNP will ever have. I would recommend a bonfire of their CDs.....oh, bugger, someone else has already had that idea. (Sorry Adolf) I tell you what, let's put them with all the dull and out-of-date hunting songs in a big museum, to which no one will ever go, but we can pop in every one in a while to remind ourselves of the bad old days of the british empire, how much we've left behind, and that, contrary to how it sometimes feels, we have made a great deal of progress as a nation.


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Subject: RE: Review: BNP Record Label Great White Records
From: GUEST,Fullerton
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 03:10 PM

Where was it recorded?

Does it have a distribution deal? ( Pinnacle etc.)


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