Lyr Req: Just as the Tide Was Flowing (Carthy)

Subject: Lyr Req: Just as the Tide was Flowing
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 05:57 PM

Can anyone help me with the words for this AS SUNG BY ELIZA CARTHY? I have found words in the DT, but they are not the same as she sings: there are 2 more verses on the end compared with the version in the DT, as well as some other variations on the way. I'm particularly struggling to make out the last verse, after
"the lady's gold they bandied,
And ..........................will you go
To the public bar where the brandy flows
....................that will do so
Just as the tide was flowing"
The song is on her Anglicana CD.
Thanks in anticipation,
TB

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Just as the Tide was Flowing
From: Peace
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 06:00 PM

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:8hEOx_ASTvoJ:www.informatik.uni-hamburg.de/~zierke/eliza.carthy/songs/justasthetidewasflowing

Words there.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Just as the Tide was Flowing
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 06:09 PM

And in the DT here

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Just as the Tide was Flowing
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 06:15 PM

Thanks to both of you for trying but if you read my posting properly, I have mentioned that I HAVE ALREADY looked in the DT and NOT found the version I wanted. Unfortunately the extra 2 verses are NOT on the above link either.
Help, Eliza, are you aout there somewhere?
TB

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Just as the Tide was Flowing
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 06:16 PM

Sorry, just read your post properly.
Peace's link does not give it either.

I know it as

The ladies gold is handy
Then off with another pretty maid I'll go
To a public house where the beer does flow
Good luck to the maid who will do so
Just as...

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Just as the Tide was Flowing
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 06:21 PM

and previous verse

And as we lay there on the ground
her colours they were changing
She gave a cry and said my dear
Never let your mind be a ranging
heres twenty pounds I have in store
Spend it as you will ther's more
For my jolly sailor I adore
Just as...

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Just as the Tide was Flowing
From: Peace
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 06:28 PM

Sorry.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Just as the Tide was Flowing
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 18 Oct 05 - 07:11 PM

Ah that sounds more like it; thanks a million, Keith, and for the message, Peace.
TB

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Just as the Tide was Flowing
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 01:06 AM

There's a version in Marrow bones, collected from WALTER diment in dorset in 1906 thats a nice version but I can't remember if it's the version Eliza does, her CD is at my other house.
The last verse says:-
                   We both shook hands and off we steer
                   Jack Tar drinks rum and brandy
                   To keep his shipmates in good cheer
                   The lady's gold is handy
                   And along with some other pretty maid I will go
                   To a Public house where the Brandy do flow
                   Success to the maid that will do so
                   Just as the tide is a-flowing

A little different than the version I sing tho' I can't remember where I got my version, probably from a recording of a source singer but then Eliza usually gets it from the source too.
Good Luck
M

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Just as the Tide was Flowing
From: GUEST,yrlancslad
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 01:09 AM

I. don't know why this stupid thing keeps putting down as guest Ive only been on here 2 years! That's me above

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Just as the Tide was Flowing
From: nutty
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 02:18 AM

There are a number of broadsides of this song in the Bodleian Library.

All very similar except for very slight variations.

I've not heard Eliza's version but suspect that she would have gone back to one of these.

Click

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Just as the Tide was Flowing
From: greg stephens
Date: 19 Oct 05 - 09:00 AM

Keith A of Herrtford's post is not the Eliza Carthy (Anglicana) version. The relevant verses on her record are (as far as I can judge, there's a couple of vague bits):

Upon the grass she then did roll
Her colour it kept changing
This pretty maid called out "Alas
Dont let your mind be ranging"
She gave him twenty pounds in store
Saying "Meet me when you will, there's more
For a jolly sailor I adore"
Just as the tide was flowing

So they kissed shook hands and when they part
Jack Tar drank rum and brandy
And to keep his shipmates in good cheer
The lady's gold came handy
And with some other young girl you'll go
To the public bar where the brandy flows
Give me no lad that will do so
Just as the tide was flowing.

I urge anyone who has this record to have a listen to check my transcription. And while doing so, answer this simple question: has the English folk revival produced a more sublime recording than this? If so, lead me to it.

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Just as the Tide was Flowing
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 20 Oct 05 - 08:51 AM

Full lyric and discussion in this thread.

thread.cfm?threadid=8248#50856

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Just as the Tide was Flowing
From: greg stephens
Date: 20 Oct 05 - 08:57 AM

Keith A: an excellent link, thanks, but it doesnt actually take you to the lyrics asked for here. Folksongs have a lot of variants! Eliza Carthy's sings what are essentially Harry Cox's lyrics, with one significant thought-out change, and one inadvertent mangling(I would guess).

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Just as the Tide was Flowing
From: scouse
Date: 20 Oct 05 - 04:27 PM

maybe it's the same as Robin and Barry Dransfield's version on their 1971 Lp "Lord of all I behold."

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Just as the Tide was Flowing
From: GUEST,Chanteyranger
Date: 20 Oct 05 - 05:08 PM

Lancslad, your cookie probably expired. If you log in your name again, that should put you back in the loop.

Chanteyranger

Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Just as the Tide Was Flowing
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 26 Oct 05 - 06:15 PM

Public thanks to Greg and Keith and Peace who have all PM'ed me over this. I think I've got it now!
TB