Getaway 2005 Shanty Singer ID

Subject: Getaway 2005 Shanty Singer ID
From: Charley Noble
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 01:41 PM

As one of the workshop leaders of the Sunday afternoon Shanties Workshop, I'm trying to identify who led the songs I was able to record. Here's my list of shanties in the order they were led, with my best approximation of titles:

GETAWAY 2005 SHANTIES WORKSHOP
Sunday Afternoon
Coordinators: Ken Schatz and Charlie Ipcar

In performance order:

1. Ken Schatz "Stormalong John"
2. Charlie Ipcar (Charley Noble) "Whisky-O"
3. Terry Silver (Leadfingers) "Bold Princess Royal"
4. Dick Rogers "Little Sally Racket"
5. Dave Diamond (Tone-Deaf Dave) "Boston Harbor"
6. Tom Hall (Curmudgeon) "Billy Riley"
7. Edmund (CET) "Santeano"
8. Noreen Keene "Bold Riley-O"
9. Stuart Reynolds "Roll Alabama Roll"
10. Barry Finn "Roller Bowler/Good-Bye You Ladies Fair"
11. "John Kanaka"
12. (Lonesome EJ)"Heave Away Me Johnnies/We're All Bound to Go"
13. Jim Bunch (Gutbucketeer) "Alabama John Cherokee"
14. Bill Day (Bill D) "The Ebenezer"
15. Carole (SussexCarole) "Ilo Man"
16. Andrew McKay (Crane Driver) "Heave Away Boys Heave Away"
17. Dick Rodgers "Haul-Away Joe"
18. Barry Schlesinger "Blood-Red Roses"
19. Severn Savage "Hilo Johnny Brown Stand to Your Ground"
20. Theresa Tooley (treaties1) "Good-Bye My Lover Good-Bye" (a capstan shanty from the Great Lakes Sailors)
21. Dan Schatz"Johnson Girls"
22. Barry Finn " Won't You Help Me to Raise 'Im" (w/Ken Schatz and Theresa Tooley)
23. David Diamond (Tone Deaf Dave) "Haul Away for Rosie-O"
24. Charlie Ipcar (Charley Noble) "Tanqueray Martini-O"
25. Ken Schatz "Johnny Come Down to Hilo"

I would appreciate any help provided. Also please include the Mudcat name if known.

My intention is to provide a MP3 file to anyone who led a song who would like to hear what was recorded, and a complete CD to the other workshop leader. The recording quality varies greatly, depending primarily on how close the singer was to my equipment and how strong a singer he or she was.

This was a very energizing workshop, with an incredible range of songs and singers. I came in knowing I was half asleep and left at the end ready to sing for another 10 hours!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Shanty Singer ID
From: GutBucketeer
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 02:24 PM

I sang John Cherokee. It started pretty weak, but picked up as It got towards the end.

I would love to have an MP3!

Gutbucketeer
Jim Bunch

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Shanty Singer ID
From: GUEST,Nancy King at work
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 02:59 PM

I believe it was David Diamond, who sometimes posts as Tone-Deaf Dave, who sang "Haul Away for Rosie-o." His version of that is on The Boarding Party's 3rd CD, "Too Far From the Shore" (Folk-Legacy Cd-131).

Nancy

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Shanty Singer ID
From: Charley Noble
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 03:23 PM

Jim and Nancy-

Thanks for "tallying on the fall" here.

That only leaves 16 shanties to go!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Shanty Singer ID
From: Charley Noble
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 03:29 PM

No. 15 I believe should be "Isle o' Man/Ellen Vannin"

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Shanty Singer ID
From: treaties1
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 04:11 PM

Hi Charley, I was no 20 a capstan shanty from the Great Lakes Sailors

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Shanty Singer ID
From: Ebbie
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 04:15 PM

Dang. Another workshop I missed. I'm happy with the ones I got to but A Clone! A Clone! My Kingdom for a Clone!

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Shanty Singer ID
From: treaties1
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 04:15 PM

Sorry forgot to give real name and also to say yes I would like an mp3 of it and pretty please one also of no 22 Barry Finn, Ken Shatz and me
Love Theresa

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Shanty Singer ID
From: Severn
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 04:21 PM

Check your PMs I posted some IDs there.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Shanty Singer ID
From: Charley Noble
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 04:26 PM

Theresa-

I hear you loud and clear! ;~)

Send me a PM with your e-mail address.

I'm not sure if there is an issue with collaborative efforts, if the other major singers need to sign off before I release an MP3. I doubt if the folks in this case would object but I plan to be cautious and request PM or e-mail releases (if you have my e-mail address) before I send out a collaborative MP3. (No, you sea lawyers, that doesn't mean that the entire chorus has to sign off!)

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Shanty Singer ID
From: Charley Noble
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 04:28 PM

Severn-

Check your PM's. I've already thanked you! ;~)

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Shanty Singer ID
From: SussexCarole
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 04:36 PM

No 15    I sang Ilo Man (Ilo being in South America rather than Hilo in Hawaii).

This was collected from William Fender by James Carpenter while he was here in Wales! The arrangement I sang was by Callenig - alias Pat Smith & Mick Tems.

Thanks Charlie, I look forward to the recording

Regards Carole

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Shanty Singer ID
From: SussexCarole
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 04:41 PM

...oops I spelt Calennig wrong (getting too used to all the Lllll's and Nnnnnnn's here)

Carole... in Llangennith....see what I mean!

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Shanty Singer ID
From: Bill D
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 04:48 PM

I was guilty of "The Ebenezer"

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Shanty Singer ID
From: Charley Noble
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 04:48 PM

SussexCarole-

So "Ilo Man" is a different song than "Isle of Man/Ellen Vannin." I knew I was in trouble on this one.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Shanty Singer ID
From: Charley Noble
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 05:43 PM

Here's the latest update:

GETAWAY 2005 SHANTIES WORKSHOP
Sunday Afternoon
Coordinators: Ken Schatz and Charlie Ipcar

In performance order:

1. Ken Schatz "Stormalong John"
2. Charlie Ipcar (Charley Noble) "Whisky-O"
3. Terry Silver (Leadfingers)"Bold Princess Royal"
4. Dick Rogers "Little Sally Racket"
5. Dave Diamond (Tone-Deaf Dave) "Boston Harbor"
6. Tom Hall (Curmudgeon) "Billy Riley"
7. "Santeano"
8. "Bold Riley-O"
9. "Roll Alabama Roll"
10. Barry Finn "Roller Bowler/Good-Bye You Ladies Fair"
11. "John Kanaka"
12. "Heave Away Me Johnnies/We're All Bound to Go"
13. Jim Bunch (Gutbucketeer)"Alabama John Cherokee"
14. Bill Day "Ebenezer"
15. Carole (SussexCarole) "Ilo Man"
16."Heave Away Boys Heave Away"
17. "Haul-Away Joe"
18. "Blood-Red Roses"
19. Severn Savage "Hilo Johnny Brown Stand to Your Ground"
20. Theresa (Treaties1) "Good-Bye My Lover Good-Bye"
21. "Johnson Girls"
22. Barry Finn " Won't You Help Me to Raise 'Im"
23. Dave Diamond (Tone-Deaf Dave) "Haul Away for Rosie-O"
24. Charlie Ipcar (Charley Noble) "Tanqueray Martini-O"
25. Ken Schatz "Johnny Come Down to Hilo"

Thanks for all the help.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Shanty Singer ID
From: Crane Driver
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 06:39 PM

Number 16 (Heave away boys, heave away) was by me myself (Andrew McKay). It's based on a shanty in one of Stan Hugill's books, though it's been "bent" and Swansified in the passage of time, in true shantyman fashion. One verse mentions Brynhyfryd, a part of Swansea near the docks. You can see what Carole means about Welsh spelling!

Andrew

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Shanty Singer ID
From: Bill D
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 06:44 PM

*trying to think* I don't seem to have pics of the shanty workshop...could it have been Tim Slattery who did "Bold Riley"? He is known for that one locally...

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Shanty Singer ID
From: Charley Noble
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 08:03 PM

Excellent! We're closing in on this one.

I'll be launching a new thread soon with regard to ID's for George Ward's The Sea and Other Waters Workshop. Really, someone should have led "They're Moving Father's Grave to Build a Sewer."

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Shanty Singer ID
From: Leadfingers
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 08:36 PM

Charley - A recording of the Shanty Sing would be great - And I have no problem with you letting people hear my effort , even if it wasnt actually a shanty !

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Shanty Singer ID
From: Charley Noble
Date: 27 Oct 05 - 09:30 PM

Terry-

It was a fine rendition of a "forebitter" and one of my favorites but we were encouraging work songs with choruses, the shanties. not the whole shanty sing which I'm unsure that I'm authorized to do.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Shanty Singer ID
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Oct 05 - 03:53 PM

I think 9 is Stu Reynolds,and poss 8 is Noreen Keene

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Shanty Singer ID
From: Charley Noble
Date: 28 Oct 05 - 04:49 PM

Could the last GUEST please provide some ID so I know who is making suggestions.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Shanty Singer ID
From: Ken Schatz
Date: 28 Oct 05 - 09:33 PM

Thanks Charley et al!

Didn't Dick Rodgers lead Haul Away Joe upon someone's request? I could be imagining that. I believe my brother Dan sang Johnson Girls with Gusto.

Ken

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Shanty Singer ID
From: Charley Noble
Date: 29 Oct 05 - 10:58 AM

Ken-

Who is "Gusto"?

Only 4 shanties outstanding on the deck:

7. "Santeano"
11. "John Kanaka"
12. "Heave Away Me Johnnies/We're All Bound to Go"
18. "Blood-Red Roses"

That's not bad considering how confusing such a large workshop can be.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Shanty Singer ID
From: GUEST,Noreen
Date: 29 Oct 05 - 08:59 PM

Yep Charley, anonymous Guest was correct: Bold Riley-O was me and Alabama was Stewart.
Had a grest sing, thanks! Must do it again sometime...

Bill, do I really sound/look like Tim Slattery?!

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Shanty Singer ID
From: GUEST,Noreen
Date: 29 Oct 05 - 09:04 PM

Was 'Blood red roses' sung by Gorgeous Gary? My memory's not what it was....

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Shanty Singer ID
From: Charley Noble
Date: 29 Oct 05 - 09:10 PM

Noreen-

Thanks.

You may be right about Gorgeous Gary leading "Blood-Red Roses." I remember cautioning him that was potentially a self-destructive song.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Shanty Singer ID
From: JennyO
Date: 29 Oct 05 - 11:34 PM

Hi Charley. Could I ask for an MP3 for me and John? You have our email address, I think.

Jenny

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Shanty Singer ID
From: CET
Date: 30 Oct 05 - 02:07 PM

Charlie:

Santiano was my first song. I also did Pique la Baleine later in the session.

I have no objection at all to you including my humble efforts on your compilation.

Edmund

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Shanty Singer ID
From: Charley Noble
Date: 30 Oct 05 - 03:06 PM

Jenny-

I have a request in with the FSGW organizers with regard to burning workshop CD's. It's their call.

Edmund-

"Pique la Baleine" you're right of course. I better recheck the file and figure out where it is, or how to pin it down so to speak.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Shanty Singer ID
From: Lonesome EJ
Date: 30 Oct 05 - 07:33 PM

Charley

That was myself on number 12.

LEJ

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Shanty Singer ID
From: Charley Noble
Date: 30 Oct 05 - 07:45 PM

Thanks LEJ!

No one has confessed to leading "John Kanaka." Any suggestions?

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Shanty Singer ID
From: Mick Tems
Date: 30 Oct 05 - 09:45 PM

Thank you, SussexCarole, about your rendition of Ilo Man. It was noted by the American James Madison Carpenter from William Fender, of 16, Sydenham Street, Barry, South Wales, later given the name of Coronation Street. In 1928, Carpenter journeyed to Barry and Cardiff where he recorded 50 shanties and sea songs off six sailors, the most prolific being Fender with 22 songs. Carpenter was always strapped for cash, so he invented this money-saving system - He had a primitive disc recording machine, so he would record the source, make a careful note of it, and "scratch" the disc so it could be used again. It's a minor miracle that so many of the South Wales shanties survived as sound recordings. Look up Rees Baldwin, a sailor who was Carpenter's main contact(and Mayor of Barry) - I've written a stage play about him.

Calennig always meant that Trade Winds would be one of a series, but then I had my stroke. so it put paid to that. Ilo Man goes:

There's a ship in full sail, and it's out upon river,
Way-hay, you Ilo Man!
There's a ship in full sail, and it's out upon the river,
Way-ay you Ilo man!

Some have linked it to an American shanty called Huckleberry Hunting - that's it... I'm too tired to go on!

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Shanty Singer ID
From: Ferrara
Date: 31 Oct 05 - 12:25 AM

I've written a preliminary PM to Charley about my understanding of the fine points of distributing people's Getaway recordings but am also checking it out with various FSGW people just to be sure.

The quick general answer, which is only my opinion at this point, is that if anyone wants to distribute (free, or at cost, or to benefit Mudcat and/or FSGW) any recordings made at the FSGW Getaway, you just need to have the singer's documented permission; a PM or e-mail should do. As a courtesy it may be a good idea to let them hear an MP3 of the recording before asking them to OK it!

If I hear any differently, I'll let everyone know what I learn.

Rita

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Shanty Singer ID
From: GUEST,Stuart
Date: 31 Oct 05 - 07:19 AM

Confirm what Noreen says Charlie, number 9 Alabama was me and you are welcome to use the recording in any way you choose. Thanks for a good session and indeed a good "Getaway". If you ever fancy trying one of our British Shanty Festivals you will always be welcome to stay with Nor and me.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Shanty Singer ID
From: Charley Noble
Date: 31 Oct 05 - 08:52 AM

Dr. price-

Thanks for the extra notes on SussexCarole's rendition of "Ilo Man." It's an unusual song and quite lovely. I suspect that "Huckleberry Hunting" which shares the melody and a verse or two was a newer "parody" that the Maine sailors from the Cranberry Isles put together for their own amusement.

Ferrara-

I proceed with caution, knowing full well that someone may have misgivings about releasing a recording of what was led. That's fine with me. Just speak up or PM me!

Stuart-

My wife and I will be wandering around the UK next fall and we will certainly ask you about likely sessions to sing at. We'll do Sharp's in London for sure, Bristol, and then work our way up the coast of Wales. But you need to register as a Mudcat member so we can keep track of you.

Cheerily,
Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Shanty Singer ID
From: Bill D
Date: 31 Oct 05 - 09:29 PM

got a message:   Barry Schlesinger says he "was the one who did "Blood Red Roses", or rather lined it out, as once it got
started, everybody else was singing loud enough on the
refrain that I didn't have too. I asked Ken Schatz,
since I had just walked in, if it had been done, and
he said it had not and invited me to."

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Shanty Singer ID
From: Charley Noble
Date: 01 Nov 05 - 08:33 PM

Thanks, Bill.

Well, that just leaves "John Kanaka" still hanging in the air, so to speak. It could be worse!

Cheerily,
Charley Noble