Getaway 2005 Permissions Request

Subject: Getaway 2005 Permissions Request
From: Ebbie
Date: 30 Oct 05 - 06:14 PM

As some of you know, I recorded a great deal of the Getaway. (Unfortunately, only those venues I attended!) The recordings are not perfect but they are very listen-able and serve very well as a souvenir. Or for learning new songs, which is my own priority. There are many distinctive songs and beautiful voices. Many, many thanks to all of you.

On a separate thread I'm going to post indexes of songs for which I need the name(s) of the major song leaders on individual songs. I'm hoping that others who recorded will post theirs also. Maybe we'll start a new thing.

I WILL be posting both the Saturday Night and the Sunday Night concerts, even though I already have the participants' names, from Charlie Baums's list, because I want to post each song title. To the best of my ability- in many cases I couldn't be sure what the title was and went instead with the recurring theme or repeated line. I hope people will make corrections so I can get the proper name on each.

(I'm not posting the mini concerts, because the singer is a given. They however will be part of the eventual CDs.)

I'm at the stage now where I need permission to include individual songs on the CDs. After the names are named and I have the corrections made and after anybody who does not wish to be included has let me know, I will take the minidiscs to a tech shop and have them burnt onto CDs. After that is done, I will make a copy for anyone who wishes one. The only cost to you will be postage- handling is part of MY fun!

As I said, the recordings are not perfect. I held the microphone above one raised arm and every time I switched hands because of fatigue, the mic picked up the 'wind' of movement. NEXT year I will have a lightweight, thin mic stand that will be a lot more stable. (I can hardly wait!)


Eb

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Permissions Request
From: Leadfingers
Date: 30 Oct 05 - 06:23 PM

Ebbie - You are welcome to use ANY of my contributions to the weekend in what ever way you wish ! And YES!! I Do Want a Copy !!!!




I'll probably even be prepared to pay REAL money !!!

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Permissions Request
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 30 Oct 05 - 06:32 PM

me too
G..

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Permissions Request
From: Crane Driver
Date: 30 Oct 05 - 06:38 PM

Yes from me too, on both counts - use anything of mine you wish, and I'll take a copy.

Andrew

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Permissions Request
From: rumanci
Date: 30 Oct 05 - 06:50 PM

Hi Ebbie
I suspect I coincided with the "wind" of movement - LOL
but I'll sign up in advance for some copies
rum x

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Permissions Request
From: Ebbie
Date: 30 Oct 05 - 07:15 PM

Wow! This is the kind of response I was hoping for!

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Permissions Request
From: Charley Noble
Date: 30 Oct 05 - 07:18 PM

Ebbie-

You are welcome to record any of the songs I led.

Charley Noble

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Permissions Request
From: jacqui.c
Date: 30 Oct 05 - 07:45 PM

Ebbie, you're a wonderful person!

I'd like to sign up for a copy please, and no problems with permission here.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Permissions Request
From: treaties1
Date: 30 Oct 05 - 07:49 PM

Whether I'm included or not permission granted and please put me doen for a copy.
Theresa

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Permissions Request
From: SINSULL
Date: 30 Oct 05 - 08:24 PM

Me! Me! I want one.
Note:
I have seen the recording of Sunday night's doings in the cafeteria and will pay any amount of money for all the copies to be destroyed and the original given to me.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Permissions Request
From: Leadfingers
Date: 30 Oct 05 - 08:27 PM

I will go along with SINSULL's request , providing I can have a copy too ( If only for purposes of Blackmail !)

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Permissions Request
From: Ebbie
Date: 30 Oct 05 - 08:32 PM

I didn't use video, Sins. *BG*

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Permissions Request
From: Amos
Date: 30 Oct 05 - 08:40 PM

I doubt I show up on anything you recorded, Ebb, but feel free, no worries, if I did.


A

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Permissions Request
From: KT
Date: 30 Oct 05 - 08:47 PM

Permission granted for mine, Ebbie. My only request is that in the editing process, if possible, please leave in the authors of the songs where they are mentioned. I sang a few songs here and there by other people and I would prefer they were credited. Thanks for taking this project on! You will make lots of folks very happy! I can't wait to hear it!
xox
KT

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Permissions Request
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 30 Oct 05 - 08:47 PM

Be my guest, Ebbie

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Permissions Request
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Oct 05 - 09:04 PM

Count me in, Eb...

Unless you recorded me tryin' to get KT up to speed with that Blind Lemon Jefferson song, "Keep My Grave Kept Clean"... I'd hate to get a CD where I'z, ahhhhh, firin' a potential bandmate... It's bad 'nuff to have done it but to have folks hear it??? Horrors X's a million....

Bobert

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Permissions Request
From: Severn
Date: 30 Oct 05 - 09:07 PM

I'll be interested in aquiring one.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Permissions Request
From: Dani
Date: 30 Oct 05 - 09:20 PM

Can have.

Will want.

Will pay.

xo

Dani

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Permissions Request
From: karen k
Date: 30 Oct 05 - 10:01 PM

Hi, Ebbie. I would love one. I don't think you got me at all but permission granted if you did. Can't wait. You are a treasure. Love ya.

karen

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Permissions Request
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 30 Oct 05 - 10:40 PM

Mo problem about permissions, Ebbie, good work!

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Permissions Request
From: GUEST,KT
Date: 30 Oct 05 - 10:52 PM

Yeah, Bobert, a person could write a song about gettin' fired from a blues band....they sure could. It'd be a very sad song indeed. Kinda like singing the blues....ah, I get it, that was your intent all along, you sly dog you!!!

KT

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Permissions Request
From: Tinker
Date: 30 Oct 05 - 10:53 PM

Ebbie I doubt I'm in any of your recordings, but you've got my permission and perhaps we could swap for a bit of video (the one SINSULL wants destroyed)

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Permissions Request
From: Ferrara
Date: 31 Oct 05 - 12:12 AM

Don't think I'm in any of the sessions you recorded but if I am, of course you have permission to use it for anything except blackmail. The same goes for anything else I sang on Getaway weekend that anyone recorded.

Rita

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Permissions Request
From: skarpi
Date: 31 Oct 05 - 01:44 AM

Dear Ebbie , you are very welcome to use any recording from my part , I would like a copy even though I have to payfor it.
All the best Skarpi Iceland.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Permissions Request
From: Catherine Jayne
Date: 31 Oct 05 - 06:17 AM

Ebbie...please can I have a copy?...not in any of the recordings though but it will be nice to have for memories sake!....I'll send payment, just PM me all the details..

Tinker....is is possible to put the video onto a CD rom?? If so coudl I have a copy?? Let me know where to send payment details to!

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Permissions Request
From: nutty
Date: 31 Oct 05 - 06:42 AM

Can I suggest that you talk of "giving a donation" rather than "paying". The latter may raise copyright issues.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Permissions Request
From: Allan C.
Date: 31 Oct 05 - 06:43 AM

Ebbie, you can certainly use anything of mine that you may have recorded. I, too, am wanting a copy. (Wow! This is really adding up, isn't it!) I know that any of the folks who hear it will be grateful for the diligence with which you recorded so much of such a great event. Thanks!

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Permissions Request
From: jimmyt
Date: 31 Oct 05 - 06:47 AM

Ebbie I would be delighted to purchase a copy and certainly have no problems with permission!

KT. I will begin writing the Unfit for the Blues BLues, the Story of one ALaskan woman who tried and failed to make the cut into the pedestrians...God, it makes me weep just thinking about it!

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Permissions Request
From: Bat Goddess
Date: 31 Oct 05 - 07:18 AM

I don't know if you caught me singing at all, but if you did, you definitely have permission for the recording.

Please, please, please, I'd love a copy, too -- will pay cost, make donation, whatever.

I record a lot of the sessions I'm involved in around this neck of the woods -- singarounds, parties, etc. -- and know full well the quality is nowhere near commercial -- but for song learning or just encapsulating a weekend of memories, wow! what a wonderful thing!

Linn

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Permissions Request
From: Roger in Baltimore
Date: 31 Oct 05 - 08:04 AM

Ebbie,

You can distribute anything I did that you caught on tape. I live a clean life and I have no fear. I would also love a copy.

Roger in Baltimore

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Permissions Request
From: Bobert
Date: 31 Oct 05 - 08:21 AM

Hey, wait just a dog-gone minute, JimmyT... You did just fine playin' in the band... No, this is definately KT's song to write...

Sniff...

Ya' know, it wouldn't have been so bad if I had just fired KT but no, I had to go and hire Lonesome EJ in the same breath...

Oh, the guilt...

Sniff...

Bobert

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Permissions Request
From: Janie
Date: 31 Oct 05 - 08:31 AM

Permission granted

Copy requested.

Advise $$ amount.

Hug in the mail already.

Janie

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Permissions Request
From: MMario
Date: 31 Oct 05 - 08:34 AM

what Janie said.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Permissions Request
From: Barry Finn
Date: 31 Oct 05 - 09:29 AM

Permission granted here if you have me & want it. Barry

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Permissions Request
From: GutBucketeer
Date: 31 Oct 05 - 09:33 AM

Permission Granted - Would love recordings - Will pay

JAB

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Permissions Request
From: Amos
Date: 31 Oct 05 - 09:54 AM

I woke up bright and happy
With the rising of the sun
I did not know that by that night
My happiness would be undone,

I got the blooooooz
Got the fired-from-the-blues-band bluuuuuuues.
I dunno whether to cry or to scream
That bluesman was so meeaaaaan
I go them fired-from-the-blues band bluueeees. I mean,

Fired from the Pedestrian
For being too equestrian
Fired from the Blues Band
SIdewalk Bob an' his Blues Band
Fired from the Blues Band
Bluuuuuuues!

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Permissions Request
From: Ebbie
Date: 31 Oct 05 - 11:58 AM

Oh, Amos, you captured her feelings exactly. She mopes daily. Haveing a vent for her feelings should help.

I love the response to the recordings and I'll list everybody who wants a copy. Keep in mind that they're not ready yet. I'm going through this process first - and I still have one Index thread to post. This one will be called something like 'Third of Three' so it doesn't get too confusing.

After that - and so far I haven't gotten one demand not to be included! - is when I'll take the minidiscs to be put onto CDs. After that, I'll buy some mailers and we're on our way.

I'll PM each one for a mailing address, but not yet.

As I said, the only cost to anyone who wants a copy will be postage, probably rounded off to a simple figure. I appreciate your offer to 'pay' or make a donation but it ain't needed, folks.

Maybe next year, other people will record the workshops they attended- since the Cloning Department didn't fulfill their contract this year, there's a lot that I missed.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Permissions Request
From: MMario
Date: 31 Oct 05 - 12:02 PM

Ebbie - "not nececessary" maybe - but I think a contribution to the FSGW Scholarship fund and/or the Mudcat would certainly be appropriate.

I will certainly do so.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Permissions Request
From: GUEST,Anonymous Guest
Date: 31 Oct 05 - 02:17 PM

you most definately do not have my permission to reproduce anything I performed, had I performed anything.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Permissions Request
From: Ebbie
Date: 31 Oct 05 - 02:39 PM

Anonymous Guest, I'll keep that in mind. :)

Mmario- great idea!

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Permissions Request
From: Dani
Date: 31 Oct 05 - 03:00 PM

KT does NOT "mope daily". I ain't buying it, no matter what you say.

Dani

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Permissions Request
From: Janie
Date: 31 Oct 05 - 03:26 PM

Yes, but Dani, does she mop daily? (hope not--I hate being shown up in all departments;O)

Janie

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Permissions Request
From: SussexCarole
Date: 31 Oct 05 - 04:07 PM

No problems Ebbie, and yes please to a copy of all of your recordings.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Permissions Request
From: KathWestra
Date: 31 Oct 05 - 07:16 PM

Fine to copy (Sat. concert, Helen Schneyer workshop)
Would like a copy, for sure.
Let us know how much for postage (and I assume you'd like an address too!)
Thanks!
Kathy

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Permissions Request
From: Maryrrf
Date: 31 Oct 05 - 07:27 PM

You have my permission to include anything I performed and I would want a copy. I like the suggestion of setting up a FSGW/Mudcat fund of some sort and would be willing to pay, donate, contribute or whatever we want to call it.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Permissions Request
From: Fortunato
Date: 31 Oct 05 - 08:52 PM

Ebbie,

If you've recorded us please feel free to handle it in any way you see fit.

love
chance

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Permissions Request
From: KT
Date: 01 Nov 05 - 12:02 AM

Shown up? Not in any departments at all, that I know of, Janie, gospel singer extraordinaire!!!!! As for mopping, Dani, definitely not daily!! There's just too much music to be made!!!!

KT

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Permissions Request
From: Ferrara
Date: 01 Nov 05 - 12:13 AM

I posted this in the 3rd and final setlist thread, but I think it belongs here.

Ron Davies named the authors of several songs he sang at the Getaway, then said, "I definitely have no objection to being recorded, but I have no idea of copyright considerations."

That started me thinking about something Bill pointed out, namely that there's a difference between distributing modern songs and trad songs. Here's what I wrote:

"Ron, copyright is a question I have started wondering about.... If a CD full of recordings is all Trad, or stuff written by the singer (who has already given permission) the question doesn't come up. If it's by other authors, though ... Some would be fine with it if no money changes hands (except actual costs), others might well not!

In a way, if there's a great song by a songwriter who wasn't at the Getaway, and it's not a song that's commonly heard, I think it's nicer, to say the least, to learn the song from buying the author's CD rather than by recording someone's version of it. In fact that's what I did, for one of my "I-must-learn-that" songs from the Getaway. (For another one, I asked the author and he said it's published on Mudcat.)

Just something to consider. It's hard enough, logistically, just getting permissions from the singers. It's harder to figure out which songs were written by whom and/or are still under copyright. But maybe we should at least try? (I don't want to make even more work and complications for Ebbie but do feel we should do our best to keep this both legal and fair)"

Any thoughts?

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Permissions Request
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 Nov 05 - 12:29 AM

Ah, but moping- KT is going to have to learn how to do that properly. (What is a proper mope, BTW?)

Kath Westra, sorry to say I didn't get to the Schneyer concert. There are so many things I missed. I lay it at the door of the Cloning Department- I never had any indication that they had any success in their efforts. I suggest we withhold the money they were promised. (Notice I refer to 'them', so that no individual will feel too bad about it.)

                         IMPORTANT NOTE:

This is as good a time and place as any to post some disclaimers. I have mentioned that I missed a great many workshops and mini concerts- the only things that I reliably heard as well as anyone else are the two major concerts. The rest- well, I'm just glad I got to as many things as I did. Maybe next year some other people will also record. My own recording quality next year should be better- I plan to acquire a tall, thin microphone stand, so as to eliminate the 'wind howl' in the mic whenever I exchanged arms. (Speaking of 'tall and thin', Bobert and his hat did a good job of being a mic stand but I kept losing him.)

The other disclaimer I have to admit is that in listening - and listening and listening - to the discs, is that in addition to erasing the down time and the talk and prolonged applause, I had to erase a number of cuts. Some were too far away to be properly audible, in some the surroundings were just a bit too enthusiastic and some I 'lost' inadvertently in the learning process. This is what happened when you notice there is a song missing that you know you performed in a workshop or mini concert. I remember one time I lost a song I dearly wanted to keep - and in erasing a bit of extraneous talk- I lost it. Swearing and stomping around doesn't bring it back, I found.

Reminds me of what a boss of mine said of me once (I was VERY young.*G*) He said, somewhere between ruefulness and admiration: 'Ebbie' never makes the same mistake twice. But she makes every one of them.')

In spite of all these blips and glitches on these recordings, however, there is a lot of good stuff there.

Subject: RE: Getaway 2005 Permissions Request
From: Charlie Baum
Date: 01 Nov 05 - 12:54 AM

Permission is granted for anything I sang at the Getaway, and any of my introductions, emceeing, explanations, and explications which may have been captured on recording to be reproduced.

If anyone taped me leading "Fountain FIlled With Blood" at the Helen Schneyer workshop--that's the one thing I'd like to hear myself to see if the recording captured anything like what I was perceiving.

--Charlie Baum