History/Info wanted

Subject: History/Info wanted
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Date: 13 Jan 99 - 08:45 AM

Hi all

I am looking for information om the following two tunes The Battle of Auchrin (Augrin?)and the Star Above The Garter Anyone know : 1. The Correct spelling of Auchrin, where it is, when and who wrote the tune and any other details.

2. are they both Irish tunes

3. Any info/written music etc at all on these tunes. Thanks in advance. Bev Lawton

Subject: RE: History/Info wanted
From: alison
Date: 13 Jan 99 - 05:44 PM

Hi Bev,

It is Aughrim. There are three Aughrims in Ireland, (one in each of Counties Clare, Galway and Wexford.)

The one you're looking for is the on is in County Galway.

According to my book....

"The small village takes its name from a battle fought on a nearby ridge in 1691. Protestant Williamite forces defeated mainly Catholic Irish and Frenchforces, determining the future course of Irish history."

Don't know about the other tune. Have you actually got the tunes or do you need the music?

Slainte

alison

Subject: RE: History/Info wanted
From: Jo TaylorJo Taylor
Date: 13 Jan 99 - 05:59 PM

I've got the music for 'Star above the Garter' - do you want dots or ABCs?
It's in one or more of the searchable tune databases go hereto download ABC files.
(Did I get that right, Joe?)

Jo

Subject: RE: History/Info wanted
From: johnmjohnm (inactive)
Date: 13 Jan 99 - 06:44 PM

From an earlier thread.. After Aughrim's great disaster, When the foe in sooth was master, Twas you who first rushed in and swam the Shannon's fearful flood, And through Slieveloom's dark passes, You wove your gallowglasses, Although the hungry Saxon wolves were howling for our blood. And as you crossed Tip'rary, You rised the Clan O'Leary, And drove a crack before them as their horsemen onward came, With our swords and spears we gored them, As through flood and light we bored them, Ah, but Sean o Duibhir an Ghleanna, we were worsted in the game.

Long, long we kept the hillside, Our couch hard by the rill-side, The sturdy knotted oaken bough our curtain overhead, The summer's blaze we laughed at, The winter snows we scoffed at, And trusted in our long steel swords to win us daily bread. Til the Dutchman's troops came round us, With fire and sword they bound us, They fired the woods and mountains til the very clouds were flame, Yet our sharped swords cut through them In their very hearts we hewed them, Ah, but Sean O Duibhir an Ghleanna, we were worsted in the game.

Here's a health to your and my king, The monarch of our liking, And to Sarsfield underneath whose flag, we'll cast once more a chance, For the morning dawn will wing us Across the sea and bring us, To take our stand and wield a brand among the sons of France, And though we part in sorrow, Still Sean O Duibhir an Ghleanna, Our prayer is God save Ireland and pour blessings on her name, May her sons be true and needed, May they never feel as we did, Ah, Sean o Duibhir an Ghleanna, we were worsted in the game. Written by Patrick Augustine Canon Sheehan (d. 1913) and as sung by Kevin Mitchell. (Caution: the odd word may be wrong.)

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Subject: RE: after aughrim's great disaster From: Annraoi Date: 02-Dec-98 - 07:46 PM

Originally "Seán Ó Duibhir a' Ghleanna". A typical Victorian rendition despite its 20th. Cent provenance. Some words may be misleading:- "crack" = creach = a martial raid for plunder esp. cattle. "Slieveloom" = Slieve Bloom = range of Mountains in Co. Tipperary. "Clan" = Clann = strictly speaking the children of the family. The Scottish concept of "Clan" sits uncomfortably, I think, on Irish shoulders. "our sharped(sic!) swords" = Shar-ped or sharpen'd to get the metre right. Metrically, this version - though not by any means traditional - follows the original Gaelic very well

Will put down the words for 'After Aughrim's Great Disaster' or 'Sean O'Dhuir a Gleanna' tomorrow. There is a great recording of it sung by The Voice Squad on Liam O'Flynn's CD, "Out to Another Side." It is a super song. You have fine taste.

The classic useful collections of Irish folk song in the English language are Colm O Lochlainn's Irish Street Ballads and Sam Henry's Songs of the People. If you want a collection of "pub songs," then get Soodlum's Irish Ballad Book distributed by Oak Publications in the USA. There are books on singing style too but nothing beats listening to a lot of good singers.

All the best, Dan Milner

Susan-Marie, "Traditional Songs & Singers" put out by Comhaltas Ceoltoiri Eireann & prepared by Seamus Mac Mathuna (1977) is quite a book. The collection of singers is unbelievable, Paddy Tunney, Geordie Hanna & sister Sarah Anne O'Neill, Sarah & Rita Keane ( Aunts of Dolores), Siney Crotty. Tomas O Coisdealbha (Tom Phaidin Tom, as famed & respected in his home county of Conamara as Joe Heaney was abroad), Micheal O Suilleabhain, Liam Weldon, Elizabeth Cronin, Len Graham & plenty more. It dicusses their style of singing the tradition of the song (post Gaelic, national songs, street songs, etc). It also goes into inerpretation & a discussion on the songs that each contruibted. The only problem would be on how to get a hold of the book. Maybe some of the better informed Irish here could help. Good luck. Barry

Subject: RE: History/Info wanted
From: Bev lawtonBev Lawton
Date: 13 Jan 99 - 06:45 PM

Many thanks for the info - at least I can spell it now! I would like the music for both please - dots preferably. I actually "know" the tunes from sessions/memory but there are some missing bits I would like to clarify. Usually depends on how many pints of Guinness I've had before sarting the memory mode! I usually play this on the mandolin/mandola with my mate on Scottish small pipes but I got a Low D whistle for Xmas and want to play all the notes! Thanks - Bev Lawton

Subject: RE: History/Info wanted
From: Jo TaylorJo Taylor
Date: 13 Jan 99 - 07:14 PM

Go to the site I linked above and get the ABCs, then use ABC2WIN to convert to dots.

Subject: RE: History/Info wanted
From: Bev lawtonBev Lawton
Date: 13 Jan 99 - 07:54 PM

Jo - many thanks. Ive been to the site and downloaded ABC2WIN, liked it so much I've even registered (and paid for)a copy. Never knew this ABC thing existed - it's going to save me hours of work plus opened a whole new source of tunes etc. Thanks again! Bev Lawton

Subject: RE: History/Info wanted
From: Jo Taylor
Date: 14 Jan 99 - 06:05 PM

It's wonderful isn't it? I couldn't stop telling all my friends (musical or not) how I'd found this great program!