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Subject: Obit: America died today...
From: GUEST,Peter Woodruff
Date: 05 Nov 05 - 12:59 PM

oeWith all... and with all that has been going on in US politics lately we are disheartened to learn that America died today of ethical failure...A disease of the heart, spirit and integrety of the correct way to be and live. We have seen it all happen before us over many years...America is dead officially dead today. Revolution Now!
I want America Back! I want America back the way it used to be!

Peter Woodruff
24 South River Road
Arrowsic, Maine 04530

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today...
From: Amos
Date: 05 Nov 05 - 01:03 PM

Jeeze, Peter, it ain't dead by a long margin; just needs a little more air, water and sunlight, and a good deal less fertilizer, and it'll be right.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today...
From: Jeri
Date: 05 Nov 05 - 01:15 PM

I'd just like it if people didn't think their own soapbox was important enough to stick under the same heading as:

Obit: Will Keys - 4 Nov 2005        
Obit: Dave Bryant        
Obit: Sean Blackburn (Sept 05)
Obit: Rosa Lee Parks 10/2005         
Obit: Jacqueline (Jacqui) Walker (11 May 2003)
Obit: Bonnie Jones (Oct 2005)
Obit: Mike Ryan. The Fiddler..
Obit: Charles Causley - Poet & Author

Talk about ethical failure! People completely forget about compassion if it might interfere with their freedom of expression.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today...
From: GUEST,Peter Woodruff
Date: 05 Nov 05 - 01:18 PM

Amos,
   As an organic farmer, in my spare time, I use only organic shit to fertilize my gardens. I do not use my own shits to fertilize my own gardens!

Woodyat12

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today...
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Nov 05 - 01:30 PM

then dont spread it on us either

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today...
From: Teribus
Date: 05 Nov 05 - 02:17 PM

What??? Today??? At what time??? what was the cause???

Utter rubbish, Guest Peter Woodruff, you got nothing better to do with your time?

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today...
From: Don Firth
Date: 05 Nov 05 - 02:32 PM

Ethically, the United States government has been moribund for some time now. Under the aegis of the Bush administration, the death-rattle is almost deafening.

As the "moral leader of the world," methinks that title has long since moved elsewhere. To be a "moral leader" requires that one have a moral or two. And to lead, one need remember that people are like a strand of spaghetti. It's far more effective to lead it than it is to push it.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today...
From: Peace
Date: 05 Nov 05 - 02:39 PM

Only half the people have leadership. The other half have an enemy in the White House.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today...
From: mg
Date: 05 Nov 05 - 03:34 PM

there are still signs of life in Long Beach Wa ....I went to the Dennis Co., our only real store, watched the big screen t.v., looked for solar lanterns and a new clothes dryer and sat in one of those massage chairs....the ladies from the VFW were selling tickets to raffle a quilt, a little girl was sneaking free coffee...the rain is raining, ...basically we are still OK here. mg

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today...
From: freda underhill
Date: 05 Nov 05 - 03:40 PM

good thread, peter.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today...
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 05 Nov 05 - 06:23 PM

I want America back the way it used to be!

When? (What I mean is, there've been an awful lot of different way it's been over the last couple of hundred years, some much more admirable than others. Which is, of course, something it has in common with other countries.)

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today...
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 05 Nov 05 - 06:30 PM

If the American Gov't and the Republic are dead, can we claim the back taxes please?

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today...
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 05 Nov 05 - 07:16 PM

Maybe it calls for a nice cup of tea all round.

Subject: It seems to be coming back to life . . . .
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Nov 05 - 07:23 PM

I think the dead are going to invade Syria within a month or so.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today...
From: leftydee
Date: 05 Nov 05 - 07:52 PM

Peter,

Bankrupt on many levels, yes; but my America is a shining idea that can't be killed. I don't want it back the way it used to be either, I want it the way it could/should be.

Lefty

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today...
From: Jeri
Date: 05 Nov 05 - 07:56 PM

GUEST, THAT was funny.

Richard Bridge, all the taxpayers would be deceased too. Why is it 'DEceased' and not just 'ceased'. 'De' usually means the opposite (like when you deflower somebody you make them not flowered anymore), which would make the dead all un. I'm an American and I'm pretty sure I have not fallen off my perch. I just get quiet sometimes.

Also, ask a sample population from a other countries. They'll probably tell you that the dead aren't as irritating as we Americans usually are.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today...
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Nov 05 - 08:32 PM

pardon my cynicism at the silly, presumptuous nature of the topic.

or don't pardon it...I will remain cynical.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today...
From: Peace
Date: 05 Nov 05 - 08:34 PM

I can't really imaging you being cynical, Bill. Don't fit the picture.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today...
From: Bill D
Date: 05 Nov 05 - 09:13 PM

♫"Time has made a change in me"♫

how about grumpy? Can you picture me grumpy?

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today...
From: Peace
Date: 05 Nov 05 - 09:14 PM

Yep. Grumpy fits the picture. But also always a gentleman and always brilliant.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today...
From: GUEST,Ingrid Frances Stark
Date: 05 Nov 05 - 11:04 PM

"Only half the people have leadership. The other half have an enemy in the White House."

Only half the people think they have leadership. The other half know better.

Ingrid

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today...
From: Dead Horse
Date: 05 Nov 05 - 11:57 PM

Can I claim the body, please?

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today...
From: Arkie
Date: 06 Nov 05 - 12:13 AM

It was mentioned above that half of America has leadership and half has an enemy in the White House. I would amend that. About 20 per cent has leadership and 80 per cent has an enemy in the White House. Some just do not know it yet.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today...
From: Donuel
Date: 06 Nov 05 - 09:33 AM

Dead is dead.
Expect; the continuing micromanagement of sexual behavior, dumbed down education of the masses, centralized control of media, further lost causes of war adventures in the name of God and Country for weapon manufacturers and their cousins, the ownership of America by the tenth of 1%, the "absorbtion" theft of pensions and social security, the continuation of illegal drug cartels and the massive Congressional lobby of the Pharmaceutical Corporations, unaffordable health care, unaffordable fuel, unaffordable homes,

and the new quarantined society.

Do not expect the pendulum of power to ever swing back toward the needs of the people. Yes the power elite will seemingly disappear and weather the coming storm in their bunkers but the people will not regain half of what has been lost in the last 30 years. The fight for equality will be overtaken by a fight for survival.

IN the long run people will willingly trade any remaining freedom for the priviledge of regaining electric power and food from the state.

This sounds harsh but remember the thread I started 5 years ago "Why America will lose the War" and see how everything has transpired as predicted.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today...
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Nov 05 - 09:38 AM

Have a nice day!

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today...
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 06 Nov 05 - 09:40 AM

Donuel, might that not lead to revolution (hooray!)?

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today...
From: Tannywheeler
Date: 06 Nov 05 - 10:13 AM

Nah, guys. I met some of the living, breathing, VIBRANT examples of America alive a few weekends ago at a music festival outside of Darlington, MD. All of 'em plugging away in their own peculiar styles to process oxygen in their particular part of the BODY... (Not all of them had home addresses in the U. S.) I refuse to be discouraged ever again. Wake up and smell the coffee, Peter Woodruff.            Tw

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today...
From: Peace
Date: 06 Nov 05 - 10:34 AM

"Only half the people think they have leadership. The other half know better."

Next time YOU go first!

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today...
From: Dead Horse
Date: 06 Nov 05 - 10:46 AM

They got a president with half a brain. Blair has the other half!

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today...
From: Peace
Date: 06 Nov 05 - 10:51 AM

A half a brain for either of them would be a step up, IMO.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today...
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 06 Nov 05 - 11:35 AM

As my old cowboy uncle used to say, "Heifer joke is better than none!"

Art

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today...
From: GUEST,Martin Gibson
Date: 06 Nov 05 - 11:44 AM

The creater of this thread is ridiculous.

To paraphrase Mark Twain, " The report of America's death has been greatly exaggerated."

This Sunday morning, I awoke to an America that is very much alive, vibrant, and where people are free to go to church if they want or not.

The creator of this thread is apparently a very unhappy and lonely person who really should try to find something more fulfilling in his life rather than dream up this kind of crap on a folk music web forum.

In other words, I can't help but laugh my ass off at some of the far left wing mentality that hangs out here, like the sorry ass who created this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today...
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Nov 05 - 01:25 PM

starting this thread has nothing to do with " far left wing mentality"...it is just one individual with a narrow set of ideas, throwing out generalizations.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today...
From: Seiri Omaar
Date: 06 Nov 05 - 02:34 PM

Ad hominem, MG. Tsk, tsk.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today...
From: Peace
Date: 06 Nov 05 - 02:40 PM

Speaking of halfwits, we have quite a few elected to the House Of Commons. Don't think y'all (Yanks and Brits) have a corner on that. Ya don't.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today...
From: Peace
Date: 06 Nov 05 - 02:57 PM

As to the title of this thread: Peter, I have to disagree. America was one of the greatest ideas humans ever came up with. If you live there, speaking as a Canadian, I will tell you just how fortunate you are. You have vast wealth--incredibly vast. That it is not shared as equally as maybe it should be (IMO) is something for y'all to work on. BUT, at least you can do that there. Many places all yad get is a piece of lead in your skull delivered by some government sonuvabitch with a rifle. Do bad things happen there? Yes, they do. Do you have the freedom to do something about it? Yes, you do. Peter, go fix the problem. Find like-minded people and change the way your country is. Get back the idea of responsible government--make the bastards see that they are responsible to the electorate and every single individual that lives in a country most citizens of the world can only dream about living in. I know there are faults. Hell, YES there are faults. Many of them egregious, wrong, ugly. FIX them.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today...
From: dianavan
Date: 06 Nov 05 - 03:21 PM

Easy to say, Peace.

Lack of ethics in politics has been a problem for a very long time.

I agree with Peter, I, too, want America back. It no longer belongs to the people. Isn't that why they have the right to bear arms? For many years I had hoped for a peaceful revolution but those in power only looked upon us as 'losers' and 'suckers' and 'chumps'.

Times have changed and now the baby boomers are actually the power base of the nation. Its time to use that power instead of squandering it on drugs, video games, t.v. and gambling. Sad to say, if change is to occur, it will be the result of the actions of a small group of people who really do care.

My hope is that when these people rise up, the majority of Americans will join them.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today...
From: mg
Date: 06 Nov 05 - 03:29 PM

I think the majority of Americans aren't in love with us baby boomers. There is a lot of resentment and scorn from many, not all, on all sides of the generation gap. We have a lot to apologize for, a drug culture among others. mg

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today...
From: Don Firth
Date: 06 Nov 05 - 03:45 PM

The Rev. Jim Wallis, author of God's Politics : Why the Right Gets It Wrong and the Left Doesn't Get It, said that in a meeting he was attending, everyone was sitting around bewailing how the country had gone wrong and how powerless they all felt. One person said, "We just don't have any strong leaders like Martin Luther King anymore. What we need is someone like him." At which point, a young black woman stood up and blew her stack at the whole group. She ended her heated comments by saying, "YOU are the leaders you are waiting for! Don't just sit there and whine! Get busy!"

You can't just sit around and "let George do it." George is doing it. That's what's wrong.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today...
From: Peace
Date: 06 Nov 05 - 04:08 PM

"Easy to say, Peace."

Yes it is. BUT, like anything else, action has to start with thought.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today...
From: Peace
Date: 06 Nov 05 - 07:26 PM

Sorry, Dianavan. That sounded somewhat snotty and it wasn't meant to. Have a raging head cold and strep. I am basically just my normal bitchy self.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today...
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Nov 05 - 09:03 PM

George is doing it, be it right, wrong or indifferent, More than can be said for the 90's. Perhaps many of the problems we see now are a result of "let it go, nobody will notice" which probably started near the end of Bush 1.
Citizens of this great country all have the same choice; be a semi-slave, a serf or get busy and partake of the rewards awaiting you.

Can't wait for many of you to find out just how big a problem the CIA and even part of the State Department have been. Career politicians who do not want the ole' apple cart upset.
Wait to see how GWB has been fighting this scenario for the past several years.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today...
From: bobad
Date: 06 Nov 05 - 09:27 PM

". Have a raging head cold and strep."

Have'nt been eating your garlic I see.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today...
From: Peace
Date: 06 Nov 05 - 09:33 PM

Ate the lion's share of it all with Gus. I was well for two months. Now look!

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today...
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Nov 05 - 08:39 AM

Nothing lasts forever.
I was surprised how strident my previous post sounded.
There will be a backlash against corporate fascism but like oil prices it will be one step forward and two steps backward, benefits for the working poor will be racheted a little one direction but reversed in the short run.

Yes the ignorant people will always fall for the scoundrel yelling for God and patriotism. However I personally believe that the recent elections have been grossly modified with special Diebold Republican software for the last 6 years and the US population is not as stupid as our fearless leader.

The similarity of a dictator crowning himself the God of Rome with the Bush Cabal is striking. If the Cabal has learned anything from history they must realize that they will face a serious stabbing in the rotunda unless they eliminate Congress. This is where the shadow government will come in handy to a dictatorial regieme.

If the takeover goes that far the truth of recent treasonous acts will never see the light of day.

Like junk food being reminisent of real food the Bush administration is virtually reminiscent of actual liberty.

Have another freedom cracker with mad cow cheese, its good for you.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today...
From: GUEST,Martin Gibson
Date: 07 Nov 05 - 12:07 PM

Bill D, it has everything to do with a far-left political outlook.

Don't try to distance yourself from the ridiculous when it raises it's head as it often does.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today...
From: GUEST,Val
Date: 07 Nov 05 - 01:35 PM

I thought this report of GW Bush's speach interesting:

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Bush said citizens must choose "between two competing visions" for their future.

One, he said, pursues representative government, integration into the world community and freedom's transformative power for individuals.

"The other seeks to roll back the democratic progress of the past two decades by playing to fear, pitting neighbor against neighbor and blaming others for their own failures to provide for the people," he said. "We must make tough decisions today to ensure a better tomorrow."
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What's ironic is he was telling this to the people in South America - specifically Venezuela. Pity that statement didn't get included in the last US presidential campaign...

Article source

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today...
From: Bert
Date: 10 Nov 05 - 12:51 AM

HALF the people, You mean about a third of the people plus some slack made up by those voting machines. This is the first time we've had an unverifiable election.

And how many of thoese voters who chose an oil baron are surprised at the price of gas.

America is not dead, but democracy here sure is.

Can you picture me grumpy? Bill D, I can't picture you as anything else.

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From: dianavan
Date: 10 Nov 05 - 01:22 AM

And they were singin bye, bye Miss American pie...

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today...
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 10 Nov 05 - 04:35 AM

Took my chevy to the levee, but the pump it was dry...

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today...
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Nov 05 - 04:53 PM

Why are you taking australia with you

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: America died today...
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 10 Nov 05 - 06:45 PM

We're all asking Johhny Howard that...