Sidmouth Folk Week 2006

Subject: RE: Sidmouth Folk Week 2006
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 01 Jan 06 - 02:33 PM

Sidmouth 2006. THIS YEAR'S SIDMOUTH!! It's getting closer now....can't wait!!

http://www.sidmouthfolkweek.co.uk/index.html

Lizzie :0)

Subject: RE: Sidmouth Folk Week 2006
From: Steve Benbows protege
Date: 01 Jan 06 - 04:20 PM

You can't count food and drinks as an expense as you would, I presume, be eating at home anyway.

Subject: RE: Sidmouth Folk Week 2006
From: GUEST,Anon
Date: 02 Jan 06 - 12:40 AM

It's cheaper at home and as others have pointed out it's probably better food at home as well.

Subject: RE: Sidmouth Folk Week 2006
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 02 Jan 06 - 02:52 AM

So what - should one never leave home then because food is more expensive anywhere else? You could also add that it is more confortable at home, and more hygienic too, you don't need to share bathroom and shower facilities with strangers, you don't wear out your clothes so much and it doesn't matter if it rains. And you could listen to radio Britfolk on the internet, no licence needed and no tickets either.

And yet some people brave the weather, the expense and the risks for some live music (sessions or concerts) and dance (displays of ceilidhs). I guess they must be fools according to GUEST.

OK, I'll be seeing the fools this summer then; I'll have to make do without the company of the stay-at-homes. I can live with that.

Subject: RE: Sidmouth Folk Week 2006
From: Blowzabella
Date: 02 Jan 06 - 05:52 AM

Unfortunately, it may well be a fact that some people can't afford tickets for Sidmouth, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they offer poor value for money - or, necessarily, that these people are party-poopers - it just means that some people won't be able to afford to go.

Those who are saying it is over-priced need to remember that the event has lost a substantial amount of grant income, which subsidised the costs. If that income isn't there, or found from other sponsorship etc, and the event is to continue, it can only come from the ticket sales. People have already been complaining that there isn't as much going on as before - how much more expensive would tickets need to be to have twice as much going on?....think about it....

A major festival costs a lot of money - that is a fact. If the new organisers find that people can't afford the tickets for a week long event, then they might rethink and shorten it. The tickets would then be cheaper, but there would be lots of other people dis-satisfied. It's not as simple as it sounds - you do get what you pay for - but you can't expect a week's festival for the cost of a weekend - surely?      

It will always be the case that some people can't afford to do some things that they would like to - or chose to prioritise their spending differently - that doesn't mean things are over-priced, just that there are decisions to be made. I can't do everything I want to, but I don't feel the need to moan about the things I have chosen not to do being too expensive, because it's my choice, at the end of the day.

Subject: RE: Sidmouth Folk Week 2006
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 02 Jan 06 - 05:58 AM

Very fairly put, Blowzabella, and I certainly did not mean to imply that all the stay-at-homes are party-poopers and I stand corrected. I guess the negativity of GUEST, Anon got to me just there and I let off some steam...

Subject: RE: Sidmouth Folk Week 2006
From: Blowzabella
Date: 02 Jan 06 - 02:28 PM

Sorry El Greko - I didn't mean to sound as if I was having a go at you, if that was how it sounded - I was actually trying to put my pont more across to those saying 'it's a rip-off and I'm not going'

Blowz

Subject: RE: Sidmouth Folk Week 2006
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 02 Jan 06 - 09:12 PM

I know you weren't, Blowz; but your post made me think about my own previous one and I found myself "wanting". No worries :-)

Subject: RE: Sidmouth Folk Week 2006
From: GUEST,Another Anon.
Date: 02 Jan 06 - 10:18 PM

Blowzabella is absolutely right to say "A major festival costs a lot of money" though it is debatable as to whether Sidmouth is still "A major festival". The BBC for one no longer rates Sidmouth alongside the likes of Cambridge when it comes to live coverage.

Bowzabella is also right to slam the disgraceful decision by the District Council to cut their funding for the festival from £60,000p.a. to zero.

The problem facing Sidmouth organisers is how to balance the books given:

(a) the huge costs of staging the Folk Week

(b) the reduced number of people attending since the demise of the "International" Festival and the scrapping of Arena events

(c) the desire of many of those who are still attending (myself included) to spend most of our time in The Anchor or the informal sessions in The Bedford and elsewhere, therefore not going to many concerts and not spending money on buying tickets which means...

(d) the free 'fringe' sessions and dance displays attract good audiences but the 'centre' of the Folk week struggles to raise the cash to keep itself going.

It's not easy. I admire those who are working so hard to deliver another successful Folk week but I fear they are up against it.

Many of us are more interested in the free events than the ticketted concerts. For us Sidmouth is a social gathering, a chance to meet old friends, have a natter, a song, a tune. We're not really bothered about whether there's an Arena or not, not that interested in many of the concerts in the Ham, not willing to pay large sums for a season ticket that doesn't cover all the events anyway.

I'll still head to Sidmouth come what may but friends who gave it a chance last year have said they won't be going in 2006.

Their loss but I wonder how many others are thinking the same?

JR

Subject: RE: Sidmouth Folk Week 2006
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 03 Jan 06 - 01:24 AM

(b) the reduced number of people attending since the demise of the "International" Festival and the scrapping of Arena events

You only have one year's statistics to make that judgement on and that one year was an interim festival. Give the new organisers a chance, eh?

Subject: RE: Sidmouth Folk Week 2006
From: breezy
Date: 03 Jan 06 - 07:50 AM

But 'being at home' is sad as well as not getting out much !!

Many folks have made Sidmouth their summer holiday.

So the inclusive weeks entertainment looks very good value and would make for an economic break.

All the best to all concerned.

Subject: RE: Sidmouth Folk Week 2006
From: steve_harris
Date: 03 Jan 06 - 11:24 AM

The money side is quite interesting. I spent about the same on tickets and camping as I did in 2004. The organisers managed to balance the books despite attendance seeming to be about 25% of 2004.

It suggests to me, that if 2006 pulls in half the crowds of 2004, the finances will be absolutely fine

Subject: RE: Sidmouth Folk Week 2006
From: GUEST,Another Anon.
Date: 03 Jan 06 - 07:06 PM

To Manitas - I am giving the organisers "every chance" and I desperately want them to succeed but if Steve Harris is right that attendances in 2005 were only around 25% of those in 2004 then we could be on a downward spiral that is difficult to reverse.

I really do feel that those of us who are still going to Sidmouth in August need to listen more to those who are not instead of just rubbishing their comments and accusing them of being negative.

We need to win them back and we won't do it by criticising them.

Subject: RE: Sidmouth Folk Week 2006
From: GUEST,Tom (Anchor Regular)
Date: 04 Jan 06 - 12:55 AM

I will certainly be at the Folk week again.

I will certainly not buy a season ticket at the price quoted.

I go to Sidmouth for the singing in The Anchor where no ticket is needed and I wouldn't care a jot if all the concerts at the Ham went down the pan.

Let's just have a much more traditional Folk Week for amateur singers and musicians, the heart and soul of Sidmouth.

We don't need all these so-called 'big stars' with their equally big egos and ridiculous wage demands performing on big stages more appropriate for The Spice Girls and The Rolling Stones.

Let's return Sidmouth to what it was in the 60s & 70s, vastly better than the money-grabbing commercial machine it's become in recent years.

Subject: RE: Sidmouth Folk Week 2006
From: fiddler
Date: 04 Jan 06 - 02:41 AM

I seem to recall Sidmouth was rescued from the verge of bankruptcy in the late 60s early 70s or thereabouts! Correct me if I am wrong - that is not a criticism some big names in many walks of life have ended up there.

It didn't work then why should it now. Tastes have become more sophisticated and appeal even broader than it was then.

Broad inclusive thinking rather than narrow dogmatic opinionated outbursts is what will make Sidmouth a success again in both the short term and in the future.

This aspect of the debate (traditional sessions only blah de blah -if there is one) was done to death in 2004/5 lets not go down that path again just more storage on the server and longer threads to wade through.

It has been good to see some 'level speak' since my last posting on this thread. Keep it up and we are all in with a chance to make this work.

What can we do to help should be our watchword not how can we put it down or get our own way. You cna't please all of the folk all of the time etc......

Andy

Subject: RE: Sidmouth Folk Week 2006
From: treewind
Date: 04 Jan 06 - 04:05 AM

we could be on a downward spiral
Have you forgotten how during most of the time between the 2004 and 2005 festivals it didn't look like there was going to be a 2005 festival at all?

It's not remotely surprising that few people attended the 2005 event. By the time it was apparent that something would happen, many potential customers gave up waiting and made other plans.

It was quite clear immedately after the 2005 festival that it had been a success and would grow into a more solidly constituted festival in 2006. I predict a sellout.

Anahata

Subject: RE: Sidmouth Folk Week 2006
From: Folkiedave
Date: 04 Jan 06 - 04:50 AM

I will certainly be at the Folk week again.

I go to Sidmouth for the singing in The Anchor where no ticket is needed and I wouldn't care a jot if all the concerts at the Ham went down the pan.
Let's just have a much more traditional Folk Week for amateur singers and musicians, the heart and soul of Sidmouth.

We don't need all these so-called 'big stars' with their equally big egos and ridiculous wage demands performing on big stages more appropriate for The Spice Girls and The Rolling Stones.

Let's return Sidmouth to what it was in the 60s & 70s, vastly better than the money-grabbing commercial machine it's become in recent years.

Subject: RE: Sidmouth Folk Week 2006
From: Folkiedave
Date: 04 Jan 06 - 05:11 AM

Sorry that was a case of mistaken button.

Let me try that again.

I go to Sidmouth for the singing in The Anchor where no ticket is needed and I wouldn't care a jot if all the concerts at the Ham went down the pan.

Let's just have a much more traditional Folk Week for amateur singers and musicians, the heart and soul of Sidmouth.

We don't need all these so-called 'big stars' with their equally big egos and ridiculous wage demands performing on big stages more appropriate for The Spice Girls and The Rolling Stones.

Let's return Sidmouth to what it was in the 60s & 70s, vastly better than the money-grabbing commercial machine it's become in recent years.

There are a number of points here.

First of all - if it is a festival then someone has to buy the tickets. Who will organise the event that Tom wants - a week of singing in the Anchor? Or will it happen without organisation?

I cannot imagine a week of anything worse than a week full of amateur singers.

And frankly I have met a number of amateur singers with egos much bigger than those of the stars he berates.

For the last 45 years Sidmouth was never a small-scale event. It was a big event in the 1960's and 1970's. I am fed up of pointing out that people were complaining about the size of Sidmouth and its commercialism before the sixties he harks back to were over, and there are numerous EFDSS magazines with reviews of Sidmouth each one harking back to the "Good Old Days". I believe the first complaint of Sidmouth's commercialism was back in the 1950's.

Since the chance to meet up with his friends and sing and play in a bar for a week is what Tom wants - why Sidmouth? It is not the easiest place to get to by public transport, whether we like it or not there is some anti-folk hostility in the town, and it is not especially convenient for camping. I am sure Tom could meet up with his mates at a more convenient place. And since he doesn't like the festival why come that particular week?

Where is it to be Tom?

Subject: RE: Sidmouth Folk Week 2006
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 04 Jan 06 - 05:15 AM

Let's NOT return to the 60s, 70s, or 2004. Those are what Sidmouth was in the past.

Let's support the evolution of Sidmouth into what it CAN BE in the future, and that is basically whatever we want it to be.

No narrow definitions please. We need to think in very broad terms, so that there is something for everyone. It just isn't good enough to say "My part of it is O.K., so I don't care about anybody else's opinion". That isn't the spirit on which Sidmouth Festival was built.

Don T.

Subject: RE: Sidmouth Folk Week 2006
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 04 Jan 06 - 06:08 AM

Hear, hear Folkiedave and Don T

Subject: RE: Sidmouth Folk Week 2006
From: GUEST,Trisha
Date: 04 Jan 06 - 08:57 AM

A lot of people who used to attend the Mrs Casey festivals gave Sidmouth another chance last year.

I wonder how many of them will give Sidmouth another 'another chance' this year?

I will but others I speak to say they won't.

Towersey, Trowbridge, Eastleigh and Broadstairs all seem to be attracting people away from Sidmouth.

I still like Sidmouth for what it is, not what others think it should be, but I think it will continue to 'downsize' and that's not necessarily a bad thing.

Subject: RE: Sidmouth Folk Week 2006
From: GUEST,John S. from Exeter
Date: 05 Jan 06 - 07:20 AM

I think Trisha has got it just about right.

There will always be a Sidmouth so long as enough singers, musicians and dancers come along and support it but it will never be the great International Festival that it was in the 1990s.

In future it will be a smaller, more intimate affair based on pubs, function rooms and small performance venues rather than large marquees and huge outdoor arenas.

Thos who want the big-name stars can go elsewhere.

Those of who enjoy meeting friends for a session in a rather quaint little Victorian seaside town will still head to Sidmouth.

Subject: RE: Sidmouth Folk Week 2006
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 05 Jan 06 - 10:05 AM

John S,

This is precisely the kind of post I was hoping not to see.

The supporters of Sidmouth past were a very broad spectrum. Some liked the concerts, and some liked the sessions. The last thing we should be doing, IMHO, is writing off either, and advising them to go elsewhere.

To write off the possibility of the big concerts ever returning is to deprive Sidmouth of support that it will need in the next couple of years. That won't be good for the sessions fans either.

We need to be saying "Anything is possible, given the right support".

Don T.

Subject: RE: Sidmouth Folk Week 2006
From: Folkiedave
Date: 05 Jan 06 - 12:04 PM

I can only echo Don T. I was an attender at Sidmouth since the late sixties and especially for the last few years. I loved all the aspects, I am a great fan of some of the fabulous foreign artists over the past few years, Boutinne Souriante, Susanna Seivane and Kepa Junkera especially. I loved the "big" concerts in the Arena - Steeleye and the Watersons in 2005 for example, Altan a year or two ago.

But I loved the sessions in the Radway, Volunteer, Anchor. Anchor Garden Ceilidhs. I could go on.

My point is not about commercialism, but that if there is to be a festival it needs a wide spectrum of appeal. And if there is a festival Someone needs to buy tickets, just a "fringe" of amateurs is not enough.

Dave

Subject: RE: Sidmouth Folk Week 2006
From: GUEST,Scottie
Date: 05 Jan 06 - 11:04 PM

Agree with you Dave that a "fringe" is not enough.

Sadly that's the way Sidmouth is heading though.

If you like Susanna Seivane, Kepa Junkera, La Bottine Souriante and similar artists such as Carlos Nunez then you should head to Glasgow from next week as all of those and many more have appeared at 'Celtic Connections' in recent years and most are back there this year.

'Celtic Connections' - a truly international festival.

With no Morris Dancing.

Morris Dancers wouldn't last long on Glasgow's streets!

Subject: RE: Sidmouth Folk Week 2006
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 06 Jan 06 - 01:51 AM

Dunno about that. A couple of years ago we filled a few Glasgow pubs with rapper dancers. No one batted an eye at us walking down the road in kit and the pub customers were very welcoming.

Subject: RE: Sidmouth Folk Week 2006
From: Folkiedave
Date: 06 Jan 06 - 04:03 AM

And I danced at the first Edinburgh Folk Festival with no problems.

(Except the police cleared us from the top of Leith Walk where it joins Princess St. at 5.00 pm when Hibs v. Celtic turned out and Celtic had lost).

Wise move.

Dave

Subject: RE: Sidmouth Folk Week 2006
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 06 Jan 06 - 05:37 AM

Spot on Dave. I've said it before that a fringe at a festival is like the one in a hair style: It adds value and it can be beautiful, as long as it is backed by some substance. On its own, it looks - well, you can imagine it yourself - and it constitutes no "coiffure" and no festival either. It's just a fringe.

Show me a festival in the UK (NOT the "Song and Ale" events, they are specialist and often strictly by invitation) consisting of a fringe alone, and I will eat my words.

Subject: RE: Sidmouth Folk Week 2006
From: GUEST,Top Cat
Date: 06 Jan 06 - 11:00 AM

Eat your words EG.

What about the Edinburgh Fringe?

Yes I know there's also an International Festival, Book Festival etc. but those are really a 'fringe' to The Fringe which is itself by far the biggest Festival these days.

Also if you look at other posts on this board the new Glasgow Fringe Festival, while being staged at the same time as the 'Celtic Connections' Festival, is, in truth, a Festival in its own right.

Subject: RE: Sidmouth Folk Week 2006
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 06 Jan 06 - 01:11 PM

I won't eat them just yet, Top Cat, because the Edinburgh Fringe is now a festival, organised like a festival itself, with venues charging money, and nothing like a proper "fringe" any longer.

That is probably a good example of what a "fringe" can become, in exceptional circumstances - i.e. grow to be a festival itself; but not simply with volunteer effort.

Subject: RE: Sidmouth Folk Week 2006
From: GUEST,Top Cat
Date: 06 Jan 06 - 09:04 PM

You're right El Greko that the Edinburgh Fringe is now a huge commercial affair albeit one where even the best-selling artists still lose money. The costs of performing at Edinburgh are huge. The only people who make money seem to be those who hire out rooms as venues at extortionate rates.

Subject: RE: Sidmouth Folk Week 2006
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 07 Jan 06 - 07:30 AM

Just like folk, eh, Top Cat :-)

Subject: RE: Sidmouth Folk Week 2006
From: breezy
Date: 07 Jan 06 - 08:23 AM

and then we start all over again do we not?

Or do we, is it not time then to bow out and see what happens as appears to be occuring at Sids?

A fringe is no more than an embryo.

Subject: RE: Sidmouth Folk Week 2006
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 07 Jan 06 - 03:31 PM

Well I'm in with the positive brigade: Sidmouth 2005 was fabulous - as ever; and as ever, I divided my time between "fringe" events (tho' even that term is now questionable when they have become so much a part of the establishment - I refer of course to the Middle Bar Singers and the Bedford sessions).......and I even paid to go to a few concerts and workshops!!! (shock...horror...oh ye of little faith!!!!)
Far from there being nothing to write home about, there was Bellowhead (see youse again in Glesga, pals), the Demon Barbers (all in one show with BH), Kathryn Tickell (tho' she seriously underestimated travel time from Tyneside), Battlefield band and other big enough names to draw the crowds. I honestly don't believe the "25% of usual numbers". I would say it looked more like 25% DOWN (ie 75% still there). Where did they get these figures from??
I SHALL be there this August, and I WILL buy a season ticket, which I shall probably under-use and I WILL still pay extra to go to some of the Ham evening concerts if they are artistes I want to see.
There's no way you can compare the "fringe" of Sidmouth to the Edinburgh Fringe: the latter is now a huge event of its own, which is far better avoided (on the whole) than is Sidmouth (and I live in the "Athens of the North!")
And finally, this leads me to final point from previous postings in this thread: the Middle bar would be even more smoke-free if England had followed Ireland's and Scotland's (as of coming March) example! (cough/cough!)
Looking forward to seeing JB, Don< Breton cap and other contributors above.
TB

Subject: RE: Sidmouth Folk Week 2006
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 07 Jan 06 - 07:16 PM

See ya there Tattie - make sure you come up and say "hi". I'll be the fat one with glasses hiding behind the Cort 12-string.

Subject: RE: Sidmouth Folk Week 2006
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 07 Jan 06 - 08:01 PM

Looking forward to seeing you both again.

Don T.

Subject: RE: Sidmouth Folk Week 2006
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Jan 06 - 08:25 PM

Lizzie's very quiet.

Have we all offended her?

Subject: RE: Sidmouth Folk Week 2006
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Jan 06 - 09:02 AM

Shhh ... don't wake her up

Subject: RE: Sidmouth Folk Week 2006
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 08 Jan 06 - 12:20 PM

El Greko and Tattie Bogle - I'm looking forward to seeing you both in August (if not in February,) and might even be able to help you spot each other.

Kitty

Subject: RE: Sidmouth Folk Week 2006
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 08 Jan 06 - 01:55 PM

If we've not already met at CC, Kitty. Your name should, of course, have been on the list of "weel-kent" faces I want to see again!
TB

Subject: RE: Sidmouth Folk Week 2006
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 08 Jan 06 - 02:06 PM

Hi 'Guests'...Oh there are so many of you! What a HUGE family you are..and how lovely that you all apparently love folk music...although only in very tiny sessions...I think you should have your very own festival you know. You could call it 'Guestonbury'
and it could be held in Sidford, where Stevie Scarlett could take the money on the door for you all. ;0)

Hey Stevie...I've just heard some LOVELY rumours about some other 'real' guests who might be coming to Siddy this year. As if we didn't have enough people to swoon over already!!

I'm going to be in the front row for George! And for the Duncan McFarlane Band...and for Blue Murder..(Mmmm...Coope Boyes & Simpson...live!!) ;0) And Roy Bailey! Have you heard his version of 'The Burning Times' with John Kirkpatrick!! WOW!! AND John is coming as well!! It just gets better and better! Plus the new rumours I've heard on top of all those wonderful people!......Triple Swoons!!!

I had Roy's 'What You Do With What You've Got' for Christmas..and Coope Boyes & Simspon's 'Triple Echo' and 'What We Sing Is What We Are'...and I've Dulaman's 'Four Year's in November' and *loads* of DMcF Band ones and George's 'Ordinary Heroes'....and now...they're ALL going to be singing down the end of my road...so I am A VERY HAPPY SIDMOUTH BUNNY Stevie.

Sidmouth Folk Week 2006 just gets better and better...and if all those gorgeous Shanty Men are singing down on the seafront again and The Shropshire Bedlams come back....well...I may just have to spend the entire Folk Week in Sidmouth Cottage Hospital.....with a bad dose of over-folk-excitement!!!!

I have to go now, as Roy and John are singing 'The Burning Times' in my ears and it's building up the finale...This is a totally wonderful song you know. Utterly hypnotic...whilst sending shivers down your spine for all those poor women! Roy sings SUCH intelligent songs..can't wait to see him!

Not long now Stevie!! Hang on in there!! ;0)



Lizzie :0)

Subject: RE: Sidmouth Folk Week 2006
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 08 Jan 06 - 04:12 PM

I forgot to say that we'd all LOVE to see The Demon Barbers coming back again this year Tattie. They were one of the major highlights of Folk Week last year for us.

Bring 'Em Back guys....but this time as a headline act down on The Ham...they were FANTASTIC!

AND...they'll bring in the younger people too, everyone went totally wild over them last year!!


Lizzie :0)

Subject: RE: Sidmouth Folk Week 2006
From: Dave Earl
Date: 08 Jan 06 - 04:16 PM

Tattie bogle

Trish, I know who you, El Greko and Herga Kitty are so if Kitty misses out on the intros I'll do the honours.

Dave

Subject: RE: Sidmouth Folk Week 2006
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Jan 06 - 12:21 AM

"I may just have to spend the entire Folk Week in Sidmouth General Hospital" - Lizzie

Now what have the sick and dying done to deserve that?

Subject: RE: Sidmouth Folk Week 2006
From: treewind
Date: 09 Jan 06 - 04:18 AM

I'll take Lizzie's unbridled enthusiasm over your snide sarcasm any day, GUEST.


Anahata

Subject: RE: Sidmouth Folk Week 2006
From: HipflaskAndy
Date: 09 Jan 06 - 05:25 AM

I'll be returning again this year - to meet up with as many of the new friends made in 05 as piossible - and hopefully make a good few more.
Good luck Sidmouth 06 - may all that attend have a great time!
HFA

Subject: RE: Sidmouth Folk Week 2006
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 09 Jan 06 - 06:22 AM

Another session together might be good, HFA... Good for me in any case.

Subject: RE: Sidmouth Folk Week 2006
From: HipflaskAndy
Date: 09 Jan 06 - 08:20 AM

I, EG, I!

I B OK 4 1.
U B OK 4 1 2?

HFA

Subject: RE: Sidmouth Folk Week 2006
From: Paco Rabanne
Date: 09 Jan 06 - 08:25 AM

99 is the new 100. Over to you now Leadfingers.

Subject: RE: Sidmouth Folk Week 2006
From: Leadfingers
Date: 09 Jan 06 - 08:30 AM

OK 100 will do !! And dont forget The New Tavern Sessionsi