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The Halliard - any memories of this group?

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Nigel Paterson 11 Oct 18 - 03:40 AM
GUEST,Peter 10 Oct 18 - 04:23 AM
Nigel Paterson 10 Oct 18 - 02:07 AM
GUEST,Linda Jones 09 Oct 18 - 05:06 PM
Nigel Paterson 13 Aug 15 - 05:51 AM
GUEST,NIck Hamlyn 08 Aug 15 - 05:22 AM
Nigel Paterson 23 Oct 13 - 07:51 AM
Nigel Paterson 23 Oct 13 - 07:31 AM
GUEST,henryp 20 Oct 13 - 06:59 PM
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MGM·Lion 18 Oct 13 - 11:20 PM
GUEST,Brian Cleave 18 Oct 13 - 05:19 PM
johnmac 24 Sep 13 - 10:52 AM
pavane 24 Oct 12 - 01:26 PM
Nigel Paterson 18 Aug 12 - 06:14 AM
GUEST,999 16 Aug 12 - 05:36 PM
GUEST 16 Aug 12 - 03:42 PM
Nigel Paterson 05 Aug 12 - 05:40 AM
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pavane 01 Apr 12 - 10:10 AM
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Subject: RE: The Halliard - any memories of this group?
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 11 Oct 18 - 04:08 AM

Not that it is any consolation but I've found the same with Jazz and Blues audiences, usually old gits like me these days.

RtS


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Subject: RE: The Halliard - any memories of this group?
From: Nigel Paterson
Date: 11 Oct 18 - 03:40 AM

Peter's post begs the question: "Are folk clubs failing to attract younger people to their audiences?"


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Subject: RE: The Halliard - any memories of this group?
From: GUEST,Peter
Date: 10 Oct 18 - 04:23 AM

Brought back a few memories for me. I have been trying to remember just how under age I was when I first went to Brentwood FC to work out the 50th anniversary of my first introduction to folk clubs.

I may no longer be one of the youngest in the room at a folk club but, half a century on, it is disturbing that I am sometimes still below the median age.


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Subject: RE: The Halliard - any memories of this group?
From: Nigel Paterson
Date: 10 Oct 18 - 02:07 AM

Linda, thank you for a timely revival of this thread...I was beginning to think it was about to go extinct! The folk scene in Essex was great fun,loads of clubs, enthusiastic audiences & plenty of local talent. 'Expensive' guests like Paul Simon provided the icing on the cake. Very happy days.
                                          Nigel Paterson (mandolin, The Halliard)


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Subject: RE: The Halliard - any memories of this group?
From: GUEST,Linda Jones
Date: 09 Oct 18 - 05:06 PM

Hello All
What a blast from the past this is..........with posts from people whose names I recall from many years ago - Dave Moran; Dominic Pattern, Howard Jones, Simon Thorndycroft.......... others from Hornchurch FC; The Castle in Brentwood, The Bull at Blackmoor, Jim Garrett with his rocket guitar. I used to sing and play guitar particularly at the Bull in Blackmoor, Writtle and sometimes Hornchurch. Paul Simon at the Castle was a bit before my time. Anyone recall the folk club in Writtle - hosted by Ian Finlay? Dave Royale - writer of Simon Spider and others. Bill Delderfield - who went to the same school as me. Years have flown by but it was a great social life at that time. Living now on the Isle of Wight, which is beautiful. Take care
Linda Jones


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Subject: RE: The Halliard - any memories of this group?
From: Nigel Paterson
Date: 13 Aug 15 - 05:51 AM

Dear Nick, thank you for breathing life into the thread. Very impressed that you remembered the Tenor Recorder (I learned the descant recorder at Brentwood Prep in the 50s). My 'random act of kindness', loaning you my guitar is sadly lost in the mists of my time, but I'm very touched the memory remains fresh in yours. When Nic was enjoying his solo career, I'm reasonably sure he played a 'Fylde'...don't think he played a Fender professionally. A great pity you didn't get to see Paul Simon at the School Folk Club...1.5 hours of Paul at the height of his solo powers...all for free!
             Very Good to hear from you,
                                                         Nigel Paterson.


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Subject: RE: The Halliard - any memories of this group?
From: GUEST,NIck Hamlyn
Date: 08 Aug 15 - 05:22 AM

Just found this thread – rather late, apparently. I was a pupil at Brentwood School from 1962 until 1968 and I remember The Halliard performing at the school folk club on one of the first occasions I attended it. They played Ewan MacColl's "Go Down You Murderer", with Nigel Paterson playing his tenor recorder, a song that I had not heard before but later performed myself at the school folk club and elsewhere. One folk gig stands out in particular – it was in Shenfield in 1968 or 1969 where Nigel was the main performer. I played two or three of my own songs, which used different guitar tunings. Retuning in between, I lost my way and couldn't seem to find any usable arrangement (nerves!). Nigel very kindly lent me his guitar so that I could continue – I changed my plan and played something in standard tuning! By 1970 I was at the University of East Anglia and a regular performer at the folk club there. Stars from the folk scene were frequent bookings at the club and on one occasion this was Nic Jones, playing on his Fender guitar. At Brentwood, I remember the Paul Simon concert happening, but a minimum age limit was set and I was too young to go.
Nick Hamlyn.


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Subject: RE: The Halliard - any memories of this group?
From: Nigel Paterson
Date: 23 Oct 13 - 07:51 AM

Brian Cleave, how nice to hear from you. I don't remember whether The Halliard played at RAF Wyton, but we certainly did a gig or two at RAF Wittering. As for the Music & the Memories, you're more than welcome. They are very precious to us too.
                                           Kindest Regards,
                                                                     Nigel Paterson (Mandolin, The Halliard)


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Subject: RE: The Halliard - any memories of this group?
From: Nigel Paterson
Date: 23 Oct 13 - 07:31 AM

Henryp, if my memory serves me correctly, Nic, Dave & I visited the Harkness Collection on more than one occasion. So yes, all The Halliard visited the Harris Library together. Boy, that winds back the years!
                               Kindest Regards,
                                                          Nigel Paterson.


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Subject: RE: The Halliard - any memories of this group?
From: GUEST,henryp
Date: 20 Oct 13 - 06:59 PM

Nic and Joe appeared in Preston tonight, and received a great reception.

The Harris Library in Preston holds the Harkness Collection of broadsheets. This was the source of the words of The Calico Printer's Clerk, and perhaps more songs.

Earlier this month, my choir sang in the Harris Library and I wondered whether all The Halliard visited the Harris Library together?


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Subject: RE: The Halliard - any memories of this group?
From: Nigel Paterson
Date: 20 Oct 13 - 07:16 AM

Michael, pronounced : Mer-RAN,
                                                 Nigel


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Subject: RE: The Halliard - any memories of this group?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 18 Oct 13 - 11:20 PM

BTW ~~ @Dave Moran or anyone else who knows --

I have often wondered, but never got round to asking; some people with that surname pronounce it MORE-'n and some Mer-RAN --

How is Dave correctly referred to?

All Best, either way

~Michael~


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Subject: RE: The Halliard - any memories of this group?
From: GUEST,Brian Cleave
Date: 18 Oct 13 - 05:19 PM

Hi just found this thread and thought I would add my twopenny worth. I remember the Halliard from when I served in the RAF and was stationed at Wyton (Cambridgshire)in the 60's. It was my intoduction to folk which I still love, and why I have just googled Halliard (from a distant memory)and ended up on this site. Thanks for the music and memories. Brian


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From: johnmac
Date: 24 Sep 13 - 10:52 AM

Message to howbe on aka Dominic Patten. this is my third attempt at this message, I am useless with computers. I doubt very much if you will remenber me. I ran a small and not very successful club in South Ockendon at which you (solo and with the Riggers) played a few times. Reading this
thread has brought back great memories of what was a very productive and creative time for folk music. I have just recalled, this second in fact, that you also played a concert our club organised at the Thameside Theatre in Grays. Do you still own that lovely Guild guitar? Great memories of your club in Hornchurch and later Upminster where I saw some of the best people on the scene, many happily still working. I went to Shrewsbury Festival recently and was delighted to see and hear Nic Jones after so many years. I recall he was a friend of yours. We tried to get him for our club without success. Hope you are well and still making music. All the very best. John Mcgettigan


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Subject: RE: The Halliard - any memories of this group?
From: pavane
Date: 24 Oct 12 - 01:26 PM

I hope the concert went well - I haven't seen a report.
In the event, my daughter would not have been able to supply a cake - too busy sprogging.


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Subject: RE: The Halliard - any memories of this group?
From: Nigel Paterson
Date: 18 Aug 12 - 06:14 AM

Really sorry to disappoint you, Paul, but DIYF is not on the set list for the gig. With Nic unable to play guitar as he used to, his son Joe would have had to have learned it. He lives many miles away from me, making rehearsals impossible. You will, however, still be able to enjoy such 'gems' as: 'The Lancashire Lads' & 'Calico Printer's Clerk'. To be frank, I'm not sure I could still play DIYF on my Mandolin. The Mandolin part made frequent use of harmonics, requiring a very steady hand, of which Dystonia has robbed me!
         Very pleased you took the trouble to get in touch...a true 'Halliard' fan!
         Kind Regards,
                              Nigel.


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Subject: RE: The Halliard - any memories of this group?
From: GUEST,999
Date: 16 Aug 12 - 05:36 PM

That the concert is sold-out is great news.


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Subject: RE: The Halliard - any memories of this group?
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Aug 12 - 03:42 PM

Yes indeed,

I have great memories of The Halliard! Can't make the gig, but please resuscitate your arrangement of "Down in Yon Forest", so I can see it when the DVD comes out! I've never forgotten it -- or many others.

Best wishes,

Paul Magnussen


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Subject: RE: The Halliard - any memories of this group?
From: Nigel Paterson
Date: 05 Aug 12 - 05:40 AM

Am very happy to report that the gig on 22nd Sept. at C#House is sold out.
                                                                              Nigel.


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Subject: RE: The Halliard - any memories of this group?
From: Nigel Paterson
Date: 21 May 12 - 11:53 AM

Pavane, you'll need to contact Dave Moran about the cake. He was the 'Boss' of The Halliard. I was just a humble singer & Mandolin player.
                                                                   Nigel Paterson.


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Subject: RE: The Halliard - any memories of this group?
From: pavane
Date: 15 May 12 - 01:23 PM

If I bring the cake, can I get in free?

By the way, if you want it you had better order it/them!
(And my daughter the cakemaker is expecting her own daughter in August)


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Subject: RE: The Halliard - any memories of this group?
From: Nigel Paterson
Date: 15 May 12 - 08:20 AM

Along with Nic receiving his gold medal in September, 'The Halliard' (Dave Moran, Nic Jones & Nigel Paterson) will be reforming for one performance on the night, ably assisted by some of our friends. We are tending to refer to it as: 'The Halliard Big Band'! I'm lead to believe that the evening will be filmed/recorded. Tickets are now available, but I don't have the details to hand. Am blowing the dust off my mandolin as I type...not easy!
                                                                                                 Nigel Paterson.


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Subject: RE: The Halliard - any memories of this group?
From: Nigel Paterson
Date: 02 Apr 12 - 07:22 AM

Michael, I'll do my very best to save you a piece!
                                                                         Nigel ;)


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Subject: RE: The Halliard - any memories of this group?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 01 Apr 12 - 01:25 PM

Nice touch?!

A TREAT!!!


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Subject: RE: The Halliard - any memories of this group?
From: Nigel Paterson
Date: 01 Apr 12 - 12:48 PM

Nice touch....


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Subject: RE: The Halliard - any memories of this group?
From: pavane
Date: 01 Apr 12 - 10:10 AM

And perhaps a penguin egg too


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Subject: RE: The Halliard - any memories of this group?
From: Nigel Paterson
Date: 01 Apr 12 - 03:20 AM

Very happy to go halves with the cake. As to design, yes, there surely should be references as pavane suggests...can't think of anything more appropriate,
                                                                                           Nigel.


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Subject: RE: The Halliard - any memories of this group?
From: pavane
Date: 20 Mar 12 - 03:09 PM

I look forward to the cake suggestions. Surely a guitar and fiddle somewhere? Chessmen too?


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Subject: RE: The Halliard - any memories of this group?
From: GUEST,Guest Dave Moran
Date: 20 Mar 12 - 02:42 PM

One of my favourite memories as a Halliard was actually not on stage but in the performers tent at the Cambridge Folk Festival and we were due to go on soon. Lots of notable and lesser performers in the beer tent including in the corner, the legendary blues and ragtime singer/ guitarist Rev Gary Davis who was blind. As he sat in the corner quietly playing- up on stage were the Watersons who wacked straight into a superb unaccompanied version of Hal an Tow- except Gary Davis loved their singing and proceeded to accompany them in the tent - on his guitar- with a strong blues twist and it really did sound great!!!
It was actually what folk music was like in those years what I hope it might become again-open to all types of music but most of all not taking itself so seriously- the Hal n Tow Blues- I loved it.

pavane The cake idea is a seriously good one - had a look on the site really nice cakes. Would be seriously interested in suggestions for the design for Nickies cake. A present from me & Nige & Chelmsford FC- come on Nige we can go halvies. 1st suggestion?? I await serious proposals.
Dom - who had the Gibson??
Dave Moran


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Subject: RE: The Halliard - any memories of this group?
From: pavane
Date: 08 Mar 12 - 06:33 PM

"Nic is to be awarded a Gold Medal or Badge(no less) by the English Folk Dance & Song Society on 22nd September next at Cecil Sharp House"

If you want a folk-themed cake for the occasion, or a similar event, just let me know! My daughter's creations have included a Morris dancer cake with hat, bells and baldrick, and a model of my melodeon (Hohner Erica). She is in Wales, but I could deliver.

This is her web site The melodeon cake is not yet there, but the Morris one is on the Corporate tab (though it may be moving soon)

Dominic, I will try and dig out Foggy Duo and put them on MP3 - such gems as The Day my Canary Died : "Instead of tweeting, he dropped a greeting...". Might even have you on there somewhere.

Pip_radish - I DID get into Nic first time round, and have all his albums in vinyl, unfortunately a bit scratched in places as they were well played. I STILL cannot work out the (variable) time structure of Lord Bateman.


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Subject: RE: The Halliard - any memories of this group?
From: howbe on
Date: 08 Mar 12 - 04:10 PM

Dave, I am now stuck with a mental image of The Halliard reforming as sellers of fine confectionary for the EFDSS. Any chance of singing something as well?
The Gibson I remember may well have belonged to a guitarist from the group that I cant name, if indeed they are not a figment of my imagination. I'm still in contact with Dave Brown ( and Sue ) of the Riggers so I'll ask him. His memories better than mine.
Dom


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Subject: RE: The Halliard - any memories of this group?
From: GUEST,Dave Moran
Date: 08 Mar 12 - 03:11 PM

Dom,
I reckon Im certainly gonna get the ice cream franchise and Nigel will probably be selling nuts & raisins!! Bit tough to play the mandolin and sell a bag of nuts .... but you never know'.De old memory aint what it used to be- who else were our residents??
Help anyone? Your memory outstrips mine I dont remember the Talisman's pre war Gibson- though a moderate guitar player I always lusted after Gibsons. The loveliest Gibson I ever heard at Chelmsford was Alex Campbell's. He was lovely whether sober and witty or slightly enebriated but still very funny- remember he used to blame the Gibson for a bum note- Aw you're drunk Woman- Come on !
Folk Scene Magazine did his little autobiography- 'Frae Glasga Toon' with many songs and anecdotes- bit of a rarity now is the little book- he also did a great song on the Folk Scene LP called the Chicago Fire Tragedy with I think the late John Pearse on 2nd guitar. Ive got 1 copy and Julia Jones has 2- some great stuff on that. Anyone else got a copy???It has a picture of people at the early pre Saracens Head folk Club and liner notes by Transatlantic Records Nat Joseph
Its now very very rare.
Roger the Skiffler, Thanks for the info on Spider John and I would urge anyone in the UK to go see him he is a special special guy and great boots!. He had a great harmonica player on the Blues Rags LP called Tony 'Little Sun' Glover and he wrote a hilarious article for Folk Scene about the American Folk festival Scene about 1966/7.
Dave Moran


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Subject: RE: The Halliard - any memories of this group?
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 08 Mar 12 - 12:07 PM

Spider John is in Reading in July (3rd Thursday). Not getting too excited in case he pulls out, after being disappointed when the Braithwaite Whiteley tour was cut short last year before Reading due to illness.

RtS


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Subject: RE: The Halliard - any memories of this group?
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 08 Mar 12 - 12:03 PM

Fans of Spider John (sorry about the thread creep) will be interested to know he is appearing at Reading South Street monthly blues club this year so presumably is touring elsewhere. I've put the dates up on my regular thread on stuff in this area (Ascot UK).

RtS


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Subject: RE: The Halliard - any memories of this group?
From: howbe on
Date: 08 Mar 12 - 11:43 AM

Great to hear about the planned Cecil Sharp House Concert as I'd love to attend if there are tickets. Keep us informed Dave. Also be good to see you singing or selling ice creams,perhaps both at the same time if you can multi-task.
I remember Spider John at Chelmsford, mainly for the size of his feet as you mentioned, but also his very fluid and free style of playing. A very good night at the club. Lucky to have seen him then as I seem to remember that he is now not allowed entry into the UK
for some reason.
Funnily enough I was going to ask you and Nigel about what became of the Talismen. I dont remember them that well, but a couple of songs spring to mind " Dark as a Dungeon" and " Slightly Faded " . Also was it one of the group that had a pre-war Gibson guitar, looked like something out of a skip but sounded absolutely fantastic.
Was there also another group that did the residency at Chelmsford around that time?
Anyway all the best
Dom


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Subject: RE: The Halliard - any memories of this group?
From: GUEST,Dave Moran
Date: 08 Mar 12 - 08:05 AM

Worth an early mention that Nic is to be awarded a Gold Medal or Badge(no less) by the English Folk Dance & Song Society on 22nd September next at Cecil Sharp House in London and I think all will be welcome( of course you have to buy a ticket) and so please ask your friends to attend Very early days but a concert is envisaged with Items including a short film, (which is the promo for a l-hr documentary Nic & his music, which is a work in progress); the citation and presentation of the Gold Badge; interspersed with musical interludes by famous names from his folk music past etc. I will be allowed to sell ice creams in the interval I suspect. Joking apart should be a goodie so as they say watch this space!!!Look out Dom I could sing!!!
Meanwhile does anyone remember the visit of American blues legend, Spider John Koerner to Chelmsford, he of Blues Rags & Hollers fame - he had extremely large feet and boots that fitted and played a 7 string National Guitar( 2 bottom Es) and was his own foot stompin rythm section and did a great version of Good time Charlie's Back in Town Again- he has a few youtubes and is still doing it . Finally has anyone any news of the Talismen?
Dave.


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Subject: RE: The Halliard - any memories of this group?
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 23 Feb 12 - 03:38 PM

good to see how highly his work is regarded by the younger crop of singers today ( quite rightly too )

I'm newer (been doing this stuff for four or five years) but not exactly younger - I'm old enough to have been into Nic the first time round, although in fact I missed out completely (something to do with punk, I think). I discovered Nic in about 2008, and oh my. I read somewhere that some people don't get the recognition they deserve, not because their influence is too small but because it's too big - it's like living under the shadow of a mountain, when you look out of the window you don't even see it. I've been trying to get out from under Nic's influence - in the nicest possible way - ever since I first heard him. I don't think I've managed it yet!

After Nic


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Subject: RE: The Halliard - any memories of this group?
From: howbe on
Date: 23 Feb 12 - 03:18 PM

Hi All
Nigel, I thought your recorder was exotic, even though it was only a tenor. Must have been the way you played it.

Dave, although as you said, I was refering to Ernie the singing busman, you wer'nt far out with The Singing Postman because in all the times I heard Ernie he only seemed to have four songs, two of which were Allan Smethurst songs including Have You Got A Light Boy.
Also you mentioned the sad passing of Trevor Moore of the Riggers.
I hadent see Trev for a long time but fortunately a friend let me know so I was able to attend his funeral, the first time I'd been to Chelmsford in about 30 years. We shared some very good times together and it was a pleasure to have known him. Amazing to think its over three years ago now.

Howard,your right it was Dave Galiher at Blackmore. Dont remember Chelmsford clubs " disco period " very well though. I do seem to remember you were one of Mr Delderfields merry men in Blackmore Morris as well.

Pavane,I remember a Lesley from that period so I assume that was your sister. Also remember Foggy Duo,and singing Fire and Rain.
Still rate James Taylor very highly.

Jeanie, nice to hear from you. I did actually know about the Essex Folk Archives because I stayed the night at John Durrants house having attended Trev's funeral.Great to think that those recording have been preserved for posterity but a bit alarming to wonder what peaple might think of them in another 30-40 years. I certainly think The Riggers offerings should come with a disclaimer like ( to paraphrase The Fast Show ) " of course we were very very drunk at the time " . But as you say those days were the best of times.


Great news about Nic Jones doing a couple of festival dates this year and particually good to see how highly his work is regarded by the younger crop of singers today ( quite rightly too ) and not just this ageing duffer. What about a Halliard reun..., well perhaps not, but it would be fun.

All the best
Dominic Patten


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Subject: RE: The Halliard - any memories of this group?
From: Nigel Paterson
Date: 23 Feb 12 - 07:24 AM

pavane, if you'd made it to The White Hart in Chelmsford, there'd have been a warm welcome awaiting, that's for sure. Good Music...Good Ale & the audience, when given half a chance, sang all the verses as well as the choruses!
                              Many Happy Memories,
                                                                Nigel.


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Subject: RE: The Halliard - any memories of this group?
From: pavane
Date: 21 Feb 12 - 02:48 PM

Something I will always regret - but at least I saw Nic. It's a shame that I didn't venture as far as Chelmsford at that time.


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Subject: RE: The Halliard - any memories of this group?
From: Nigel Paterson
Date: 21 Feb 12 - 12:19 PM

Dominic, First of all, great to hear from you after all this time...stirred up some memories alright! The recorder I played on 'Bold Nelson' was a Tenor...nothing half so exotic as a Bass!

And Howard, you attended my Evening Class for Guitar? I do hope I managed to teach you something of value!

pavane, you say you never saw The Halliard. You missed a treat, or so people with very long memories tell me!
                           Very Best,
                                        Nigel Paterson, Mandolin, The Halliard.


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Subject: RE: The Halliard - any memories of this group?
From: GUEST,Dave Moran
Date: 21 Feb 12 - 07:47 AM

Olde age is getting me confused of course- Dominic talked about
Ernie the singing busman and immediately thought..... oh yeah Allan Smethurst( The Singing Postman!)Sorry about that, though still and all Hev Yew Gotta Loight Boy did cause a tiny stir in the late 60's and gave me a bit of a laugh.
dave


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Subject: RE: The Halliard - any memories of this group?
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Feb 12 - 09:23 AM

Gee I thought the Arlo Guthrie memory might stir a few memories but not Ernie the Singing Postman! Who also played the Saracens Head( Chelmsford Folk Club) for us too. Raphael Tuck I think was his managers name- had launched The Singing Postman and he advertised his LP and single called Hev Ya Got a Loight Boy! in Folk Scene on the back page and we were fascinated by the idea of him. We booked him and met him over at Ashputtel.He duly arrived all smart in a suit and then when he got to the club he needed to change into his postman's uniform- which he did in the Gents, the only performer who ever changed for his performance. He actually went down very well with his broad Suffolk accent(I think) and light amiable songs.
Dont think he ever made a 2nd LP but was enjoyed that night and clearly elsewhere on the Essex and Suffolk border. Hev You Got a Loight was his biggie I think.
We did used to try out the new material at Chelmsford and its amazing how many of the songs are still sung.By the way Nic and I ( & Nigel) dont charge for nicking our stuff we are just thrilled its still happening- even as far away as Australia especially Calico and Boys of Bedlam and also Ladies (Go A Thieving)
Finally lovely to hear from the Rigger's Dominic as Trevor and I were long time old friends before even the advent of the Riggers- from when Trev worked in the mens shop in the main street almost opp the Queens Head( our 1st club venue). I was very sorry to hear what happened from Julia (Jones) recently.
Dave Moran


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Subject: RE: The Halliard - any memories of this group?
From: pavane
Date: 18 Feb 12 - 12:47 PM

Dominic,
Yes I remember you very well, might still have you on cassette somewhere (When Foggy Duo guested). I remember you singing Dandelion Blues, and was it Fire & Rain as well? I expect you knew my sister better though (Lesley Jennings). I remember the singing postman at Blackmore, (I still have the ?Folkweave recording) and Jim's guitar, too. And Bill singing Ladies dont go thieving. Didn't you get to park Disley's car?

But I moved to Wales and lost touch - lovely to hear from you again.


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Subject: RE: The Halliard - any memories of this group?
From: GUEST,Howard Jones
Date: 18 Feb 12 - 07:02 AM

Hello Dominic! I also remember you from those days, and Ernie and Jim too. Blackmore and Brentwood were the first folk clubs I went to - Blackmore was run by Dave Geliher and Simon Thorndycraft back then. I also went to Chelmsford, in the Saracen's and later when it moved into a night club, on the disco's night off (!) As you say, the local folk scene was very strong at the time, with plenty of clubs and lots of very good local performers, as well as bringing in guests. I was very much a novice myself but there were a lot of good people to learn from (I even went to Nigel's guitar evening class for a while).


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Subject: RE: The Halliard - any memories of this group?
From: Jeanie
Date: 18 Feb 12 - 06:39 AM

How lovely to read your post, Dominic ! I have many happy memories of hearing you and The Riggers playing on Sunday nights at the King's Head, Hornchurch, and all the great guest performers, as well as venturing on the bus out to The Castle in Brentwood on Fridays and to Upminster: I think at The Bridge pub and then later at The Windmill Hall.   As you say, the late 60s/early 70s were a wonderful time for folk music in the area.

You and the others on this thread may not know that there is a vast collection of recordings from the folk clubs of this time that is now held in the archives of the Essex Record Office in Chelmsford. It is the collection made by John Durrant, and you can find the catalogue here: Essex Folk Archives You and The Riggers feature very prominently in the list, along with many other familiar names from those times.

As far as early live recordings of Nic Jones are concerned, I *think* the live recording of "I'm going in a field"(on "Nic Jones Unearthed") must have been recorded at Brentwood Folk Club ca. 1970-71, and maybe some of the other songs on that album, too. A guitar string broke during the song & Nic carried on regardless, and prior to that some of us (including me !) had got a note wrong in the chorus and we were kindly "reminded" to get it right by Nic - it's all on the recording.

With very best wishes. As you say, "nostalgia can be habit forming" - but I count myself very lucky to have so many happy memories.

- jeanie


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Subject: RE: The Halliard - any memories of this group?
From: howbe on
Date: 17 Feb 12 - 06:56 PM

Pleased I found this thread, well better late than never.
I have very fond memories of the Halliard and Chelmsford Folk Club and indeed the Essex folk scene in general from the mid 1960's to the mid 1970's when I left the area.

I dont know if you will remember me but I used to play guitar with
The Riggers who, you will remember I'm sure , were one of the resident groups at Chelmsford, mainly when the club was at the Saracens Head. Consequently I saw the Halliard many times or at least when you wer'nt away on tours yourselves.I seem to remember you often tried out your new material at the club so I remember song like "Frost, Jones and Williams", "Bold Nelson "( did you play bass recorder on that Nigel ) "Ten Thousend Miles Away" and "Bold Nevison".
My favorite song was always "Ladies Dont Go Thieving" which I appropriated myself and sang for many year.The cheques in the post.
The song that used to make me smile was The Workhouse Boy, not because of the story line which is of course pretty grim, but because when Dave sang " we all of us say it, and we say it with sneers" he seemed to have the ability not just to sneer with his face but with his entire body. It was a great pleasure for me to play at the same venue as you guys. Not only were you an entertaining group and musically very strong but you were also very inventive in adapting the old Boadside ballards and giving them a new lease of life which I cant remember other singers doing at the time.
I first went to the Chelmsford club when it was at the White Hart but most of my memories are from the Saracens Head period. What a great club it was. Aside from the Halliard I was able to see some top guest singers there. There were many nights when Patsy on the door had to turn lots of people away because we just could'ent fit any more in.Another important element of the club was that as well as the known guests the Halliard would often bring in singers from other areas of the country. This may not appear a very radical idea today but in the late 60's clubs tended to book guests from their own part of the country. This meant that we were able to see for the first time in Essex singers like Dave Burland, Tony Capstick, Harvey Andrews, Jon and Mike Raven, The Yetties and the Farriers and no doubt many others that I cant bring to mind at this moment.

The Essex/ East London folk scene was very strong at this time and it was possible to go to a folk club on every night of the week and even have a choice of several on Friday and Sundays. Several of them which Dave Moran was involved with I think
I used to go to the singers club at the Bull in Blackmoor on a Monday night when it was run by a couple of guys called Chris and Dave ( I think ). I understand it's still going though sadly not at the Bull anymore. Amongst the many singers who appeared there I always had a soft spot for the the inimitable Ernie the singing busman ( anybody else remember him) and Jim Garett and his rocket shaped guitar, a very clever songwriter.

Better stop now as nostalgia can be habit forming, but thanks to Nigel,Dave and Nic for the great memories of the golden decade of folk clubs.
All the best
Dominic Patten.

P.S Just noticed the post from Pavane. We proberbly met as I used to do the residents job at Hornchurch Folk Club. Best of luck with your book


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Subject: RE: The Halliard - any memories of this group?
From: pavane
Date: 17 Feb 12 - 06:21 AM

I am about to publish my first book (a biography). Maybe a collaboration? I don't remember ever seeing Halliard, but I did go to clubs in the Romford and Hornchurch areas in the late 1960's, and am a long-term folk enthusiast (ex-Morris, too).

I have already passed to (via Ralphie) Nic & Julia a recording I made of Nic at Pontardawe in 1973 - maybe one of the earliest live recordings of him?


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Subject: RE: The Halliard - any memories of this group?
From: Nigel Paterson
Date: 16 Feb 12 - 01:44 PM

Long overdue, imho!


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Subject: RE: The Halliard - any memories of this group?
From: GUEST,Julia Jones
Date: 30 Jan 12 - 08:34 AM

I've told you before Dave, with your mental cupboard full of stories and knowledge of those early days, there is an anecdotal book to be written! xx


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