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Subject: BS: Irritatin' phrases....
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Nov 05 - 08:09 PM

Okay, I gotta admit that I'z had a purdy couplet ough days but on a long drive home today from North Carolina I was thinkin' about this ol' boy back in Wes Ginny and seems that after anything I would say to him he's say, "Yeah, I heared that..."

"Hey, Ronnie, I heard that it's gonna rain later tonight..."

"I heared that..."

"Hey, Ronnie, Ford truck rule..."

"I heared that..."

"Hey, Ronnie, I heard yer old lady is messin; with ol' Walkin' Wille.."

"I heared that..."

Yeah, another one that I'm startin' to hear that is really gettin' on my nerves is "Get her done.." Still not sure what that mean but I know it has soemthin' to do wit Larry the Cable Guy...

So what's phrases are buggin' you???

Bobert


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From: GUEST,marks
Date: 15 Nov 05 - 08:16 PM

Aint no big thang
200 years from now nobody will care
Works for me
Yeah boy
Close enough for folk (guitar tuning)


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Subject: RE: BS: Irritatin' phrases....
From: Peace
Date: 15 Nov 05 - 08:16 PM

Think outside the box

Abuse (when the individual means torture; new usage by the US Government)


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Subject: RE: BS: Irritatin' phrases....
From: Bob the Postman
Date: 15 Nov 05 - 08:21 PM

Everyone in the UK should start saying "awesome" instead of "brilliant" and everyone in North America should start saying "brilliant" instead of "awesome".


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From: curmudgeon
Date: 15 Nov 05 - 08:56 PM

Thanks for thie suggestion, BtP. We have already learned about "average" from Leadfingers just last month _ Tom


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Subject: RE: BS: Irritatin' phrases....
From: Bill Hahn//\\
Date: 15 Nov 05 - 09:00 PM

Have a Good Day!    Peter Ustinov had a great retort---I have other plans

Bill Hahn


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Subject: RE: BS: Irritatin' phrases....
From: moongoddess
Date: 15 Nov 05 - 09:16 PM

How about "You know what I'm sayin'?" Well, yes I do. Otherwise I would ask a question to clarify.

Di


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Subject: RE: BS: Irritatin' phrases....
From: GUEST,Bardford
Date: 15 Nov 05 - 09:44 PM

Clearly, at the end of the day, we look forward to moving forward, with firm resolve, anytime soon.


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Subject: RE: BS: Irritatin' phrases....
From: Cluin
Date: 15 Nov 05 - 09:48 PM

"Vote of non-confidence" irritates me right now.


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Subject: RE: BS: Irritatin' phrases....
From: Peace
Date: 15 Nov 05 - 09:53 PM

at this point in time

Just fuckin' say, "Now!"


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Subject: RE: BS: Irritatin' phrases....
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Nov 05 - 09:53 PM

Yeah, how can ya' vote *for* "non-confidence"???

Good one...


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Subject: RE: BS: Irritatin' phrases....
From: bobad
Date: 15 Nov 05 - 10:13 PM

excetera (I know it's a word and not a phrase) but it really bugs me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Irritatin' phrases....
From: Bill D
Date: 15 Nov 05 - 10:17 PM

like, no one has suggested, 'like'...


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From: GUEST,Martin Gibson
Date: 15 Nov 05 - 10:22 PM

Most of the [bleep] (for antisocial behavior)poor nigga style grammar bobert uses.


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Subject: RE: BS: Irritatin' phrases....
From: number 6
Date: 15 Nov 05 - 10:37 PM

Politicans who say ...
"I take full reponsibility"

The phrase ...."who said life is fair"

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: Irritatin' phrases....
From: Peace
Date: 15 Nov 05 - 11:28 PM

empowered


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From: Peace
Date: 15 Nov 05 - 11:41 PM

celebrate the differences


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From: GUEST
Date: 15 Nov 05 - 11:59 PM

"Fuck you" has always been a little disturbing ...


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From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 12:03 AM

At this point in time I would like to register a vote of non-confidence on behalf of those who, like, cannot think outside the box and celebrate the differences in, like, life. Who said life is fair? We could all become more empowered, etc, you know what I'm sayin'?....if we, like, could see clearly, at the end of the day and then all pull together and move forward, with firm resolve! Works for me. Anything else is tantamount to abuse.


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Subject: RE: BS: Irritatin' phrases....
From: Peace
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 12:06 AM

"Fuck you" has always been a little disturbing ..."

Depends on the punctuation. "Fuck, you?"


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Subject: RE: BS: Irritatin' phrases....
From: number 6
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 12:27 AM

Hmmmm .... good point Peace.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: Irritatin' phrases....
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 12:36 AM

Punctuation is important, yes. The phrase I had in mind, however, was without commas, and with emphasis, as in "Fuck you," and its corollary, "No, fuck you."


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Subject: RE: BS: Irritatin' phrases....
From: number 6
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 12:40 AM

to which a quick retort of Touche ... ends it all.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: Irritatin' phrases....
From: Peace
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 12:42 AM

Gotcha.


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From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 02:25 AM

disposable income - I always dispose of it, and a bit more

EQ - when they mean treble and bass

put together an attractive for you - meaning watch out! count your fingers after we've shaken hands on the deal

multi functional - every knob on this machine does several things, depends if its in a certain frame of mind - so once again watch out!

let's raise our awareness - you are stupid, you should have noticed....

gentle comedy - totally unfunny

ground breaking comedy - you're probably too stupid to get it

off the wall comedy - totally unfunny, the bosses son wrote it


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Subject: RE: BS: Irritatin' phrases....
From: MBSLynne
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 02:41 AM

I agree with you about "At this point in time" Bruce.

I also become almost apoplectic when I hear someone reporting conversation saying "And he was like, and she was like" instead of "He said, she said"

"Let's take it on board."

Another thing that annoys me to the point of actually correcting people (very dangerous thing to do!) though it's not a phrase, is people missing the letter 'T' out of the middle of words, as in "Compu'er", par'y". And in the same vein, the number of people who can't pronounce 'th'. Both these two are fine in the context of a proper regional accent, as in the south east of England, but it has now spread to the whole of the country.

Love Lynne


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Subject: RE: BS: Irritatin' phrases....
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 04:32 AM

It's the effect of the haunted goldfish-bowl that dominates so much of our lives nowadays Lynne - too much East Enders et al.


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Subject: RE: BS: Irritatin' phrases....
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 04:34 AM

Innit.


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From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 04:50 AM

How you doing? That really gets up my nose.... although I notice a disturbing tendency to use it myself. What does it mean? How you doing? How you doing what? It's just plain laziness missing out the 'are'.

Although when Matt le Blanc says it as Joey from 'Friends', it means something completely different!

Oh, and people who say 'you know what I mean?' after every sentence.....

LTS


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Subject: RE: BS: Irritatin' phrases....
From: GUEST,BazT
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 06:29 AM

This one doesn't so much annoy me as confuse me....perhaps an American can explain it for me?...

In the UK, when we don't care about something we say "I couldn't care less" i.e.

Work Colleauge: "Hey Baz, David Beckham has had an affair with his mother's dentist's housemaid's sister and they've been sending each other dirty text messages! What do you think of that then!"

Me: "I couldn't care less"

Whereas in America (and please bear in mind that the only Americans I hear speak are on TV) people say "I COULD care less". But, if you COULD care less, it means that you do care a bit. Doesn't it? But if you COULDN'T care less, then you really DON'T CARE. The most recent example of this was on some cop show (maybe CSI).

Desk Sergent: "Hey, the DI says that you'd better get some evidence together pronto or he'll have your ass!" (I paraphase of course. You can see now why I never became a professional scriptwriter.)

Hero: "I could care less"

Please cold someone explain this?

Thanks,

Baz (Pedant)


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Subject: RE: BS: Irritatin' phrases....
From: Morticia
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 07:05 AM

my pet hate which almost certainly hasn't reached the States yet, and I hope doesn't, is ' I'm not being funny but.......' well,they are usually right inasmuch as they aren't funny at all.


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Subject: RE: BS: Irritatin' phrases....
From: MBSLynne
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 07:12 AM

Oh Morti, I have a friend who ALWAYS says that when she's about to say something unpleasant about someone. Drives me mad!

Baz..perhaps it's meant as kind of irony? Like the phrase "Like I care?"

I also hate cliches that get used to death, like "Go on, make my day"

Hehe! Just thought...the same friend I mentioned above says something else that annoys me. When she's talking about someone getting cross about something she says "He went mad!" I always imagine the individual foaming at the mouth and being carted offf in a straight jacket!

Love Lynne


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Subject: RE: BS: Irritatin' phrases....
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 07:46 AM

"Oh my God!". The most over-used expression of surprise, particularly by people who seem to have no God at all.


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Subject: RE: BS: Irritatin' phrases....
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 07:48 AM

"Cheer up it might never happen." Shouted from scaffolding by a primate.


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Subject: RE: BS: Irritatin' phrases....
From: Mooh
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 08:13 AM

Yous guys. (Refer to the "plural of you" thread for more.) Mooh


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From: GUEST,Redhorse at work
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 08:29 AM

"I'm not being funny, but..." is just another case of "I'm not racist, but...", "I've got nothing against Jews but.........", "I'm not narrow-minded but....." etc. etc. which always identify a racist, anti-semite, puritan etc.etc.

My pet hate is "The fact of the matter is....", which normally precedes an opinion, usually with no visible means of support.

nick


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Subject: RE: BS: Irritatin' phrases....
From: GUEST,catsPHiddle@work
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 08:32 AM

I hear "lets touch base" far too many times at work adn it really irritates me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Irritatin' phrases....
From: GLoux
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 09:14 AM

I hate to tell you...

Okay, then don't...

-Greg


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Subject: RE: BS: Irritatin' phrases....
From: Pseudolus
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 09:26 AM

I think the "I could care less" is a sarcastic version of "I couldn't care less" like Lynne said, however it has taken on a life of it's own and lots of folks who use the phrase aren't being sarcastic at all, they are just using the phrase incorrectly...just lazy I think...but then again, I couldn't care less!

Frank


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Subject: RE: BS: Irritatin' phrases....
From: SINSULL
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 09:34 AM

Sports figures who say "Irregardless" and "110%". AAAARGHHHHHH!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Irritatin' phrases....
From: Amos
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 09:58 AM

American slang often evolves into contradictory phases where words become their own opposites. A simple example is "bad", often used now to mean "very interesting or desireable or valuable" by youngstahs.

It's the bomb, man.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Irritatin' phrases....
From: GUEST,BazT
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 09:59 AM

Poor use of language on TV annoys me, but can also be amusing. One phone-in show host made me laugh AND cry when he said "Lots of callers for today's show.....the phones are literally melting here!"

I bet they weren't.

Baz.


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Subject: RE: BS: Irritatin' phrases....
From: Bill D
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 10:19 AM

and here's one missing phrase that has been bothering me for several years. The phrase "you're welcome" seems to have almost dropped out of existence. This particularly noticeable in TV and radio when moderators thank guests for their appearance or contribution.

"Thank you for that report, John."

"Thank you." ??? for what?....for thanking me?

VERY occasionally someone will say "thank you for having me.", but "you're welcome" is becoming rare. Why?


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Subject: RE: BS: Irritatin' phrases....
From: kendall
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 10:35 AM

Pushing the envelope
State of the art
Get a handle on it
The cutting edge.
Particuly instead of particularly
Weathermen who say "Precip"
EXpecially
Eggzit instead of Exit.
And the one that really sets me off IRREGARDLESS.


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Subject: RE: BS: Irritatin' phrases....
From: GUEST,BazT
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 10:54 AM

Now there's a good one - "Pushing the envelope". I think that it means "Go the extra mile", but whereas the latter makes sense (to me at least) as an expression, I'd love to know the origin of "pushing the envelope" I always imagine someone pushing an envelope across a desk, but that can't be right - does it mean "try and put more stuff in the envelope"?

Confused and ready for bathtime, Lancs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Irritatin' phrases....
From: jonm
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 11:03 AM

We need to take a helicopter view of management jargon...


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Subject: RE: BS: Irritatin' phrases....
From: Alice
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 11:04 AM

Stay the course!

Or, as W would say, "We're gonna stay the course".

War on terror (instead of terrorism)


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Subject: RE: BS: Irritatin' phrases....
From: Sorcha
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 11:27 AM

Impacting and other nouns turned into verbs.


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From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 12:17 PM

in my humble opinion - rarely actually humble
with all due respect - usually prefaces an insult
as it were
if you will

"the edge" seems to be the with-it metaphor now. Every pop band was on the cutting edge last year. Now they are all edgy.

BazT, I think "pushing the envelope" comes from math and engineering. I remember graphs with a curving line, below which a material would be stable, and beyond which it might fail. The safe "area" (i.e., safe combinations of parameters) was said to be inside the envelope. Thus, pushing the envelope would mean going into risky territory.

Also, regular Americans have stopped saying "I could care less." That was a fad, and its day is over.


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Subject: RE: BS: Irritatin' phrases....
From: Morticia
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 12:19 PM

'Well' as used for very.......e.g well good, well hard......seems to be an afflication of british youf at the moment......


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Subject: RE: BS: Irritatin' phrases....
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 12:25 PM

I believe test pilot Chuck Yeager, who broke the sound barrier, was fond of using the phrase "push the envelope."


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Subject: RE: BS: Irritatin' phrases....
From: Charmion
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 12:43 PM

Here at National Defence Headquarters, I spend my workday in jargon heaven where perfectly sensible people converse entirely in catch-phrases. Inured as I have become to this bullcrap, I still flinch every time I hear the traffic report on the radio: "Traffic going westbound on the Queensway ..."

TRAFFIC GOING WEST, you tautological twerp! Or WESTBOUND TRAFFIC ON THE QUEENSWAY, perhaps.

BUT NOT BOTH IN THE SAME DAMNABLE PHRASE!!!!

There. I feel better.


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Subject: RE: BS: Irritatin' phrases....
From: Pseudolus
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 01:07 PM

Leenia,
   I hear the phrase "I could care less" quite often. It may have been a fad, but it certainly is not over.

Frank


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Subject: RE: BS: Irritatin' phrases....
From: GLoux
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 06:15 PM

Sorcha sez:

Impacting and other nouns turned into verbs.


A good friend (who happens to be a radio dj) calls this practice VERBING ...he "collects" them when he hears them and jokes about them on the air and off...

-Greg


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Subject: RE: BS: Irritatin' phrases....
From: Donuel
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 06:35 PM

"but the computer says..."

"I'm sorry YOU feel that way"

"Nobody else said no"

"lets not go there"


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Subject: RE: BS: Irritatin' phrases....
From: kendall
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 07:40 PM

"Different than" instead of different from.
a half an hour


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Subject: RE: BS: Irritatin' phrases....
From: Don Firth
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 07:59 PM

Jeez, don't get me started! [How's that!??]

Well, here's one linguistic oddity which is becoming less odd, unfortunately. The stuffing of extraneous syllables into words by people who either want to demonstrate how literate they are (which has the opposite effect) or by those who just don't know any better (the latter, at least, are forgivable on that account, having probably been misled by listening to the former). Two examples:

"Orientated" for the correct "oriented," which means figuring out where you are and which way you're pointing, and "preventative" for preventive, as in "preventive medicine."

When you look up the extra-syllable version in almost any dictionary, it refers you to the shorter word. There are lots of these out there and they seem to be proliferiferatatatinginging!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Irritatin' phrases....
From: GLoux
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 08:18 PM

Might could

a very regionalized American southern phrase that even very educated folks use...

It drives me nuts...(my wife used to say it)

I hope someone comes to the defense of this one, because I'll argue it to the death...perhaps mine...

-Greg


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Subject: RE: BS: Irritatin' phrases....
From: leftydee
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 08:22 PM

Using the word AWESOME for mundane stuff. "That was an AWESOME donut, dude". "OOOH, these new shoelaces are AWESOME". Come on....


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Subject: RE: BS: Irritatin' phrases....
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 09:05 PM

The unthinking use of "incredible" as a term of praise is rather irritating.

It is usually more praiseworthy to be credible.

For instance, I find most of Bush's speeches incredible, and I don't mean that as a compliment.


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Subject: RE: BS: Irritatin' phrases....
From: Celtaddict
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 09:31 PM

I will concede a place for "verbing" (wouldn't Doug Hofstadter be proud?) in some uses, such as to carpet a floor, paint a room; those uses have become standard English.
But why in the world can't anyone TRY anything anymore?
"We are trialing a new product..."


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From: GUEST,Billy
Date: 16 Nov 05 - 09:36 PM

Mainly used by radio and T.V. sports pundits - " It's a big ask " What an ugly phrase. These people are being paid to communicate, surely they can use the language properly - but that is probably too big an ask ! The worst manglers of our beautiful language are of course football commentators on the radio. Try counting how many times they say "at the minute", instead of " now " or " ever so " rather than " very " It's ever so annoying at the minute. Just another pedant. Oops, just thought of another one. Every aspect of a game is now " Key ". I heard a half-time analyst in a rugby match describe how the scrummaging would be " key ". He then went on to explain how keeping possession of the ball would be " key ". Not content with that , the kicks at goal would also be " key ". They needed locksmiths not rugby players !


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From: Jim Dixon
Date: 17 Nov 05 - 01:26 AM

Alleged & allegedly – I understand why the news media frequently use the word alleged or allegedly when reporting crime news--it's not polite (and possibly libelous) to imply that someone is guilty of a crime if they haven't been convicted. But I sometimes hear news reporters insert alleged or allegedly in places where it doesn't make sense. For example: "His friends say they can't believe he allegedly did it." Does that mean they can't believe he did it? Or they can't believe someone would allege that he did it? In any case, "His friends say they can't believe he did it" does not imply that he did it, so "allegedly" is unnecessary.

Don, you might enjoy these:

Corinth Civil War Interpretative Center

Lewis and Clark Interpretative Center

Oregon Trail Interpretative Center

White River Gardens Botanical Complex and Interpretative Center


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From: Gurney
Date: 17 Nov 05 - 02:09 AM

"Oh My God!" as someone said up there, is gratituously asking for trouble. If I was going to break one of the Commandments, it wouldn't be that one. Others sound much more fun.

"At the Coalface." Usually by someone who couldn't handle a days physical work. I was a miner long ago, so I know what a stripper looks like. They look like a bundle of wire rope.
Stripper = coalface worker.
Person who disrobes for money = Striptease artist.

"Have a nice day." I'll have any kind of day I want.

"Growun", recent repronunciation for grown and groan.

"Ahead of....." when they mean before. Ahead of the field, yes. Ahead of time, no. American usage that is infiltrating the Media.


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From: MBSLynne
Date: 17 Nov 05 - 02:50 AM

And the opposite of 'verbing'. You get an invitation, NOT an invite!

Secetary instead of secretary.

MischievIous.

Prioritising instead of giving priority to

Love Lynne


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From: MBSLynne
Date: 17 Nov 05 - 06:56 AM

And perhaps a slight thread creep....I hate the phrase "I'll take a rain check on that", but what does it mean? I know what people use it for now, but what are it's origins? Where does it come from? Anyone know?

Love Lynne


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From: Don Firth
Date: 17 Nov 05 - 12:37 PM

I just heard another doozey on the radio this morning. The story had to do with demolishing a small building used by the city and replacing it with a new one. Instead of referring to the building being "demolished," the person being interviewed kept talking about the building being "demolishioned."

I was fixing my morning hit of caffeine at the time and didn't get the whole story or who was being interviewed, but I think she was a member if the Seattle City Council. I hope it wasn't someone I voted for.

What the hell have they been teaching in our public schools in the past few decades anyway!???

Don Firth


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From: Ebbie
Date: 17 Nov 05 - 12:53 PM

Even some song lyrics irritate me.

"Oh Lord my God when I in "awesome" wonder..."

No. Your wonder isn't 'awesome'. It may be 'awefilled' but it ain't awesome.

And lately I've been hearing - once on television - 'supposably' when they meant 'supposedly'. Are they getting mixed up with the form of 'arguably'?

One of my major irritants -if only because it is used so freely and with no embarrassment, is as someone noted above: giving an 'effort of 110%.' It can't be done. If you've given 100% of what you can give, you can't give any more.


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From: John MacKenzie
Date: 17 Nov 05 - 01:03 PM

Totally unique
One of two twins
Deja vu all over again

etc etc.
Giok


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From: Don Firth
Date: 17 Nov 05 - 01:32 PM

Actually, I think "déjà vu all over again" started either as a deliberately humorous redundancy or yet another marvelous gaff from someone like Yogi Berra or Casey Stengel ("Nobody goes there anymore because it's too crowded."). Unfortunately, lots of people have picked it up and use it seriously without realizing that it is supposed to be funny.

Don Firth


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From: GUEST
Date: 17 Nov 05 - 01:52 PM

'Giok' I agree that repetitious and redundant tautology is annoying, but you already said it.


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From: Kaleea
Date: 17 Nov 05 - 01:57 PM

it's like . . .
   
   you know . . .

      the word "so" or "such" NOT followed by the word "that":
             I hate it so much! (so much, that ?????)

         I'm gonna take'n . . .
            I done went 'n . . .
                . . .when I gituhroun' tew it, . . .

    I abhor unimaginative cussing. I prefer to "cuss" in creative and colorful metaphors such as the following:

You horse's hind end!
    He's a donkey's p'toot!
      What a bunch of yayhoos!
         I think the cheese has completely
                      slipped off of her cracker!


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From: Peace
Date: 17 Nov 05 - 01:58 PM

'the person being interviewed kept talking about the building being "demolishioned."'

That person should be admonishioned, fer shore.


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From: pdq
Date: 17 Nov 05 - 03:15 PM

That was Peace's 15,000 th post on Mudcat. Congrats. Mudcat's fastest rising star.


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From: GUEST,very connected
Date: 17 Nov 05 - 04:07 PM

creepy
on the same page
cool
new age bullsh*t
go digital


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From: Ebbie
Date: 17 Nov 05 - 04:25 PM

Interesting, pdq. Your approximately 1/10th of that total has given us about that same ratio of light. Stars are bright.


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From: Kaleea
Date: 17 Nov 05 - 04:26 PM

I almost forgot one of the questions I dislike the most--

    "Uh, do you think I'm a racist?"
          -geez, duh! Why do they even ask? If you have to ask, you probably are!


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From: annamill
Date: 17 Nov 05 - 06:15 PM

"..Sorry, that position has been filled, but we'll keep your resume for 6 months".

Couldn't they tell me that before I spent time coming for an interview???

Love, Annamill

Yeh, it's been said often enough to be irratin'. Fit's right into this thread.


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From: LilyFestre
Date: 17 Nov 05 - 06:39 PM

Unfortuneatly...

Unfortuneatly the concert was canceled due to a snow storm.

Unfortuneatley the Hornets lost the game by 3 points.

Unfortuneately there were no survivors on a plane that crashed.

Unfortuneately....I hate when people use this word when referring to a tragic incident. Clearly, these 3 events are not all the same and do not evoke the same type of feelings.

Unfortuneatly, Barry had a pimple on his butt.

Unfortuneatly, Morgan died from leukemia.

GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

Michelle


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From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Nov 05 - 06:51 PM

Look, if you're going to complain about it, at least spell it right, eh?

Unfortunately, William Shatner has not yet deigned to make an appearance on this thread...


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From: Ebbie
Date: 17 Nov 05 - 06:56 PM

Little Hawk, I'm shocked.. You mean, all those times it wasn't him?


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From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Nov 05 - 06:59 PM

I said "this thread", not "this forum"! Sheesh! If I even suspected that the real William Shatner had NEVER posted on this forum, why I'd...I'd...I'd be tempted to do something rash and desperate. It would be a terrible moment.


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From: LilyFestre
Date: 17 Nov 05 - 07:44 PM

LOLOL....sorry...I knew that didn't look quite right!

Michelle


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From: kendall
Date: 17 Nov 05 - 09:12 PM

I worked for the government for many years and there is something called "Governmentese" Examples:

I communicated telephonically with so and so.
A critical high response area (potential trouble spot)
The defendant was in a state of non compliance.

Drove me nuts! I refused to use that gobblegook in my reports, so the boss sent me to report writing school. First thing the instructor said was : Watch the language in your reports. If you wish to say, "Mary had a little lamb, for Pete's sake, SAY Mary had a little lamb. Do NOT say "Mary possessed a dimunitive sheep."

I continued to write in plain English to the day I left the service.


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From: Peace
Date: 17 Nov 05 - 09:41 PM

Misunderestimate.


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From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Nov 05 - 09:51 PM

"Guesstimate" (!) (I bet Dubya uses that one...)

"Maximize"

"Prioritize"


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From: leftydee
Date: 17 Nov 05 - 10:52 PM

Hello... I'm Martin Gibson


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From: number 6
Date: 17 Nov 05 - 11:02 PM

Oh Oh


sIx


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From: GUEST,Billy
Date: 17 Nov 05 - 11:15 PM

Momentarily -- no my dear cousins, it does not mean   "In a moment ", or "Soon". It indicates a short space of time, e.g. an instant.


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From: Bert
Date: 18 Nov 05 - 01:12 AM

I'm with SINSULL on the 110% issue.

"Oh my God" should really be "Oh my Gawd" and I think we have to thank Charlie Drake for that one.

Ah yes Annamill - All those polite refusals, when you'd give anything for a "Get your sorry ass in here at 8 O'Clock Monday morning"

And 'thinking outside of the box' takes on quite a different meanbing when your cat does it.


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From: GUEST,dave'swife w/out cookie
Date: 18 Nov 05 - 01:52 AM

"It's All Good" - which is a conversational shrug
"My bad"

I laso hate Hollywood-ese. Instead of saying something was "Filmed in poland" it suddenly becomes "lensed in poland.' Something that was directed by Spielberg becomes "helmed by Spielberg."


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From: MBSLynne
Date: 18 Nov 05 - 02:46 AM

And I can't stand split infinitives, but they seem to have passed into 'correct' English now due to common usage. So....William Shatner has a lot to answer for!


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From: ossonflags
Date: 18 Nov 05 - 11:30 AM

Am I bothered?


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From: kendall
Date: 18 Nov 05 - 12:45 PM

I aint never uased one of them split things, not no way.


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From: ard mhacha
Date: 18 Nov 05 - 12:47 PM

This is used all of the time, I hope we "get a result", this began by some gormless English footballer and every bloody stupid commentator uses it now.
I heard one of our young boys use it, I told him if the game finishes both teams will get a result, if you are beaten 10-1 that is a result.


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From: Peace
Date: 18 Nov 05 - 01:06 PM

A preposition is a word one should never end a sentence with.

Thank you, Winston.


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From: GUEST,Nancy King at work
Date: 18 Nov 05 - 01:25 PM

"Presently," when misused to mean "currently." It really means "soon."


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From: Don Firth
Date: 18 Nov 05 - 03:16 PM

The word is "cool," and it had an immense amount of currency back in the Sixties. I didn't use it much myself, but it didn't particularly bother me, other than that it was applied to everything. But a friend of mine taught Art in high school, and he heard it about forty times more often than I did. One of his students turned in a cartoon which my friend thought was not only not funny, but in generally bad taste. He said so. The student said, "Well, gee, Mr. Landberg, I though it was real cool!" My friend responded, "If, by 'real cool,' you mean 'not so hot,' then I quite agree!"

Don Firth


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From: kendall
Date: 18 Nov 05 - 04:19 PM

And the most often mis used word...Hopefully.
Oh, and Partying.


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From: MBSLynne
Date: 18 Nov 05 - 04:32 PM

aaaaagh! Just reminded of one while watching "Children in Need" ...why do people who want you to applaud someone these days say "Give it up for ____"? Give what up? Why?


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From: Musique174
Date: 18 Nov 05 - 04:34 PM

My personal pet peeve is: "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger."

Others include:
"Get over it"
"You'll live"
"You're so mature for your age"
"Wow, you're so old for your age"
"wow you're only __ age, you seem so much wiser than that"

~Nat


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From: Peace
Date: 18 Nov 05 - 05:28 PM

"Here's a quarter . . . ".

I'm in Canada. It's $.35, idiot!

Feel better now.


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From: Jim Dixon
Date: 18 Nov 05 - 06:32 PM

I have grown to abhor the passive voice, especially in business communication, because its vagueness often leads to misunderstanding. Passive voice says something will be done without saying who will do it. People read things like "The files will be backed up weekly" and think, "Is he promising he will do it, or telling me to do it, or—?" That's assuming the readers are bright enough, and responsible enough, to ask the question.

My boss recently wrote a lot of policies and procedures for our internal web site. They were meant describe the kind of work we do in our department, and to be read by people in other departments, so they would know what to expect from us. I found she had used passive voice repeatedly. I tried to explain why passive voice was undesirable. She said she liked passive voice because it sounded "less directive." In other words, she thought it sounded more polite to suggest that something might be done rather than tell someone to do it outright. In every case where she wrote in passive voice, she wanted the reader to understand that she was describing something the reader was supposed to do, but she didn't want to come right out and say that!

When I pointed out the possible misunderstanding—people might think we were promising to do the very thing she wanted them to do—she agreed to let me make the changes.

My grammar checker is set to flag all instances of passive voice, and it does a pretty good job. For example, it flagged "will be done," "were meant," and "might be done." It missed "will be backed up" and "was supposed."

The classic passive voice cop-out: "Mistakes were made."


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From: Peace
Date: 18 Nov 05 - 07:06 PM

I'm with you on that one, Jim.


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From: GUEST,Dave'sWife w/out cookie
Date: 18 Nov 05 - 09:24 PM

Jim.. one of my degrees is in Linguistics - I taught a University course in Socio-linguistics for a time. I have found that people who habitually rely on passive voice often cmomunicate through other cues that they fear blame, failure or fear confrontation. I realize that doesn't seem to apply in the case you mentioned, but if you look at other subtle cues within the sentences, you may see that the person is attempting to deflect attention away from themselves, for whatever reason.


Passive voice has come into common business usage as a result of public acceptance of 'spin' speak. It has seeped into daily usage and become the norm. It's a sympton of the larger lack of accountibility that has become tolerable in our culture. it has its place in legalese and in literature, but has become over-employed in common usage.


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From: gecko
Date: 18 Nov 05 - 10:31 PM

As I see it, the only good thing about 'catchphrases' is that they go out of fashion eventually - though not soon enough for me.

Four that currently drive me to distraction are:

whatever
level playing field
it's all good - Dave's wife beat me to that one, and
not a problem.

Don Watson's recent book 'That Death of the English Language' should be mandatory reading for all politicians and bureaucrats, to mention just two groups who regularly indulge themselves with mis-use of our beautiful language.

YIU
gecko


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From: Ron Davies
Date: 19 Nov 05 - 08:28 AM

I think it's great that "cool" is still around.

But it's sure true thet folks shuld proofrede anything afore they let it go.   An they sure don't.


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From: GUEST,guest pedant
Date: 19 Nov 05 - 10:14 AM

The use of the word "panties" in books enrages me. Especially if being worn by a mutilated corpse in a good thriller.


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From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Nov 05 - 02:17 PM

Passive sentences. Governmentese. Jim Dixon, I hear you!

I'm sure that the passive voice is de rigeur for government documents in particular because nobody has to accept responsibility for anything. "A mistake was made" allows everybody to tuck their heads between their shoulders and mutter, "Not me!"

During the late Eighties I worked for a couple of years as a technical writer, writing up residential weatherization inspectors' reports for the Bonneville Power Administration. In a six page report, about two of those pages were boilerplate that was downright opaque, mainly because of long, convoluted sentences in passive voice. One afternoon when no data had come in yet from inspectors and there was little for me to do, I took a 120 word paragraph out of the boilerplate and tried to suss out what it was really trying to say. I managed to rewrite it into two fairly short, clear paragraphs totaling 90 words. In my next report, I replaced the boilerplate paragraph with my clear, more concise paragraphs. I naively thought that I was doing the BPA a favor and whenever I had the opportunity, I'd go through the whole document, clean it up, and make it readable.

Guess who got his hand slapped and told to replace the original paragraph?

Don Firth


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From: kendall
Date: 19 Nov 05 - 03:01 PM

Phrases such as "Her and me went downtown". Worse yet, "me and her went..."


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From: GUEST,mick
Date: 20 Nov 05 - 09:50 AM

I personally think that "I personally" is the most irritating phrase .


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From: DMcG
Date: 20 Nov 05 - 01:38 PM

I recently heard an account of a football match where one side had many advantages over the other - better funding, more support etc. The losing team complained they did not have a level playing field.

Well, I can see how that wouldn't have helped...


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From: Peace
Date: 20 Nov 05 - 03:58 PM

"I myself . . ." ranks right up there, too.


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From: Firecat
Date: 20 Nov 05 - 04:01 PM

If one more person says "At the end of the day" to me, I can NOT be responsible for my actions.


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Subject: RE: BS: Irritatin' phrases....
From: Peace
Date: 20 Nov 05 - 04:20 PM

People who use an English expletive and then say, "Pardon my French."


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From: kendall
Date: 20 Nov 05 - 04:20 PM

Gnome sane?


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From: Peace
Date: 20 Nov 05 - 05:05 PM

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms Lewinsky."


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