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BS: KatrinaGate

Bobert 09 Jan 06 - 10:13 AM
GUEST,Geoduck 09 Jan 06 - 09:54 AM
Bobert 09 Jan 06 - 09:08 AM
GUEST,A 09 Jan 06 - 08:36 AM
Bobert 09 Jan 06 - 08:33 AM
CarolC 09 Jan 06 - 06:51 AM
GUEST,Geoduck 09 Jan 06 - 01:09 AM
Bobert 08 Jan 06 - 10:39 PM
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GUEST 08 Jan 06 - 01:35 AM
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Q (Frank Staplin) 02 Jan 06 - 08:53 PM
GUEST,G 02 Jan 06 - 07:08 AM
Ebbie 02 Jan 06 - 01:24 AM
Q (Frank Staplin) 02 Jan 06 - 12:18 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Jan 06 - 10:13 AM

Katrina Gate 101- Lesson Two

(Teacher's note to Duck: Please do not disturb the class anymore about things that don't pretain to these subject matter of this class. If you'd like to discuss the history of New Orleans then please sign up for "History of New Orleans 101". Thank you)

Now after FEMA was gutted and demoted to "protect the American people" the Department of Homeland Security became the big dog and not only was it responsible for protecting the American people but it came in as a full departemnt with it's Secretary being in the president's cabinet.

Now just to be sure that all the "dots were connected" and the "American people would be safe" the Department of Homeland Security and the folks on the president's staff developed something called the National Response Plan. The NRP looked at many scenerios where it might have to act in the event of a natural or terrorist led disaster. It even wnet so far as to plan for an event that might render local governemnts helpless. Within the NRP were procedures that would be followed if such an eventy occured.

Now, the United Sates governemnt has a chain of command much like any business or corporation or the military and orders come from the top and are passed downward. In the case of a nutural or terrorist led disaster the command would look something like this: President orders the Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security to act and the Secretary of DHS oders varuious agenciesm. including FEMA, to act. Can FEMA act on it's own, you might ask. Well, that's a good question. The answer is, "No". It must be ordered to act by the Secretay of the DHS who had been ordered to act by the president.

                           End of Lesson 2


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,Geoduck
Date: 09 Jan 06 - 09:54 AM

Whoa Perfesser square pants, if you are going recite history to us to build a foundation for your rant aginst the government, let's go back to when New Orleans first became part of America.

Thomas Jefferson violated the Constitution in the process so maybe we should reverse his decision give it back to France. We have to keep an eye on those presidents who make up their own laws and fix up what they broke don't we?

The Louisiana Purchase


http://gatewayno.com/history/LaPurchase.html

By a treaty signed on Apr. 30, 1803, the United States purchased from France the Louisiana Territory, more than 2 million sq km (800,000 sq mi) of land extending from the Mississippi River to the Rocky Mountains. The price was 60 million francs, about $15 million; $11,250,000 was to be paid directly, with the balance to be covered by the assumption by the United States of French debts to American citizens.

In 1762, France had ceded Louisiana to Spain, but by the secret Treaty of San Ildefonso (1800) the French had regained the area. Napoleon Bonaparte (the future Emperor Napoleon I) envisioned a great French empire in the New World, and he hoped to use the Mississippi Valley as a food and trade center to supply the island of Hispaniola, which was to be the heart of this empire. First, however, he had to restore French control of Hispaniola, where Haitian slaves under TOUSSAINT L'OUVERTURE had seized power (1801; see HAITI). In 1802 a large army sent by Napoleon under his brother-in-law, Charles Leclerc, arrived on the island to suppress the Haitian rebellion. Despite some military success, the French lost thousands of soldiers, mainly to yellow fever, and Napoleon soon realized that Hispaniola must be abandoned. Without that island he had little use for Louisiana. Facing renewed war with Great Britain, he could not spare troops to defend the territory; he needed funds, moreover, to support his military ventures in Europe. Accordingly, in April 1803 he offered to sell Louisiana to the United States.

Concerned about French intentions, President Thomas Jefferson had already sent James Monroe and Robert R. Livingston to Paris to negotiate the purchase of a tract of land on the lower Mississippi or, at least, a guarantee of free navigation on the river. Surprised and delighted by the French offer of the whole territory, they immediately negotiated the treaty.

Jefferson was jubilant. At one stroke the United States would double its size, an enormous tract of land would be open to settlement, and the free navigation of the Mississippi would be assured. Although the Constitution did not specifically empower the federal government to acquire new territory by treaty, Jefferson concluded that the practical benefits to the nation far outweighed the possible violation of the Constitution. The Senate concurred with this decision and voted ratification on Oct. 20, 1803. The Spanish, who had never given up physical possession of Louisiana to the French, did so in a ceremony at New Orleans on Nov. 30, 1803. In a second ceremony, on Dec. 20, 1803, the French turned Louisiana over to the United States.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Jan 06 - 09:08 AM

Stay tuned, A, for Lesson Two...

And, BTW, yes, there will be a test after all the lessons have been completed so you perhaps should pay close attention...


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,A
Date: 09 Jan 06 - 08:36 AM

The same circumstances still prevail. Those who want to blame GWB for any negative concerning Katrina (and their ingrown toenail)are still brushing off, ignoring or just failing to comprehend facts that appear negative to the NO and LA governments. I wonder what it will take. Nevermind, negative mindsets are just that.

Why did Mississippi have pretty good results? MS is well on the road to rebuilding while NO is STILL arguing where to place trailers for housing those still in other cities.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 09 Jan 06 - 08:33 AM

Katrina Gate 101 for the Duck

Once upon a time, a very bad thing happened and some angry people from Saudi Arabia hyjacked 4 American Airliners and flew 2 of the into buildings in New York, 1 into the Pentagon and the last airliner crashed in a Pennsylvania woods. This occured on September 11th and so it has since just been referred to as "Nine Eleven".

Well, after nine-eleven, Presdent Bush confessed that his administartion had not "connected the dots" but promised to do better in the future even if it meant "hard work" because he said it was his job to "protect the American people".

So his inner circle of friends had secret "connect the dots/protect the American people" meetings and decided that FEMA didn't need to be a Department anymore and so they gutted it and demoted it.

                      End of Lesson 1


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: CarolC
Date: 09 Jan 06 - 06:51 AM

Here's some perspective from someone who was involved in the Hurricane Pam exercise...

http://suspect-device.blogspot.com/2005/09/hurricane-pam-where-it-all-started-to.html

"You may have seen mention of the "Hurricane Pam" exercise in press coverage of Louisiana's emergency preparedness, or lack thereof. I was at the Hurricane Pam exercise, and I think maybe I can clear a few things up...

...There was a certain amount of contention, a few turf wars, some loud talk. None if it consequential, in the end, because of the single greatest emollient: FEMA. The Federal Emergency Management Agency promised the moon and the stars. They promised to have 1,000,000 bottles of water per day coming into affected areas within 48 hours. They promised massive prestaging with water, ice, medical supplies and generators. Anything that was needed, they would have either in place as the storm hit or ready to move in immediately after. All it would take is a phone call from local officials to the state, who would then call FEMA, and it would be done. There were contracts-in-place with major vendors across the country and prestaging areas were already determined (I'll have more to say about this later, but this is one reason FEMA has rejected large donation and turned back freelance shipments of water, medical supplies, food, etc: they have contracts in place to purchase those items, and accepting the same product from another source could be construed as breach of contract, and could lead to contract cancellation, thus removing a reliable source of product from the pool of available resources. I'm not saying I agree with this -- in fact, I don't, and think it's boneheaded -- but the reasoning is that if they accept five semis of water from the east Weewau, Wisconsin, Chamber of Commerce, the water supplier who is contractually bound to provide 100,000 gallons per day will be freed from that obligation.

The organizers of the exercise -- particularly the former commender of LOHSEP, Col. Michael Brown (not that one) -- insisted that the plans contain no "fairy dust": no magical leaps of supply chains or providers: if you said you would need 500 semis for your part of the plan, you had to specify where the 500 semis were coming from. Everyone tried to keep the fairy dust to a minimum, and they did so, for the most part, despite having big plans: LSU, Southern, Southeastern and other campuses dismissed for the semester and turned into giant triage centers/tent cities; acres of temporary housing built on government-owned land; C-130 transport planes ferrying evacuees to relatives in other states, and so on. Bold plans, but doable, with cooperation. A comprehensive plan was beginning to emerge.

Except that it didn't. A followup conference, to iron out difficulties in some of the individual plans and to formalize presentation of the final package, scheduled for either late '04 or early '05 -- I can't remember and can find no mention of the followup event on the web -- was cancelled at the last minute, due to lack of funding (which agency called the cancellation, I'm not sure, although the lack of funds would take it all back to FEMA, in the end).

So: Louisiana did have a hurricane plan, but was devising a new one, to be based on recommendation from the people who would actually be doing the work. The need to evacuate people from impact areas, including those without transportation or the means to obtain it, was discussed, despite media assertions to the contrary. The possibility of levee overflow was discussed (levee breaching may have been discussed at some point, but I was in the dewatering room, and I never heard it mentioned. A rescue and evacuation plan, including sheltering, was reasonably firm. There were and are officials in Louisiana, including New Orleans Emergency Management, who know the limitations of current planning and who have been trying to come up with a better solution.

The problem is FEMA, and by extension the Department of Homeland Security, which gobbled FEMA up in 2003. FEMA promised more than they could deliver. They cut off deeper, perhaps more meaningful discussion and planning by handing out empty promises. The plans that were made -- which were not given any sort of stamp of authority -- were never distributed or otherwise made available to those who most needed stable guidance; they vanished into the maw of FEMA and LOSHEP (probably when Col. Brown was removed from his command due to financial "irregularities" -- the project was tainted after that). Adoption of the National Incident Management System (NIMS) would have made most of the plans moot anyway -- FEMA's adherence to the untried NIMS is a primary reason for the chaos and ineptitude surrounding their relief efforts."


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,Geoduck
Date: 09 Jan 06 - 01:09 AM

So these are facts? They are not and that is a fact.

All research from the Let's blame it on Bush research center and no results.

I guess "send me everything you have" should have triggered FEMA and the Navy Marching band too.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Jan 06 - 10:39 PM

Nice piece of BS, Duckster...

So, Duckster, when did this conversation occur???

Ahhhhh, while you are explaing that, how about expalining how turning over of troops to N.O would have triggered FEMA to act???

Kinda fuzzy on that one...

Please review the NRP before answering since you've allready made a "duck" of yerself her with the last post...

Bobert (Katrina expert)


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,Geoduck
Date: 08 Jan 06 - 10:27 PM

It don't take much of a try. You say "should have been" You don't know?

Katrina expert Bobert, when did you know who say this:

Miles O'Brien: What what day did you ask for Federal troops? "I don't even know what day it is."

"I really need to call for the military, I mean, I really should have started that in the first call."

Why is Nagin fighting with the city council while FEMA is sitting on thousands of RV's that people need asking where to put them while the arguees are both pointing a finger at FEMA saying they are taking too long?
That don't even take a try. It is slam dunk evidence that the government down there is incoptent. COuld they be Democrats?

Put some facts where your mouth is.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 08 Jan 06 - 09:35 PM

Like, who cares...

This is testimony aboutr vents that happened welll after Bush failed to repond...

FEMA, using the Natinoal Respose Plan, should have been on this days before what Blanco is talking about here...

But good try, GUEST... Keep workin'...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Jan 06 - 01:35 AM

CNN Transcript:

GOV. KATHLEEN BLANCO, LOUISIANA: Well, in the heat of battle a lot of things happen. And we feel like we're in the heat of battle. That having been said, we had a great day together. The president came in and we believe that he solidly is behind our efforts, without a doubt.

O'BRIEN: Solidly behind your efforts, although there's been much written about kind of a power tussle between the two of you. Specifically, the mayor was telling us about a flight on Air Force One. And he said that you and he and the president were all in a room and finally you and the president went separately to have a meeting.

Listen to what the mayor told us, ma'am, if you will.

MAYOR RAY NAGIN, NEW ORLEANS: He called me in that office after that and he said, Mr. Mayor, I offered two options to the governor. I said -- and I don't remember exactly what -- two options. I was ready to move today, but the governor said she needed 24 hours to make a decision.

O'BRIEN: Twenty-four hours, is that right? Was that what came out of that meeting on the tarmac with the president?

BLANCO: Soledad, the mayor was not in my meeting. And it was -- I'll tell you, it was a meeting that did not affect what was going on out in the field. They were talking about paper organizations, nothing else, nothing more, and they gave me a very complicated proposition to look at. It didn't help our effort in that instant moment. I needed a little time to understand exactly what it meant. We went forward, all of us, all of the resources were there, nothing stopped. We ended up coming to terms and agreement, and I think that the effort is going great.

O'BRIEN: Coming to terms, meaning that you rejected, after that 24-hour window, that you didn't have any interest in federalizing the troops or turning power over to the president. Why not hand it over, Madam Governor, when the first five days, and I think that meeting was on Friday, so the first several days of the recovery were clearly disastrous?

BLANCO: The first five days of the recovery were heroic. We were the people who took control. The National Guard took control of the city, brought order out of chaos, because we have law enforcement authority. The federal troops do not. I was very concerned about giving up law enforcement authority.

O'BRIEN: Heroic, but by a very small number of people who were on the ground. In fact, I believe it was Friday morning when I was talking to the FEMA director who had only just seen that there were tens of thousands of people at the convention center. So at least by Thursday, let's say the first four days, those people at the convention center were actually not getting anything. If it was not well coordinated...


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,Geoduck
Date: 08 Jan 06 - 01:11 AM

Times Pickayune Saturday, January 07, 2006
The mayor and council have been sparring about which sites in New Orleans should be used to house trailers as temporary homes for returning residents. The council had passed an ordinance giving its members authority to block trailer sites in their districts after the mayor had proposed sites that included parks and playgrounds. Nagin vetoed the ordinance but the council overrode the veto. Nagin then said the trailers site would stand, regardless of the council action, but later back tracked.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 02 Jan 06 - 08:53 PM

You're probably right, Ebbie (haven't looked it up). CNN made it sound like the equivalent in magnitude to the Great Wall of China.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,G
Date: 02 Jan 06 - 07:08 AM

I could have envisioned the money spent for a new airport on the mainland. Island airports )except in Japan) are very small and probably would not have required $23 million. But, that is sensible.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Ebbie
Date: 02 Jan 06 - 01:24 AM

A slight addendum, Q: the "bridge to nowhere" in Alaska has been cancelled at the moment. There were a number of responses from Alaskans and others, calling for redirection of those 23 Million dollars and Congress eventually allotted the overall sum and told Alaska to figure out for herself where she wants to spend it. The governor's administration is working on that now.

Incidentally, as I've mentioned in a thread before, Bridge to Nowhere never quite reflected the truth. It is true that only about 50 people live on the island; however, the airport is on that island and outgoing and homecoming townspeople have to pay $12.00 each way for a very short ride each time they leave town or when they meet someone at the airport. Notwithstanding that, not only other Alaskans but many Ketchikan people were agin it. One person FOR it was the governor, who grew up there.

Now, ask me about the "Million Dollar Bridge to Nowhere", and we'll have something to talk about. That was erected in the wilderness under Republican Governor Wally Hickel back in the 60s or 70s.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 02 Jan 06 - 12:18 AM

There seems to be a measure of corruption wherever contracts are involved, regardless of the level of government. Some blame must adhere to the Louisiana Congressmen who voted to spend half a billion (and rising) on a bridge across the Navigation Canal and postpose spending on levees along it, but this neglect of levees along a federally maintained navigable waterway is a result of failed federal responsibility, including the president's.

A bridge to nowhere in Alaska is approved in Congress when the same amount of money could help improve our waterways and highways; many other examples of pork-barreling and waste could be mentioned.

A few corrupt cops and inept local politicians is small potatoes, compared with failure to lead and to fight mis-directed spending at the federal level.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,Geoduck
Date: 01 Jan 06 - 10:53 PM

Yo Q:

I can understand some of what you are saying but what is the situation down there on local corruption?

We need more people posting here, pro and con, guests or not. The cons think this is their turf and get hostile when someone opposes them by pointing out their fabrications.

Freedom of speech is reserved for them.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 01 Jan 06 - 10:22 PM

Bobert, thought I'd take a look here after seeing your message to the anonymouthed guests.
I haven't posted here because I got sorta low about the whole affair, since the maximum leader has only suggested ante-ing up for 3 level hurricane protection when more is needed. Especially when the main levees that protect N. O. from flood are on the navigable canal which is the responsibility of the federal government.

The Impeach thread didn't catch my interest either, since if bushy is tossed, the next in line is scary rather than just plain stupid.

Even the possibility of making a nice bit of change building condos and marinas in the Ninth Ward, after the po' were displaced and trailered and suckered out of their title deeds, didn't raise my spirits much.

But such is life where an administration spends billions killing Iraqis and young Americans, when so much needs attention at home.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Peace
Date: 01 Jan 06 - 08:50 PM

"Remember those Japs they found in the Phillipines a few years back?"

But then one should expect shit for brains from a racist.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Peace
Date: 01 Jan 06 - 08:49 PM

Hey. Old 'shit for brains' is back. Gonna tell us all about--uh, yeah, WMDs that were found in Iraq?


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,Geoduck
Date: 01 Jan 06 - 08:46 PM

I am pointing out the wrong thinking of maladjusted people like Amos, Peace, Ron D and Bobert.

Their thinking is biased because Bush won the election twice despite their best efforts to keep him from winning.

Then they claim he did not win and they rail against everybody that tries to inform them of the truth. They cannot produce any facts to support their positions. They resort to scarasm, entertainment, altering people's names, really credible stuff. All the while they say things like "statistics are for loosers"

Remember those Japs they found in the Phillipines a few years back? They still believed they were at war while the rest of the world was moving along.

It is time for these in denial people to join the rest of the world.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Jan 06 - 08:01 PM

Good point, Bruce... Maybe that's why they call 'um GUEST's???


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Peace
Date: 01 Jan 06 - 06:26 PM

"Yeah, GUEST, since you think"

That was your first erroneous assumption, Bobert.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Jan 06 - 06:04 PM

Yeah, GUEST, since you think Bush is doing such a fine job maybe you'd like to go back the first post in this thread and answer for him.... Here we are over 150 posts and other then partisan opinios and name calling by you and the other "couragous" GUESTS I can't think of one of you who has provided the slightest rebuttal to that original argument that I presented...

Yeah, big brave GUESTS... Can sho nuff huff n' puff but that seems to be about all you collectively have done since I started this thread...

Tell me why Michael Brown took the bullet...

Tell me again why the National Response Plan wasn't followed...

Tell me again how great a job Bush is doing protecting the Amercian people...

You won't... Heck, none of you Bushite GUESTS can....

You'll just try to brush this off... great defense... ignore ther facts and real arguments...

Normal...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jan 06 - 05:42 PM

Oh, it is Geoduck again. The dumb shit who said there were WMDs in Iraq, even when Bush disagreed with him. Welcome back stupid.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jan 06 - 04:31 PM

You are not exposing anyone or anything. Simply listing wildassed charges and quoting the opinions of others because they happen to agree with your biased way of thinking.

I think GWB is doing a fairly good job inasmuch as the Country was allowed free wheeling the 8 years before him and even possible a little of that happened with Bush 1.


What a mess GWB come into, the Country settling into a recession, the military cut in half, foreign relations on the back burner and several countries given the gift of A-Bomb possibilites by his predecessor and a couple of half-baked appointees. Madeline and The secret document thief come to mind. "It was just an accident that those papers ended up in my socks."

And then 9-11 which was just the next part of an escalating series of terriost operations which include the World trade center a few years before, the Saudi barracks, the Kuwaiti barracks, the USS Cole, the US foreign Embassies, etc. Don't you think that whoever was watching the store could have caught a clue?

Naw, lets just blame a President who is trying to correct all those messes.

I don't know if I qualify to be "Bushite" or not. I am not really sure what that is. However, if I do have enough points to be called one, let me be the first to assure you that you cannot get under my skin. I have not seen the talent here necessary to do that.

You apparently have grandiose thoughts about your abilities. That is delusional. We shall work on the paranoid tendencies later.

Just don't look over your shoulder until that lesson is covered.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Jan 06 - 03:20 PM

Ain't 'bout one courage or lack there of... I've put my self in harms way to fight the good fights, be it fighting for civil rights, stopping dumb-ass wars, teaching GED in the Richmond city jail or working at a drug rehab facility in the roughest neighborhood in Richomond...

Courage is measured an many different forms...

Maybe you'd like to strp out from behind the duck-mask long enough to share what you have done in yer life that required courage, GUEST, Geoduck...

As fir GUEST, guest... Hey, it ain't paranoia if they are out to get you... Seems that a few of us get under the Bushite's skin here because we expose Bush for the lousy president he is and our reward for exposing Bush are constant attacks from these Bushites...

So, yeah, I'll admit that if yer an Amos, or a Ron Davis, or a Bobert, these folks are gonna try to roll you under the bus every chance they get... That's all they have left... They think if they loose one danged point then the house of cards will fold so they claw and the distratc and they call folks names and, and, and...

Sure, I mess with folks names but I don't do it with maliciosness but a level of humor that doesn't come accross when these folks attack me... Perfect example is right here... I sometimes call Geoduck, Quackster or Duck... (Like, how mean spirited, Bobert)... In turn I get post like the one above from the Quacki which implies that someone who does not agree lockstep with the policies of his country does not have "courage"??? LIke what is that all about???

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,Geoduck
Date: 01 Jan 06 - 11:32 AM

Does Bobert have the courage to fight for his country or would he rather fight for thr deserters who flee to Canuckistan?

I heard something about a hanging down in Fort Jefferson for some people who thought they were doing the right thing.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 01 Jan 06 - 10:12 AM

No attack intended, I noticed you are easily offended when no real offense is intended. Besides, I am "Guest", you are "Bobert" and how much definition does that give the 'casual observer'?

Did I not say "let us know the next time you are in Chicago"?

Certainly did not mean to imply you are 'a-nony-moose'.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Jan 06 - 09:31 AM

The point was that I am not an annonomous GUEST, GUEST, as someone implied... I'm a real person who ain't all that hard to find, unlike those like yourself who have all the courage of a drive-by shooter...

Yeah, it's easy to attack others from GUESTdom...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jan 06 - 09:06 AM

bobert, with regard to many of your posts, it would appear your concern with being "legit" is your greatest concern.
A CD coming out , attending getaways and performing as sidewalk bob mean nothing to the casual observer. Next time you do a show in Chicago, let us know. The music scene there is going well.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,Just figgered it out.
Date: 01 Jan 06 - 02:59 AM

Old Guy is not all that old and 'he' is not a guy. You lasted a few months. Better than you deserve.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Peace
Date: 01 Jan 06 - 02:20 AM

"But was yore mama and Peace married?"

Absolutely. Unlike your background--you having been begat on a duchess by a head waiter--ours is darn near immaculate.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,Edward
Date: 01 Jan 06 - 02:17 AM

Bush To Make Up Missed National Guard Service This Weekend

March 3, 2004 | Issue 40•09

WASHINGTON, DC—In a move intended to dispel criticism over his Vietnam-era military record, President Bush announced Monday that he will spend the weekend at the Sheppard Air Force Base in Wichita Falls, TX, to make up his missed National Guard service.

Enlarge ImageBush To Make Up Missed National Guard Service This Weekend

Bush tries on his new uniform.

"My fellow Americans, let's put an end to this controversy," Bush said. "This weekend, I'll take two days off from leading the greatest nation in the world, go down to Texas, and do drills with the Texas Air National Guard, if that'll make you happy. I can't imagine anything more important for me to do than sets of push-ups with a bunch of enlisted Guardsmen."

Added Bush: "Don't let me forget to ask Cheney to fill in for me as leader of the free world. Because I'll be busy spit-shining flight boots."

Critics claim records show that Bush was not seen by his direct military superiors from May 1972 to June 1973. The controversy, which first arose during Bush's Texas gubernatorial bid in 1994, resurfaced Jan. 17, when filmmaker Michael Moore called Bush a "deserter" at a rally for Democratic candidate Wesley Clark.

Although the White House has tried to prove that Bush fulfilled his obligations by releasing torn payroll records and evidence of a dental check-up, many remain unconvinced. Critics have said Bush's reluctance to release his entire military file indicates that he's hiding something.

"Go ahead and wave your dusty stacks of papers, call names, and point fingers," Bush said. "I'm just going to have to be the bigger man."

Bush, whose approval numbers have declined in recent weeks, said the accusations were false, but that he was willing to do "whatever it takes to please everybody" so that he "can return to the business of governing the country."

"I had to cancel dozens of appointments with cabinet members, congressional leaders, and foreign dignitaries," Bush said. "All that stuff's going to have to wait, since this 30-year-old story is apparently a pressing national concern, or something."

White House communications director Dan Bartlett appeared on CNN with Wolf Blitzer to defend the president.

"Others want to focus on talk, but President Bush is focused on action," Bartlett said. "George Bush, whose chief priority is keeping our country safe in a post-September 11 world, believes that going down there and making up a couple days' service is the best way to finally put this issue to rest."

Retired Army Gen. John Wilcox warned Bush that his service in Alabama might have unexpected consequences.

"Once he gets there, he's an enlisted man like anybody else," Wilcox said. "A lot of other National Guard and Army reservists thought they were just signing up for some tame domestic training and ended up in Iraq or Afghanistan. The president is taking a real risk here. For his sake and the sake of the nation, I hope he doesn't get shipped out."

At a press conference Monday afternoon, a reporter asked White House press secretary Scott McClellan why Bush wasn't making up his time in Alabama, where critics say he failed to report for drills during the entire time he was working on a family friend's U.S. Senate campaign.

"Well, the president is familiar with the base in Texas, so he chose to do his service there," McClellan said. "Why would he go to some random base in Alabama that he's never even been to before? I mean—let me start over. He did serve at the Alabama base, but we felt it would be easier to accommodate travel to a base that was closer to his ranch in Crawford. Case closed."


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,Old Guy
Date: 31 Dec 05 - 10:12 PM

But was yore mama and Peace married?


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 31 Dec 05 - 08:13 PM

Ain't no trouble finding me, Old Guy... I got a CD comin' out next month... I attend Getaways... I perform under "Sidewalk Bob"... If you want to find out even more then go to the Page News and Courier (Vol 138 No. 35, Sept.1, 2005) and check out my smiling face on the front page and a nice article about some of ther stuff I'm into...

Ain't no guessin' about my legit... I've met one heck of alot of Mudcatters who would tell ya if I'm legit... Might of fact, if you still have doubts, start a thread entritled "Is Bobert Legit?"...

Oh, BTW, may a follow-up thread entitled "Is GUEST, Old Guy Legit" might be intersting... Of course, lie the MG thread that MG prolly atarted himself under another phony "guest" you'd prolly be the obly one postin' to it...

But, what the hey, have a nice new years...

Bobert "the Legit"


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,Old Guy
Date: 31 Dec 05 - 11:30 AM

I found a Bobert in the phone book:

Feizel Bobert
10932 Brunson Way
Glen Allen, VA 23060
804-270-6549

I found a peace too:
A. Peace
110 Main St
Stump Creek, PA 15863
814-427-5252

So I guess you guys are legit.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Peace
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 11:07 PM

Bobert, my son, ignore that guy. He is a misled individual.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Peace
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 10:54 PM

OG, all you have ever sired is apologist crap. Bobert is a fine young man as you can see by his posts. He has the verve and good manners to post under his own name.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: CarolC
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 10:33 PM

Send me everything youv'e got would include what? A boquet if flowers? A Dominos pizza? Someone who knows how to do my job?

It would include everything that was dealt with in the operation Pam scenario.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,Old Guy
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 10:04 PM

Send me Everything you've got would include what? A boquet of flowers? A dominoes pizza.

It is a ridiculous thing to say, even for a woman.

Now we see that Peace sired Bobert. Is daddy proud?


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 09:55 PM

Yer right, Bruce...

This guy is incapable of carrying on a debate or discussion or conversation or much more than anything excpet a Fox/Bush pep ralley...

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Peace
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 09:54 PM

All this intelligence and a sexist too. Who'd a thunk it? OG, you just go from strength to strength.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,Old Guy
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 09:50 PM

Send me everything youv'e got would include what? A boquet if flowers? A Dominos pizza? Someone who knows how to do my job?

It is a ridiculous statement to make, even for a woman.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Peace
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 07:40 PM

You are getting your time wasted by Old Guy, Bobert. You jus' pissin' into the wind, son.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 07:28 PM

Well, then why is yer guy sandbagging on providing the notes and documents on his end of the deal???   Yeah, everytime he is asked for notes on his screw-ups he sandbags... Or claims executive priviledge...

Problem is that most folks just don't trust Bush any more so if I were him, I'd be doing a lot less sandbagging rather than more...

Ahhhh, BTW, O=Guy, the reason that I would have been meeeting with all the principles on August 27th or 28th is because by then I, like Bush was, wopuld have been forewarned that a major disacter was about to hit the coast...

It's called "pro-acting" rather than reacting...

Bush did not pro-act... Might of fact he went the wrong direction going to Califirnia to give a speech about his Medicaid reform ideas, which incidently means deeper and deeper cut to those who need the help the most???

Go figure???

Bobert


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: CarolC
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 07:27 PM

BTW, I've read the "plan".


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: CarolC
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 07:22 PM

"Everything you've got" really was an accurate description of what was needed.

The local people knew even before Katrina hit that they didn't have the resources to handle a storm of that magnitude. That's why they asked for assistance. The plan did not include evacuating everyone out of the city. They knew they didn't have the resources for that (Mayor Nagin said precisely that a couple of months before Katrina hit). The plan was to evacuate as many people as they could to shelters using municipal busses. And that's exactly what they did.


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,Old Guy
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 07:05 PM

Their idea of asking for assistance is "send me everything youv'e got"

Real professional like. They only know how to ask for aid. They have no idea of how to be responsible and handle things themselves.

They had a plan. Did they follow it? How come we cannot see the plan anymore?


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Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: CarolC
Date: 30 Dec 05 - 06:32 PM

Also why should he override local governments.

The local governments asked for assistance (they did not ask to be overridden). According to FEMA's job description, FEMA was required to provide the requested assistance, once it was requested. Not only did FEMA not provide the assistance that was needed (and requested), they actually interfered with the efforts of local authorities.


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