BS: KatrinaGate

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 04:28 PM

The Republican Congress would never have approved that, Fernando.

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,Flashback
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 03:40 PM

Addording to CNN it looks like every body knew what was coming. They just hadn't figured out who to blame it on:

New Orleans braces for monster hurricane
Crescent City under evacuation; storm may overwhelm levees

Monday, August 29, 2005; Posted: 12:10 a.m. EDT (04:10 GMT)

NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (CNN) -- New Orleans braced for a catastrophic blow from Hurricane Katrina overnight, as forecasters predicted the Category 5 storm could drive a wall of water over the city's levees.

The huge storm, packing 160 mph winds, is expected to hit the northern Gulf Coast in the next nine hours and make landfall as a Category 4 or 5 hurricane Monday morning.

The National Hurricane Center reports that conditions are already deteriorating along the central and northeastern coast. (Watch video to see the worst case scenario)

New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin declared a state of emergency Sunday and ordered a mandatory evacuation of the city. (Watch video of mayor's announcement)

"This is a threat that we've never faced before," Nagin said. "If we galvanize and gather around each other, I'm sure we will get through this."

He exempted essential federal, state, and local personnel; emergency and utility workers; transit workers; media; hotel workers; and patrons from the evacuation order.

About 1.3 million people live in New Orleans and its suburbs, and many began evacuating before sunrise. (Watch video to see who's staying and who's leaving)

Nagin estimated that nearly 1 million people had fled the city and its surrounding parishes by Sunday night. (Watch time lapse video of the evacuation)

Between 20,000 and 25,000 others who remained in the city lined up to take shelter in the Louisiana Superdome, lining up for what authorities warned would be an unpleasant day and a half at minimum.

City officials told stranded tourists to stay on third-floor levels or higher and away from windows. (See video from New Orleans, a city below sea level)

Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco said that New Orleans could expect a complete loss of electricity and water services as well as intense flooding.

"We know we're going to have property damage," she told CNN's "Larry King Live." "We know we're going to have high wind damage. We're hoping we're not going to lose a lot of lives."

About 70 percent of New Orleans is below sea level, and is protected from the Mississippi River by a series of levees. (Full story)

Forecasters predicted the storm surge could reach 28 feet; the highest levees around New Orleans are 18 feet high.

Hurricane-force winds extend 105 miles from the center of the mammoth storm and tropical storm-force winds extend outward up to 230 miles. It is the most powerful storm to menace the central Gulf Coast in decades.

Isolated tornadoes are also possible Sunday across southern portions of Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and the Florida Panhandle, forecasters said.

Federal Emergency Management Agency teams and other emergency teams were in place to move in as soon as the storm was over, FEMA Undersecretary Michael Brown said.

Katrina is blamed for at least seven deaths in Florida, where it made landfall Thursday as a Category 1 hurricane. As much as 18 inches of rain fell in some areas, flooding streets and homes. (See video of the damage floodwaters left in one family's new house)

At midnight ET, Katrina was centered about 90 miles south of the mouth of the Mississippi River. It was moving to the northwest at about 10 mph.

National Hurricane Center Director Max Mayfield said: "There's certainly a chance it can weaken a bit before it gets to the coast, but unfortunately this is so large and so powerful that it's a little bit like the difference between being run over by an 18-wheeler or a freight train. Neither prospect is good." (Watch Mayfield's assessment of Katrina)
Bush issues disaster declarations

President Bush announced Sunday that he had issued disaster declarations for Louisiana, Mississippi and parts of southern Florida. The declaration for Miami-Dade and Broward counties in Florida will allow residents there to apply for federal disaster aid.

"We'll do everything in our power to help the people and communities affected by this storm," he said.

The president urged anyone in the storm's path "to put their own safety and the safety of their families first by moving to safe ground."

Jesse St. Amant, the emergency management chief for Louisiana's southernmost Plaquemines Parish, said nearly 95 percent of the parish's 27,000-plus residents had fled by Sunday afternoon. Those who remained were being told that they are "gambling with their own lives."

"I think they just don't believe something of this nature can ever happen in their lifespan, and I think they're going to be wrong," he said.

As far east as Mobile, Alabama, 118 miles away from New Orleans, authorities warned of storm surges approaching 20 feet.

"I'm afraid most people look at the map and say, 'It's going to New Orleans, we're all right,'" said Mobile Mayor Mike Deal. "We're in harm's way with the current path of this storm."

Hurricane warnings are posted from Morgan City, Louisiana, eastward to the Alabama-Florida state line, including New Orleans and Lake Pontchartrain. This means winds of at least 74 mph are expected in the warning area within the next 24 hours.

A tropical storm warning and a hurricane watch are in effect from the Alabama-Florida state line eastward to Destin, Florida, and from west of Morgan City to Intracoastal City, Louisiana. A tropical storm warning is also in effect from Intracoastal City, Louisiana, west to Cameron, Louisiana, and from Destin, Florida, eastward to Indian Pass, Florida.

A tropical storm warning means tropical storm conditions, including winds of at least 39 mph, are expected within 24 hours. A hurricane watch means hurricane conditions are possible, usually within 36 hours.

Category 5 is the most intense on the Saffir-Simpson scale. Only three Category 5 hurricanes have made landfall in the United States since records were kept. Those were the Labor Day hurricane of 1935, 1969's Hurricane Camille and Hurricane Andrew, which devastated the Miami area in 1992. Andrew remains the costliest U.S. hurricane on record, with $26.5 billion in losses.

Camille came ashore in Mississippi and killed 256 people

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,Alphonse
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 03:31 PM

Evcauation is the best policy. Why wasn't New orleans evacuated on Saturday and Sunday?

"virtually everyone in Cameron and Calcasieu parishes left the area at least a day before the storm hit. There were reports of very few injuries and no fatalities 12 hours after Rita passed through."

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,Fernando
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 03:01 PM

Well why didn't some bright eyed democrat demand that before Katrina hit NO?

It's all 100% their fault even if they never choked on a pretzel.

F

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: CarolC
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 12:23 PM

That's right, Alphonse.

Alternatively, the DHS could work with local governments to set up plans for making sure that public transportation is available for free for anyone who doesn't have a way to get out.

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,Alphonse
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 12:02 PM

If you are 80 years old, confined to a wheelchair, couldn't drive, didn't have any family, didn't have enough money for public transporation out of town or motels because all of your meager retirement pension was being spent on diabetes medicine and supplies, and you weren't on the social services radar at all because you didn't believe in accepting charity, George Bush should hire a clarivoiant to find you and get you to safety.

If not, he is not protecting Americans like he should

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 07:29 PM

But in reaqlity, Katrina is just the tip of the iceburg... Hey, Katrina was last year's "Exhibit A" that the Bush administartion hasn't done anything to make Americans safer... Quite the opposite as it pointed out that the Bushite tinkerin' with domestic safety nets thru underfunding and general lousy management has left Americans more vulnerable to all kinds of disasters...

So for yoy folks living above sea level I wouldn't breath too easily... Lots of stuff happens above sea level that can leave a region devistated and guess what??? Bush and his little circle of friends haven't fixed anyything since Katrina... OPh sure, there are more supplies... Who tghe heck cares if you can't get them to the folks who need them... There were plenty of supplies when Katrine hit but after the two day "duhhhhhhhh, Ralpf" on the Bushite's part in not implimenting their own National Response Plan, it was too late to get those supplies to where they needed to be...

Yet some pea-brained folks think that the N.O. governemnt should have figgured out everything on it's own... Hey, that what the Nastional Response Plan was all about but these same pea-brained folks keep repeatin' their bumper-sticker mantra...

Like I said, the USD i8s no better today to deal with a catastrphy than it was when Katrina hit...

This is why I blame George Bush... If I were president I would have amde the effort to be sure that I wasn't going to repeat the same policy... This man is incapable of making changes... This is why he has failed at everything he has ever attempted to do...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: CarolC
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 02:10 PM

It's ok, Amos. I don't live below sea level (or have any of those other problems)... yet.

But thanks.

;-)

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Amos
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 02:01 PM

Well, I hope you don't, Carol.

A

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,Missy
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 12:15 PM

Sounds logical.

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: CarolC
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 12:13 PM

I guess I'd drown.

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,Missy
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 12:09 PM

What would you do?

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: CarolC
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 11:29 AM

And what would you do, Missy, if you were 80 years old, confined to a wheelchair, couldn't drive, didn't have any family, didn't have enough money for public transporation out of town or motels because all of your meager retirement pension was being spent on diabetes medicine and supplies, and you weren't on the social services radar at all because you didn't believe in accepting charity?

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,Missy
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 11:03 AM

If Cat 3 will take N.O. out tomorrow I think they should be ready to evacuate. I know I would if I lived below sea level. I would not even depend on the government to get me out, just maybe keep the way clear.

I think this is the plan most people in flood and hurricane prone areas have.

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,Fenando
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 10:30 AM

Beat that drum so loud it drowns out everything else. Keep on blaring your bushite accusation but don't answer any questions like.

"Who would have drowned or suffered from the flood if NO had been evacuated?"

And what boss did ever think to tell his employers that the reason it got all f--ked up was ,,,,,,duh,,,, because my staff really screwed up?

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Barry Finn
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 12:26 AM

What boss would ever think to tell his employers that the reason it got all f--ked up was ,,,,,,duh,,,, because my staff really screwed up.
"The buck stops when it reaches the top"(Barry).
Barry

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 09:33 PM

Good points, CarolC...

But keep in mind that there's only but so much money available for various projects an' the Bush administration ***cut*** funding for the levees over the last several years...

Yes, there is much work to be done that wouldn't have to be done if the Bush administration hadn't been so Hell-bent on shiftin' so many of the nations resources to an ill-thought-out invasion of Iraq at the expense of out own country...

Oh sure, the Bushites ***said*** they had stuff covered but say6ing stuff is cheap... Deeds speak louder than words... Bottom line, the Bushites knew they were leaving some front's uncovered with their war of choice and were hoping that nuthin' would come along that would blow their cover.... Then Katrina and the house of cards fell apart...

Some folks would argue that it was the locals who were at fault but those who would make that arguement apparently know nuthin' about Bush's own National Response Plan that put fed "boots-on-the-ground" should a catastophy occur that swamped local governements or made them ineffective... This was the Bush plan... Not Congresses... Problem is that not only was there no funding to carry it out but it would require the president or Secretary of Homeland Security to be on the ball and initiate the plan...

Well, inspite of the protests of the few blinded Bushites, those two things have become painfully obvious to everyone else... The Bush adminsitration failed miserably in funding the agencies that were to meet the challenges of a catastrohy and then when the levees were topped went into some kind of denial while knowing they hadn't adequtely prepared to "protect the American people" afterall...

No, as much as some would like to shift blame to the locals, it was a monumental failing of the Bush administration... Those who have followed this thread and know the things I have put forth know there can be no otrher conclusuion...Only folks who have come onboard lately thinking they really don't have to know what has allready been put forward are now showing their juvenilist ignorance about the issue...

Meanwhile, yeah, a Cat 3 will take N.O. out tomorrow....

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 08:53 PM

It's not over and done with until the problems that caused FEMA and the Corps of Engineers to fall down on the job have been corrected. And they haven't been corrected yet. So the situation is still ongoing.

Remember, those people work for the taxpayers. And we pay them a lot of money to do their jobs properly. Local officials can be voted out of office, but we can't vote the FEMA officials or the Corps of Engineers out of office. So we have to find other ways to hold them accountable or get them replaced.

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,Fernando
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 08:45 PM

Bobert are you realy Bill O'reilly in disguise?

You don't answer anything and any responses to your meiloristic pettifoggery just bounce off like bullets bouncing off of Superman.

Is it your impaired vision or extreme cranial density that causes your one sided myopia?

You can call me a coward all day long but I think you must be afraid of looking at the whole event.

Yes I am having a fine life here in the USA just like you only I am enjoying it more than you because I see no need to bitch and whine about shit that is over and done with.

Are you going to try to prevent that convicted sniper from being executed?

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 08:18 PM

Ahhhhh, F.... Do you even know anuything abouth the National Response Plan??? I don't think so and if you think that is snipin' then you are one ignorant, and well as cowardly, person...

I don't have to snipe... I'm a real person with transparency... Real people don't snipe... Only cowards and low life's snipe...

You make these wild-ass accusations about me from the safety of anonymity.... Like I said, real people don't snipe... Only cowards...

You have added nuthing to this thread... You seem to have no basic understanding of the positions... I doubt if you have even read this thread... You are no better than a creep in the trunk of a car shootin' people...

Have a nice life... You aren't worthy of any more of my time because you are incapable, after over 400 posts here to mount any rebuttal to the charges that put forth other than bumper sticker level respones...

Debating ignorant people is a waste of time...

Like I said, have a nice little (very little) cowardly life...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,Fernando
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 07:17 PM

Amos got it right for once: "Bush tried to do the right thing but was foiled by (a) incompetent underlings and (b) local corruption on the part of the State government and the mayor of NO."

Who would have drowned or suffered from the flod if NO had been evacuated?

Mohammad Bobsterino sits bravely on top of his trunk to do his sniping so that makes it OK.

He is so one sided he still can't admit to the whole pixture and accuses anyone who does of trying to protect Bush.

C'mon talk and about the whole scenario not just the ones that you like to gloat about.

F

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 06:32 PM

Perhaps, F-ster, you would like to elaborate on jsut what you7 think a good president is responsible for??? It was his team that bungled the National Response Plan... It was his team that didn't activate what little resources were left in FEMA after he and his team gutted FEMA... It was his team that reduced the funding for maintenance on the levees prio0r to Katrina... It was Bush himself that rather than take Katrina seriously even after the levees wer breached who elected to go on a campaign trip to California...

If outright incompetence is what yer looking for, F, then I'm beginning to understand what the "F" is for...

As for yer accusations that I haven't done my share of lifting in the war of p[overty, I'm still waiting for you to come clean on how much lifting you have done??? But you won't do that becuase it will expoase you as a blowhard fake...

So until then, fire away from the safety of yer little Caprice trunk... Real friggin' brave, fella...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 06:29 PM

I think Fernando is suggesting that Bobert is the cause of world hunger. At least that's what it looks like from here.

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Amos
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 12:01 PM

What exactly is the issue you think Bobert is avoiding, Fernando? What proposition are you putting forward, stated in plain English?

"Bush's management of events related to Katrina and the devastation of New Orleans was competent and timely."

"Bush tried to do the right thing but was foiled by (a) incompetent underlings and (b) local corruption on the part of the State government and the mayor of NO."

What are you saying, aside from the ad hominem mischaracterizations, if anything?

A

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,Fernando
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 10:32 AM

What ever you eat, you are eatin' good in the neighborhood while others are starving to death.

As to why you have not had any rebuttals, how do you rebut a brain fart?

I don't think anybody here denies that Bush made mistakes. Nobody is perfect. The question is who else made mistakes and what lead to these mistakes. Bush may be guilty of some incomptency but you choose to focus entirely on that part and magnify it so it fills your whole field of (fuzzy) vision blotting out any other contributing factors. You refuse to take in the whole picture.

This may sound like a personal attack but it is "food" for thought. I saw on the Discovery Channel that the human species did not start gaining much intelligence until they became omnnivores. They said it was the Iron in meat that created new and improved brain cells.

F

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 09:37 AM

bobert, can you say "avoidance of the issue".

What difference does it make if I know your Social Security number or just call you Bozo. You have been stopped in your tracks and your ability to keep up the false rehtoric has been stymied.

However, I find it somewhat surprising that you would simply stop as opposed to continuing with your inane Bullshit.

Perhaps it is time for you to speak on something you are aware of factually. Take your time.

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Jun 06 - 04:59 PM

LOL...

First of all, I don't eat no Whopper's... Might of fact I don't eat no 4 legged critters at all... Mase a deal wid 'um in the 60's... They don't chew on me and I won't chew on them... It's held up now since then...

Second of all, F-ster, if you'd like to come out from behind yer mask, sign in as a real person who is traceable and transparent then I'll go head to head wid you on who has done more work to help folks in poverty... And I can provide references... But I'm not going to match resume's with someone who is too cowardly to come out and put their own experiences as a tranparent memebr against mine... Heck, you could make up anything... Like I said, come on out and we can rumble...

Lets see? What else??? Well, given I have yet to see a rebuttal, inspite of using my spare pair of glasses which see as well as the scratched ones, I reckon not much...

Oh yeah, I don't bash Bush... But I sho nuff bash his policies... Heck, I wouldn't mind sittin' down wid him over a cold beer... Of course, he would order pretzels...

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Jun 06 - 08:22 AM

bobert, you wouldn't/couldn't accept or recognize a rebuttal if your life depended on it.

I am convinced you do the "Devil's advocate" bit. Benefit of the doubt for you.

Or, you have to be Twins because one person can't be that friggin' naive.

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,Fernando
Date: 02 Jun 06 - 08:19 AM

PS:

Will you feel guilty the next time you chow down on a Whopper knowing that about one person dies from lack of food for every chew?

The fact that you cleaned your glases with an abrasive highlights your piss poor judgement.

F

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,Fernando
Date: 02 Jun 06 - 08:10 AM

Nobody is trying to defend Bush. You automatically assert that anything against what you claim is the "real" problem is a Bush defense.

It makes the whole thread appear to be a Bush attack and a defense of the inept, corrupt local government in Louisiana in an effort to put all the blame on one person.

That is why you will not any rebuttal of your charges mr. prosecutor, judge and jury. Now if bush had been a Latino gang leader sentenced to die you would be defending him.

Your logic is as sloppy as your typing. You are clearly an old burned out anti-establishment Hippy, stuck in the past. Another crybaby maggot that enjoys the good life in America while crying and sucking snot about the current state of affairs rather than going forward from here.

If you want some thing to bitch about, som injustice to trumpet, consider this: About 24,000 people die every day from hunger or hunger-related causes. Three-fourths of the deaths are children under the age of 5


F.

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 02 Jun 06 - 07:40 AM

I'll buy you a ticket, F, fir yer one way flight to Havana...

Yer sarcasim oughta play well down there...

402 postas and still not one well thoyught out rebuttal to the original charges I made in this thread... I think that is a record for the Bushites...

But they sho nuff get credit for:

1. Trying to highjack this thread

2. Name calling

3. Sarcasim

4. Ignmorance

5. All of the above...

And the beat goes on....

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,Fernando
Date: 02 Jun 06 - 12:15 AM

Here's How Bush created Katrina Gate:

Him and his evil oil company friends imported cheap oil from countrys that hate us and made so much cheap gas from it. This made them think like they got the US by the 'nads, they get all rowdy and a bunch of them crash the twin towers in NYC amongst other things.

Meanwhile his Evil Detroit buds start in to making big gas hog SUV's and such that the avereage level headed conservation minded US consumer couldn't resis. That caused a lot of polution and an increased demand for the cheap gas.

At the sane time his other evil cattle rancher comrades down in SA keep clearing the rainforest to make way for a few cows per acre. This causes more greenhouse gas and global warming. He adds to this global warimg by refusing to sign Kyoto simply because up and comming worse poluters than the US are exempt. The resultant Global warming and polution causes increasingly worse hurricane seasons.

One day a real bad one pops up on the radar headed for NO. Bush decides will not help out New Orleans because they ain't paying enough taxes and if a bunch 'em drown it will reduce the burden on the government which he has already run into the ground with his illegal wars and so forth.

He decides to hold back on everything, blame it on the locals down there and the democrats who demanded the creation DHS and then demanded that FEMA be part of DHS.

So now we have a few average, honest, intellignt citizens who are slowly exposing his scheme and educating the ignorant majority to his evil ways.

Gee. ain't life horrible here in the US? I think I will tie some old leaky innertubes together and see if I can make it to Cuba where the government functions correctly.

F

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jun 06 - 11:23 PM

Yeah Slick Willy will eat just about anything including a Bush.

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jun 06 - 11:03 PM

My only question is how GWB started the hurricane and how he did the guidance so it hit where it did.

Come off it. Going by what I read from the "Bush camp" defending the president at the time, it would appear that even I as a nobody living in the UK had more clue about the course of the hurricane and the degree of destruction than the president of the US.

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Jun 06 - 10:48 PM

No, Guest, this ain't got one danged thing do do with a hurricane but Bush's lies... He said he had it covered... He went around the country sayin' that his job was to protect the American people and, when the chips were down, he wasn't...

He lied!!!

Hey, he's the CEO and he should have had the right people and the right ideas in place...

GHe didn't!!!

Yeah, he boasted of having things covered but...

...he didn't!!!

No, this could have been some terrorist plot that had disabled an American city... It didn't have to be a hurricane... Bush said he was ready but...

...he wasn't!!!

That's the way it was, GUEST... You can go on defending the Bush administration's response to Katrina until the cows come home but guess what???

Give???

Yer guy ain't presidential material.... Not that I liked Slick Willie much more but Slick Willie would have eaten up 9/11 and had the feds ready for a Katrina...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jun 06 - 10:16 PM

Yep, it is all the fault of GWB - all of it!!!!!!!!

Just ask 'Q' and Bobert. My only question is how GWB started the hurricane and how he did the guidance so it hit where it did.

Other than that, my mind is completely secure in the fact.............

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,Q as guest
Date: 01 Jun 06 - 09:52 PM

Watched on Anderson Cooper the Corpse of Engineers building away on their levees and gates to protect NO. Only to level 3. And they won't make it before the start of the hurricane season.
What fumble feathers and others can't get in their skulls is that the Navigation Canal and supporting levees which couldn't stop the surge from Lake Ponchartrain are the responsibility of the Corps of Engineers and ultimately the Federal government since they are part of the internationl waterways system. This is all spelled out in the bumff (federal regulations) previously discussed in this and other NO threads.

What will be the next failure of the most incompetent federal administration that the U. S. A. has ever had?

(even with his mucked-up eyeglasses, Bobert can still see more clearly than some posting here. Didja get a new pair yet? I am still getting used to the new lens installation).

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: CarolC
Date: 01 Jun 06 - 09:48 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060602/ts_nm/weather_hurricanes_flood_dc_1


Incomplete system blamed for Katrina crisis

NEW ORLEANS (Reuters) - An incomplete system of defenses built in pieces over 40 years was responsible for the flooding that devastated New Orleans during Hurricane Katrina last year, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers said on Thursday.

A few critical links failed in the system of earthen levees and concrete floodwalls designed to protect the city, the report said.

The region's flood protection system, built by the Corps over the past 40 years, was compromised by "incompleteness in the system" and inconsistent standards of construction and protection levels.

The eight-volume, 6,100-page report by the Interagency Performance Evaluation Task Force is one of the most extensive to date in the effort to find out what allowed storm damage to spiral out of control.

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 01 Jun 06 - 08:05 PM

Well, well, well...

Good to hear from ya, my friend... Has been awhile...

You see what I'm having to put up with these days, don't cha... Like fumblefingers and his buds... They will make every argument they can to protect their man... They will never consider that maybe the guy is a screw-up...

So they say stuff like, "Bu8sh can't be there to kiss every booboo, can he???

Well, iof course he can't... That isn't the issue... The issue is about protecting massive population centers... Ya' don't do that be stripping out the funding for FEMA... Ya' don't do that by appointing yer old college drinking buddies to jobs that require skills other than knowing how to tap a keg... You don't do that by not living up to yer obligations to maintain the levee system...

N.O. was a disaster waiting to happen and the Bush administartion sat by, evn after it had happened, in denial...

That's the real story here... It's a story of gross incompetence...

Like what about the National Response Plan that the Bush folks had worked out??? Where was it displayed??? Hey, fumbler, I'm asking you a reasonable question... What about Bush's National Response Plan???

Oh, you didn't get the memo??? Hadn't heard of it???? Hmmmmmmm??? Hey, don'ty feel too bad... Seesm that the folks who were supposed to impliment it hadn't either...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,Guest from Texas
Date: 31 May 06 - 11:52 PM

The above is from the Texas Guest. Forgot to sign.

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST
Date: 31 May 06 - 11:49 PM

Hey Bobert. Been away a while and checked in and figured your name might be at the start of the "KatrinaGate" thread. And since tomorrow begins the '06 hurricane season, I'll throw in a couple of centavos.

I think I made the point somewhere on this forum that New Orleans was turned over to the federal govt. in Feb of 2003.

New Orleans defaulted on lots of federal loans and the feds took over. It was by design. Ten square mails of DC isn't much of a lab for terrorism, so they branched out. The Dept of Homeland Security took over the running of New Orleans in Feb '03 and consolidated 45 city offices into 8. Answerable directly to and only to DHS. Then they waited.

And when the storm hit they blew the levees. Instant catastrophe to see how plans work when they're moved from the drawing board to the field. And Katrina provided lots of instructive data. Ring a city with troops and turn back relief convoys. Unconstitutionally collect guns. Land foreign troops on American soil. Claim it's all a big "turf war" and "incompetence" and "lack-of-funding" problem and have the govt-controlled media sell that to Americans dumb enough to think a plane with a tank full of kerosene could bring down a 110 story steel tower.

Anyway, the criminally complicit media reported Katrina as a category 5 hurricane for months, but now we know it was a cat 3. That news dribbled out slowly and was phrased in a way intended to make us think they were analyzing records and were downgrading it in hindsight. What BS. They knew AT THE TIME IT WAS IN PROGRESS that it was a 3, but they also knew they'd have to sell the death and destruction in a way that would make sense to the toob-heads, so a category 5 it was.

So NOAA and the news media is in league with our terrorist govt. Just another branch of the terrorist govt. It'll be interesting to see what they have in store for us this year.

Have all those points been made? Too lazy to look at the whole thread. Hope you're well.

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST,fumblefingers
Date: 31 May 06 - 11:20 PM

It works from the bottom up despite what you say. The individual,City/County or Parish/State/Federal.That's the chain of responsibility.

We had a tornado go through here not long ago that destroyed a number of homes and killed several people. Neither the Governor nor the President came around. FEMA didn't show up at all. Nobody expected them to. They understood, as do most people, that looking after every city and town in the country is not the baliwick of the President of the United States. That's why all these levels of government exist in the first place.

Why not just own up to being a Bush basher who is looking for any and everything to blame the president for.

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 31 May 06 - 10:41 PM

Give yerself a big pat on the back, GUEST...

Nevermind, you just did that...

No, I haven't been to N.O. since Katrina... Does that make the Bush administration any less the utter failure that it has been???

This thread ain't 'bout me, GUEST... It's about a president who after 9/11 went out and said over and over abnd over that his job was to "protect the American people"... Heck, he probably said those exact words a thousand times and then came Katrina...

Well, Katrine could have been a terrorist attack anywhere in the U.S. It didn't have to be a hurrican.. What showed is that Bush had been lieing about making the right kind of decisions and spending priorities that, ahhhh, would have actually had to occur to protect the American people...

In other words, Bush lied...

He was not prepared to protect the American people...

Thi8s thread is all about that, GUEST... It isn't about junk cars or towing fees... It isn't about you going to N.O or me not going to N.O...

It's about a man who choze to lie to the American people hoping that nuthin' weould happen to expose the lies...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: SINSULL
Date: 31 May 06 - 10:30 PM

Today, I spoke with a young woman who spent her vacation with the Animal Rescue people in New Orleans. The situation is a mess. There are literally thousands of cats and dogs still losse in the streets BECAUSE they were not neutered prior to the disaster and so continue to multiply.
4000 feeding stations have been established but they do not have enough volunteers to keep them filled.
Spay or neuter your pets, people. And if you are thinking of adopting a pet, look into Katrina rescues.
The 2006-07 Hurricane Season starts this week.

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST
Date: 31 May 06 - 10:03 PM

A couple facts - I have been in New Orleans, early on and a return trip with the Red Cross.

A few weeks after the the water dropped, a recycling company offered the City a $50 per car fee for every destroyed vehicle. That means that they would pay the city of NO $50 for every car they would crush or shred and remove from the city.

NOW, the illustrious Mayor is receiving bids where THE CITY will pay $500 to $1000 per car for the same process. Our tax dollars at work, eh?
And don't give me any BS about FEMA approving it - the City has received the funds and it is theirs to do with as they please. The Mayor has a better chance of kickbacks with this plan.

Oh yes - the second fact - bobert has not a clue as to what he has been saying since the start of this thread. A simple fact of an individual (bobert) trying to be more than one could possibly be with the meager resources available.

Keep in mind, many of us have been there. Were you, bobert?

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 31 May 06 - 08:25 PM

Oh, an' for tbhe record, maybe you'd like to be the first to offer any respectable rebuttal to the charges I have made against the Bush administration in this thread... God knows, no one else has come close other than doing what you just did... Try to change the subject... Or call me names... Been lotta that but nuthin' that would get so much as a "Gentleman's C" in Debating 101...

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Bobert
Date: 31 May 06 - 08:22 PM

Yeah, seems GUEST hasn't been 'round here to long... I ain't got no love fir Dems either... If they are crooks then boot 'um... Crooks is crooks...

Why, GUEST, would you go thru the trouble to make the big letters when the cru7x of yer post was "Look at me. I just arrived here and I figure I'll just attack Bobert from my position of ignorance!!!"

Well, pal, it worked... You sho nuff brought some serious attention to the fact that you are totally ignorant when it comes to professing that you know much about about me or my political leanings...

Nice job....

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: CarolC
Date: 23 May 06 - 04:21 PM

No, we don't want to protect any crooks. What we want to do is get ALL of the crooks out of office. Both the Republican crooks, AND the Democrat crooks. I suspect Bobert is in agreement with me on this one.

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: Amos
Date: 23 May 06 - 03:05 PM

Excuse me. But I fail to see where Bobert said he wanted to defend Rep. Jefferson or Vernon Jackson. Your assertion seems to be hollow chest-beating.

Note, too, that the people of New Orleans have just re-elected Mister Nagin as Mayor. Obviously he must have done something right. Or was it a Diebold operation in your book? I notice he didn't have to ask for a recount.

A

Subject: RE: BS: KatrinaGate...
From: GUEST
Date: 23 May 06 - 02:12 PM

One o' them New Oleans crooks Bobert wants to pertect:

bribe-talker is Democrat Rep. William Jefferson of New Orleans, LA

A businessman who paid bribes to a member of the US House of Representatives and chairman of the Congressional Black Caucus, has pleaded guilty to a two-count indictment charging him with conspiracy to commit bribery and the payment of bribes to a public official, according to the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

Vernon L. Jackson, 53, of Louisville, Kentucky, entered his plea in US District Court in Alexandria, VA. Jackson faces up to 20 years in prison and a fine of up to $500,000, under the terms of his plea agreement with prosecutors. Also, as part of his plea, Jackson has agreed to cooperate with law enforcement officials in an ongoing probe of public corruption related to telecommunications deals in Africa and elsewhere.

While court papers refer to the suspect congressman as "Representative A," the identity of the alleged bribe-talker is Democrat Rep. William Jefferson of New Orleans, LA, according to a source close to the investigation. Jefferson is serving his eighth term in the House.

According to the criminal information, from 1998 through this year, Jackson had been the Chairman and CEO of iGate, Inc., a Kentucky firm developing technology which is designed to transmit data, audio, and video communications over copper wire. In his plea, Jackson admits that in 2000, he was introduced to Rep. Jefferson, who was active in promoting US trade and business in Africa with other members of the Black Caucus.

Rep. Jefferson allegedly provided official assistance to Jackson in persuading the US Army to test iGate's broadband two-way technology and other iGate products. Jefferson's official assistance led to the placement of iGate on the US General Services Administration schedule, making iGate products eligible for use in various federal contracts. Ultimately, iGate's products were used by the US Army at Fort Stewart, Georgia.

Jackson further admits that in early 2001, Rep. Jefferson told him that he would not continue to provide official assistance to Jackson's company, iGate, unless Jackson agreed to pay a nominee company ostensibly maintained in the names of Rep. Jefferson's spouse and children. Jackson agreed and signed a consulting services agreement committing iGate to pay the nominee company various things of value, thereby concealing Jackson's payments in exchange for Jefferson's performance of official acts in aiding iGate's business in Africa and elsewhere.

According to the FBI, Jackson made monthly payments of $7,500 to Jefferson, as well as a percentage of Jackson's gross sales. Rep. Jefferson also received a percentage of capital investments raised for iGate, and options for iGate stock.

In his plea, Jackson admitted to allowing over $400,000 to be paid to the nominee company and that the consulting services agreement was designed to conceal the illegal nature of the payments demanded by Rep. Jefferson.

In return for the agreement by Jackson to pay "things of value," Rep. Jefferson agreed to perform numerous official acts in furtherance of iGate's business, including efforts to influence high-ranking officials in Nigeria, Ghana, Cameroon and elsewhere through official correspondence and in-person meetings; Jefferson's travel to those countries to setup these meetings; and meetings with personnel of the Export-Import Bank of the United States, the official export credit agency of the United States, in order to help with potential financing for iGate business deals in those countries.

"According to his plea, Vernon Jackson got favorable treatment from a Congressman because he paid for it," said Alice S. Fisher of the Criminal Division of the US Department of Justice.

"Public corruption is not a victimless crime -- all of us lose when people believe public officials can be brought. Those who conspire with elected officials to subvert the integrity of our government will be prosecuted."

While Vernon Jackson is scheduled for sentencing in this bribery scheme, so far Rep. William Jefferson has not been indicted, nor is there a great deal of attention being paid to the case by members of the House or the mainstream news media.

Rep. Jefferson is the subject of yet another ongoing criminal investigation. In August 2005, federal agents searched his home in New Orleans and his home and car in Washington, DC, as well as the home and office of his campaign accountant in New Orleans.

As part of the investigation, the US home of the Vice President of Nigeria also was searched. During the raid on Rep. Jefferson's home, FBI agents say that they found a large amount of cash in Jefferson's freezer.

In addition, in the midst of the Katrina disaster in New Orleans, allegations arose that Rep. Jefferson used emergency response personnel and transportation, including members of the National Guard, to retrieve "packages" from his home. These were people attempting to rescue and protect victims of Katrina.