Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: GUEST,Betsy
Date: 24 Nov 05 - 06:26 AM

I wouldn't go into a Sam Smiths pub on principle.
Sanm Smiths is shite and unpleasant beer - it always has been and always will be, at least in the N.East of England where I live.
As for his ban on music, I would say to him " A plague of bastards on your houses Sir ! ".
Give me a pint of John Smiths (the other side of the family) - any day.
Cheers, Betsy

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: GUEST,Mingulay at work
Date: 24 Nov 05 - 06:05 AM

ZM            I don't think Liverpool has an effect on Humphrey really, they have a business relationship so both are inclined to look at making money and not spending it. I just wonder if the Melbournes pubs have gone the same way, or does Eddie still do anything to get the punters in. Even when we were there he was doing his best to downgrade the ambience with loud music etc.

P

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Nov 05 - 03:23 PM

Just a note to say, for the last few years both the musicians Christmas bash, and my works sup up and fall down, have always been in Blaksams pub in Beverley (Any africanas will hit on the ref Blaksam ) However this year both these will be held in Hodgsons thanks to a good landlord, that has gone out of his way to make us welcome,, (and did we not burn Humpty on the bonfire at the Whitby festival this year?) Cheers 2 all Oombanjo.

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: MC Fat
Date: 22 Nov 05 - 07:25 PM

Doh

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: Zany Mouse
Date: 22 Nov 05 - 04:12 PM

Mingulay: Can you remember how much influence Liverpool has on Humph?

R

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: John Routledge
Date: 22 Nov 05 - 01:17 PM

What is fair or not fair in non-Yorkshire parts of the country will essentially be determined by the people of the area in question

They are quite at liberty if they wish to follow the "lead" set by some Yorkshire people to right the wrong caused by the decision of a Yorkshireman.

Only local people can do an accurate risk assessment of the likelihood of prosecution.

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 22 Nov 05 - 11:32 AM

It will require action of a much higher profile than moaning on the Mudcat to effect any change in this company's short sighted policies.
Giok.

[Nice troll by the way Mike Hassett]

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: GUEST,Mingulay at work
Date: 22 Nov 05 - 11:16 AM

Sam Smith's premises of course used to have music. Zany Mouse refers above to the Brewery Museum in Stamford where we occasionally had music and, of course,the Scotgate Inn just round the corner which was at one time the venue for the Stamford Folk Club. At the time Humphrey had no interest in music for it cost him nothing and brought in the punters. However, now that money is involved he is very interested, in a 'not spending any' sort of way. Unfortunately he is a professional Yorkshireman of the music hall joke variety. The last time I saw him he was wearing a suit which must have belonged to his grandfather, a much smaller man! Maybe one day he will see sense, but I very much doubt it. As the old joke goes "why the long face - I found a shilling, so why the long face then - I lost a tanner"

Any chance of hell freezing over?

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: MC Fat
Date: 22 Nov 05 - 06:22 AM

..oh and that's why I named the thread after Hump and didn't put the pub or carols in the thread title

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: MC Fat
Date: 22 Nov 05 - 06:19 AM

I'm sorry for babbling prematurely (is this a case of premature e-jok-u-lation ?) and do respect the landlord's request for 'no publicity' however still consider the actions of Smith's as hypocritical. I for one want to see music back in Smith's pubs especially at places like the Plough (although it was never a favourite session of mine)so whilst this may not be the time and place there is still room for debate and lobbying. Now I'll stop babbling.

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 22 Nov 05 - 06:06 AM

Jimbo please see Runswick Bay thread

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: The Shambles
Date: 22 Nov 05 - 06:04 AM

Whatever the fate of this thread - the genie has emerged and will not be stuffed-back in the bottle.

The licensee's wishes should be respected but the law is not subject to those wishes? The outcome will be that the event takes place illegally - legally or does not take place at all. These are the choices open to the licensee. The best bet to ensure that it happens would be for them to apply for the TEN.

But to try to stick our heads in the sand and pretend that all parties are not now fully aware of all the circumstances is not really possible.

For if the intention of all parties is to try and ensure that this sort of activity can illegally take place in Yorkshire - would it not be fair to try and ensure that similar activities can illegally take place elsewhere?

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: Folkiedave
Date: 22 Nov 05 - 05:23 AM

" Rather than no publicity (if that were possible) I suggest the answer is exactly the opposite."

Much as I admire Shambles indefatigability in this matter - I feel we must ALWAYS respect a landlord's wishes.

Now can we close this thread please?

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 22 Nov 05 - 03:51 AM

Eh up James, the trolls are on the loose again

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Nov 05 - 03:48 AM

"Jim, by blabbing prematurely, has done his best to screw things up for them."

Thats very unusual for him to open his big mouth and put his big foot in it!!!

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: The Shambles
Date: 22 Nov 05 - 02:25 AM

With the greatest respect if the new law applies here - why should Yorkshire be exempt from it?

If this event can happen legally and openly - it presents hope for similar activities in the rest of the country. If it can't - then then it will serve as an example of how counter-productive our legislation is and demonstrate that changes urgently need to be made either in the words of the law or its local enforcement. The head-in-the - sand approach will not work - even in Yorkshire.

I beleive that such event as these and sessions etc can legally take place under this new legislation and feel that it is this argument that should be made. The attempt to pretend the event is not something it is (ie open to the public) is not really helpful to anyone in the short or th long term.

It should perhaps be mentioned that there are two legal issues here. Sam Smith's refusal to pay for the PRS/PPL licence (hence the need for all the material played to be traditional) and the requirement for a licence to provide Regulated Entertainment.

The latter can perhaps be gotten around by the material played but I am amazed that no steps have been taken to ensure that these events are legal under the new legislation - as the dangers presented to this sort of event have be flagged-up for some time.

Rather than no publicity (if that were possible) I suggest the answer is exactly the opposite.

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 21 Nov 05 - 08:02 PM

They will avoid any such action if they can, but may (as you say) be obliged to act if it is brought to their attention. That is why Oughtibridge has requested discretion, and why anything that may or may not be happening there is omitted from the public listings compiled by Pat Malham and published online by me (see relevant thread). Whatever takes place, if it takes place, will be essentially a private thing. There is no need for the tourists to know.

Jim, by blabbing prematurely, has done his best to screw things up for them. The road to Hell, as we all know, is paved with "good intentions".

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: The Shambles
Date: 21 Nov 05 - 06:37 PM

If the event is to be legal after the 24th November (and I am assuming that the same laws will apply in Yorshire as everywhere else) perhaps the licensee would need to be reminded that they will have to apply and pay for a Temporary Event Notice. This from the local Licensing Authority - and which will require a minimum of 10 working days?

Otherwise there is a distinct danger that the local council will have to take enforcement action to try and prevent it.

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Nov 05 - 09:09 AM

Any sign of having music in Sam's pubs for New Year's eve??

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: Carol
Date: 21 Nov 05 - 09:07 AM

Yes, agreed Mr Straw Legend but I also wrote to himm politley and also never even had any acknowledgement of the letter - I wonder how many more of us did???

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: Sttaw Legend
Date: 21 Nov 05 - 07:48 AM

Its time to move on he certainly has, he's made it blatantly obvious that he does not care about any opinions unless they are his own and will not be changing.

There are other people out there who are prepared to have live music in there venues - good luck to them.

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: MC Fat
Date: 21 Nov 05 - 07:34 AM

What I can't understand is why Humph decided on a total ban. Surely if he had worked it out he (and his accountants) would have worked it out that a partial ban would have been 'cost effective'. Why didn't he go full hog and licence places like the Plough-Whitby, Nellies-Beverley and others and just not licence places that didn't have music. Would have made more business sense. I know people even including the 'diplomatic' services of Malcolm Storey have tried to change Humps's mind but he seems to be blind and deaf to critics (so he wouldn't hear the name calling)

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: GUEST,raggytash
Date: 21 Nov 05 - 06:31 AM

Hi Rhiannon

When I wrote to Humphrey Smith I made a point of being very polite, not in any way antagonistic, I did not even have the courtesy of a reply. I think come year end however his auditors and accounts may be more persuasive than we are

Nick

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: Zany Mouse
Date: 21 Nov 05 - 06:20 AM

Having been involved with Humphrey with regard to the Brewery Museum in Stamford some years ago, I would just like to say that this man is VERY stubborn and name calling and plain nastiness will only make him dig his heels in further. The ONLY solution would be negotiation. Any good Mudcat negotiators out there?

Mingulay: Have you any input here?

Rhiannon

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: The Shambles
Date: 21 Nov 05 - 05:27 AM

Whatever Mr Smiths now says - if the pub has not obtained Premises Licence entertainment permission - how after 24 November can the carols take legally place without?

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: GUEST, topsie
Date: 21 Nov 05 - 05:12 AM

An interesting contrast with what happened to 'The Dove' at Sidmouth a few years back.

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: GUEST,raggytash
Date: 21 Nov 05 - 04:06 AM

Mike
Are you aware of the background to this thread, that such occasion's like the Plough in Whitby during folk week have been stopped? There is much depth to it, if you haven't it may be enlightening to read them

Cheers

Raggy

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: Carol
Date: 21 Nov 05 - 03:44 AM

Well all I can say is that I hope your custom 'makes up' for the loss of the custom from all the folk clubs etc. that were held in Sam smiths pubs.
I'm sure thaere is more than one room in most pubs so you could go into the other room presumably.

As a folk singer I wouldn't go into a Sam Smith's pub (for any reason), at any time until they alter their edict and would find somewhere else to sing Christmas Carols etc. even if it was tradition to sing them in a specific pub.

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: GUEST,Mike Hassett.
Date: 20 Nov 05 - 08:32 PM

I am a big fan of Sam Smith pubs, and the excellent beer, pleasant
ambience, etc.
I like to go out with family and friends maybe a couple of times a
week and we all avoid places with music, both live or juke box.
Sam Smith's pubs are pleasant places where you can have a good drink
and a chat.
If people want to sing, play music, or whatever, there are plenty of
other establishments willing to cater for them.

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: MC Fat
Date: 20 Nov 05 - 07:12 PM

if the landlord has ticked the box 'no publicity' then we have to respect him and his resolve in keeping the tradition going fair play and three cheers to him still doesn't stop Humphrey being a tw*t

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: GUEST,old git
Date: 20 Nov 05 - 07:09 PM

I agree with you Jim
but why does he (or at least his company) have to make such a bloody good bitter?

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: Peace
Date: 20 Nov 05 - 05:39 PM

Here's a pic, but it shows only one face.

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: Folkiedave
Date: 20 Nov 05 - 04:16 PM

But I do believe that the landlord has asked for NO PUBLICITY.

Dave

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: Carol
Date: 20 Nov 05 - 12:21 PM

Correct

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: MC Fat
Date: 20 Nov 05 - 12:12 PM

Think people have done that, people have written to him but it has fallen on deaf ears. So a bit of name calling is in order.

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: Leadfingers
Date: 20 Nov 05 - 10:53 AM

Perhaps if Folk just went into Sam Smiths Pubs , asked if there was any music , and on being told "No" said that they wouldnt drink there then and walked out , it would have more effect than name calling , no
matter how justified the name calling mmight be !

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: MC Fat
Date: 20 Nov 05 - 10:47 AM

..he's still a ********, but at least tradition has been allowed,,next the Plough Whitby ?

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: Les from Hull
Date: 20 Nov 05 - 09:25 AM

Yes Sandra to your query. I heard that someone was prevented from using a musical cigarette lighter in a Sam Smith's pub, but that could be somebody's joke - I wasn't there. We could just spend all night ringing each other on mobile phones (mine plays Bucks of Oranmore!).

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 20 Nov 05 - 08:16 AM

20 mins to sing carols? egads, who is going to choose which ones?
what is the world coming to?

don't ya have a Religious Right around to complain that their religion is being picked on?

or a PC mob to say that observances of this religious practice will offend non-members???

sandra
by-the-by, what happens if a maudlin drunk starts singing in these music-free establishments? Is s/he shushed or thrown out into the gutter? Or removed by the constabulary?

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 20 Nov 05 - 08:06 AM

No   but he's still a bastard.

eric

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: Nick
Date: 20 Nov 05 - 07:38 AM

I also heard yesterday that following a recent managers meeting that the singing of traditional carols is allowed at Christmas in Sam Smiths - for a 20 minute slot and nothing else or more. However, it is at least a small starting point towards getting music back in Sam Smiths pubs - which personally I would like to see.

I dare say saying he is a two faced bastard is probably not the greatest way of helping him see the 'error of his ways'.

Subject: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: MC Fat
Date: 20 Nov 05 - 04:55 AM

Heard last night that the 'Carol Session' at Oughtibridge has been allowed by 'Humphrey Smith' to go on.This is great news for the Traditional Yorkshire Carols but shows what a two faced prat Humph is. Apparantly they have got to be 'traditional' thus avoiding the need for a PEL/PRS and the piano can only be used on the Friday then put away. Are we beginning to see that Hump has seen the error of his ways?