Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd

Subject: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: MC Fat
Date: 20 Nov 05 - 04:55 AM

Heard last night that the 'Carol Session' at Oughtibridge has been allowed by 'Humphrey Smith' to go on.This is great news for the Traditional Yorkshire Carols but shows what a two faced prat Humph is. Apparantly they have got to be 'traditional' thus avoiding the need for a PEL/PRS and the piano can only be used on the Friday then put away. Are we beginning to see that Hump has seen the error of his ways?

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: Nick
Date: 20 Nov 05 - 07:38 AM

I also heard yesterday that following a recent managers meeting that the singing of traditional carols is allowed at Christmas in Sam Smiths - for a 20 minute slot and nothing else or more. However, it is at least a small starting point towards getting music back in Sam Smiths pubs - which personally I would like to see.

I dare say saying he is a two faced bastard is probably not the greatest way of helping him see the 'error of his ways'.

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 20 Nov 05 - 08:06 AM

No   but he's still a bastard.

eric

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 20 Nov 05 - 08:16 AM

20 mins to sing carols? egads, who is going to choose which ones?
what is the world coming to?

don't ya have a Religious Right around to complain that their religion is being picked on?

or a PC mob to say that observances of this religious practice will offend non-members???

sandra
by-the-by, what happens if a maudlin drunk starts singing in these music-free establishments? Is s/he shushed or thrown out into the gutter? Or removed by the constabulary?

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: Les from Hull
Date: 20 Nov 05 - 09:25 AM

Yes Sandra to your query. I heard that someone was prevented from using a musical cigarette lighter in a Sam Smith's pub, but that could be somebody's joke - I wasn't there. We could just spend all night ringing each other on mobile phones (mine plays Bucks of Oranmore!).

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: MC Fat
Date: 20 Nov 05 - 10:47 AM

..he's still a ********, but at least tradition has been allowed,,next the Plough Whitby ?

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: Leadfingers
Date: 20 Nov 05 - 10:53 AM

Perhaps if Folk just went into Sam Smiths Pubs , asked if there was any music , and on being told "No" said that they wouldnt drink there then and walked out , it would have more effect than name calling , no
matter how justified the name calling mmight be !

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: MC Fat
Date: 20 Nov 05 - 12:12 PM

Think people have done that, people have written to him but it has fallen on deaf ears. So a bit of name calling is in order.

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: Carol
Date: 20 Nov 05 - 12:21 PM

Correct

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: Folkiedave
Date: 20 Nov 05 - 04:16 PM

But I do believe that the landlord has asked for NO PUBLICITY.

Dave

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: Peace
Date: 20 Nov 05 - 05:39 PM

Here's a pic, but it shows only one face.

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: GUEST,old git
Date: 20 Nov 05 - 07:09 PM

I agree with you Jim
but why does he (or at least his company) have to make such a bloody good bitter?

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: MC Fat
Date: 20 Nov 05 - 07:12 PM

if the landlord has ticked the box 'no publicity' then we have to respect him and his resolve in keeping the tradition going fair play and three cheers to him still doesn't stop Humphrey being a tw*t

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: GUEST,Mike Hassett.
Date: 20 Nov 05 - 08:32 PM

I am a big fan of Sam Smith pubs, and the excellent beer, pleasant
ambience, etc.
I like to go out with family and friends maybe a couple of times a
week and we all avoid places with music, both live or juke box.
Sam Smith's pubs are pleasant places where you can have a good drink
and a chat.
If people want to sing, play music, or whatever, there are plenty of
other establishments willing to cater for them.

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: Carol
Date: 21 Nov 05 - 03:44 AM

Well all I can say is that I hope your custom 'makes up' for the loss of the custom from all the folk clubs etc. that were held in Sam smiths pubs.
I'm sure thaere is more than one room in most pubs so you could go into the other room presumably.

As a folk singer I wouldn't go into a Sam Smith's pub (for any reason), at any time until they alter their edict and would find somewhere else to sing Christmas Carols etc. even if it was tradition to sing them in a specific pub.

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: GUEST,raggytash
Date: 21 Nov 05 - 04:06 AM

Mike
Are you aware of the background to this thread, that such occasion's like the Plough in Whitby during folk week have been stopped? There is much depth to it, if you haven't it may be enlightening to read them

Cheers

Raggy

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: GUEST, topsie
Date: 21 Nov 05 - 05:12 AM

An interesting contrast with what happened to 'The Dove' at Sidmouth a few years back.

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: The Shambles
Date: 21 Nov 05 - 05:27 AM

Whatever Mr Smiths now says - if the pub has not obtained Premises Licence entertainment permission - how after 24 November can the carols take legally place without?

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: Zany Mouse
Date: 21 Nov 05 - 06:20 AM

Having been involved with Humphrey with regard to the Brewery Museum in Stamford some years ago, I would just like to say that this man is VERY stubborn and name calling and plain nastiness will only make him dig his heels in further. The ONLY solution would be negotiation. Any good Mudcat negotiators out there?

Mingulay: Have you any input here?

Rhiannon

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: GUEST,raggytash
Date: 21 Nov 05 - 06:31 AM

Hi Rhiannon

When I wrote to Humphrey Smith I made a point of being very polite, not in any way antagonistic, I did not even have the courtesy of a reply. I think come year end however his auditors and accounts may be more persuasive than we are

Nick

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: MC Fat
Date: 21 Nov 05 - 07:34 AM

What I can't understand is why Humph decided on a total ban. Surely if he had worked it out he (and his accountants) would have worked it out that a partial ban would have been 'cost effective'. Why didn't he go full hog and licence places like the Plough-Whitby, Nellies-Beverley and others and just not licence places that didn't have music. Would have made more business sense. I know people even including the 'diplomatic' services of Malcolm Storey have tried to change Humps's mind but he seems to be blind and deaf to critics (so he wouldn't hear the name calling)

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: Sttaw Legend
Date: 21 Nov 05 - 07:48 AM

Its time to move on he certainly has, he's made it blatantly obvious that he does not care about any opinions unless they are his own and will not be changing.

There are other people out there who are prepared to have live music in there venues - good luck to them.

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: Carol
Date: 21 Nov 05 - 09:07 AM

Yes, agreed Mr Straw Legend but I also wrote to himm politley and also never even had any acknowledgement of the letter - I wonder how many more of us did???

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Nov 05 - 09:09 AM

Any sign of having music in Sam's pubs for New Year's eve??

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: The Shambles
Date: 21 Nov 05 - 06:37 PM

If the event is to be legal after the 24th November (and I am assuming that the same laws will apply in Yorshire as everywhere else) perhaps the licensee would need to be reminded that they will have to apply and pay for a Temporary Event Notice. This from the local Licensing Authority - and which will require a minimum of 10 working days?

Otherwise there is a distinct danger that the local council will have to take enforcement action to try and prevent it.

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: Malcolm Douglas
Date: 21 Nov 05 - 08:02 PM

They will avoid any such action if they can, but may (as you say) be obliged to act if it is brought to their attention. That is why Oughtibridge has requested discretion, and why anything that may or may not be happening there is omitted from the public listings compiled by Pat Malham and published online by me (see relevant thread). Whatever takes place, if it takes place, will be essentially a private thing. There is no need for the tourists to know.

Jim, by blabbing prematurely, has done his best to screw things up for them. The road to Hell, as we all know, is paved with "good intentions".

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: The Shambles
Date: 22 Nov 05 - 02:25 AM

With the greatest respect if the new law applies here - why should Yorkshire be exempt from it?

If this event can happen legally and openly - it presents hope for similar activities in the rest of the country. If it can't - then then it will serve as an example of how counter-productive our legislation is and demonstrate that changes urgently need to be made either in the words of the law or its local enforcement. The head-in-the - sand approach will not work - even in Yorkshire.

I beleive that such event as these and sessions etc can legally take place under this new legislation and feel that it is this argument that should be made. The attempt to pretend the event is not something it is (ie open to the public) is not really helpful to anyone in the short or th long term.

It should perhaps be mentioned that there are two legal issues here. Sam Smith's refusal to pay for the PRS/PPL licence (hence the need for all the material played to be traditional) and the requirement for a licence to provide Regulated Entertainment.

The latter can perhaps be gotten around by the material played but I am amazed that no steps have been taken to ensure that these events are legal under the new legislation - as the dangers presented to this sort of event have be flagged-up for some time.

Rather than no publicity (if that were possible) I suggest the answer is exactly the opposite.

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Nov 05 - 03:48 AM

"Jim, by blabbing prematurely, has done his best to screw things up for them."

Thats very unusual for him to open his big mouth and put his big foot in it!!!

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 22 Nov 05 - 03:51 AM

Eh up James, the trolls are on the loose again

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: Folkiedave
Date: 22 Nov 05 - 05:23 AM

" Rather than no publicity (if that were possible) I suggest the answer is exactly the opposite."

Much as I admire Shambles indefatigability in this matter - I feel we must ALWAYS respect a landlord's wishes.

Now can we close this thread please?

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: The Shambles
Date: 22 Nov 05 - 06:04 AM

Whatever the fate of this thread - the genie has emerged and will not be stuffed-back in the bottle.

The licensee's wishes should be respected but the law is not subject to those wishes? The outcome will be that the event takes place illegally - legally or does not take place at all. These are the choices open to the licensee. The best bet to ensure that it happens would be for them to apply for the TEN.

But to try to stick our heads in the sand and pretend that all parties are not now fully aware of all the circumstances is not really possible.

For if the intention of all parties is to try and ensure that this sort of activity can illegally take place in Yorkshire - would it not be fair to try and ensure that similar activities can illegally take place elsewhere?

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 22 Nov 05 - 06:06 AM

Jimbo please see Runswick Bay thread

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: MC Fat
Date: 22 Nov 05 - 06:19 AM

I'm sorry for babbling prematurely (is this a case of premature e-jok-u-lation ?) and do respect the landlord's request for 'no publicity' however still consider the actions of Smith's as hypocritical. I for one want to see music back in Smith's pubs especially at places like the Plough (although it was never a favourite session of mine)so whilst this may not be the time and place there is still room for debate and lobbying. Now I'll stop babbling.

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: MC Fat
Date: 22 Nov 05 - 06:22 AM

..oh and that's why I named the thread after Hump and didn't put the pub or carols in the thread title

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: GUEST,Mingulay at work
Date: 22 Nov 05 - 11:16 AM

Sam Smith's premises of course used to have music. Zany Mouse refers above to the Brewery Museum in Stamford where we occasionally had music and, of course,the Scotgate Inn just round the corner which was at one time the venue for the Stamford Folk Club. At the time Humphrey had no interest in music for it cost him nothing and brought in the punters. However, now that money is involved he is very interested, in a 'not spending any' sort of way. Unfortunately he is a professional Yorkshireman of the music hall joke variety. The last time I saw him he was wearing a suit which must have belonged to his grandfather, a much smaller man! Maybe one day he will see sense, but I very much doubt it. As the old joke goes "why the long face - I found a shilling, so why the long face then - I lost a tanner"

Any chance of hell freezing over?

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 22 Nov 05 - 11:32 AM

It will require action of a much higher profile than moaning on the Mudcat to effect any change in this company's short sighted policies.
Giok.

[Nice troll by the way Mike Hassett]

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: John Routledge
Date: 22 Nov 05 - 01:17 PM

What is fair or not fair in non-Yorkshire parts of the country will essentially be determined by the people of the area in question

They are quite at liberty if they wish to follow the "lead" set by some Yorkshire people to right the wrong caused by the decision of a Yorkshireman.

Only local people can do an accurate risk assessment of the likelihood of prosecution.

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: Zany Mouse
Date: 22 Nov 05 - 04:12 PM

Mingulay: Can you remember how much influence Liverpool has on Humph?

R

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: MC Fat
Date: 22 Nov 05 - 07:25 PM

Doh

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Nov 05 - 03:23 PM

Just a note to say, for the last few years both the musicians Christmas bash, and my works sup up and fall down, have always been in Blaksams pub in Beverley (Any africanas will hit on the ref Blaksam ) However this year both these will be held in Hodgsons thanks to a good landlord, that has gone out of his way to make us welcome,, (and did we not burn Humpty on the bonfire at the Whitby festival this year?) Cheers 2 all Oombanjo.

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: GUEST,Mingulay at work
Date: 24 Nov 05 - 06:05 AM

ZM            I don't think Liverpool has an effect on Humphrey really, they have a business relationship so both are inclined to look at making money and not spending it. I just wonder if the Melbournes pubs have gone the same way, or does Eddie still do anything to get the punters in. Even when we were there he was doing his best to downgrade the ambience with loud music etc.

P

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: GUEST,Betsy
Date: 24 Nov 05 - 06:26 AM

I wouldn't go into a Sam Smiths pub on principle.
Sanm Smiths is shite and unpleasant beer - it always has been and always will be, at least in the N.East of England where I live.
As for his ban on music, I would say to him " A plague of bastards on your houses Sir ! ".
Give me a pint of John Smiths (the other side of the family) - any day.
Cheers, Betsy

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: Folkiedave
Date: 24 Nov 05 - 06:49 AM

I would not have posted except that the thread is once again near the top.

Please can we now drop this. The landlord has asked for NO PUBLICITY.

A thread with a title like this is hardly likely to endear him to his bosses and really does not help local people maintain a tradition of carol singing in a particular boozer.

Dave

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: GUEST,Concerned
Date: 24 Nov 05 - 09:14 AM

Dave you had best tell MC Fat the starter of the thread!!

The landlord will be breaking the law, be it in good faith or trying to make a quick few pounds, and is going against the wishes of his boss.

Sam Smiths does not wish to be involved with music in any way. The solution is to give custom to the breweries who do and are willing to pay for the relevant licences.

You are kidding yourselves if you think this is the way forward.

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: GUEST,andy
Date: 13 Apr 09 - 03:14 AM

frozen pies my arse what a mess humphry is it coz you are sat on that many pies when your other crazy buissines went bust

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: GUEST,SamSmiths.info
Date: 27 Jul 09 - 02:20 PM

More news with regards to the latest Humph happenings at..

SamSmiths.info

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: Soldier boy
Date: 27 Jul 09 - 06:17 PM

Of course Humphrey is a B*st*rd of the highest degree and a crazy one at that but the real villain of the peace here is the stupid PRS/PPL licence!   It's just another income earner by the government,like speed cameras,it's a back-door tax on the nation so the government can cream in millions and then waste it on quangos,bureaucracy,asylum seekers and MPs expenses.

What gets me is how many breweries and publicans just bent over and accepted it and did'nt put two fingers up to the government and carry on regardless. We're such a wuss nation. We're always getting shafted and allow ourselves to be walked all over.
Sorry - end of political commentry.

How old is Humphrey? Any possibility of his demise anytime soon?
And when he does die will Sam Smiths Brewery continue to ban any entertainments or will they relent completely and go back to the good old days? What do you think?

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: goatfell
Date: 28 Jul 09 - 11:34 AM

it takes one to know one

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: Doktor Doktor
Date: 28 Jul 09 - 11:43 AM

" ... It's just another income earner by the government ..." err noooo
http://www.ppluk.com/ & http://www.prsformusic.com/

" .. PRS for Music administers the performing right in musical works such as songs or instrumentals etc. Phonographic Performance Ltd (PPL) licenses rights similar to PRS for Music's but in relation to copyright 'sound recordings', rather than original musical works which may have been embodied in them. So, if you play CDs, tapes or records you may also need a PPL licence as well as one from us. PPL represents record companies and performers. PRS for Music represents composers, songwriters and music publishers. ..."

Just so's you know ......

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: GUEST,sarah
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 05:59 AM

My name is Sarah and im looking to take over the plough some time, and i really hope one day he will se the error of his ways by banning folks music the pubs gp will massively be affected, however i wish to bring out the best of the pub which i feel has been neglected. Samual Smiths beers are bnot only the cheapest but also the tasiest if the cellar is kept right so fingers crossed i can increase footfall in the plough even without the folkies sarah

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: theleveller
Date: 23 Aug 09 - 06:11 AM

I've heard from one of his ex-landlords that he's a complete bastard. He's been known to walk into pubs unannounced and if he doesn't like what he sees to fire the landlord with no notice. I believe several have tried to take him to court. He doesn't give a stuff whether people drink in his pubs or not - he owns millions of pounds worth of property, including a large tract of Thames river frontage near Canary Wharf. I won't go into a Sam Smiths pub on priciple, much as I like the beer.

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: Gedpipes
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 05:40 AM

That's a peculiar message Guest Sarah.

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: GUEST,aleman
Date: 24 Aug 09 - 06:29 AM

ged,
what's Theakston's got to do with this? :-)

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: Gedpipes
Date: 30 Aug 09 - 12:39 PM

nicer pint?

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: Paul Davenport
Date: 31 Aug 09 - 11:49 AM

I'm not sure if the licensing act actually has any relevance to this situation. My reading is that a license needs to be obtained if 'professional' musicians (i.e. being paid to play at the venue) are involved. There is no requirement to license a spontaneous outburst of singing/music by customers for their own entertainment. Trouble is no publican is prepared to test this. Read the Act its there in black and white.

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: GUEST,bigjim
Date: 15 Jan 10 - 06:08 AM

Just found this site and old thread - we at www.samsmiths.info are trying to piece together exactly what Humphrey Smith owns - can theleveller shed any further light on "he owns a large tract of Thames river frontage near Canary Wharf"? Cheers.

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: theleveller
Date: 15 Jan 10 - 07:50 AM

Jim, I was told this by a disgruntled ex-tenant of one of Smith's pubs. He told me in some detail how much property Humphrey Smith owns and also about how he had behaved to a lot of his tenants/managers but, unfortunately, I can't remember any more details.

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: GUEST,muppett
Date: 15 Jan 10 - 09:44 AM

There's something I've been wanting to do during Whitby folk week, since the Plough has been out of bounds for us warblers and that's to go in with a crowd and organise a talk around i.e. we 'talk' instead of sing, but instead of it being like a poetry reading do it more conversationally;
E.G.
Person 1 Eeeh I've been a wild rover for many a year

Person 2 Ave yer?

Person 1 Aye & I've spent all me money on whiskey & Beer and now I'm returning with Gold in great store and I'll never will play the wild Rover no more.

Person 1,2,3,4,5, No nay never ..........

And so on .........

There's loads of songs we could do it to and break it up a bit every so often we could cough, burb or fart a few gigs and reels, who's up for it ???????????

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 15 Jan 10 - 09:57 AM

You could do Sid Kippers' Whistling Monologue ' as it's not really music.

Dave H

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: Carol
Date: 15 Jan 10 - 10:12 AM

Why spend anything in his pubs?

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: katlaughing
Date: 15 Jan 10 - 10:48 AM

That's brill, muppet!

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: Tyke
Date: 15 Jan 10 - 08:24 PM

Humphrey I'm afraid seems to be above the Law on the one hand he give's and on the other he seems to cause a lot of greif and expence to people including The East Riding County Council.

Let's face it if you owned just the Plough and the Jolly Sailor in Whitby you could sell them and never work again never mind the rest.

Why not just leave him to run his little Brewery sooner or later he'll do a Ratner. In the meantime I for one don't patronise his Beer!

My thought's are with his poor employies who I am informed tread a tight roop every day because if Humphrey decides your out YOUR OUT! THAT'S OUT OF A JOB AND OUT OF A HOME! I certainly would not live in his fifedom of Tadcaster. That said all brewery owner have a lot to answer for.

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: GUEST,catstarfish
Date: 23 Feb 10 - 11:45 AM

two faces is an understatement his pubs are going to wreck and ruin try cambridge hotel mtddlesbrough oh forgot its closed again wonder why?

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: GUEST,Muppett
Date: 23 Feb 10 - 12:16 PM

How about having a ringtone around session, whilst supping tap water?

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: GUEST,cujimmy
Date: 05 Oct 10 - 02:58 PM

Looks like the Humph recons he owns the copy write to the Yorkshire Rose too look -

http://www.gazetteherald.co.uk/news/8431583.Samuel_Smith_launch_legal_action_over_Cropton_Brewery_s_white_rose_beer_branding/

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: Nick
Date: 05 Oct 10 - 06:56 PM

One faced surely?

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: Tyke
Date: 05 Oct 10 - 09:10 PM

Well I think it used to be a flogging offence to fly countries flag upside down!
No one seems to bother much now in the Conservative Club in Saddleworth where they are proud, I've told, to be in Yorkshire I found them hanging Yorkshire White Rose upside down. Tykes News the Rose is upside down on the front cover.
Can you tell them no! because they point to the Rose on the gates of Keighly Castle.
But wait shock horror Keighly Castle was a Lancastrian Castle the Archers from Cravendale fought for Lancaster.

The Yorkshire Rose should have Two Barbs at the Top and a Single Barb at the bottom. The Red Rose of Lancaster should have a Single Barb at the Top and Two Barbs at the bottom. Why probably for the same reason that a Stop Sign is the only inverted Triangle. So you can recognise the difference when they get covered with snow, as the Lancastrian Roses did not a mile away from Humphrey's House at the Battle of Towton Moor.

SHAME ON YOU HUMPHREY SMITH YOUR CLAIM TO THE YORKSHIRE ROSE IS FALSE.

YOUR COMMERCIAL LOGO IS BASED ON A LANCASTRAIN ROSE. IT HAS A SINGLE BARB AT THE TOP!

HOW DARE YOU TRY TO LAY CLAIM TO THE COLOURS OF A YORKSHIRE REGIMENT? HOW MANY BRAVE ENGLISH SOLDIERS HAVE DIED OR HAVE BEEN WOUNDED DEFENDING THEIR REGIMENTS COLOURS?

TO CLAIM THAT THE WARRIOR LOGO IS TOO SIMILER TO THE SAM SMITH LOGO AND THAT IT COULD CAUSE CONFUSION IS LIKE SAYING A STOP SIGN IS TOO SIMILAR TO A GIVE WAY SIGN.

There are other ways to tell the difference between Sam Smiths and Warrior from Croptons Brewery. Music being allowed whilst you enjoying a pint being just one!

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: theleveller
Date: 06 Oct 10 - 03:21 AM

Well I know whose beer I'll be drinking.

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: GUEST,MC Fat
Date: 06 Oct 10 - 03:27 AM

He took legal action against the Sheffield Brewery Company for their use of the White Rose in their logo. Eddie at first (I believe) was going fight them but then they offered to pay a design company to design a new logo and look they went for that and had a re-launch. Istarted this thread 5 years ago and I still agree with it's title.

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: GUEST,Steamin' Willie
Date: 06 Oct 10 - 05:02 AM

Agree with some of the above, and have been known to drink in the aforementioned hostelry from time to time. (Friends live just up the road.)

Mind you, when Wetherspoons set up near where I used to live, we loved it. Not just because of the range of beers on offer, but because they did not have music. You could hear yourself talk, not have to lip read your mate, could hear the barmaid tell you how much money to hand over and where the bogs were.

I just wonder if Sam Smiths pubs toyed with the same idea? In essence, that's commendable, but as ever, silly arbitrary rules rather than applying a common sense policy.

Don't forget, the idea of no music is to be an antidote to loud dance music, not a pop at beer drinking sandal wearing bearded carol singers. if requiring a pint of Sam Smiths whilst sticking a finger in one ear and droning on is so important, then Sam Smiths beer has status in the folk world I hadn't reckoned on....

If the business tactics of pub owners requires a boycott, then there will be even less pubs. I have family experience of getting into bed with Punch, and they make Humphrey look a bit amateur...

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 06 Oct 10 - 08:30 AM

All the Weatherspoons near where I live are so big it's like drinking in a warehouse, and so crowded and noisy you'd never hear music if there was any.

Dave H

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: Tyke
Date: 07 Oct 10 - 11:49 AM

Steaming Willie, Humphreys no Music rule is not about Just Folkies with a finger in the ear droning on it's about locals who consider it to be thier Pub having thier lives disrupted. No more Watching Sport or going into the Bookies next door then into the pub for a game of Domminoes whilst waching the racing. It is the Customers who make a pub what it is and Landlords and breweries should be aware of that! If they don't like it they go elsware. The Pub trade is in decline music venues are because of Humphreys edict are in short supply. Sounds like a goodtime to buy and develope propertise to turn into Licenced Live Music Venues. Unfortunatly for Humphrey the Grey haired Old Folky is just the man or woman with the Grey Pound to give Humphrey and others some competion. I doubt iif Sam Smiths will get a lookin as a Guest Beer.

Oh and the only time I have stood in the bar with my finger in my ear was when the Grease From the upstairs Oven caught fire in the Plough Whitby. As the team of Fire brigade men arrived me and Mick Haywood stood fast and sang the OLD DUN COW!

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: Am
Date: 31 Dec 10 - 12:02 PM

Just been for a meal in my local sams pub ,what a load of frozen bullshit ,and the price I think humphry thinks we are as backward as he is,someone who works under him says he has now cracked up

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: Am
Date: 31 Dec 10 - 12:05 PM

Frozen meals ,what a load of bullshit hump and the price is the same good old selby pubs selling at halfvthe price to humphry

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Apr 13 - 07:04 PM

I think Humphrey Smith is a vile man, he treats his employees apaulingly from what i have seen and i will never set foot in one of his pubs because of this.

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: GUEST,An ex Sam Smiths licensee
Date: 07 Apr 14 - 09:36 AM

People have.a right to choose which pubs they go into and as Humphrey Smith now only employ managers they choose to work for him
My husband and I were tenants in a Sam Smiths pub for over 20 very good enjoyable years
Neither Humphrey or Oliver Smith are orgres they own a business and run it as they see fit

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: GUEST,Pete.
Date: 31 Oct 21 - 04:26 PM

Well Humphrey has now banned mobile phones, I pads, tablets and any other electronic device )icluding paying by card) Swearing. And now dogs AND children from inside his pubs. Is he trying to destroy his pub business?
One of his long standing employees put it this way to me
"He's off his rocker!"

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: GUEST,Peter
Date: 31 Oct 21 - 05:13 PM

No card payments? Who the hell carries cash these days? I don't know about "up north" but his London pubs will be pretty empty.

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: The Sandman
Date: 01 Nov 21 - 04:08 AM

I carry cash and hardly ever use cards. I think his attitude is entirely his business it is his business after all. how refrshing to go in to a pub and not have mobile phones and other electronic devices including paying by card

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Nov 21 - 04:14 AM

I prefer cash except for expensive items.

Dave H

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 01 Nov 21 - 05:53 AM

Well Humphrey has now banned mobile phones, I pads, tablets and any other electronic device )icluding paying by card) ...

The mobile phone ban was reported in the newspapers in March 2019. Back then, banning payment by card might have seemed a good idea but, in these days of Covid, contactless card payments are becoming the norm so Sam Smith pubs may have to rethink their policy, if they haven't already. The ban could still apply to phone apps used as a card.

DC

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: GUEST,patriot
Date: 01 Nov 21 - 05:57 AM

good for yer man- a person of principle, obviously, who is not convinced by the current obsession with technological crap.

He's probably a rampant tory and I'd probably detest most of his opinions, but his beer is excellent and I'd say the cheapest in England, so isn't that enough?

Who needs anything else, including 'live music'?

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 01 Nov 21 - 06:57 AM

No' its not enough, the man is a multi millionaire landowner [ apart from owning the brewery ] he seeks to keep people away from his land both legally and illegally, he treats the staff who run his pubs like slaves that belong to him.

He's a disgrace to Yorkshire and England, a nasty avaricious man.

Dave H

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: Doug Chadwick
Date: 01 Nov 21 - 07:44 AM

..... - a person of principle, obviously, who is not convinced by the current obsession with technological crap.

In January 2020, nine months after the ban was introduced in the Sam Smith pub chain, Humphrey Smith was photographed in a rival Wetherspoon's pub checking his mobile phone. So much for principle. A case of "do as I say, not as I do".

DC

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: GUEST,patriot
Date: 01 Nov 21 - 09:23 AM

I'll take your word for that- there are a lot of them about, mainly in the government but at least this man has some redeeming features in running some old fashioned pubs, low prices and excellent beer

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Nov 21 - 09:40 AM

Try Holt's pubs instead, Patriot. Good, cheap beer. Good basic pubs. And some of their profits go to a good cause (Cancer treatment)

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: GUEST,patriot
Date: 01 Nov 21 - 12:45 PM

Thanks for the suggestion & I'd be all for it, but the geography is wrong for me

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 01 Nov 21 - 12:56 PM

An alternative option is giving up booze and pubs..

Ain't done me any harm.. and by now, I rarely ever miss it...

[A voluntary choice made much easier by all my favourite local rough cider pubs closing down, or being 'modernised'...]

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: GUEST,patriot
Date: 01 Nov 21 - 01:07 PM

Yes punk rocker, that's a good argument- my old local has just become a 'gastro pub'* (spits) - I'm out of the habit anyway.... local brewer does takeaway beer & the music's better on my CD player- I'm with you!

* alternative name- 'pouffe's parlour'

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: Rain Dog
Date: 01 Nov 21 - 01:25 PM

It's not easy for pubs to survive on wet sales alone. Times are nearly always changing. People just don't go to pubs now as much as they did in the past.

I still go to the pub. Sometimes i do wonder how they manage to make much money. My local is a free house, so at least the profit, however small, stays with them

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: punkfolkrocker
Date: 01 Nov 21 - 01:40 PM

My cousin took over and ran a popular thriving local community traditional social club.

The cultural hub of the council estate for at least half a century.

Until shifty backroom dealings at a political level pushed her out and shut it down..

.. to be demolished and replaced by another corporate supermarket...

Which now threatens the business of a long established convenience shop just across the road,
owned by a local family...

Subject: RE: Humphrey Smith a Two Faced B*st*rd
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Nov 21 - 02:06 PM

Shame about that Patriot. Ah well. If you are ever in the Manchester area, you know where to go :-) Talking of gasto pubs, I love the line in the song "The old number 10"

The sign that said, gaily, "Hot lunches served daily"
Had the blood in my veins running cold

:D