BS: Gary Glitter

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Mar 06 - 09:22 AM

Being in England where he is well known and can't hide would be better than being released and allowed to live abroad. He has spent the last few years in and out of dodgy bars surrounded by very young girls. Could that happen in England? I don't think so.

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST,Ooh-Aah2
Date: 04 Mar 06 - 05:48 AM

I think the poor pathetic bastards who feel up and molest children on the spur of the moment without being able to control themselves should be treated with some pity and understanding - couselled helped, but ultimately locked up unless they can change their ways. Rock spiders like Glitter, on the other hand, who coldly and carefully set out to gratify themselves by destroying children's lives, should be hung up by the balls on lengths of rusty barbed wire - and if that appalls you, alanabit, then I'm afraid I don't care.

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: alanabit
Date: 04 Mar 06 - 05:12 AM

I am not sure what the correct penalty for child molesting is. Wiser heads than mine have experience of dealing with perpetrators and victims. I would want to listen to them.
We are all disgusted by child abuse, which does not mean we all have a clear understanding of it. I would quite possibly severely damage a child molester, whom I caught attempting the act - whether it was my child or yours. That does not make it justice though.
It is dangerous to get into bidding auctions about what retribution molestors should suffer. "I would hang them!", "No, cut their balls off!", "No, we should whip, stab and hang them! (Iranian justice). That says more about us that it does about the criminal. There is something rather unsavoury about feeling justified in allowing our basest instincts to take over. The world needs a bit more justice and a bit less revenge.

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST,stevenrailing
Date: 04 Mar 06 - 04:13 AM

Yes we can but hope that the above comes into frution. Either way, he should never be allowed back on streets again.

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 04 Mar 06 - 04:01 AM

It seems that "out by Christmas" may be just the end of the first chapter.

According to BBC news the police will be waiting to arrest him as soon as he arrives in the UK, after deportation from Vietnam.

The plan is to charge him with possession of over 2000 child porn images found on his laptop.

This comes under the new law permitting British citizens to be prosecuted for their actions while abroad.

Good news for British parents.

Don T.

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST,stevenrailing
Date: 04 Mar 06 - 03:59 AM

"We owe human dignity to everyone - even the mass child torturer. Anything less and we diminish our own humanity."

No we don't. Being human (in sense of being civilized and inclusive in some sense of morality) is not something we are born with, it is something we strive towards. Glitter is not civilized, no sense of morality, (except one of a maniac) and is a threat to children born into a life of poverty. Glitter preyed on the poor, and abused them for it.

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 04 Mar 06 - 02:49 AM

Him and a lot more Ard. You're dead right.

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: ard mhacha
Date: 03 Mar 06 - 02:26 PM

It seems some people on this Site are as weird as the perverted scumbag who will be out by Christmas, is there an argument the man has been proven to be a sicko for a long time.
Put him away for life, no child is safe with this monster around.

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 03 Mar 06 - 12:48 PM

GUEST, to keep the full context, alanabit said "We owe human dignity to everyone - even the mass child torturer. Anything less and we diminish our own humanity."

Yes, you clearly do differ.

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Mar 06 - 09:00 AM

We owe human dignity to everyone - even the mass child torturer.

Well we'll have to strongly differ there.

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: gnomad
Date: 03 Mar 06 - 07:52 AM

Thanks to alanabit & guest,bagpuss for injecting a degree of civilisation.

Rereading some of the earlier posts I note that there is concern over chance that the "wrong person" might be beaten up or worse. This implies that there is a "right person" for such treatment. Sorry, can't agree; there is a right subject for due legal process, and punishment if justified, but no right victim for mob violence. I am aware that if sufficiently angered I would be quite capable of joining a mob, that doesn't make it a laudable, or even a decent, thing to do.

That is what ought to elevate humankind above the animals, though if animals make moral judgements I reckon many would have cause to look down on us.

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: alanabit
Date: 03 Mar 06 - 07:12 AM

I don't think that calling someone an ageing sexual misfit sounds either like a compliment or an attempt to rehabilitate them. I don't particularly feel the need to demonstrate that I hate say, Gary Glitter, David Irving or Ossama Bin Laden any more than anyone else. They are all sad basket cases to me, no matter how unsavoury I find them.
I have recently been in an interesting debate here with Peter K. on the Irving case. Although I do not agree with his views entirely, it is interesting to hear a man defend the rights of the unattractive bigot. I respect him for that. Similarly, the test of our compassion is not how much sympathy we can muster for brown eyed orphans, dewey eyed heroines and cute puppies. We owe human dignity to everyone - even the mass child torturer. Anything less and we diminish our own humantiy. I will have no truck with the "Up against the wall" mob.

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 03 Mar 06 - 06:35 AM

Cut his nuts off and make him eat 'em.

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Mar 06 - 06:30 AM

and who said we shouldn't aim to kill both?

Ageing misfit? I hope you are not trying to provoke some sort of defence of this monster?

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: alanabit
Date: 03 Mar 06 - 06:04 AM

Indeed poverty is a killer. How much easier to kill an ageing sexual misfit than it is to eradicate poverty.

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Mar 06 - 05:14 AM

Subject: BS: Gary Glitter
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 24 Nov 05 - 07:11 PM

5 dollar prostitute under the age of consent - potential for statutory rape sentence to be firing squad?

Something a bit screwy here?

Only thing screwy is that the beast is still alive. Those poor kids. Poverty is a killer!

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST,Bagpuss
Date: 03 Mar 06 - 05:07 AM

On the argument that people should be told about paedophiles living in their neighbourhoods. People seem to be unaware that the main reason for not releasing such information is not to protect the rights of the abuser per se, but rather to make children safer. At the moment, most released sex offenders have their whereabouts known by the police, so if there are any attacks, they know they would be the first port of call. Once that info is released to the general public, the offender is invariably hounded from their home and they move without informing the police where they are going. So then, you still have paedophiles living near you, but neither you nor the police know where they are.

Bagpuss

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 03 Mar 06 - 04:41 AM

The verdict is out - guilty
Gary Glitter found guilty

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST,parent
Date: 05 Dec 05 - 03:17 PM

ok, add 'neighbourhood watch' organizers, etc to list of community leaders
privvy to paedo ID info..

the point is, one formal/informal way or another..

you should know if a confirmed paedo lives next door..

.. just dont persecute [or try not to beat the shit out of] him unless
you know for certain he's been up to anything involving children

That is even more shocking! Less than 50% of the UK has neighbourhood watch schemes. There has to be a certain amount of interest in it to be set up locally. In highly populated inner city areas with transient populations the rate is far lower. They may work great in smaller areas though.

I didnt realise they had access to criminal records, are you sure about that? The man who came knocking on my door asking if we were interested in setting one up, (with himself being in charge) has recently been divorced by his wife for years of domestic violence. I wouldn't trust him with any data protected information. He IS the local vigilante.

And the only way to make sure the wrong people aren't targetted and 'beat up', is to ensure that the right people are identified. Easy really, no confusion then. We are so concerned about the rights of the convicted offender we have lost sight of the rights of the children to protection. Like I said we are quicker to protect them from dog bites.

Once they are released from prison they are free to offend again unchallenged. And forget about the recommendation that they are rehoused nowhere near a school. There is no area in my city that is nowhere near a school. The latest one to hit our local headlines was actually rehoused in a third floor flat overlooking an early years 0-5 yrs nursery. His flat looked directly into their playground. When his whereabouts became known he was moved to an area three miles away and on the same street as a primary school.

If the judicial system can't rehab them, and the police can't monitor them, then I am afraid even Mars is too close for comfort.

We are not going to agree and we are going around in circles now. I am of the belief that they should have zero rights to anonymity. They have foregone them to get their sexual kicks.

I only know of one, as stated above, in our locale, but he is certainly not alone. Which negates your argument that by one means or another we should know where they are living. The truth is we don't. In a city of approx ten million according to your reasoning he is the only one, because we know about him?

I can see your point about the wrong person being attacked by a hate mob, and the reason this can happen at present is because their identities are kept secret. Do away with anonymity and those who deserve to watch their backs as they walk the streets will be the only ones living under that pressure. I don't advocate or condone violence, but if I were to see a known convicted child sex offender getting a kicking I am honest enough to say I would walk by and cross the road.

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST,GUEST,11:40 AM
Date: 05 Dec 05 - 02:00 PM

oops.. cut'n'paste error..

that should have been GUEST,11:40 AM


my reason for joining in here
[my soapbox issue]
is that
people shoud resist jumping to the wrong conclusion
that anyone who is concerned by corporate media fueled
mass vigelante paedo paranoia/over-reaction,
poisoning modern 'civilized' society,

is therfore pro paedo 'rights' or even worse 'one of 'em'!!!!???!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST,01:04 PM
Date: 05 Dec 05 - 01:36 PM

ok, add 'neighbourhood watch' organizers, etc to list of community leaders
privvy to paedo ID info..

the point is, one formal/informal way or another..

you should know if a confirmed paedo lives next door..

.. just dont persecute [or try not to beat the shit out of] him unless
you know for certain he's been up to anything involving children

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST,parent
Date: 05 Dec 05 - 01:04 PM

I live in a city of approx 10 million people. How many released sex offenders would you hazard a guess also live here?

Under the data protection act (amongst others) the professionals who know their names and addresses know them in confidentiality. They are not passed around like idle gossip. The community is NOT aware of who they are. The children that live on their streets are NOT aware of who they are.

You mentioned church/social and youth services being privy to the information. As they are historically the three most notorious breeding grounds for child sexual abuse am I meant to feel safer that they know who the sex offenders are?

If a dog bites a child there is more outcry than there is over paedophilia. The dog is invariably put down. Other dangerous breeds are banned or muzzled. We protect our children against potentially dangerous animals, but potentially dangerous humans have the right to live next door to us and remain unknown to us.

I'm sorry but there is something inherently wrong with that. Sentences should be longer and treatment should be compulsory, release should be dependant upon psychiatric reports and identities should be known. If someone feels as though their 'rights' have been infringed by having these conditions imposed on them, then there is a very easy way to avoid them. Stay away from children. If they can't manage that then prison is the best place.

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST,11:40 AM
Date: 05 Dec 05 - 12:29 PM

ok..

'preferably'..

ideal world scenario..

paedos volunteer to commitment for treatment..

local community is aware of them and calmly tolerates their existence
if they stay away from children..


But..


real flawed world scenario..

health/social and police authorities need more realistic and pragmatic
powers to persuade paedos that 'voluntary' lifetime treatment is the best & safest option
if they want to survive living in a community
where key law/social/youth/church officials have been provided with their names & addresses......

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST,parent
Date: 05 Dec 05 - 12:05 PM

Of course communities need to be kept informed of local potential threats
to their children.

And that is the problem. Once released their identity is NOT KNOWN to communities. They are rehoused next to you and me without our knowledge. And voluntarily accepting treatment helps who exactly? It helps the ones who wish to fly under the radar and not seek help.

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST,singalongaGuest
Date: 05 Dec 05 - 11:40 AM

"What is it, guest and zak, that makes you think that this crime should be kept secret?"

could you please be more specific..

which guest are you refering to..

.. and apparently 'implying' may possibly be a depraved undercover paedo..


I'm the 'comedy song' folkie guest.. i detest paedo's



I certainly want the public to be aware of any real threat paedos pose
to children..

[but at the same time would prefere them to voluntarily accept treatment,
without being driven underground and into hiding,
and off the radar scope of mental health and police agencies]

Of course communities need to be kept informed of local potential threats
to their children..

..but in a more rational and objective form of media reporting;

with less emphasis on cynical manipulative scaremongering propaganda..

and the whipped up fury of ignorant ill-informed mass vigilante 'hate' mobs..

The problems of paranoid suspicion, violence and disorder with which they can infect decent society..

[..resulting from profiteering irresponsible and ideologicaly motivated
media self interests..]

..are too high a cost and not acceptable in a supposedly civilised culture.




clear enough.. ???

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 05 Dec 05 - 07:16 AM

Right on the button d.

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: dianavan
Date: 04 Dec 05 - 05:37 PM

Thank goodness the media has brought the problem of child sexual abuse to light. If they hadn't, many children would still be suffering in silence. Its because the issue has become public information that parents and the general public are more aware.

...and yes, guest, most child sexual abuse is committed by family members or friends of the family, which makes it even more important that children are encouraged to tell someone they trust. When abuse is committed by a family member, it is more difficult for the child to come forward.

What is it, guest and zak, that makes you think that this crime should be kept secret?

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Dec 05 - 12:16 PM

yes. every agenda is a right-wing agenda ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST,paedo basher baiter
Date: 04 Dec 05 - 11:16 AM

"are we now making light of children suffering abuse?"


I'd sincerely hope the answer from all of us is..


"OF COURSE NOT, NEVER !"


..child abuse is an all too deadly serious issue..

Paedophiles are sick 'wicked' individuals
who need preventative treatment,
and punishment if found guilty of child abuse.


however mass media fueled reactinary irrational paranoid cretinous vicious mob vigilante culture

deserves to be ridiculed by any means..

whether by sarcasm & satire, crude or sophisticated..

its all fair game..


..when social reason & objectivity is eroded and violated

by cynical and manipulative right wing agendas.

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 04 Dec 05 - 08:59 AM

I believe Latin is still on the syllabus in some schools

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Dec 05 - 06:02 AM

ive just rehojned this convo. are we now making light of children suffering abuse?

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 04 Dec 05 - 04:31 AM

I think we're entering the realms of fantasy here.....

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST,rural mob justice
Date: 04 Dec 05 - 01:35 AM

Where be thit Paedo to?
I know where he'll be,
He'll be up yon Wurzel tree,
Cuz I be after he!
Now I sees he, And he sees I,
Bugger'd if I don't get 'im
Wit a gurt big rope I'll string 'im up
Paedo, I'll 'ave thee!


La la la la la la
La la la la la la

Lynch a Paedo!
(Audience Answer) Allright!

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST,l'il tweety paedo paranoia
Date: 03 Dec 05 - 10:29 PM

TWEETY:

I taut I taw a paedophile a creepin' up on me
I did! I taw a paedophile as plain as he could be!

That paedophile is very bad, he sneaks up from behind
I don't think I would like it if I knew what's on his mind
I have a strong suspicion that his plans for me aren't good
I am inclined to think that he would *@$? me if he could


SYLVESTER:

I am that great big bad old paedo, Sylvester is my name
I only have one aim in life and that is very plain
I want to catch that little bird and *@$? him right away
But just as I get close to him, this is what he'll say


TWEETY:

I taut I taw a paedophile a creepin' up on me
I did! I taw a paedophile as plain as he could be!

That paedophile is very bad, he sneaks up from behind
I don't think I would like it if I knew what's on his mind
I have a strong suspicion that his plans for me aren't good
I am inclined to think that he would *@$? me if he could



Yep.. they're everywhere !!!!!


BEWARE.. BEWARE !!!!!!..

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 03 Dec 05 - 02:13 PM

Ringo Starr's kid....?

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: zak
Date: 03 Dec 05 - 11:21 AM

Those men are indeed evil and i do believe as you say that they have lycanthropic abilities, we should boil them in acid and any remnants of bone that remain should be crushed and powdered then sent into space in a rocket clearly marked PEDO

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 03 Dec 05 - 11:10 AM

just suppose they are werewolves and hair grows over the tattoos saying I am a sex offender. I feel we need to be prepared for these problems and anticipate them.

Great idea, though. Those bastards who don't bring library books back, and what about an I FART IN LIFTS tattoo.

The man who thought this one up is clearly a genius.

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 06:03 PM

ok sorry last attempt http://www.rainews24.rai.it/ran24/inchiesta/video/fallujah_ING.wmv

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 05:35 PM

hMM THE LINK DOESNT WORK ON THIS THREAD, I SUPPOSE THE bUSH BOYS WOULD BLOCK THIS ONE ANYWAY

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 05:30 PM

yes I do because america is sick, theyy create bogeymen then i=gnorethe reality of real 'child abuse like thiFallujah - The Hidden Massacre
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Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 05:15 PM

very sorry to hear abot the carol bruschia case, there are many cases of child murder each week but the predator ones are the ones that the media hideously exploits for profit, here is a video you maynot see in america, it is not for the fainthearted but it might help you get things into perspective Fallujah - The Hidden Massacre

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: M.Ted
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 04:43 PM

If anyone is over-reacting, it is you, GUEST--you're as bad as the people that you complain about.

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 04:22 PM

Oh I see so you would brand the 85% of sex offenders who are the childs parents or siblings? sounds like a double punishment for the child to me, not only has she been indecently assaulted but her dads gotta wander round with a big tattoo on his head,it will make the weekly outing to the burger bar real fun

If a childs father sexually abuses her/him I think he kind of gives up his rights to getting in the nuggets.

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 03:48 PM

Well good luck in your job but as a freethinking individual i feel that I have the right to express an opinion when i can see glaringover reactions to something that is a very tiny minority of all reported crime against children, and an even more miniscule amount of all total recorded crime, BUT IT SELLS, Newspapers . tv documentaries, Tv series, social workers, police funding,call charges from people wishing to find out about local sex offenders and most of all The childrens charities, in my country the myth is beginning to be exposed and lots of false allegations have been coming to light, quite a few cases where men have been locked away for years after being charged with childrens homes abuse where they worked as carers, these false allegations netted in a lot of money in compensation for the 'victims' and of course the solicitors and newspapers had a field day. there is something very odd though about this, and that is that even though these men have been finally proved not guilty of the offences after having their lives ruined, and that it doesnt seem to attract the same media attention that a claim of sexual abuse does and those poor men are left to try and pick up the remnants of a shattered life after years in jail, hey and guess what,,,,,,,,,,,,, the people who made the false claims in the first place and got the compendsation cant be touched, many commit suicide of course after losing their fammily, home and work and it sickens me that this can be allowed to happen in a civilised world...
Only today six people were released after spending a few years in Outreau France,,,, they were vi9ctims of an a so called paedophile ring prosecution, the case when it was tried was absurd but the media carried it through, there were seven originally but one commited suicide in jail.
Now that the satanic abuse and the bogeymman myths are gradually being exposed the childrens charities have found a new banner BULLYING OMG School BULLYING! they got all kinds of hotlines and police reporting systems if u are getting bullied at school,
Until we realise that these so called moral guardians are merely parasites we wont move on

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: M.Ted
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 02:58 PM

And what is my arguement, GUEST 1:45pm? The most extreme abuses, like most extremes of everything, are rarer, but are painfully real--the abduction of Carlie Bruscia and her rape and murder are very real to many Americans, we saw the abduction on television--the more brutal a crime, the wider the circle of people who know of it, and are affected by it.

I guess you could say   50,000 people a year are killed in traffic accidents, and 400,000 die of lung cancer, so why were we so upset about terrorism, when only 2,600 or so Americans were killed on 9/11, and a lot fewer in each of the subsequent years--but it isn't just about numbers--

Personally, I work for a child-abuse prevention organization, I see statistics, studies, and government reports on this every day, and I also see victim's accounts, so this isn't just an excercise in argumentation for me--

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 02:51 PM

Oh I see so you would brand the 85% of sex offenders who are the childs parents or siblings? sounds like a double punishment for the child to me, not only has she been indecently assaulted but her dads gotta wander round with a big tattoo on his head,it will make the weekly outing to the burger bar real fun

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 02:42 PM

Child murders? It is common knowledge that most are commited by family. I am advocating branding child sex offenders. Child murderers I wouldn't release back into society.

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 02:38 PM

guest parent you clearly are ignoring the facts so there is no point in my continuing arguing with you, I dont feel sorry for these people any mmore than i do any other criminal but i refuse to be brainwashed and manipulated in my thinking by commercial interests and government for their own gain. the most startling statistic to mme is the less than 50   stranger child murders each year, outof 300 million that is tiny, esp compared to the 5000 child murders by immediate relatives, someone needs to do a serious expose on this but of course commercial interests will shoutdown any truthseekers, it has remarkable similarities to the pendle witch hunts in england

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST,BTW Mted
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 02:31 PM

Mted you have some curious surfing habits or dubious to say the leastbut your accusation of my getting statistics from that website are totally untrue, i got them from the official Ohio state site statistics here:http://www.drc.state.oh.us/web/Reports/Ten_Year_Recidivism.pdf

Subject: RE: BS: Gary Glitter
From: GUEST,parent
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 02:31 PM

Gullible buffoon? Some folk on this thread have a perverse attitude to protecting minors. At the end of the day as parents we do what we feel is right. My conscience is clear. If adults wish to get their sexual kicks from kids, the kids are entitled to know who they are.

I would allow a released offender who is undergoing counselling to have one letter lasered off as every year of successful therapy and rehab passes. Then again, maybe I wouldn't.