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Subject: Question: The Brothers Four
From: Rabbi-Sol
Date: 24 Nov 05 - 09:36 PM

What were the names of the individual members of the singing group "The Brothers Four" ? Also, were any of them ever members of any other singing groups as well ?

                                           SOL ZELLER


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Subject: RE: Question: The Brothers Four
From: Peace
Date: 24 Nov 05 - 09:47 PM

"Their career began quite innocently. Bob Flick (acoustic bass), John Paine (guitar), Mike Kirkland (guitar & banjo) and Dick Foley (guitar) met at the University of Washington in 1956."

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Subject: RE: Question: The Brothers Four
From: Joe Offer
Date: 24 Nov 05 - 09:55 PM

Hi, Sol - here's a quote from www.allmusic.com:


    One major misconception about the Brothers Four is that they were an attempt to emulate the Kingston Trio. Actually, Bob Flick (upright bass, baritone, bass), John Paine (guitar, baritone), Mike Kirkland (guitar, banjo, tenor), and Dick Foley (guitar, baritone) had met as undergraduates at the University of Washington in 1956 and began singing together in 1957, more than a year before the Kingston Trio made their first record. Folk music was booming at most liberal arts colleges in those days, and every campus seemed to have its share of trios and quartets, mostly drawn from the ranks of their fraternities. Flick, Paine, Kirkland, and Foley were all members of Phi Gamma Delta and aspired to careers in medicine, engineering, and diplomacy -- as amateur performers, however, they were good on their instruments and delighted campus audiences with their ability to harmonize on traditional tunes, novelty songs, and romantic ballads.

    They turned professional completely by accident, as a result of a practical joke. A member of a rival fraternity arranged for a woman to telephone the group members, identifying herself as the secretary to the manager of a local Seattle venue, the Colony Club, and invite the quartet down to audition. When they got there, they discovered that there was no invitation or any audition scheduled, but since they were there anyway, the club manager asked them to do a couple of songs and ended up hiring them. The engagement lasted through most of 1958, and while they were often paid off only in beer, the experience was invaluable in that it allowed the group -- christened after their impromptu audition as the Brothers Four -- to pull its sound together as they never would have if they'd remained confined to occasional performances on campus.


Take a look at the rest of their biograhy at allmusic. It will tell you more than you'd ever want to know.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Question: The Brothers Four
From: Rabbi-Sol
Date: 24 Nov 05 - 10:21 PM

Thank you all very much for the info. I borrowed a CD of theirs from my local public library and the jacket just listed the songs but did not give any biographical information.

                                           SOL ZELLER


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Subject: RE: Question: The Brothers Four
From: GUEST,Tinker in Chicago
Date: 24 Nov 05 - 10:35 PM

Over the years there have been many other Brothers joining the act, notably Terry Lauber and Mark Pearson. Bob Haworth was in one incarnation of the group when he was asked to double as a member of the Kingston Trio due to the unexpected death of Roger Gambill.

There still is a Brothers Four, though I think only one original member is in it. Put the name on Google and you'll be directed to their website.


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Subject: RE: Question: The Brothers Four
From: Gene
Date: 24 Nov 05 - 11:46 PM

my son's wife was a big fan of the Brothers Four some years ago...and as a result of buying lps for her --
I became a big fan also.

--think I have about every LP they recorded.

another group came out of the northwest area (Oregon?)
Dr. Corn's Bluegrass Remedy...

happy pickin' & grinnin' to ya!


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Subject: RE: Question: The Brothers Four
From: Peace
Date: 24 Nov 05 - 11:51 PM

Pic here.


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Subject: RE: Question: The Brothers Four
From: Joe Offer
Date: 25 Nov 05 - 04:22 PM

I suppose you couldn't call this "authentic" folk music, but I liked the Brothers Four and all the other Kingston Trio Clones of the 1960's. Oh, I suppose some of these groups may have started before the Kingston Trio, but it was the success of the Kingston Trio that allowed all these other acts to become popular. Collectors Choice Music has five two-fer CD's available for this group:
  • The Brothers Four (1960) / BMOC (1961)
    1. Zulu Warrior, The
    2. Sama Kama Wacky Brown
    3. Damsel's Lament, The (I Never Will Marry)
    4. Yellow Bird
    5. Angelique-O
    6. Superman
    7. East Virginia
    8. Greenfields
    9. Darlin', Won't You Wait
    10. Eddystone Light
    11. Banua
    12. Hard Travelin'
    13. I Am A Roving Gambler
    14. Well, Well, Well
    15. Sweet Rosyanne
    16. St. James Infirmary
    17. Riders In The Sky
    18. When The Sun Goes Down
    19. Green Leaves Of Summer, The
    20. Pretty Girl Is Like A Little Bird, A
    21. My Little John Henry (Got A Mighty Know)
    22. Beautiful Brown Eyes
    23. Old Settler's Song, The
    24. With You Fair Maid

  • Rally Round/ Roamin With The Brothers Four (can't find a CD list for this one, but here is what I found for the LP's):
      Rally 'Round (1960)
      1. Ellie Lou
      2. The Nine Pound Hammer
      3. My Tani
      4. The Fox
      5. Marianne
      6. Beneath the Willow
      7. The Gallant Argosy
      8. Blue Water Line
      9. Follow the Drinkin' Gourd
      10. The Proposal
      11. Sally, Don't You Grieve
      12. Hey Liley, Liley Lo

      Roamin' (1961)
      1. Low Bridge
      2. Frogg
      3. Pastures Of Plenty
      4. Hey, Hey, My Honey
      5. The Lilies Grow High
      6. Times
      7. Betty and Dupree
      8. The Ballad of Sam Hall
      9. Island Woman
      10. Variation on an Old English Theme
      11. Abilene
      12. This Land Is Your Land

  • The Brothers Four Song Book (1961) / The Big Folk Hits (1963)
    1. Rock Island Line
    2. Goodnight Irene
    3. The Tavern Song
    4. Lady Greensleeves
    5. The Driller's Song
    6. Nobody Knows
    7. Viva la Compagnie
    8. Ole Smokey
    9. Tarrytown
    10. Come for to Carry Me Home
    11. Summer Days Alone
    12. Frogg No. 2
    13. Silver Threads and Golden Needles
    14. 500 Miles
    15. Walk Right In
    16. El Paso
    17. The John B. Sails
    18. If I Had a Hammer
    19. Tie Me Kangaroo Down, Sport
    20. Darling Corey
    21. Scarlet Ribbons (For Her Hair)
    22. Wolverton Mountain
    23. Jamaica Farewell
    24. Michael, Row the Boat Ashore

  • The Brothers Four In Person (1962) / Cross-Country Concert (1963)
    1. The Midnight Special
    2. Darlin' Sportin' Jenny
    3. Whoa Back Buck
    4. The Thinking Man, John Henry
    5. Across the Sea
    6. Variation on an Old English Theme
    7. I Am a Roving Gambler
    8. Run, Come See Jerusalem
    9. First Battalion
    10. Summertime
    11. Greenfields
    12. Rock Island Line
    13. The Song of the Ox Driver
    14. Brandy Wine Blues
    15. Since My Canary Died
    16. Just a Little Rain (Low Down You Big Thunderhead)
    17. Winken, Blinken and Nod
    18. A Symphonic Variation (The Violins Play Along)
    19. Wish I Was in Bowling Green
    20. Brady, Brady, Brady
    21. Island in the Sun
    22. Boa Constrictor
    23. The Beast (Song of the Punch Press Operator)
    24. The New "Frankie & Johnny" Song
    25. 25 Minutes to Go

  • Sing of Our Times (1964) / The Honey Wind Blows (1965)
    1. Long Ago, Far Away
    2. Seven Daffodils
    3. The Monkey and the Engineer
    4. Tomorrow Is a Long Time
    5. Spring Hill Mine Disaster
    6. Dance Me a Jog
    7. Take This Hammer
    8. Four Strong Winds
    9. Beans Taste Fine
    10. Ballad of Moreton Bay
    11. Plane Wreck at Los Gatos (Deportee)
    12. Daddy Roll 'Em
    13. House of the Rising Sun
    14. Somewhere
    15. Lazy Harry's
    16. Poverty Hill
    17. Feed the Birds
    18. Nancy O.
    19. The Honey Wind Blows
    20. Cleano
    21. Turn Around
    22. The Waves Roll Out
    23. Little Play Soldiers
    24. Mr. Tambourine Man
    25. Hootenanny Saturday Night


There's also a Columbia CD called The Brothers Four Greatest Hits
  1. Greenfields
  2. Yellow Bird
  3. Frogg No. 1
  4. I Am a Roving Gambler
  5. Theme from “La Fayette”
  6. Slowly, Slowly [Pleure Mon Amour]
  7. Summer Days Alone
  8. Blue Water Line
  9. Nobody Knows
  10. The Green Leaves of Summer
  11. Eddystone Light
  12. My Tani
  13. Nine Pound Hammer
but I think all the songs are on the Collectors' Choice CD's.

-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Question: The Brothers Four
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Nov 05 - 05:29 PM

I was a huge Kingston Trio fan, but the Brothers Four left me just lukewarm. They just never had either the vibrancy, enthusiasm, or excitement as the KT. Though their harmonies were smooth, there was just no edge to it and they sounded a bit too much like a glee club.

But if the Bro4 still have at least 1 original member today, that is more that I can say about the Kingston Trio, who are now working with two members who were Limeliters replacements.


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Subject: ADD: Little Play Soldiers (Marty Cooper)
From: Barry T
Date: 26 Nov 05 - 12:38 PM

Thanks for the link and the track listings, Joe Offer! Their sales just went up by a couple.

There is a song from 'The Honey Wind Blows' album... 'Little Play Soldiers'... that was relevant when I first heard it, and is even more meaningful to me now. Though I suppose it was conceived as an anti-war song, it doesn't resonate with me for that reason. (I'm a retired career officer)

I have a photo of my son fast asleep in his bed with his toy rifle alongside. Now he's in the British Army carrying a real one, going nasty places, dealing with nasty situations. Two photos side by side... powerful images.

LITTLE PLAY SOLDIERS

Little play soldiers, their games are such fun
Each with his helmet and little toy gun
Pretending they're lying on the battlefield dead
After they're tucked away, safe in their bed.
Little play soldiers if only you knew
What kind of battles are waiting for you.

Quiet! Don't disturb all the innocence of youth
Tell them not to lie, but never tell them the truth
That men will fall and die, while little boys grow
But little play soldiers are too busy to know.
Little play soldiers if only you knew
What kind of battles are waiting for you.

Little white crosses, their rows are so long
How will it end if they don't know it's wrong
For little play soldiers will never know why
We love them and kiss them and send them to die.
Little play soldiers if only you knew
What kind of battles are waiting for you.

I know the Kingston Trio recorded this earlier than the Brothers Four. Can anyone supply the name of the composer? 'Would be nice to include an acknowledgement!
    Hi, Barry - the album says the songwriter is Marty Cooper. See this thread (click) for more information about Cooper and the song.
    -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: Question: The Brothers Four
From: jimmyt
Date: 26 Nov 05 - 03:09 PM

Thanks for the interesting thread and thank you Joe for the great resources about B4 Clooector's Choice collection. Will be getting it ASAP


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Subject: RE: Question: The Brothers Four
From: Joe Offer
Date: 26 Nov 05 - 04:22 PM

This should be a more complete discography of the Brothers Four LP's:


    1970        1970         
    1969        Let's Get Together         
    1967        A New World's Record         
    1966        Merry Christmas [CBS]         
    1966        Beatles' Songbook         
    1965        Try to Remember         
    1965        The Honey Wind Blows         
    1964        More Big Folk Hits         
    1964        By Special Request         
    1964        The Brothers Four Sing of Our Times         
    1963        The Big Folk Hits         
    1963        Cross-Country Concert         
    1962        The Brothers Four in Person         
    1961        The Brothers Four Songbook         
    1961        B.M.O.C. - Best Music On/Off Campus         
    1961        Roamin' with the Brothers Four         
    1960        The Brothers Four         
    1960        Rally 'Round the Brothers Four         
    1960        The Alamo [Original Soundtrack]



source: http://www.mmguide.musicmatch.com/artist/artist.cgi?ARTISTID=332761

Here's one Brothers Four album that hasn't been reissued:

More Big Folk Hits

The Brothers Four

Initial release : 1964

CBS Cl-2213

This release includes a cover of the Eric Andersen song Come To My Bedside My Darlin'.

Tracks

  • Muleskinner
  • Don't Let The Rain Come Down
  • Where Have All The Flowers Gone
  • Puff The Magic Dragon
  • Brother Where Are You
  • The Battle Of New Orleans
  • Banana Boat Song
  • Don't Think Twice, It's Allright
  • I'm Just A Country Boy
  • San Fransisco Bay Blues
  • Come To My Bedside My Darlin'
  • We Shall Overcome
Musicians

  • Bob Flick - bass, vocals
  • Dick Foley - guitar, vocals
  • Mike Kirkland - guitar, banjo, vocals
  • John Paine - guitar, vocals
Related releases

The Brothers Four version of Come To My Bedside My Darlin' was originally released on a single. The single was banned due to the lyrics of the song.


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Subject: RE: Question: The Brothers Four
From: Joe Offer
Date: 26 Nov 05 - 05:17 PM

But that's not all. These albums are from the "easy listening" period of the Brothers Four. Special Request might be worthy of a reissue, but I highly question the value of the rest of them. You can find a full discography with even more exciting information at this site (click).

1964 By Special Request
    A1 Darlin' Corey
    A2 Across The Sea
    A3 Viva La Compagnie
    A4 Take This Hammer
    A5 Nobody Knows
    A6 Wish I Was In Bowling Green
    B1 Brady, Brady, Brady
    B2 The John B. Sails
    B3 The Tavern Song
    B4 Frogg
    B5 Summer Days Alone
    B6 Ole Smokey


1965 Try to Remember
    A1 Try To Remember
    A2 Sloth
    A3 Wild Colonial Boy
    A4 I Remember When I Loved Her
    A5 Sakura
    A6 Come Kiss Me Love
    B1 What Now My Love
    B2 Malaika
    B3 Born Free
    B4 Gimme That Wine
    B5 The Song From Moulin Rouge
    B6 When Ev'rything Was Green



1966 Beatles' Songbook
    1 Norwegian Wood
    2 Yesterday
    3 All My Loving
    4 Nowhere Man
    5 I'll Follow The Sun
    6 And I Love Her
    7 If I Fell
    8 Help
    9 Michelle
    10 We Can Work It Out
    11 Girl


1967 A New World's Record
    A1 Walkin' Backwards Down The Road
    A2 Umbrellas In The Rain
    A3 Shenandoah
    A4 Have You Got A Light Boy
    A5 It Was A Very Good Year
    A6 Meantime
    B1 Here Today And Gone Tomorrow
    B2 No Sad Songs For Me
    B3 Changes
    B4 The First Time Ever
    B5 All I Need Is You



1969 Let's Get Together
    A1 Let's Get Together
    A2 Without Her
    A3 I'll Be Your Baby Tonight
    A4 Both Sides Now
    A5 Wichita Lineman
    A6 Revolution
    B1 The Strangest Dream
    B2 Glad She's A Woman
    B3 Skip A Rope
    B4 Medley:
         - I've Got To Get A Message To You
         - Words
         - I Started A Joke
    B5 Abraham, Martin And John
    B6 Let's Get Together (reprise)


The Brothers Four – 1970
    A1 Going Back To Big Sur
    A2 Here I Go Again
    A3 The Hippopotamus
    A4 Affair On Eight Avenue
    A5 November Snow
    B1 Darlin' Be Home Soon
    B2 Love Of The Common People
    B3 I Will Be There
    B4 Reason To Believe
    B5 Glory Road
    B6 Hey, That's No Way To Say Goodbye



The Brothers Four - Four Strong Winds (date unknown)
    A1 Long Ago, Far Away
    A2 Seven Daffodils
    A3 The Monkey And The Engineer
    A4 Tomorrow Is A Long Time
    A5 Dance Me A Jig
    B1 Take This Hammer
    B2 Four Strong Winds
    B3 Beans Taste Fine
    B4 Ballad Of Moretown Bay



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Subject: RE: Question: The Brothers Four
From: Acme
Date: 26 Nov 05 - 11:07 PM

Was there supposed to be a link in that last post, Joe?

This takes me back to my childhood in Seattle. I think I have some of those earliest albums from my Dad's collection.

SRS
    Yes, but links don't work if you transpose letters and put <a rhef=www.suchandsuch.org>click</a>
    It's fixed now, though. Thanks.
    -Joe-


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Subject: RE: Question: The Brothers Four
From: GUEST,Bruce14
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 09:30 AM

I cannot find ANY information as to "where are they now?" regarding the original four, except I know Bob Flick married Loni Anderson of WKRP in Cincinnati and is still in the band.

But what about Mssrs. Foley, Payne, and especially Mike Kirkland?


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Subject: RE: Question: The Brothers Four
From: Deckman
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 10:44 AM

Hmmmm? (second time I've tried to post???)

I attended their concert about two years ago in Seattle. They were great ... harmonies as tight as ever. Bob(deckman)Nelson


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Subject: RE: Question: The Brothers Four
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 11:15 AM

Over the years, I've seen a number of performers and groups who I had once seen in their original incarnations. Some get better over the years, simply from acquiring more stage presence and musicianship. Some soldier on, moving down from television and big stages to Las Vegas and Reno and then to county fairs and casino showrooms. Some morph into entirely different entities, with new members and different sounds. The "nostalgia market" keeps them going.

Bob Shane, a founding member of the Kingston Trio, was once asked why he continued to perform after so many years. He answered, "Why not? It's a nice middle class income and I'm doing something I like." If that wasn't the exact quote, it was close. I was OK with it.

On the whole, though, I would rather remember them as they once were, when they were at their peak, with original people, and when they first captured my attention. I would not pay to go and see a group advertised as "The Kingston Trio" or "The Limeliters" which was made up of entirely different people, but many apparently are willing to do just that. I saw Frank Sinatra when he was so old he had trouble singing from a giant teleprompter. It was sad.


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Subject: RE: Question: The Brothers Four
From: Arkie
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 11:25 AM

While I did not buy any of the Brothers albums I did enjoy the music of the original group and had a chance to see them live at a Duke concert in the early 60s. It was an excellent concert and one I still remember fondly from time to time.


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Subject: RE: Question: The Brothers Four
From: SINSULL
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 11:26 AM

I saw them in concert sometime in the early 60s. Somewhere I have some old vinyls worn almost to death. "Tracks" for sure.
Wasn't Brother Where Are You combined with Rally 'Round The Flag? Vague memory.


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Subject: RE: Question: The Brothers Four
From: SINSULL
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 11:27 AM

nevermind...
It was Summer Of His Years and Rally 'Round the Flag.
SINS


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Subject: RE: Question: The Brothers Four
From: GUEST,TJ in San Diego
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 11:30 AM

"Greenfields" was their first big hit single. The inclusion of their music in John Wayne's bloated "The Alamo" pushed them to the forefront.


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Subject: RE: Question: The Brothers Four
From: pdq
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 11:37 AM

...they say the memory is the first thing to go, but I can't remember who said it...

" Summer Of His Years and Rally 'Round the Flag" ~ Chad Mitchell Trio, just after Kennedy was killed

"Green Leaves of Summer" ~ from John Wayne movie


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Subject: RE: Question: The Brothers Four
From: Reiver 2
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 04:16 PM

The Brothers Four were one of the great groups to emerge during the 'folk music revival' of the 1960's, IMHO. A worthy companion of the Kingston Trio; Chad Mitchell Trio; Limelighters; Peter,Paul and Mary; New Christy Minstrels, to name a few and not to mention a host of great individual folk singers. I still have 3 'Brothers Four' albums on old 33 1/3 records: 'In Person,' 'Greatest Hits,' and 'More Big Folk Hits.' Since the mid-1970 my interest has been almost completely focused on Celtic [Irish and Scottish] music, but I still occasionally enjoy listening to some of the old 'folk' performers. What passes today for 'popular music' does nothing for me and noise like 'hip-hop'and 'rap' hardly merit being referred to as music [IMHO, of course!]

Reiver 2


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Subject: RE: Question: The Brothers Four
From: PoppaGator
Date: 11 Jun 10 - 05:58 PM

The Brothers Four, incidentally, were among the half-dozen or so folk-revival acts in the amusingly horrendous early-60s exploitation film "Hootenanny Hoot."

The film is mentioned in an old thread, currently refreshed, about Sheb Wooley and Shep Wooley. Sheb ~ the American actor and singer ~ appeared in the film and also, I believe, wrote the theme song.

Here's a link to the IMDB page on this movie:

"Hootenanny Hoot"

IMDB provides not only the cast, but also a complete roster of the musical acts. My favorite performance in the film, by the way, is a short set by the largely-forgotten Joe and Eddie.


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