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Obit: The sad passing of Common Sense

GUEST,Guest from Sanity 16 Sep 13 - 03:58 PM
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GUEST,Musket curious 15 Sep 13 - 05:32 AM
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GUEST,Musket musing 15 Sep 13 - 02:59 AM
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Subject: RE: Obit: The sad passing of Common Sense
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Sep 13 - 03:58 PM

Ho hum...or is that, Common concept is fictional Sense...or something like that!

GfS


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Subject: RE: Obit: The sad passing of Common Sense
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 16 Sep 13 - 03:16 PM

Ho hum. Common Sense is a fictional concept.


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Subject: RE: Obit: The sad passing of Common Sense
From: The Sandman
Date: 16 Sep 13 - 01:25 PM

"Nonsense is so good only because common sense is so limited"


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Subject: RE: Obit: The sad passing of Common Sense
From: GUEST,Ed T
Date: 16 Sep 13 - 08:24 AM

Opps, common sense says the last post was me-


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Subject: RE: Obit: The sad passing of Common Sense
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Sep 13 - 08:21 AM

Because you can't argue with all the fools in the world. It's easier to let them have their way, then trick them when they're not paying attention."
― Christopher Paolini


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Subject: RE: Obit: The sad passing of Common Sense
From: GUEST,Musket between courses
Date: 16 Sep 13 - 04:46 AM

The good professor has more common sense than you and I put together, don't you boy?

Woof! Grrrr. Woof!

Evolution and common sense go hand in hand. He has a shit. I put it in a bag and carry it for him.

You know Goofus, you and I may be banging the wrong rocks together after all.


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Subject: RE: Obit: The sad passing of Common Sense
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 16 Sep 13 - 03:47 AM

Muskrat: "Common sense? Dunno. Never had any myself."

I'll remind you at the proper time!

GfS


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Subject: RE: Obit: The sad passing of Common Sense
From: GUEST,Musket evolving slowly
Date: 16 Sep 13 - 01:26 AM

Ah but Goofus. We don't need burnt out hippies to provide the thesis or antithesis of common sense. You provide one of them rather adequately.

Do you know? It was only the other year that I realised what Loving Spoonful meant? 10cc for that matter.

By the time I was playing, innuendo was out of the window. I was guitarist in Masturbating Malcolm and the Arse hole Lubricators. Funnily enough, some swine remember me more for that teenage fun than any of my serious shit later.

Common sense? Dunno. Never had any myself.


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Subject: RE: Obit: The sad passing of Common Sense
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 15 Sep 13 - 11:50 PM

Muskrat, sans tail: " My father in law and myself being the example I gave."

Cheers!

GfS


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Subject: RE: Obit: The sad passing of Common Sense
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Sep 13 - 09:50 PM

"it is difficult to have a thread about common sense because we all think we have it."

Dead right, Musket! That's what makes all these debates so funny.


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Subject: RE: Obit: The sad passing of Common Sense
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Sep 13 - 05:52 AM

I think the OP list of common sense values was expressed far more succinctly here - make of it what you will!
Jim Carroll
www.margaretthatcher.org/document/105087‎


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Subject: RE: Obit: The sad passing of Common Sense
From: GUEST,Musket curious
Date: 15 Sep 13 - 05:32 AM

Correct. Except common sense is relative as I said.

My father in law and myself being the example I gave.   He thinks I spend money unnecessarily and I think he does. We would both use the term common sense to bolster our position.

I also said age is important. I can't tell someone of his advancing years that a large car uses far less fuel than his small one, neither that we paid similar amounts for our cars or that being more tree huggingly planet friendly, mine is far cheaper to tax and insure, let alone using half the fuel. Neither that my ipad cost to the penny the same as the Dell desktop he asked us to get on his behalf. We tried explaining that he can do what he wishes far easier and from the comfort of his lounge rather than heat up the spare bedroom for two hours. ..

But. He feels he exercises common sense. I feel I do. We are both right in our own estimation.



But my bank balance at the end of the month will bear me out. . Why? Because a) it does and b) it is difficult to have a thread about common sense because we all think we have it. The thread becomes a list of things people agree with if you are not careful...


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Subject: RE: Obit: The sad passing of Common Sense
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 15 Sep 13 - 04:21 AM

I guess GUEST Musket musing... that it is 'common sense' for your father in law and many others in his position... that's how I see common sense.... It is common sense not to overstretch your budget..... not to walk in front of a bus or drive on the wrong side of the road... common sense for many if not all people..... or all who are in a similar position.


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Subject: RE: Obit: The sad passing of Common Sense
From: GUEST,Musket musing
Date: 15 Sep 13 - 02:59 AM

Common sense is a subjective problem. It describes your own take on things in a way that makes it appear better than others.

Methinks most people are talking efficient sense rather than common sense, which is as Good Soldier Schweik points out, never common. It can't be because it describes your own view.

Seeing less common sense applied around you is no more than accepting you are getting old. Buying an iPad made common sense to me whilst my father in law saves his money by heating a spare bedroom and having a desk with an old PC firing up slowly and him spending a couple of hours just to do his emails. That's common sense to him, same as having a car that is small to save money whilst questioning my big car on cost grounds. Mine doing 55mpg, his doing 30mpg, mine having lower car tax and insurance, but because his is small, it is common sense and saves him money whilst I must be throwing money away eh?

Common sense is about the most subjective phrase I can think of.

(Mind you, that's the car I collect next week. The 4x4 I have right now is a thirsty bugger....)


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Subject: RE: Obit: The sad passing of Common Sense
From: The Sandman
Date: 14 Sep 13 - 07:45 PM

common sense, was never common


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Subject: RE: Obit: The sad passing of Common Sense
From: Bobert
Date: 14 Sep 13 - 07:29 PM

Common sense is acquired from mixing it up and living life... Yes, it is sad that kids today are so over-protected that they aren't going to have a chance of achieving common sense...

Most of us came up when our parents told us repeatedly to "beat it" which meant stay the heck away from them... No problem...

But, hey, there are folks who should have gone thru that who didn't and ain't got a lick of common sense... To protected for their own good...

B~


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Subject: RE: Obit: The sad passing of Common Sense
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Sep 13 - 07:08 PM

Don, Forget what the politicians SAY...pay attention to what they DO. The two parties just take turns!

GfS


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Subject: RE: Obit: The sad passing of Common Sense
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 14 Sep 13 - 05:44 PM

""Knowing why the early bird gets the worm; life isn't always fair; and maybe it was my fault. Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don't spend more than you can earn)""

Almost exactly what Maggie Thatcher told the nation shortly after winning the election.

And the icing on the cake is seeing dear old hard line lefty Akenaton saying:

""Subject: RE: Obit: Common Sense
From: akenaton - PM
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 03:52 AM

A bit simplistic, but basically true.......but how the hell are we going to get it through to our "liberals"?
""

Proving that he had no idea vwhat a liberal is, then, or four years on today!

Don T


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Subject: RE: Obit: The sad passing of Common Sense
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Sep 13 - 11:17 AM

You brought it up!

GfS


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Subject: RE: Obit: The sad passing of Common Sense
From: GUEST,Musket evolving slowly
Date: 14 Sep 13 - 02:27 AM

You notice a thread about the passing of common sense and wonder "I bet I know who will be bowling a yorker? "

Hi Goofus!


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Subject: RE: Obit: The sad passing of Common Sense
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Sep 13 - 02:18 AM

Oh...and here's a novel idea, with 'common sense'....listen to it....it's less harmful than another stupid, deceiving speech from a corrupt inapt politician!!!

It'll do ya' some good!


GfS


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Subject: RE: Obit: The sad passing of Common Sense
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 14 Sep 13 - 02:04 AM

Bobert: "Perfect example of the death of common sense is a posting of a 2 hour long you-tube..."

Yeah!..who in their right 'common sense' mind would ever think of posting a 2 hour(and six minute) piece of wonderful music, on a musician's forum????

Just kind of shows you what politics will do!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: Obit: The sad passing of Common Sense
From: number 6
Date: 14 Sep 13 - 12:40 AM

common sense is just a myth.

It is pretty well a proven fact that humans don't have the capability to practice common sense.

If we had any sense at all we wouldn't be participating in any of these mindless, moronic threads here in the Madcat.

biLL


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Subject: RE: Obit: The sad passing of Common Sense
From: Bill D
Date: 13 Sep 13 - 08:21 PM

???? Deja vu repeating itself ....all over again...

**WHY**, Georgiansilver?


I missed this thread the first couple of times, as it was 'born' when I was lost in craft shows. It is a surreal experience reading it from the top as the supposed topic morphs into conceptual avenues that boggle the jaded mind of even a hardened Mudcat reader.




..and it's weird, too..


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Subject: RE: Obit: The sad passing of Common Sense
From: Bobert
Date: 13 Sep 13 - 08:19 PM

Perfect example of the death of common sense is a posting of a 2 hour long you-tube...

B;~)


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Subject: RE: Obit: The sad passing of Common Sense
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 13 Sep 13 - 08:03 PM

Common sense???? It's in the music!

gfS


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Subject: RE: Obit: The sad passing of Common Sense
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Sep 13 - 04:32 PM

Quite so! To be free, question everything.


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Subject: RE: Obit: The sad passing of Common Sense
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 13 Sep 13 - 03:53 PM

He has many lookalikes though, very much alive. "It's all the Jews' fault", "Charity begins at home", "If a woman wears sexy clothes, it is her own fault...", "We won the war so we're right", "To fight the enemies of freedom effectively, we must control the world", etc. If the real one is dead, the false ones should be easier to unmask, who are typically highly honoured members of various political parties, religious and non-religious congregations.


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Subject: RE: Obit: The sad passing of Common Sense
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Sep 13 - 02:53 PM

People were already complaining about the passing of common sense way back when Moses was negotiating with the Pharaoh...if not long before that.


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Subject: BS: Obit.. Common Sense!
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 13 Sep 13 - 02:09 PM

Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend, Common Sense, who has been with us for many years. No one knows for sure how old he was, since his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape.

He will be remembered as having cultivated such valuable lessons as knowing when to come in out of the rain, why the early bird gets the worm, life isn't always fair, and maybe it was my fault. Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don't spend more than you earn) and reliable parenting (adults, not children, are in charge). His health began to deteriorate rapidly when well-intentioned, but overbearing, regulations were set in place.

Reports of a six-year-old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate, teenagers suspended from school for using mouthwash after lunch and a teacher fired for reprimanding an unruly student, only worsened his condition. Common Sense lost ground when parents attacked teachers for doing the job they had themselves failed to do in disciplining their unruly children. It declined even further when schools were required to get parental consent to administer paracetamol, sun lotion or plaster to a pupil, but could not inform the parents when a pupil became pregnant and wanted to have an abortion.

Common Sense lost the will to live as the Ten Commandments became contraband, churches became businesses and criminals received better treatment than their victims. Common Sense took a beating when you couldn't defend yourself from a burglar in your own home, but the burglar could sue you for assault because you protected yourself and your own.

Common Sense finally gave up the will to live after a woman failed to realise that a steaming cup of coffee was hot. She spilled a little in her lap and was promptly awarded a huge settlement.

Common Sense was preceded in death by his parents, Truth and Trust, his wife, Discretion, his daughter, Responsibility and his son, Reason. He is survived by three stepbrothers; I Know My Rights, Someone Else is to Blame, and I'm A Victim. Not many attended his funeral because so few realised that he was gone.

If you still remember him, pass this on. If not, join the majority and do nothing.


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Subject: RE: Obit: The sad passing of Common Sense
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 10:48 AM

It's no use, Lizzie, I have too much to cover!


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Subject: RE: Obit: The sad passing of Common Sense
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 10:28 AM

Littlel Hawk..all you gotta do is..follow this T shirt


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Subject: RE: Obit: The sad passing of Common Sense
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 10:21 AM

I'd like to meet someone who is gruntled for a change... ;-)


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Subject: RE: Obit: The sad passing of Common Sense
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 10:00 AM

Blimey, I hadn't realised I was in the same company as George with the 'Common Sense' words above.

You'd better take cover, George, and fast!   LOLOL :0)


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Subject: RE: Obit: The sad passing of Common Sense
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 09:35 AM

Excellent! I do hope that the younger Celts of his time were duly impressed and mended their errant ways after reading that.


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Subject: RE: Obit: The sad passing of Common Sense
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 09:27 AM

I found the original posting, by a disgruntled Celt hunter who felt that using anything other than stone axes was unnecessarily complex and expensive, and a potential threat to the environment. Here's an extract:
ÉÖ ÕÏÈ ØÁÍ ÑÅÁÄ ÔÇÉÓ, ÕÏÈ ÁÑÅ Á ÂÅÔÔÅÑ ÌÁÍ ÔÇÁÍ ÌÕÓÅËÖ


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Subject: RE: Obit: The sad passing of Common Sense
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 09:22 AM

Hell no, Jeri. The first posting of it was in 353,000 B.C. ;-)


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Subject: RE: Obit: The sad passing of Common Sense
From: Jeri
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 09:18 AM

Apparently, the first posting of this was by Dave the Ancient Mariner in May of 2001.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Common Sense
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 08:34 AM

(The older generation of) people have been moaning about the "death of common sense" ever since the Neanderthals and Cro-Magnons. They wrote similar heated complaints about the rise of "his 4 stepbrothers; I Know My Rights, I Want It Now, Someone
Else Is To Blame, and I'm A Victim" on the walls of ancient Egypt, Assyria, Greece, China, Constantinople, Tenochtitlan, and Rome.

It's a frustrated rant that is as old as humanity themselves and it expresses the angst, frustration, and often ill-concealed bitterness of people whose days of youth and adventure are in most cases behind them, and who are constantly irritated by the fact that things just "aren't what they used to be". Things have never have been what they used to be, and they never will. ;-) That's life.

But ..."Oh, God, it's such a drag! The world is so fucked up now, and no one takes responsibility! Oh dear. If I only had a rocket launcher, I'd make them take responsibility, damn right I would. Grrr!" (the sound of teeth grinding)

You never hear whiny self-righteous reactionary crap like that from the young people, because they suffer from a very different form of angst, the angst of the young, hungry, often insecure and impatient...so from them you instead hear a load of whiny crap about how the old people (their parents) fucked the whole world up so badly that now a young person has 8 strikes against him and it's all going to hell.

Now here's the ironical part of it all. On the one hand, they are both about half right (and always haved been). That's because common sense is always imperilled, in any human culture, at any time, because people have a weird way of doing things that are nonsensical. They always have done so. They always will. Sometimes it's because of politics, sometimes religion, sometimes sex, sometimes money, sometimes just plain goofy ideas and archaic customs that are taken as gospel, but you can count on it that common sense will take a beating in any society at any time.

And on the other hand, they're both half bloody well wrong too. Why? Because they've both got a bad whiny flipping attitude about it, they're puffed up with righteous fury about it (as if they could see through it all, but the "society" around them can't), and they think it's all the fault of "those damn people", whoever "those damn people" are (liberals? conservatives? businessmen? lawyers? politicians? men? women? kids? old people? football fans? hairstylists? the poor? the rich? the middle class?), and they won't shut up about it and find a way to enjoy their lives instead and stop blaming others for everything. Nope. They'll just whine and rant and carp and complain about how bad everything has gone.

I predict to you that this ancient announcement of the demise of common sense will be repeated frequently in the years to come, and again in the next century, and again a thousand years hence, so when you reincarnate, expect to see it again soon. You may even be the one who posts it the next time. ;-) You may also be the one who objects to it because it's a tired old rant that's been heard too many times already....that's what I have chosen to do this time.   

Either way, you'll get to bitch some more about the people who bug you and you'll have some more fun expressing yourself and airing your frustrations for all to hear. That's the up side. The downside is...it will just plain piss off the various people who instinctively decide to swing the other way on it.

Kind of like politics that way...


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Subject: RE: Obit: Common Sense
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 08:31 AM

But there's value in rants, Bobert... It's the soul's equivalent to taking an old car down the open road and gunning it just to clear the tubes. Runs much better after that.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Common Sense
From: Bobert
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 08:00 AM

Silly little rant where anyone can pick out his or ger pet peeves and slide them in...

Tho I agree with some of them, I don't agree with all of them...

B~


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Subject: RE: Obit: Common Sense
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 06:22 AM

There's nothing wrong with taking some responsibility for our actions, in fact will never get a proper and fair society until we do.
Its the mindset instilled in us all by Capitalism thats the basis of our problems and continuing the war between the two "isms" will never lead anywhere.
Forget the old wars we should all use our brains and root out the causes.....Ake


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Subject: RE: Obit: Common Sense
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 06:10 AM

Funny thing about "liberals"....they always see an opposing point of view as "filth".......anyone who holds or supports an opposing point of view is said to be "spewing" or "vomiting" filth.

After that they start on the personal insults!

Now I suppose I'm an "extremist" politically; and starting to move in that direction socially, but would never dismiss other opinions in that sort of language.......how come???

Sanity my friend, I play guitar, not very well I'm afraid, but I still love it!......and you?


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Subject: RE: Obit: Common Sense
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 05:49 AM

" it turned into the usual 'Daily Mail' hurling insults from a particular poster."


it was in reaction to the usual Daily Mail-screeching politics from a particular poster. Which didn't surprise me at all.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Common Sense
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 05:18 AM

"Wasn't this thing posted on here about a month ago?"

Yes, by me..and it turned into the usual 'Daily Mail' hurling insults from a particular poster. Kind of stunned me somewhat.

Previous 'common sense' thread
   

I think, and still do, that it's an excellent piece...but then, you know me..'thick as a brick' an' all, apparently, so what the heck do I know. ;0)

I tell you what, I know Common Sense when I see it, just as I know a Lack of Common Sense when I see it, and sadly, I see far more of the latter these days.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Common Sense
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 04:42 AM

Yes, meself - and it was just as tedious, ill-informed and reactionary then as it is now.


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Subject: RE: Obit: Common Sense
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 04:16 AM

Hey Ake, how ya' doin'? It got a bit heated over in the other thread...sorry to see it go that way, ...anyway, what do you play?


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Subject: RE: Obit: Common Sense
From: akenaton
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 03:52 AM

A bit simplistic, but basically true.......but how the hell are we going to get it through to our "liberals"?


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Subject: RE: Obit: Common Sense
From: meself
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 02:55 AM

Wasn't this thing posted on here about a month ago?


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Subject: RE: Obit: Common Sense
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 15 Jan 09 - 02:43 AM

BRAVO!!!!!!!!!! STANDING OVATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1


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