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Lyr Req: By the Lochside + Lochanside

akenaton 26 Nov 05 - 06:14 PM
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Subject: Lyr Req: Lochanside
From: akenaton
Date: 26 Nov 05 - 06:14 PM

The Stornaway thread reminded me of another popular song of that time.

To the tune of "Lochanside" by Pipe Major McLennan of Dunoon.

Something like...

"By the lochside I met a maiden ,
and my heart longed to call her mine.

She was fairer than words can say now,
when she smiled all the world was gay now
But like springtime she could not stay now
and my heart longed to call her mine.

I would wait a thousand years now,
I would shed a thousand tears now ,
No more sadness and no more fears now
Since my lass let me call her mine

Jim'll fix it....Ake


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lochanside
From: Joe Offer
Date: 26 Nov 05 - 06:19 PM

Isn't it nice to have Jim around?
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lochanside
From: akenaton
Date: 26 Nov 05 - 06:37 PM

....And Joe!!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lochanside
From: Little Robyn
Date: 26 Nov 05 - 06:48 PM

I believe the song is called 'By the Lochside' and sung to the tune Lochanside. The Tartan Clansmen in Palmerston North, NZ, used to sing it.
Robyn


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lochanside
From: akenaton
Date: 26 Nov 05 - 06:59 PM

Your right about the song title Robyn.

I think it was sung by either Andy Stewart or Callum Kennedy In Scotland.
I would like the full words, when they were written and by whom.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lochanside
From: Little Robyn
Date: 27 Nov 05 - 01:30 AM

I found it - at least a little bit. Maybe you can find the rest from here -
Andy Stewart
Robyn


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Subject: Lyr Add: BY THE LOCHSIDE (Andy Stewart)
From: GUEST,Boab
Date: 27 Nov 05 - 03:26 AM

BY THE LOCHSIDE
As recorded by Andy Stewart

1. In the spring when the world was young, then,
And the sweet songs of youth were sung, then,
By the lochside I met a maiden
And my heart longed to call her mine.
She was fairer than words can say, man,
And her smile made the world gay, man,
But like spring time she would not stay, man,
Though my heart longed to call her mine.

CHORUS: But I would wait a thousand years, now,
I would shed a thousand tears, now,
No more sadness and no more fears, now,
If the lass let me call her mine.

2. Summer came, with her million flowers,
Summer time that was made for lovers,
Hand in hand strolling through her bowers;
But my love would not walk with me.
Warm the day when the sun is shining,
Warm the love when in love reclining.
Cold the heart that for love is pining,
Cold the love that can never be. CHORUS

3. Summer's gone and the winter's cold now,
With his grey hand has laid his hold now,
And the story of love is told now,
But the story can never end.
By the lochside a bird is singing,
Sad the song from his heart is wringing.
Now he leaves and is swiftly winging,
Leaving me waiting here alone. CHORUS

The third verse is usually sung almost as a lament. The first two verses are normally in "march time".


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lochanside
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Nov 05 - 04:42 AM

Thanks Robyn and Boab, thats it.

I had forgotten the last couple of verses tho' we sang them a thousand times...athousand years ago.

Isn't it a great song......Isn't love terrible...Ake


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lochanside
From: GUEST,Jack Campin
Date: 27 Nov 05 - 07:13 PM

You are mixing up your pipe tune composers.

Lochanside is by G.S. McLennan, who was from Edinburgh.

John McLellan (composer of the multi-titled tune that became The Road to the Isles) was from Dunoon.

Isn't there another set of words? I heard Jim Malcolm sing something to that tune a few years ago and I remember his version explicitly using the phrase "lochan side". (I didn't like it very much).


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lochanside
From: michaelr
Date: 27 Nov 05 - 09:50 PM

It appears Jim Malcolm has thought better of singing whatever words to this majestic tune (I don't like the ones given above very much!)

The Old Blind Dogs' recordings of the song (on "The Gab o' Mey" and their most recent, "Play Live",) they do it as an instrumental. Good choice, methinks. They credit J. McLellan as composer.

Cheers,
Michael


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lochanside
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Nov 05 - 02:11 PM

Thanks Michael...

This great tune was written by P/M John Maclennan of Dunoon.

I live only a few miles from the town...a strong piping area.

A few hundred yards from the town boundary, on the road north; lies a small fresh water loch, known locally as "The Lochan". The road runs just along its shores and I always imagine the pipe major meeting his love there and writing this tune to her memory...Ake


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lochanside
From: Gallus Moll
Date: 28 Sep 17 - 07:53 PM

PM John (Jock) McLellan was from Dunoon, composed many tunes including Lochanside (I believe about the loch beside the High Road to Sandbank). John McLellan also wrote songs and poems, he composed words to go with the Lochanside tune.
And he played piano, fiddle as well as pipes. And was an artist, he painted - -- multi talented.
He fought in both the Boer War and WWI (as the titles of a number of his compositions will illustrate)

PM J A Maclellan was based in Edinburgh castle a bit later than John Mclellan, taught piping - think he also composed.

and I think GS Mc or MacLennan is a different person - -- -


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lochanside
From: Jack Campin
Date: 28 Sep 17 - 08:02 PM

You're right, I was havering thinking GS MacLennan wrote it.

Do you have John MacLellan of Dunoon's words?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lochanside
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Sep 17 - 01:37 AM

I think you'll find Andy Stewart wrote the words to Lochanside, 'By the Lochside'. The loch in question is Loch Loskin.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lochanside
From: akenaton
Date: 29 Sep 17 - 03:43 AM

Hi Gallus, I didn't realise Mr MacLellan had written words to the "Lochanside" tune.
Are they available anywhere?
Andy Stewart's version was really popular back in the early sixties by us "hippy teuchters".....we seemed to travel everywhere by bus and someone would always strike up...."Oh by the lochside",before long the bus would be rocking. :0)
Then the folk clubs came along and Andy became passé....bit of a shame really as "music hall" has a big place in the hearts of the Scottish folk.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lochanside
From: akenaton
Date: 29 Sep 17 - 03:51 AM

Just as an after thought, one of my friends at the time who had the brilliant name of Joe Hollywood, sang that song and knew all the words.   Lost touch with Joe shortly after that and haven't seen him since, but often think back to these carefree times.


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Subject: Lyr Add: LOCHANSIDE (Jim Malcolm)
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 29 Sep 17 - 12:39 PM

Well, maybe Jack doesn't like them much, but here are Jim Malcolm's words to the Lochanside tune fwiw. I don't dislike them, but probably just prefer to play the tune.
The tune has 3 sections and Jim sings his song as follows:
AA BB C AA BB CC (where A, B and C refer to sections, not keys!!)


LOCHANSIDE                                Lyrics: Jim Malcolm
Pipe Tune Lochanside by PM J McLellan of Dunoon

Come the winter, cold and dreary
Brings the hawk doon frae the high scree
Tae the whins where snowy hares hide
All aroun the Lochanside
Come the spring, the land lies weary
Till the sun shines out sae cheery,
Brings the bloom, for all of June's pride
All aroun the Lochanside.

If you'd been you'd have seen the scatter
O' the peezies o¹er the machair,
When above the tawny owl glides
All around the Lochanside.
And the heron he comes a-creeping
Through the rashes so green and dreeping
Tae the pool where wily trout slide
All around the Lochanside.

Aye if you ever hae a reason
Tae be here in ony season
Come and try the barley bree in
Round the fire on Lochanside.

Summer time the fish are louping,
Dippers in the burnies couping,
Swallows fly from dawn til even-tide
All around the Lochanside.
By the autumn, the pinks are winging
Blaeberries o'er the moors are hinging
Salmon through the surging spate fight
All around the Lochanside.

If ye'd been ye'd have seen the scatter
O the peezies o'er the machair,
When above the tawny owl glides
All around the Lochanside.
And the heron he comes a-creeping
Through the rashes so green and dreeping
Tae the pool where wily trout slide
All around the Lochanside.

Aye if you ever hae a reason,
Tae be here in ony season,
Come and try the barley bree in
Round the fire on Lochanside
Aye if you ever hae a notion
Tae be welcomed with devotion
Travel home o'er any ocean
Tae be here on Lochanside.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lochanside
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 29 Sep 17 - 12:58 PM

Tich Frier does my favourite version of this song.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4H5BiRuxRU


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lochanside
From: Gallus Moll
Date: 29 Sep 17 - 07:16 PM

I am sure I have Jock McLellan's words somewhere- - - failing which perhaps Jim Henderson will be able to point us in the correct direction.
yes, the loch is Loch Loskin but I am certain Jock Mclellan wrote his own words- - doesn't mean to say Andy Stewart (or whoever wrote for him) didn't compose another set -- and as for Jim Malcolm's -- nothing wrong with then 'cept we don't have any machair in this part of Argyll!
Nag me in a week or so -- have to search through the chaos that is my (not) filing system!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lochanside
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 29 Sep 17 - 08:04 PM

Thanks GM: it would be nice to hear the original words if your filing system can stand it!
And dare I mention that there is yet another set of words to this tune, written by Carole Prior: a humorous look at what constitutes the Scottish diet with the "strapline" - "The Nation that was built on OATS!"


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lochanside
From: Jack Campin
Date: 30 Sep 17 - 05:00 AM

Jim's words (at least the nature imagery bits) look much better in print than they did when I heard him singing them. Thanks, Tattie Bogle.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lochanside
From: akenaton
Date: 30 Sep 17 - 11:33 AM

I prefer Andy's version. Although is could be described as "kitsch" or Scottish music hall, there is a melancholy side to the great pipe tune which conjures up memories of love found and lost. Loch Loskin is a wonderful setting for such a scenario.

Jim Malcolm's words are more passé the bracken bens, the loupin" salmon, the long gone peesies, and the auld barley bree...of course

A world out of the "dreamtime"


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lochanside
From: akenaton
Date: 30 Sep 17 - 12:20 PM

The Lochan around the time of Pipe Major MacLennan.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Lochanside
From: Joe Offer
Date: 01 Oct 17 - 11:11 PM

A number of us Northern California folkies have become avid fans and friends of Jim Malcolm and his wonderful wife Susie, and we've taken two of their tours of Scotland and hope they'll develop a third.

I hate to says this, but like Jack, I'm not always thrilled with Jim's songs, although I think Jim does a better job of traditional songs than he does his own. Still, he's a wonderful and engaging entertainer and I always enjoy his concerts thoroughly. But I much prefer the singing of Jim's half-brother, Scott Gardiner.

Here's a live Jim Malcolm performance of "Lochanside" by Jim Malcolm:

Here's a more traditional performance:


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: By the Lochside + Lochanside
From: Gallus Moll
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 07:12 PM

I don't know for sure whose words these are! I found them amongst some typed out ones I was given years ago- - - with the bracketed ? as to composer!) I will eventually find what I am seeking , somewhere in this house- - I am sure there is a page with music and song words.
I also hope to be speaking to Jim Henderson again so will ask him for correct information.

- meantime I am looking for the words and music of 'Bonnie Dunoon' which John McLellan composed as a fundraiser for the community / war effort (?) either during WW2 or shortly after; I kow I have the original printed music and words in the house - - all I have to do is find out where they are hiding!


By The Lochside   (?Andy Stewart words?)

In the spring when the world was young, then,
And the sweet songs of youth were sung, then
By the lochside I met a maiden,
And my heart longed to call her mine.

She was fairer than words can say, man,
And her smile made the world gay, man,
But like springtime, she would not stay, man,
Though my heart longed to call her mine.

But I would wait a thousand years, now,
I would shed a thousand tears, now,
No more sadness and no more fears, now,
If the lass lets me call her mine.

Summer came with her million flowers,
Summer time that was made for lovers,
Hand-in-hand, strolling through her bowers,
But my love would not walk with me.

Warm the day when the sun is shining,
Warm the love when in love reclining,
Cold the heart that for love is pining,
Cold the love that can never be.

But I would wait a thousand years, now,
I would shed a thousand tears, now,
No more sadness and no more fears, now
If the lass lets me call her mine.

Summer's gone and the Winter's cold, now,
With his grey hand has laid his hold now,
And the story of love is told, now,
But the story can never end.

By the lochside a bird is singing,
Sad the song from his heart is ringing,
Now he leaves and is swiftly winging,
Leaving me waiting here alone.

But I would wait a thousand years, now,
I would shed a thousand tears, now,
No more sadness and no more fears, now
If the lass lets me call her mine.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: By the Lochside + Lochanside
From: Jack Campin
Date: 13 Oct 17 - 07:29 PM

"Gay" and "bowers" had better go, but with a little folk processing that could still work.


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