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Subject: Origins: Please find Title, origin From: Brassgirl Date: 27 Nov 05 - 05:25 AM Hi everyone - new to this so have patience. Not sure if anyone can help but I noticed a few threads about the Hartlepool Monkey so I guess I might get a few hits. I am originally from Teesside (1970's)(Formally North Yorkshire) and I used to listen mainly to folk music on local radio - Tyne, Tees and Durham. One of my favourite songs was about the River Tees, and sung to the tune Lillie Marlene. I'm not sure but think it could have been sung by The Teesside Fettlers - (waiting on a reply from one of the members) It mentioned Chop Gate(pronounced Yop Yat) and the Gare (not sure if it was the North or South Gare) and many other features along the River, tracing its passage through the industrial towns of Middlesborough, Stockton etc. If anyone can recall this song please let me know, I'm now a music student/ performer in Australia and I'd like to build a 30 minute show around songs of the North East |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Please find Title, origin From: R. Padgett Date: 27 Nov 05 - 06:20 AM The main artists you need to look for are Vin Garbutt, Richard Grainger, Ron Angel, Teesside Fettlers (group) Wilson Family Ray |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Please find Title, origin From: Mick Pearce (MCP) Date: 27 Nov 05 - 06:31 AM The song is Richard Grainger's Teesside And Yorkshire. Gare appeared only as out by The Gare. If you want the words, I'll put them up later. Mick (also originally from Teesside) |
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Subject: RE: Origins: Please find Title, origin From: Mick Pearce (MCP) Date: 27 Nov 05 - 06:35 AM (also to the Gare where you freeze). Mick |
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Subject: Lyr Add: TEESSIDE AND YORKSHIRE (Richard Grainger) From: Mick Pearce (MCP) Date: 27 Nov 05 - 06:52 AM Here's the words. They're from one of my old song folders. I've got The Fettlers singing it on Travelling The Tees and if I get time I'll play the LP and compare their version with this. I'll try and put the tune up later (it's not Lili Marlene, btw). Mick TEESSIDE AND YORKSHIRE (Richard Grainger) Chorus: It's Teesside and Yorkshire that's still in my blood, The romance of the nasty fumes, the dales that mean good. For my home's in the smoke by that cold, mucky river And my ancestors came o'er the wind-bitten heather. While others are leaving, to find pastures of plenty, The old concrete roads and the signs of No Entry, I'm satisfied sitting by our own River Tees, Out by The Gare where the winds make you freeze. Then I turn to the South and I see the high hills, Where the cold open moors and the high rugged fells Look down over Blakey, The Cross and Ryedale, And beauty looks down on the heart of Teesdale. From Dorman's who make the steel, the finest of all, To Wilton and Billingham you must make a call. For here's The Transporter and The Newport Bridge too. And that isn't all we'ver got better than you. So, from Ayton, Chop Gate, aye, and Kildale and all, To The 'Boro' and Stockton, to the Tees River call, Let's lift up our jars and drink a toast to the Tees, From the gritty old docks to The Gare where you freeze. Source: One of my song folders, originally from Pete Moore of Eston. |
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Subject: RE: Please find Title, origin: Teesside And Yorkshire From: Terry K Date: 27 Nov 05 - 11:57 AM Check out Graeme Miles as well, he did masses of stuff about the area (though he wasn't actually a local) and you can get his recordings from the Folkways website. |
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Subject: RE: Please find Title, origin: Teesside And Yorkshire From: DMcG Date: 27 Nov 05 - 12:20 PM Don't forget this one, either: So if you're for fine bridges, then on Teesside we've got two, To show what local engineers and labourers can do. There's one of them that lifts the road way out of shipping's way And the other shuttles back and forth a hundred times a day. If you're interested, I'll see if I can track the rest of the words down |
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Subject: RE: Please find Title, origin: Teesside And Yorkshire From: GUEST,Guest, Helen. Date: 27 Nov 05 - 12:53 PM Richard's song, Teesside and Yorkshire as per the words above was rerecorded last year by Richard on his album 'On Heather and Clarty Moor', together with many other songs and tunes concerning the North York Moors. It's a really good album representing many factes of life on the moors. |
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Subject: RE: Please find Title, origin: Teesside And Yorkshire From: Carol Date: 27 Nov 05 - 01:16 PM There's also one about 'that grand old lady the Tees' by the Fettlers - if that's the one PM me as I think i have a copy of it on cassette but would have to search for it! |
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Subject: RE: Please find Title, origin: Teesside And Yorkshire From: C-flat Date: 27 Nov 05 - 03:01 PM The "Thornaby Anthem" is another, There's a little place upon old Britain's map where I first saw daylight from my mother's lap you can take New York and Tennessee There's a little place on the river Tees and I'm coming back to you sweet Thornaby I believe it was written in the trenches of WW1. I've always been amused by one of the verses which includes the lines Oh the New York girls are pretty all dressed in fancy clothes but if you want a pretty girl just take me down Mandale Road If you could see Mandale Road these days you would know why I find it funny! I first heard it in the early seventies sung by Violet Smith, an old Thornaby resident with a voice like a car with a flat battery, in The Collingwood next to Victoria bridge. The pub was run by Eva and Georgie, two old, retired sisters who tread the boards of the music halls and insisted that anyone who called in for a drink had to either play a tune on the battered old piano or sing a song. As a 15 year-old I regularly attended on a Friday night as I knew I would get my turn to sing and play my guitar although the price was that I was expected to accompany any of the singers whether I knew the song or not. (usually not) By the time I was 16 I knew more old music-hall songs and 40's/50's hits than most of my contempories and learned that there was more to music than Bowie and Bolan. Of course like Eva and Georgie, the Collingwood has long gone and what's left of Mandale Road is a pick-up point for prostitutes but I've got many great memories of that time and Violet's voice stills rings in my ears! Ouch! C-flat.(Teeside born and bred) |
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Subject: RE: Please find Title, origin: Teesside And Yorkshire From: Terry K Date: 28 Nov 05 - 04:23 AM Ooh C-flat, you wrote "Teeside" - I thought only southerners did that cos they don't know any better! |
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Subject: RE: Please find Title, origin: Teesside And Yorkshire From: Lancashire Lad Date: 28 Nov 05 - 05:02 PM Any collection of Teeside songs must include Chemical Workers Song and Ring Of Iron...both sung by The Teeside Fettlers and written (I think) by Ron Angel. If you need a copy making drop me a line here Cheers LL |
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Subject: RE: Please find Title, origin: Teesside And Yorkshire From: C-flat Date: 29 Nov 05 - 02:53 AM Terry K, you got me! In my defence it's very confusing when the region keeps changing its' identity. It was part of North Yorkshire when I was born here and these days no one is sure whether to use Cleveland or TeesSide. C-flat. |
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Subject: Lyr Add: THE PROCESSION (Graeme Miles) From: bill\sables Date: 29 Nov 05 - 04:08 AM There was also The Duchess of Kent about a Royal visit to Middlesboro, This was around in the 60's. The Duchess of Kent The mayor and his click held a meeting, a proposal were put to the board That a letter be sent to the Duchess of Kent to open a new hospital ward The alderman had a collection to acquire the mayor's chain out of pawn And a note was sent round to the heads of the town saying collars and ties must be worn The flags and the bunting were flying and crowds lined the Middlesbrough streets And the mayor and his band with their hats in their hand at the station the Duchess would meet At the station they waited and waited but the Duchess she weren't on the train Then somebody cried "She's at the dockside she's arrived on the Tees floating crane" The procession it started at Airsome, past the park and museum as well Passed Kirkhams fruit stall and the borough town hall and into the Baltic Hotel Now the beer in the Baltic were heavy, the beer in the Baltic were strong The Duchess went wild over a pint of brown mild and was singing The Match Factory song The mayor he had twenty five bitters The Duchess she had twenty nine Then she said "man I'm starved" so they downed one more half and went into St, Mary's to dine The community kitchen was crowded There wasn't no room for no more So the mayor and his group bought their black bread and soup and sat themselves down on the floor The runner bean soup was delicious and the crab apple melba a dream The crust was well done to the very last crumb poured thick with evaporated cream When they all walked out of the kitchen the crowd how it cheered and it yelled The Duchess was first to go quench her thirst back into the Baltic Hotel To the diesel the Duchess she staggered and when she had clambered aboard The mayor he cried stop for he'd quite clean forgotten to mention the hospital ward. |
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Subject: RE: Please find Title, origin: Teesside And Yorkshire From: Mick Pearce (MCP) Date: 29 Nov 05 - 05:11 AM That's The Procession - Graeme Miles. Mick |
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Subject: RE: Please find Title, origin: Teesside And Yorkshire From: Carol Date: 29 Nov 05 - 05:50 AM Yes I have that on cassette somewhere, funny I went up to Hartlepool to visit my sister over the weekend and although she lives on the 'Headland' i.e. Old Hartlepool neither of these areas are part of their address and now they're not in any county, used to be Co. Durham then it was was Cleveland (which very few people in Hartlepool thought they should be part of!) It's a unitary authority now so I don't think it's in any county at all but they're still proud of the Monkey hanging episode! |
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Subject: RE: Please find Title, origin: Teesside And Yorkshire From: webfolk Date: 30 Nov 05 - 02:50 AM As an exiled Hartlepudlian myself I always address the town as in County Durham. Does anyone know why West Hartlepool, which is where I was born, is often referred to as 'Bristish' West Hartlepool? I've never been able to find that out Maybe its a new thread needed. Geoff - bit on the side |
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Subject: RE: Please find Title, origin: Teesside And Yorksh From: Tootler Date: 30 Nov 05 - 04:14 AM I believe Tony Hancock was responsible for calling it British West Hartlepool. Maybe someone can confirm. BTW, They - whoever "they" are are - are now trying to get "Tees Valley" put in the postal address. I notice my former employers have added this to their address. |
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Subject: RE: Please find Title, origin: Teesside And Yorkshire From: A Wandering Minstrel Date: 30 Nov 05 - 08:16 AM I remember Chop Yat well, the section of the Lyke Wake from there to Westerdale is undoubtedly one of the most picturesque bits of Yorkshire and the walk up to it one of the steepest. :) |
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Subject: RE: Please find Title, origin: Teesside And Yorkshire From: fiddler Date: 30 Nov 05 - 09:12 AM I have it on Mp3 I have posted it along with some otehr Fettlers numbers on http://www.any-web-address.co.uk/Fettlers I did ask Ron about this once and he was OK for me to do it. I have both Fettlers Lps on MP3. I am also ex Teeside left in 1974 formerly of the Sun and Billingham Folk Club. I see Betsy hasn't picked up on this one - he wrote the pulling in song. Cheers Andy |
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Subject: RE: Please find Title, origin: Teesside And Yorkshire From: Terry K Date: 30 Nov 05 - 12:51 PM Cleveland was a really nice area in its own right, encompassing the Cleveland Hills and the villages around - my childhood bedroom window looked out on to Roseberry Topping, and my primary school was a couple of miles away at Marton-in-Cleveland, itself a pretty little village. Now its all just part of the Boro conurbation of course, so the use of the name Cleveland to describe it, though inaccurate, is no longer really seems such a shame as it used to be. When I left it was still just called the North Riding of Yorkshire. cheers, Terry |
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Subject: RE: Please find Title, origin: Teesside And Yorkshire From: TheBigPinkLad Date: 30 Nov 05 - 02:40 PM Brassgirl - You should try to get a hold of the Northumbria Anthology, which contains dozens of Teesside & Tees Valley songs. It's expensive, but worth it. Check out the website: http://northumbriaanthology.com/ As for the Cleveland-Yorkshire debate, I've known some people get really bent out of shape over this (why I don't know) but it was first named Cleveland by the Angles (Cliff-land) which would have been before the Vikings renamed Eboracum "Jorvik" which was of course glossed to York, and the county was cut away from the Kingdom of Northumbria later still. I went to school in Darlington (mid 60s) when Teesside first became designated a city, and the kids from that neck of the woods were proud to have their own city. Also to have Stan Anderson lead the Boro into the old First Division. ;o) |
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Subject: RE: Please find Title, origin: Teesside And Yorkshire From: fiddler Date: 01 Dec 05 - 06:37 AM BTW please can we spell Chop Gate properly it is only pronounced Chop Yat? Fussy aren't I pretty my tipping isn't up 2 it thgouh Adny |
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Subject: RE: Please find Title, origin: Teesside And Yorkshire From: webfolk Date: 01 Dec 05 - 06:38 AM I'm a carp typsit too Geoff - bit on the side |
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Subject: RE: Please find Title, origin: Teesside And Yorkshire From: GUEST,Betsy Date: 02 Dec 05 - 04:20 AM Fiddler, I couldn't disappoint you. Chop Gate is pronounced exactly as written, by the locals who live there . Chop Yat is used by all the Townies M'boro, Stockton etc. Some sort of perverse folk lore has grown up whereby all the Townies believe the locals pronounce it Chop Yat . Go and have a pint at Chop Gate - and pronounce it Chop Yat and the locals will have a great laugh at your expense. Terry K , in his mention of Marton-in-Cleveland omitted to mention that , this is also the birthplace of Capt James Cook - the worlds greatest cartographer and seafarer / explorer ( and for our U.S. friends who may find this thread a bit puzzling) the man who started the Americans calling the Brits - Limeys , as 'twas he, who accidently discovered, that eating limes eradicated scurvy in his crew members. Cheers Betsy |
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Subject: RE: Please find Title, origin: Teesside And Yorkshire From: fiddler Date: 02 Dec 05 - 04:54 AM I knew I could rely on you to make me look stupid Pete!!!! Still I was half right. Hey ho but I never knew any of that - Well that's not strictly true either - BUT I was born North of the Tees so small details from that rural backwater called Yorkshire would naturally get overlooked. :-) One of these days we can meet up for a pint it will happen one day - but who knows where and who knows when - There must be a song lyric in there somewhere. Andy |
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Subject: RE: Please find Title, origin: Teesside And Yorkshire From: Terry K Date: 02 Dec 05 - 08:20 AM Pete, not being picky but the great Captain Cook was born in Great Ayton (pronounced "Great Ayton" by the locals and "canny Yatton" by the townies in the same perverse way as you rightly point out about Chop Gate!). His family moved to Marton when he was young and just before he was packed off to Staithes as an apprentice shipbuilder. Some time later, Marton celebrated their favourite inhabitant by building Capt Cook's Memorial School, which is where life started to go all wrong for me. cheers, Terry |
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Subject: RE: Please find Title, origin: Teesside And Yorkshire From: fiddler Date: 02 Dec 05 - 10:38 AM LOL Terry, but I am sure these days you can get councelling for it! I recently decided that as she below decks is a Yorkshire lass I would put our names on to the Narrow boat with Teesside adn Yorkshire as the locations - very traditional, and takes us righ back to the start of the ftread Fred! Andy |
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Subject: RE: Please find Title, origin: Teesside And Yorkshire From: GUEST,Betsy Date: 02 Dec 05 - 10:38 AM Fiddler / Andy, It wasn't my intention ( or Terry k's ) to make you look silly - the subject still causes arguments in pubs and clubs.That's my take on it - so you could still be right!! I tried to find the thread re that "Do" at Guiseboro ( Gillies spelling) to see if you are at that bash on the 10 th which would be an execellent excuse for a pint. Terry I'm struggling to accept your Cook scenario - I was sure he was born Marton - then went to school in Great Ayton - ( the tiny village school building still being there ) i.e. not the Friends School which used to be on the Village Green. Looks like a case for Sherlock !!! Cheers Betsy |
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Subject: RE: Please find Title, origin: Teesside And Yorkshire From: TheBigPinkLad Date: 02 Dec 05 - 11:34 AM Check out this site for details on James Cook's birthplace: <> A HREF="http://www.captcook-ne.co.uk/timeline/earlylife.htm">http://www.captcook-ne.co.uk/timeline/earlylife.htm |
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Subject: RE: Please find Title, origin: Teesside And Yorkshire From: TheBigPinkLad Date: 02 Dec 05 - 11:50 AM Try that again: http://www.captcook-ne.co.uk/timeline/earlylife.htm |
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Subject: RE: Please find Title, origin: Teesside And Yorkshire From: fiddler Date: 02 Dec 05 - 04:37 PM S'all right Pete just joshing you know. Ironically I am passing between Teesside (xmas pressy drop) and Beverley (another xmas pressie drop) on the 10th but I doubt I can fit in the globe but if I can I will. I tried to make a Monday for the Sun in Stockton. BTW on pronouciation stuff my old headmaster used to call it (phonetic) Geesboro - we played their grammar school at football! I hope you don't mind I did give you a mention for the Pulling in Song..... A crackin good chorus too! Praps I ought to agree with ron and Co and market the CDS of their LPs in aid of some olf folking charity! Andy |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Teesside and Yorkshire (Richard Grain From: Brassgirl Date: 09 Dec 05 - 10:48 PM Thanks all who answered, only just got back to it - I'm pretty sure its the one 'that grand old lady the Tees' by the Fettlers I'm looking for - but I need to hear it. It's not the Teesside & Yorkshire song I'm after or the Thornaby song although I was born in Thornaby. Doesn't make me feel homesick - I went back in 2000 and only miss the family - although a bit of snow would cool me down at the moment in 30+C temp. Fantastic site - if anyone can tell me of the music publishers or somewhere I can find sheet music for any of the Fettlers songs - I'm sick of trying to transcribe from mp3. Thanks |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Teesside and Yorkshire (Richard Grain From: Brassgirl Date: 09 Dec 05 - 10:54 PM Thanks Richard, good to replace the wrong words that I'd written down all though nowadays the words make sense - I'd written the Beast of Teesvale! I'd only mucked that up and the concrete roads - I was wondering what foam concrete rows were - that's what it sounded like! I don't know wether I'd risk ordering music and cd's on the Internet from England to Australia. Although getting them sent to my sister in STockton might be the way to go. Thanks again. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Teesside and Yorkshire (Richard Grainger) From: Terry K Date: 10 Dec 05 - 05:44 AM Bloody 'ell - not often I'm right, but I'm wrong again (re Capt Cook's birthplace) it was Marton after all - and I double checked in my cherished biography of the great man. BigPinkLad's link has a nice photo of the said Roseberry Topping, and a mention of a "trip to Coatham in Yorkshire". I made the same trip on the 63 bus to Coatham five days a week and that alone stuffed any chance I had of a decent education! cheers, Terry |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Teesside and Yorkshire (Richard Grainger) From: folkypaul Date: 10 Dec 05 - 01:37 PM Betsy, You're signing as a guest. Are you registerd with Mudcat?? I have'nt talked with you for ages! If you are registerd, I'd like to send you an e-mail? By the way. I do know you. Honest. Eston, Cutty Wren, Anchor House etc folkypaul |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Teesside and Yorkshire (Richard Grainger) From: Betsy Date: 11 Dec 05 - 09:41 AM folkypaul I'm a member but f* ckrd if I know how it all works cheers Betsy |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Teesside and Yorkshire (Richard Grainger) From: fiddler Date: 12 Dec 05 - 02:57 AM Keep it that way Mr Betts, once you find out about these things you can get ever so stressed. I'm confused if Brassgirls not looking for Teesside and Yorkshire! I have got the whole of both Fettlers LPs in MP3 and CDA format but I really shouldn't publish the lot and to the best of my knowledge they are now only relics of a byegone age when we were all young and beautiful (or thought we were). I'll check out some others tonight. Missed the Glode on Saturday, did about 800 miles at the weekend from REading to Teesside East yorks and Derbyshire, back her to work 4 a rest. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Teesside and Yorkshire (Richard Grainger) From: GUEST Date: 22 Jan 06 - 08:42 AM |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Teesside and Yorkshire (Richard Grainger) From: GUEST,Richard Grainger Date: 06 Jun 06 - 02:49 PM Hi If your still looking for lyrics please ask me and I'll let you have them. Teesside & Yorkshire or any of my songs- no problem. |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Teesside and Yorkshire (Richard Grainger) From: Gedpipes Date: 07 Jun 06 - 04:15 AM Richard If you are not engaged this weekend we are playing the Board on Friday and Toms on Saturday Cheers Ged |
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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Teesside and Yorkshire (Richard Grainger) From: GUEST,Brassgirl Date: 28 Apr 12 - 07:48 AM G'day, folks and ex Tees-siders, the first post was ages ago - I'd forgotten all about it - until my brother emailed me (Rare occasion) and mentioned Chop Yat. I went looking for the words again as he is a lot older than me and should know where they all are and what the old words mean.(But he didn't) I'd love to get copies of the music sheet or otherwise but being out here in the colonies hardly likely to find them. I have the lyrics now I have to listen to the old scratchy cd and try and transcribe it - something I'm not real good at! Cheers folks Brassgirl |
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Subject: Chop Yat /Chop Gate From: GUEST,Brassgirl Date: 28 Apr 12 - 07:53 AM Yes I know it is ChopGate, not Chop Yat but referred to it that way as my brother called it Chop Yat today. Sorry but we were both Townies from Thornaby/Stockton. |
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