Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio

Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: pdq
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 01:29 PM

Believe it or not, this was done by Johnny Cash.

Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: wordfella
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 01:27 PM

Johnny Cash recorded that when his label was positioning him as a relevant folkie. '67 or so.

Not sure about the 'Liters.

Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: GUEST,Val
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 01:17 PM

I'm remembering the chorus of a song, that I THINK may have been done by the Limelighters, which seems appropriate. A cursory search of DT didn't yield the result, but that's probably because I'm not searching right.

Anyway, it seems apropos...the ballad was of a 4-man folk group with disparate political views. Chorus was something like:

The guy on the left was...on the Right
and the guy in the middle was... on the Left
and the guy on the left was... in the middle
and the guy in the rear... (this line changed from chorus to chorus - such things as "was a Methodist" or "burned his driver's license")

Anybody know this song, & who it's by?

Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: wordfella
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 01:17 PM

I've been gone a while. I see Martin's back.

Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: GUEST,Martin gibson
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 12:18 PM

A great response JimmyT!

The naysayer/elitists have always been the worst thing about the whole folk music scene. The moaning and groaning is laughable. They just don't get it the folk music for MOST is not about politics, navel gazing, changing the world, or anything other then rearing back your head and having a good time singing.

to them, If I had a hammer, I'd hammer some sense into them.

Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: jimmyt
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 09:05 AM

Why all the anomosity? This thread was asking a legitimate thread about folk music and to many people it is their only contact to folk music. I know many of you elitists here don't consider it folk music but that seems to be a debate that will never end. I won't go back through how many of you actually came to the folk music via groups like Kingston Trio, Limeliters, Brothers Four and Peter, Paul and Mary. Sure it is commercial but if you were to survey America about what comes to mind when you say folk music, I bet these names would come up in a much larger percentage than some of the more "purist" ones.

To me, music is music. You either like it or you don't. If you don't like it one option is to keep quiet about it. Another option is to politely disagree. The third, which seems to be what gets taken here in mudcat a lot is to yell from the treetops "THIS CRAP IS NOT FOLK MUSIC"   Which seems about as socially acceptable as someone at a cocktail party standing up on a chair and saying"HEY EVERYONE THIS   SALSA IS NOT AUTHENTIC! IT HAS EXTRA INGREDIENTS THAT ARE NOT IN REAL SALSA!" At the same time most people are enjoying the salsa, or not but keepng their mouth shut about it.

I just went to the Getaway in MAryland. I had a ball there. Ded some of the music suit my personal tastes?   No. There were slots of genres that I loved, some that I enjoyed for the historical perspective, some I clearly didn't quite get. But I had the sense to keep it to myself. For an evening performance I joined a couple of other Mudcatters, Allan C and Janie to perform an old Kingston Trio number. WHen it was announced I heard the naysayers moaning in the audience. Then I heard 200 people join in on the choruses. I know I am rambling here but, damn, why don't we all open our eyes a bit? We may be surprised at what happens with an open mind.

Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 02 Dec 05 - 04:51 AM

Will Mitch and Mickey kiss in the last frame?

can't wait!

Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: Once Famous
Date: 01 Dec 05 - 11:43 PM

Shove it, Guest. You lose.

Thank you, Don and TheBalladeer. I figured there was some truth to what I "heard"

Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: jimmyt
Date: 01 Dec 05 - 08:45 PM

I saw them in Concord NH a few months ago with Groves and Hayworth but it would not suprise me if they had some additional changes. Not too cohesive at that morph. The Shaw Brothers opened for them and in my opinion they were much better than the KT 3 at that time

Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: theballadeer
Date: 01 Dec 05 - 08:49 AM

No...there is a rift...with the current version. It comes up on the Kingston Crossroads message board. And it is pretty much as stated above. 2-replacement Limeliters left the group. But firt to join Glen Yarbourgh's (sp) folk reunion. Then Bob Shane (last original Kingston Trio (KT) in the group) got very sick and Bill Zorn former replacement Limeliter (and replacement KT from the 70's) joined or rejoined KT. Then Bob Haworth KT replacement from the late 80's and again in late 90's is unceremoniously fired and his replacement is the other replacement Limeliter Rick Dougherty. Alex Hasilev (as stated) is only surving and active member of either group.

Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: DonMeixner
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 11:39 PM

Just go to The Limeliters and Kingston Trio's respective sites. Everything is laid out for you there. The current KT has no original members. George Grove is the closest with the other two members both being former Limeliters but not original members. The Limeliters still has Alex Hasilev, a founder, and two others whom I do not know.

If there ever was a rift it is now mended I'd say.

Don

Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: frogprince
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 11:13 PM

The "Kingston Trio" hasn't really been the Kingston Trio for nearly 40 years anyhow. I have no idea if anything is left of the Limelighters except a hand-me-down name, either.

Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 10:43 PM

Mr. Martineee, I believe Mr. Gargoyleee is challenging you on the original source of your spurulous statement. In other words, he presented a "challenge" to put-up, or shut-up. Libel cases can cross international borders. You may have less than the coat on your back but even it can be removed to let you shiver in the cold December of your "Winter of Discontent" if you cannot respond to the demands of authentication for your sources. You are not a journalist, and you state that "you have heard"....but both groups involved have outstanding , star-status, reputations. Dance, prance, around but someone, with legal backing, is ready to "call-your-bluff."

Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: Cluin
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 09:34 PM

Shades of that whole Poco/Eagles thing.

Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: Once Famous
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 09:33 PM

It's Mr. Gibson to you Gargle breath. I'm looking for the same info you are because inquiring minds want to know.

Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 09:31 PM

You....Mr. Martin....are an Id-jet!!!!

PLEASE!!! provide sources....person/publication, date/time/year, location, even a "he said, she said, they said" with time stamp.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: Once Famous
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 09:31 PM

Yeah, it will be run after the naked pictures of your mother.

Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: Rapparee
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 09:31 PM

Haven't heard a word. Sorry.

(I was in Chicago over the Tgiving days. Forget the turkey, eat the hot dogs! Yeah!)

Subject: RE: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 09:28 PM

Researching an article for National Enquirer?

Subject: Limeliters vs. Kingston Trio
From: Once Famous
Date: 30 Nov 05 - 09:25 PM

I have heard that there is some kind of rift between these two folk groups. It seems two former Limeliters are now in the Kingston Trio and that one Trio member was fired and replaced with someone who quit the Limeliters to go to the Kingston Trio.

Anyhone have any details?