BS: Where's the Global Warming

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 03 Jan 14 - 04:57 PM

"Antarctica is losing land ice at an ever-increasing rate"

Well stop farting!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: gnu
Date: 03 Jan 14 - 06:11 PM

About -40C with wind chill here lately. Just spread a third blanket on the bed. I have the furnance cranked up a few dergrees higher than ever before. Got me woolies and jeans on, tee and hoody. And I am still cold! I think it's local aging in my case.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Jan 14 - 06:20 PM

If they predicted Global Cooling, you'd just show a chart about how hot it was in Phoenix.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: GUEST,Ed T
Date: 31 Jan 14 - 05:21 PM

hot Brazil 

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: Stringsinger
Date: 31 Jan 14 - 05:48 PM

Global warming causes extremes in temperature, the jet stream disrupted, the weather patterns shifting. Droughts and freezes are on the menu.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: Sawzaw
Date: 19 Feb 14 - 08:45 AM

Well Well Well. I had to happen.

INDIANAPOLIS (WISH) – A total of 1.1 inches fell Saturday night into Sunday breaking the record for the snowiest winter in history.

24-Hour News 8 Meteorologist Ken Brewer says as of Sunday, Indianapolis has seen 51.6 inches of snow, which is .6 of an inch higher than what was the snowiest winter in 1981-82. The winter of 1977-78 is the third snowiest winter with 49.7 inches of snowfall.

Another storm system will move into the area on Monday and could bring some light wintry mix of snow, freezing rain, rain and sleet. There may be a batch of a wintry mix for the morning commute, but the bulk looks to arrive in the afternoon and evening hours, affecting the afternoon bus stop and evening commute. Some areas north of Indianapolis could see 1 to 3 inches of snow. The Indianapolis area will most likely see some light snow mixed with freezing rain. Areas south of Indianapolis will see freezing rain, mixing with rain.

Because of the various types of winter weather in narrow bands of locations, this forecast will be tougher than the Friday forecast.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Feb 14 - 10:12 AM

But my account CAN'T be overdrawn- I still have checks in my checkbook .....

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: frogprince
Date: 19 Feb 14 - 10:22 AM

Bingo, Greg. Nice sharp analogy.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: VirginiaTam
Date: 19 Feb 14 - 03:10 PM

According to James Lovelock it is too late to turn the tide.

20 years if we are lucky, before the shit hits the fan.

Ask me the shit's been plastering us for several years now.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Feb 14 - 03:31 PM

A pity so few will read what he says.

I have been stating that the efforts TO STOP GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE are not worthwhile- we should be making changes to LIVE with it.




What he say:

" Buried down a winding track through wild woodland, in an office full of books and papers and contraptions involving dials and wires, the 88-year-old presents his thoughts with a quiet, unshakable conviction that can be unnerving. More alarming even than his apocalyptic climate predictions is his utter certainty that almost everything we're trying to do about it is wrong.

On the day we meet, the Daily Mail has launched a campaign to rid Britain of plastic shopping bags. The initiative sits comfortably within the current canon of eco ideas, next to ethical consumption, carbon offsetting, recycling and so on - all of which are premised on the calculation that individual lifestyle adjustments can still save the planet. This is, Lovelock says, a deluded fantasy. Most of the things we have been told to do might make us feel better, but they won't make any difference. Global warming has passed the tipping point, and catastrophe is unstoppable.

"It's just too late for it," he says. "Perhaps if we'd gone along routes like that in 1967, it might have helped. But we don't have time. All these standard green things, like sustainable development, I think these are just words that mean nothing. I get an awful lot of people coming to me saying you can't say that, because it gives us nothing to do. I say on the contrary, it gives us an immense amount to do. Just not the kinds of things you want to do."

He dismisses eco ideas briskly, one by one. "Carbon offsetting? I wouldn't dream of it. It's just a joke. To pay money to plant trees, to think you're offsetting the carbon? You're probably making matters worse. You're far better off giving to the charity Cool Earth, which gives the money to the native peoples to not take down their forests."

Do he and his wife try to limit the number of flights they take? "No we don't. Because we can't." And recycling, he adds, is "almost certainly a waste of time and energy", while having a "green lifestyle" amounts to little more than "ostentatious grand gestures". He distrusts the notion of ethical consumption. "Because always, in the end, it turns out to be a scam ... or if it wasn't one in the beginning, it becomes one."

Somewhat unexpectedly, Lovelock concedes that the Mail's plastic bag campaign seems, "on the face of it, a good thing". But it transpires that this is largely a tactical response; he regards it as merely more rearrangement of Titanic deckchairs, "but I've learnt there's no point in causing a quarrel over everything". He saves his thunder for what he considers the emptiest false promise of all - renewable energy.

"You're never going to get enough energy from wind to run a society such as ours," he says. "Windmills! Oh no. No way of doing it. You can cover the whole country with the blasted things, millions of them. Waste of time."

This is all delivered with an air of benign wonder at the intractable stupidity of people. "I see it with everybody. People just want to go on doing what they're doing. They want business as usual. They say, 'Oh yes, there's going to be a problem up ahead,' but they don't want to change anything."

Lovelock believes global warming is now irreversible, and that nothing can prevent large parts of the planet becoming too hot to inhabit, or sinking underwater, resulting in mass migration, famine and epidemics. Britain is going to become a lifeboat for refugees from mainland Europe, so instead of wasting our time on wind turbines we need to start planning how to survive. To Lovelock, the logic is clear. The sustainability brigade are insane to think we can save ourselves by going back to nature; our only chance of survival will come not from less technology, but more.

Nuclear power, he argues, can solve our energy problem - the bigger challenge will be food. "Maybe they'll synthesise food. I don't know. Synthesising food is not some mad visionary idea; you can buy it in Tesco's, in the form of Quorn. It's not that good, but people buy it. You can live on it." But he fears we won't invent the necessary technologies in time, and expects "about 80%" of the world's population to be wiped out by 2100. Prophets have been foretelling Armageddon since time began, he says. "But this is the real thing."

Faced with two versions of the future - Kyoto's preventative action and Lovelock's apocalypse - who are we to believe? Some critics have suggested Lovelock's readiness to concede the fight against climate change owes more to old age than science: "People who say that about me haven't reached my age," he says laughing."

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Feb 14 - 03:39 PM

Ya mean, throw in the towel, move off the floodplains, & tough shit everyone, Beardie?

Now THAT'S the spirit that made Amerika great. You been talking to Little Hawk?

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Feb 14 - 03:45 PM

No, GregF.

I have been looking at facts, and IMO global climate change WILL happen, and the effort to STOP it has prevented a far more worthwhile effort to save those populations that will be affected by it. You may be in favor of mass exterminations of populations, but I am not.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Feb 14 - 06:14 PM

WILL happen?

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: beardedbruce
Date: 20 Feb 14 - 09:34 AM

Yes. There is significant evidence that climate change ( which has occurred in the past) is going to happen no matter what we do.

It make a lot more sense to prepare for it than to just try to stop it.

Canute learned this lesson- too bad so many here have not.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: beardedbruce
Date: 20 Feb 14 - 11:56 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: GUEST,beardedbruce - PM
Date: 10 Jul 09 - 01:39 PM

Ans Al Gore is telling us that if we don't kick and get overheated everything will be ok.

I do not have a problem with reducing pollution- but I do object to doing NOTHING to deal with the *** effects *** of climate change ( which IMO will happen regardless). By working so hard to reduce emmissions, we are taking effort away from moving those populations tha will have to be moved regardless. The implied point of Gore et al is that we will stop the warming, and there will be no need to make any changes in where we live, or the crops we grow, etc.

Has no-one here ever read about the Viking Greenland colony? Up until the mid 1100s, , it was a viable farming and grazing community, settled from Iceland. Guess what happened? There was a little ice age, ( from 1100 to now) and the colony basically died out. So now the climate has returned to what it was before 1000- and King Al is berating the tide for coming in.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: beardedbruce
Date: 20 Feb 14 - 11:59 AM

Actually, Canute knew the lesson.


But many here would far rather blame others than do something to actually help people.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: Greg F.
Date: 20 Feb 14 - 01:12 PM

It make a lot more sense to prepare for it than to just try to stop it.

Any reason we can't do both?

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: Sawzaw
Date: 20 Feb 14 - 03:05 PM

Charles Onians Monday 20 March 2000
                
Britain's winter ends tomorrow with further indications of a striking environmental change: snow is starting to disappear from our lives.

Sledges, snowmen, snowballs and the excitement of waking to find that the stuff has settled outside are all a rapidly diminishing part of Britain's culture, as warmer winters - which scientists are attributing to global climate change - produce not only fewer white Christmases, but fewer white Januaries and Februaries.

The first two months of 2000 were virtually free of significant snowfall in much of lowland Britain, and December brought only moderate snowfall in the South-east. It is the continuation of a trend that has been increasingly visible in the past 15 years: in the south of England, for instance, from 1970 to 1995 snow and sleet fell for an average of 3.7 days, while from 1988 to 1995 the average was 0.7 days. London's last substantial snowfall was in February 1991.

Global warming, the heating of the atmosphere by increased amounts of industrial gases, is now accepted as a reality by the international community. Average temperatures in Britain were nearly 0.6°C higher in the Nineties than in 1960-90, and it is estimated that they will increase by 0.2C every decade over the coming century. Eight of the 10 hottest years on record occurred in the Nineties.

However, the warming is so far manifesting itself more in winters which are less cold than in much hotter summers. According to Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia,within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event".

"Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said.

The effects of snow-free winter in Britain are already becoming apparent. This year, for the first time ever, Hamleys, Britain's biggest toyshop, had no sledges on display in its Regent Street store. "It was a bit of a first," a spokesperson said.

Fen skating, once a popular sport on the fields of East Anglia, now takes place on indoor artificial rinks. Malcolm Robinson, of the Fenland Indoor Speed Skating Club in Peterborough, says they have not skated outside since 1997. "As a boy, I can remember being on ice most winters. Now it's few and far between," he said.

Michael Jeacock, a Cambridgeshire local historian, added that a generation was growing up "without experiencing one of the greatest joys and privileges of living in this part of the world - open-air skating".

Warmer winters have significant environmental and economic implications, and a wide range of research indicates that pests and plant diseases, usually killed back by sharp frosts, are likely to flourish. But very little research has been done on the cultural implications of climate change - into the possibility, for example, that our notion of Christmas might have to shift.

Professor Jarich Oosten, an anthropologist at the University of Leiden in the Netherlands, says that even if we no longer see snow, it will remain culturally important.

"We don't really have wolves in Europe any more, but they are still an important part of our culture and everyone knows what they look like," he said.

David Parker, at the Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research in Berkshire, says ultimately, British children could have only virtual experience of snow. Via the internet, they might wonder at polar scenes - or eventually "feel" virtual cold.

Heavy snow will return occasionally, says Dr Viner, but when it does we will be unprepared. "We're really going to get caught out. Snow will probably cause chaos in 20 years time," he said.

The chances are certainly now stacked against the sort of heavy snowfall in cities that inspired Impressionist painters, such as Sisley, and the 19th century poet laureate Robert Bridges, who wrote in "London Snow" of it, "stealthily and perpetually settling and loosely lying".

Not any more, it seems.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: Sawzaw
Date: 20 Feb 14 - 06:34 PM

"The interior of the earth is extremely hot – several million degrees." Not 11,000 degrees?

"As many know, the Chinese expression for "crisis" consists of two characters side by side. The first is the symbol for "danger," the second the $ymbol for "opportunity." Hummmmmmmmmm.

"It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it" Now that sounds logical.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: Ed T
Date: 20 Feb 14 - 07:13 PM

Indeed , climate has cycles and scientists build known historic changes in climate into global climate models.There are a varity of scientific routes to get information on these cycles. Background sources of heat are also factored into the models.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: Sawzaw
Date: 20 Feb 14 - 11:41 PM

Wow. Is the "several million" of degrees factored in?

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: Ed T
Date: 21 Feb 14 - 06:01 AM

If in the unlikely scenario that number is accurate, and directly related in the manner suggested, (versus being a non scientific and mis-understood projection) yes, it would be factured into climate models, with other related data.
However, the global scientific community does not use sketchy internet sources for their data on global climate processes. If they did, they would be corrected and shamed by their many critical scientific peers and the global scientific community.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: Sawzaw
Date: 26 Feb 14 - 11:24 PM

Green Energy will reverse global warming. Right?

So far, 34 companies that were offered federal support from taxpayers are faltering — either having gone bankrupt or laying off workers or heading for bankruptcy. This list includes only those companies that received federal money from the Obama Administration's Department of Energy and other agencies. The amount of money indicated does not reflect how much was actually received or spent but how much was offered. The amount also does not include other state, local, and federal tax credits and subsidies, which push the amount of money these companies have received from taxpayers even higher.

The complete list of faltering or bankrupt green-energy companies:

    Evergreen Solar ($25 million)*
    SpectraWatt ($500,000)*
    Solyndra ($535 million)*
    Beacon Power ($43 million)*
    Nevada Geothermal ($98.5 million)
    SunPower ($1.2 billion)
    First Solar ($1.46 billion)
    Babcock and Brown ($178 million)
    EnerDel's subsidiary Ener1 ($118.5 million)*
    Amonix ($5.9 million)
    Fisker Automotive ($529 million)
    Abound Solar ($400 million)*
    A123 Systems ($279 million)*
    Willard and Kelsey Solar Group ($700,981)*
    Johnson Controls ($299 million)
    Brightsource ($1.6 billion)
    ECOtality ($126.2 million)
    Raser Technologies ($33 million)*
    Energy Conversion Devices ($13.3 million)*
    Mountain Plaza, Inc. ($2 million)*
    Olsen's Crop Service and Olsen's Mills Acquisition Company ($10 million)*
    Range Fuels ($80 million)*
    Thompson River Power ($6.5 million)*
    Stirling Energy Systems ($7 million)*
    Azure Dynamics ($5.4 million)*
    GreenVolts ($500,000)
    Vestas ($50 million)
    LG Chem's subsidiary Compact Power ($151 million)
    Nordic Windpower ($16 million)*
    Navistar ($39 million)
    Satcon ($3 million)*
    Konarka Technologies Inc. ($20 million)*
    Mascoma Corp. ($100 million)

*Denotes companies that have filed for bankruptcy.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 26 Feb 14 - 11:36 PM

"Green Energy will reverse global warming. "

That is the first time I have ever seen or heard that sentence.

President Obama usually puts it in terms of investment in a growing industry.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: Ed T
Date: 27 Feb 14 - 04:02 AM

Fracking = cheap natural gas pulse= unpredicted change in energy sector= challenge to green energy costs and initiatives (wind , solar)= less reliance on oil and coal +cheaper and cleaner electrical generation = reduced carbon emissions

Environmental costs/benefits (fracking and reduced carbon emissions) = unknown
long term outlook for other green initiatives = unknown
long term price/supplies of cheaper natural gas = unknown
future role of coal and oil+ future role (USA) of foreign oil = unknown

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Jul 14 - 12:10 PM

"Global temperature reaches record high in June following record warmth in May
Date: July 22, 2014
Source: NOAA/National Climatic Data Center
Summary: According to NOAA scientists, the globally averaged temperature over land and ocean surfaces for June 2014 was the highest for June since record keeping began in 1880. It also marked the 38th consecutive June and 352nd consecutive month with a global temperature above the 20th century average. The last below-average global temperature for June was in 1976 and the last below-average global temperature for any month was February 1985."

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/07/140722095652.htm?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencedaily+%28Latest+Science+News+--+ScienceDaily%29

click

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: GUEST,Crowbar
Date: 17 Jun 15 - 01:34 PM

"But if there's -- if we can get some great things, in terms of renewable energy resources: a renewable electricity standard, wind, solar, biofuels and the rest in that context, because if you make a decision only to go with the offshore drilling, you are increasing our dependence on fossil fuels, and you will never free yourself of that addiction unless you invest in the renewable energy resources that are good for the environment, cheaper for the consumer and will reverse global warming."

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Dec 15 - 07:52 AM

According to the Weather Channel we are in for "Blow Torch Weather"

Seriously? Do we need flame proof suits?

Noam Chomsky: How Climate Change Became a Liberal Hoax

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: Donuel
Date: 21 Dec 15 - 08:48 AM

75 this xmas eve in DC fits perfectly in our weather that reports a record high for nearly half of every day as a record high over these last 5 years.

Due to feedback loops and unknown relationships that speed global warming, the rate of temperature rise will possibly be ten times faster than the prudent and intentionally conservative scientific predictions that are presented today.

Organic ocean systems are at the limits of rebounding with more CO2 eating organisms.

The sun will continue to cycle up to its maximum.

The tundra will exponentially ferment.

The storage of underground methane will grow in its leaking into the atmosphere.
Sustainable energy is on a path to lag behind fossil fuel at disastrous levels.

We are in the midst of the minor die off of up to 90% of food species in the ocean.The extinction event now is significant due to mankind. Those who disregard the canary in this mine may not live long enough to see first hand the major die off of life on his planet

Life has no guarantee as we see elsewhere.

THOSE who lust for simple answers to complex questions will never understand the danger confronting every symbiotic life system in the near future.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Dec 15 - 10:58 AM

I had an interesting train of thought.
When fuel oil/LP gas companies calculate how much energy was consumed on a particular day in order to calculate when customers will need a refill, they use degree days. The temperatures for each day are averaged hourly or more often rather than going by peaks and lows that might last for a short period. This gives a more accurate measurement than peak highs and lows.

If the climate is warming there should be a decline of daily heating degree averages days and an increase of cooling degree days averages.

After finding this EPA chart, I see that is the case but the number of cooling degree days is decreasing at a faster rate than cooling degree days are increasing.

What does this mean? Using my own crude method of averaging and projecting. the two averages will cross in the year 2170 at 2000 degree days which is less than the current averages of approx 2800.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 Dec 15 - 12:43 PM

Do you think that 'global warming' is the result of global corporate influence on politician's flatulence??...or the other way around???...maybe the combination of ingredients...

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Dec 15 - 01:09 PM

More likely YOUR flatulence, Goofus.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Dec 15 - 01:48 PM

Above the receptionist counter of the FLAT EARTH SOCIETY headquarters in Washington DC
are seven wooden flat Earth clocks all showing different times labeled respectively: Greenwich, New York, San Francisco, Guam, Beijing, Mumbai, Moscow.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Dec 15 - 02:31 PM

Oops I meant to say "the number of cooling degree days is decreasing at a faster rate than the number of heating degree days are increasing.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 Dec 15 - 02:41 PM

....and the Antarctic is gaining in size...must be warm ice, huh??
...or as per aforementioned, a lot of flatulent rhetoric.
The earth does it in cycles....while flatulent rhetoric has you going in circles!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Dec 15 - 02:48 PM

Say good night, Goofus.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 24 Dec 15 - 03:48 PM

Ya' know Greggie, if you have an exception to make, about something I've(or anyone else) posts, then point it out and comment on it. Saying, "Good night" over and over and over and over, gives the impression that you are as much of a drowsy 'know-nothing', as if you had actually said something...removing ALL doubt!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Dec 15 - 03:56 PM

All I see here is a High school mentality food fight.

Please act like adults and debate instead of bickering.

"You can talk, you can talk, you can bicker
You can talk. You can bicker, bicker, bicker, you can talk
You can talk. You can talk, talk, talk, bicker, bicker, bicker.
You can talk all you wanna, but it's no different than it was."

MM

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: Donuel
Date: 24 Dec 15 - 04:54 PM

If you ever visit the Flat earth Headquarters do not make my mistake of calling it the Global headquarters.

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: Joe Offer
Date: 24 Dec 15 - 05:05 PM

Touché, Donuel!

Subject: RE: BS: Where's the Global Warming
From: gnu
Date: 24 Dec 15 - 06:30 PM

I have flung all my windows open! On Kissmeaas Eve! I just did four laps on my dead end street in a light hoody before my back said, "STOP NOW!" It's positively balmy! Thank goodness winter is over as I have learned (accepted?) to hate snow and cold. The older I get, the colder I get.

I make no point. Second "green Kissmeass" in a row. No point. Just feeling smug. Smug as a bug in a rug.

Good night and joy be with you all.