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Subject: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: GUEST,Nina Date: 20 Dec 05 - 10:12 AM Just to make it clear, if it weren't for Christ, there wouldn't be a Holiday or Christmas!! So call it like it is, CHRISTMAS!! Merry Christmas to all!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: Strollin' Johnny Date: 20 Dec 05 - 10:15 AM Steady girl, don't want to cause offence to non-Christians. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: GUEST,Nina Date: 20 Dec 05 - 10:20 AM I like a good fight and I'm not afraid of offending them, they don;t care to offend me by taking God out of everything. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: SINSULL Date: 20 Dec 05 - 10:22 AM Peace, Nina, for everyone. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: GUEST Date: 20 Dec 05 - 10:24 AM Yeah. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 20 Dec 05 - 10:28 AM "I like a good fight" and you consider yourself a good Christian? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: gnu Date: 20 Dec 05 - 10:30 AM Oh-oh. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: Paco Rabanne Date: 20 Dec 05 - 10:31 AM Happy Christmas from sunny Hull. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: GUEST,Nina Date: 20 Dec 05 - 10:35 AM Yes I am. I know to stand up for what's right. My definition of a fight isn't physical, like you're probly thinking. It's standing up for what I think is right & not letting outsiders tell me what to say or beleive. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: GUEST,Nina Date: 20 Dec 05 - 10:42 AM Do you think Christians sit back, don't say anything and let people run over them? There are many definitions of a "good Christian". Whether I say my peace or not, it's my beleif & opinion. I was born & raised in the USA and I am proud of it. Hope you are proud of who you are too. God Bless You All!! Merry Christmas! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: Dave Earl Date: 20 Dec 05 - 10:42 AM So people who have a different faith from you are not allowed to declare whatever it is they believe but you are. Seems to me that you are coming from the standpoint as them so you can only be as wrong as you believe them to be. Why can't there be room for all faiths in this world? Happy Christmas (I prefer Happy rather than Merry) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: wysiwyg Date: 20 Dec 05 - 10:45 AM Christian or not, trolling is trolling. You don't need to admonish "Guest, Nina"-- just don't take the bait. ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: GUEST Date: 20 Dec 05 - 10:46 AM I beleive that everyone is intitled to believe what they want, whatever it may be. But why should I change everything I've done all my life to accomodate everyone from somewhere else? They don't go out of there way to change the laws & ways overseas to accomodate me!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: MMario Date: 20 Dec 05 - 10:48 AM Of course - even though you are completly incorrect - as without Christ we would still have a number of winter solstice holidays to choose among - but that's okay, because you are standing up for what you believe in, and it's okay to fight in a non-physical manner. You have amply demonstrated your belief by coming into a conversational area in a confrontational manner with a statement seemingly designed to inflame. But hey, Peace on Earth Good Will to All! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: GUEST Date: 20 Dec 05 - 10:50 AM Good will to you too!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: GUEST,A Date: 20 Dec 05 - 10:56 AM I am not at all concerned about the status of various foreign religions. I live in the US, it is still predominatly Christian and therefore, MERRY/HAPPY CHRISTMAS! To others, Happy Hannukah, Happy Kwanza, etc. For the non-believers, not to worry about something that is nonexistant. Thanks, Nina! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: GUEST Date: 20 Dec 05 - 10:58 AM Thank you!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: *daylia* Date: 20 Dec 05 - 10:59 AM Nina, relax. You're right, "they" couldn't care less about offending you or anyone else, but think about it ... can anyone really "take God out of everything"?? It is interesting though, how ridiculing and condemning religious/spiritual beliefs and those who practice them has become such an accepted, popular, politically correct sport. And at the same time, anyone who dares to belittle or even question atheism or atheists better look out ... it's Lock'n Load. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: Mo the caller Date: 20 Dec 05 - 10:59 AM Happy Christmas from an atheist |
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Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: Big Al Whittle Date: 20 Dec 05 - 11:04 AM Christians awake! salute the happy morn.....! the rest of you can have a kip |
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Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: GUEST,Nina Date: 20 Dec 05 - 11:06 AM Well, I just want to tell all to have a Merry Christmas, Holiday, Kwanza, etc. Whatever it is you do or do not beleive in, just beleive. I am not trying to change anyone, just don't try to change me & my land. Mo the caller, Happy Christmas to you. I pray we all can get along and hold on to our beleifs. God Bless You all!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: *daylia* Date: 20 Dec 05 - 11:07 AM PS - And here's hoping everyone here enjoys a wonderfully happy and peaceful holiday season too. From, uh, a fellow human being. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: Paul Burke Date: 20 Dec 05 - 11:11 AM It was the kids that used to awake and salute the morn, I'd usually been helping Santa to see off the mince pies and brandy. One memorable Christmas morn, 3 yr old Alison got up at the crack of doom, and opened all the presents- ALL the presents, hers, Tom's, ours, the ones meant for other people. Had a wonderful time. We sent a lot of thankyous saying "Dear ..., Thank you for the lovely gift." Happy celebration, Guest Nina, and don't forget that christians came on the scene over 5000 years after people had started celebrating the middle of winter. Not to mention the rebirth of spring. Funny that the religious lot never got a handle on midsummer, though... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: Peace Date: 20 Dec 05 - 11:20 AM Bah, HUMBUG! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: *daylia* Date: 20 Dec 05 - 11:32 AM Well, as far as I know, those who celebrate(d) the solstice were/are a "religious lot" too, Paul. Of a non-Christian stripe. Litha (or Midsummer, June 24) became the Feast of St John the Baptist after Europe was Christianized - an important holiday especially in French-speaking countries. Just as Aug 2nd, ie Lammas (or "Loaf-Mass", the first harvest) became the day when the Eucharist loaves for the year were baked (ie from the first wheat harvested), and blessed by the Christian priests. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: leftydee Date: 20 Dec 05 - 01:35 PM That's what I like, Nina ; a good agressive "up yours " to celebrate the birth of your saviour. Try emulating the man of peace, why don't ya? All you zealots, christians, jews, muslims, etc. ruin the world. Here's an idea from a reformed christian: take a little time to feel some love for those that believe differently than you. It's a huge brotherhood of man out there. Celebrate our differences, I promise you'll feel better. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: suzi Date: 20 Dec 05 - 01:42 PM What leftydee said... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: gnu Date: 20 Dec 05 - 01:45 PM Merry Christmas, from the valley of the, HO HO HO, Green Giant. Sorry... couldn't resist. Hope I didn't offend anyone, Vegans excluded. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: GUEST Date: 20 Dec 05 - 02:42 PM whatever makes you feel better. Don't hate her for her beleifs. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: Cluin Date: 20 Dec 05 - 03:14 PM Turnabout's fair play, they say. More's the pity. It's amazing the number of people out there all too ready to take offence at someone wishing them well at this time of year, whatever the religious or secular motivation. I love this season and wish everyone the Christmas they wish themselves. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: RobbieWilson Date: 20 Dec 05 - 03:41 PM As may be, Cluin, but the thread startrd off as a rant against other people who don't believe in the christian christmas fairy story. And to guestA in America the Christian religion is the foremost of the foreign religions imported from Europe to your shores. Before that it was imported to our shores here in Britain and to make it palatable to the natives they let them hold on to their old holidays bit gave them new names and pretended that they were really events im the christian story. The sensible people just get on and enjoy a party at the darkest time of the year while the Zealots go on saying it's a reflection of the one truth they are spouting. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: MMario Date: 20 Dec 05 - 03:53 PM Robbie - The Christ Mass predates Christianity in Britain. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: number 6 Date: 20 Dec 05 - 04:07 PM sounds good to me. Merry Christmas to everyone! sIx |
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Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: TheBigPinkLad Date: 20 Dec 05 - 04:13 PM "Allelujah! Noel! Be it Heaven or Hell The Christmas you get you deserve." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: Donuel Date: 20 Dec 05 - 04:59 PM been there done this |
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Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: Donuel Date: 20 Dec 05 - 05:01 PM Mer Ree Chris Mass |
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Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: GUEST Date: 20 Dec 05 - 05:15 PM LOL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: skarpi Date: 20 Dec 05 - 06:05 PM " GLEÐILEG JÓL " all the best Skarpi Iceland |
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Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: Col K Date: 20 Dec 05 - 06:07 PM Seasons greetings to you all, and lets all hope for peace on earth. Col |
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Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: Big Mick Date: 20 Dec 05 - 06:44 PM I don't much care for Nina's style, but there is some validity in her point. In any number of threads I have seen my atheist/agnostic friends ridicule those of us who have some sort of theistic view on the world. It does seem that it is OK for folks to ridicule and attack Christians while the reverse is not allowed and is attacked. A large percentage of this, IMO, is due to fundamentalist Christians and their need to witness and proselytize. It is also due to the fact that Christianity was the religion of the Europeans who colonized the US, Africa, and much of the Middle East. As the world has moved past this age, the resentment of imposed religion has surfaced. Whatever the cause, let this Celtic Catholic Christian (whatever that means ...... actually I have a pretty good idea what it means but that is another thread) wish you all the blessings of this world. When I say that, I mean no offense to anyone, rather that I would like you to know that I beleive this is a season of joy at the birth of my saviour, and I wish you all the blessings that brings to me. I celebrate my holiday, and yours. It is a season, despite the commercial crap, in which we all look forward to the lengthening days, to the warming of the Earth Mother, to the beauty that will be ours to behold again. I believe this is the gift from God. Whatever you believe to be true, I celebrate this rebirth with you. Peace, Mick |
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Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: gnu Date: 20 Dec 05 - 07:33 PM Aye, Mick... and with you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: Amos Date: 20 Dec 05 - 07:55 PM Seconded Mick, and the yowlingest of Yuletides to you and yours! :D Love ya, A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: Jerry Rasmussen Date: 20 Dec 05 - 08:17 PM And a Merry Christmas to those who can accept the wish as given in good will and non-judgment. It is an expression of what I believe, and offered in love. If you believe something else, or find the whole issue of faith offensive, then of all people you can understand how your attacks on Christians without any regard to the sincerity of individuals is offensive as well. Howzabout just wishing each other well with the hope that we can find more understanding and common ground in the New Year? I hope that as we look forward to a brand-new, not-yet-totally-scewed-up Year that we can all do our best not to mess this one up as badly as we have in 2005. And yes, we all have messed it up in our own way. Me included... Jerry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: leftydee Date: 20 Dec 05 - 08:23 PM Well said, Mick! Merry Christmas to you...... and to all you other 'Catters too. The Lefty household is sure to celebrate another year with hopes for peace and love. I'll raise my glass to you all! Bob |
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Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: CarolC Date: 20 Dec 05 - 08:50 PM Actually, there would be a holiday. But without the "Christ" part, it would probably still be known by it's Pagan name, "Yule" (and Solstice, etc). Happy whatever you want. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: Amos Date: 20 Dec 05 - 09:26 PM Average temperatures in our home town from January through Decembr ad annual average: 2001 54.73 54.84 58.87 58.53 63.63 67.57 68.98 69.58 68.23 66.32 61.35 55.45 62.34 2002 55.65 57.48 57.65 59.52 61.82 64.68 67.82 68.82 70.03 64.21 63.42 56.76 62.32 2003 61.66 59.02 60.26 59.87 62.37 64.18 70.00 72.69 69.85 67.71 60.78 56.92 63.78 2004 56.82 56.67 62.61 64.37 68.47 67.82 72.03 70.79 72.63 65.34 60.07 57.74 64.61 2005 58.79 59.82 60.97 61.80 65.44 66.38 69.92 71.02 68.50 65.85 62.82 57.70 p 64.66 Merry Christmas; "they also serve who only stand and freeze". (Archibald MacLeish) A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: GUEST Date: 21 Dec 05 - 03:52 AM The impersonal pronoun "it", when in the possessive, does not take an apostrophe. Meery Christmas |
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Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: Zany Mouse Date: 21 Dec 05 - 04:11 AM I just wanted to point out that it seems a tad odd that Nina posted her very Christian message on the first day of YULE, rather than the 25th. Have a wonderful over-commercialised Christian concept of a Pagan festival, everyone. Rhiannon |
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Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: *daylia* Date: 21 Dec 05 - 07:54 AM Have a wonderful over-commercialised Christian concept of a Pagan festival, everyone. Why don't I let this idea ruin my holidays anymore? 1. No one owns the seasons, or the reasons to celebrate. No one ever did. I'm free to celebrate whenever, however and Whomever I like. The Oak King/Holly King thing is just fine by me. So is Jesus. I love 'em all! 2. No one dictates how I decide to honour the season (or not). In the past when the commercialism really got to me I'd leave the TV off, stay away from the malls, and make my own gifts. This year, I'm finding that it doesn't bother me one way or the other. OThers seem to enjoy it -- so live and let live. I do as I please anyway, why get all negative? 3. Any excuse for a holiday, for a party, for getting together with significant others and exchanging gifts and good cheer, for helping those less fortunate is just fine by me too! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Merry Christmas!! From: Big Mick Date: 21 Dec 05 - 08:15 AM Zany Mouse/Rhiannon, I would just like to point out that your smug remark is not correct. The commercialization is not Christian. That is just society. I find very little Christian about the madness. Mick |
