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BS: How can we help make the Cat run better?

GUEST 08 Jan 06 - 02:46 PM
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JohnInKansas 08 Jan 06 - 03:19 AM
Peace 07 Jan 06 - 10:52 PM
bobad 07 Jan 06 - 10:49 PM
GUEST 07 Jan 06 - 10:44 PM
Peace 07 Jan 06 - 10:19 PM
Bert 07 Jan 06 - 09:34 PM
Peace 07 Jan 06 - 08:43 PM
GUEST,Rabbit 07 Jan 06 - 07:40 PM
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GUEST 07 Jan 06 - 05:58 PM
Mr Red 06 Jan 06 - 08:21 PM
jacqui.c 06 Jan 06 - 04:50 PM
number 6 06 Jan 06 - 04:03 PM
Clinton Hammond 06 Jan 06 - 04:01 PM
Bert 06 Jan 06 - 03:19 PM
Clinton Hammond 06 Jan 06 - 02:44 PM
kendall 06 Jan 06 - 02:24 PM
Amos 06 Jan 06 - 01:04 AM
GUEST,.gargoyle 06 Jan 06 - 12:07 AM
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GUEST,Lyrical Lady 05 Jan 06 - 10:36 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: How can we help make the Cat run better?
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Jan 06 - 02:46 PM

Why not just use nothing but our real names?

Now who's being paranoid? This post is from a nameless guest. There is a world of difference between this and one from a made up name. Look at this thread you know who has posted in the main, altho' they are made up names.

You may want your name splattered on the www, but don't assume we can all be free with our personal details.


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Subject: RE: BS: How can we help make the Cat run better?
From: kendall
Date: 08 Jan 06 - 02:32 PM

I don't see much difference between guest and some made up name. Why not just use nothing but our real names? That would cut way down on the personal attacks, and it would run the paranoids off.


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Subject: RE: BS: How can we help make the Cat run better?
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Jan 06 - 09:27 AM

True but it's not long been rebooted. Look at the post list. There is about a 5 hr gap in the BS section.


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Subject: RE: BS: How can we help make the Cat run better?
From: s&r
Date: 08 Jan 06 - 09:19 AM

less than one minute

Stu


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Subject: RE: BS: How can we help make the Cat run better?
From: s&r
Date: 08 Jan 06 - 09:19 AM

That fast - sent message, reloaded and sent message all in ...

Stu


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Subject: RE: BS: How can we help make the Cat run better?
From: s&r
Date: 08 Jan 06 - 09:18 AM

My subjective impression in that the 'cat is running better than for some months. It seems that when it's slow, the page still loads most of the time if you wait for it. For me however it's fast most of the time - perhaps the time of day?

It's a valuable resource to a lot of people - the breadth of knowledge and experience of many of the regular posters is unmatched in my experience. So there are a few stupid or malicious posters but a small proportion of the whole.

Stu


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Subject: RE: BS: How can we help make the Cat run better?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 08 Jan 06 - 03:19 AM

Yesterday afternoon the 'cat got a bit slow, as it does sometimes; but after taking a break I found it back to about as good as it gets. I also perceived that "something looked a bit different."

The difference probably was just from my poking around elsewhere, and possibly resetting my own display, but casting a glance around on the cat I found that Member Photos were no longer double listed!.

Has something really changed?

I'm afraid to go back and look again. It might have been a fluke!

John


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Subject: RE: BS: How can we help make the Cat run better?
From: Peace
Date: 07 Jan 06 - 10:52 PM

"I agree. Good idea."             'LOLOLOL'


"If everyone just STFU there would be no problem."    '         '


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Subject: RE: BS: How can we help make the Cat run better?
From: bobad
Date: 07 Jan 06 - 10:49 PM

If everyone just STFU there would be no problem.


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Subject: RE: BS: How can we help make the Cat run better?
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Jan 06 - 10:44 PM

I agree. Good idea.


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Subject: RE: BS: How can we help make the Cat run better?
From: Peace
Date: 07 Jan 06 - 10:19 PM

How can we help make the Cat run better?

Get rid of the GUEST label. Don't allow GUEST posters. Post under your 'name' or don't post. GUESTS wanna look, let 'em. But no posts.


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Subject: RE: BS: How can we help make the Cat run better?
From: Bert
Date: 07 Jan 06 - 09:34 PM

Ok GUEST of 05:58

What does your site look like?


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Subject: RE: BS: How can we help make the Cat run better?
From: Peace
Date: 07 Jan 06 - 08:43 PM

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Uh, no . . . . What's a peckered ildo?


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Subject: RE: BS: How can we help make the Cat run better?
From: GUEST,Rabbit
Date: 07 Jan 06 - 07:40 PM

Have you never heard of a peckerdildo Bruce?


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Subject: RE: BS: How can we help make the Cat run better?
From: Peace
Date: 07 Jan 06 - 07:38 PM

"who am I to cast aspersions on their pecadillos?"

I am not so sure I want to enquire about the meaning of this.


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Subject: RE: BS: How can we help make the Cat run better?
From: GUEST
Date: 07 Jan 06 - 05:58 PM

Gosh that's one cluttered site!


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Subject: RE: BS: How can we help make the Cat run better?
From: Mr Red
Date: 06 Jan 06 - 08:21 PM

If I read it properly GUEST - who has been entreated to set up his own forum - has.

FWIW I choose links on my site very carefully and the Mudcat is one I wear proudly.

As for registration - it doesn't keep out comments I find un-necessary. They are part of life (low though it may seem at times) and the benefit is that naive novices can have their say. WE choose to read them and we can choose not to respond or engage. Which is the way to deal with "names" that have to have their say and the last one at that. Don't bother Clinton - I will be most happy not to read your repost and won't reply. Which is far more irritating to those that must have the last hollow word. But if it pleases their little hearts - who am I to cast aspersions on their pecadillos?

Long live the 'Cat and thanx to Sir Max for sticking with it. My appreciation is coming from a similar - if far more modest place.

if you must throw tomatoes - please take them out of the tin............


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Subject: RE: BS: How can we help make the Cat run better?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 06 Jan 06 - 04:50 PM

number 6 - comes down to it, although the site is used worldwide, it is an American site, created and run by a very generous American.

However, I would have thought that the libel laws were similar in most of the countries where Mudcatters reside. Common courtesy, of course doesn't seem to be as widespread as most of us would like.


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Subject: RE: BS: How can we help make the Cat run better?
From: number 6
Date: 06 Jan 06 - 04:03 PM

"This is America"

I thought it was the World Wide Web .... uniting all of us from all over.

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: How can we help make the Cat run better?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 06 Jan 06 - 04:01 PM

"the best site on the internet "

HA!

The site has little to do with why I'm here... It's got more to do with certain people...


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Subject: RE: BS: How can we help make the Cat run better?
From: Bert
Date: 06 Jan 06 - 03:19 PM

Hey Amos, I did say "I doubt" ;-) But thanks for the info.

However it takes more than just one server. It takes work and time and payment for the bandwidth. If Max had enough money he would put it to improving everything he could.

So hang in there guys, this is still the best site on the internet despite the performance problems. Otherwise we'd all be elsewhere.


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Subject: RE: BS: How can we help make the Cat run better?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 06 Jan 06 - 02:44 PM

"This is America. "

It isn't here... or from where a LOT of people post to Mudcat...


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Subject: RE: BS: How can we help make the Cat run better?
From: kendall
Date: 06 Jan 06 - 02:24 PM

This is America. We have freedom of expression but it does not extend to slander or libel. Just a word to the wise.

Also, there is another freedom; for the eternal malcontents, bugger off!


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Subject: RE: BS: How can we help make the Cat run better?
From: Amos
Date: 06 Jan 06 - 01:04 AM

Bert:

You are mistaken. The sales of the Mudcat CD Series, which Dick Greenhaus sells still, made enough to buy the Mudcat a new server; and so it did.

Performance greatly improved at that time; there was some sort of unfortunate massive crash which set us all back some. But as I have said before, the current server is very fast and goes down a lot less often than the Cat has during its worst periods.

I would mention that the Cat is serving an exponntially greater number of posts and gets than it did in 1999-2000, and drawing from a huge database of records for queries. Yet none of this has cost any of us any more than we were happy to vilunteer. SUch a deal. May your life be full of such wonders!


A


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Subject: RE: BS: How can we help make the Cat run better?
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 06 Jan 06 - 12:07 AM

Make backups - for spaces between the WayBack Machine.

The Yanks may have won the war....but the Brits are bringing the MC and DT to its knees.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle


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Subject: RE: BS: How can we help make the Cat run better?
From: Bert
Date: 05 Jan 06 - 11:37 PM

'And the problems never get fixed.' That's 'cos they don't get ENOUGH money!!!

I doubt if Max has received enough in the last 9 years to even buy one server let alone the staff to run it for 9 years.

Those of you who haven't got receipts. Max spends most of his time trying to keep this place running (and that's apart from his job and ppersonal life). He doesn't always have time to keep up with the paperwork.

So those who have sent money - on behalf of Max, and without any authority whatsoever - "Thanks - It is appreciated."


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Subject: RE: BS: How can we help make the Cat run better?
From: number 6
Date: 05 Jan 06 - 10:41 PM

Old timers ?? ... as if we are kids?

sIx


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Subject: RE: BS: How can we help make the Cat run better?
From: GUEST,Lyrical Lady
Date: 05 Jan 06 - 10:36 PM

The cat will run better when we get Spaw back! Things were so much fun when he was a regular poster. I miss the old timers!
B


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Subject: RE: BS: How can we help make the Cat run better?
From: Peace
Date: 05 Jan 06 - 10:17 PM

I really like the Mudcat.


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Subject: RE: BS: How can we help make the Cat run better?
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 05 Jan 06 - 09:39 PM

I'd like to know whether threads like the MOAB have a noticable effect on performance, bandwidth, etc, etc.

You know MS SQLServer better than me Dave and I think I made comments on this once before but there does seem as if there is a weekness in all but the latest (which I did read somewhere has and alternative approach but I doubt MC has) with this program when compared to other databases like MySQL for paging as they lack an equivilant of SELECT OFFSET LIMIT (see here for example).

I would guess that serving the full thread would have a negative impact on the system and obviously is serving a lot of bandwidth for a page but there seem to me questionmarks over even serving the 50 per page.

The worst case scenario I'd guess would be an implemtation (eg 1. in the comments on the bottom of the link I gave) which passed the full whatever thousand record dataset from the database server onto the script and then have the script somehow access and process the appropriate 50. I'm not sure if MC adopts that sort of method or not.


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Subject: RE: BS: How can we help make the Cat run better?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 05 Jan 06 - 04:05 PM

Ya... whatever Gnu....


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Subject: RE: BS: How can we help make the Cat run better?
From: gnu
Date: 05 Jan 06 - 03:53 PM

Clinton. Truth? The real truth might kick your ass in a court of law, bucky. Better duck and cover yer ass. Those are words of advice, not meant to admonish. Admonish is too kind for you after what you said.


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Subject: RE: BS: How can we help make the Cat run better?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 05 Jan 06 - 03:38 PM

Then someone doesn't know me very well at all...

Wazza matter gnu? Truth hurt?


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Subject: RE: BS: How can we help make the Cat run better?
From: GUEST,Ban the Ginger Whinger
Date: 05 Jan 06 - 03:29 PM

Clinton somebody who knows you said you were nicer before your car wreck, all I can say is it must have been some accident to turn you into the asshole you now are.


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Subject: RE: BS: How can we help make the Cat run better?
From: gnu
Date: 05 Jan 06 - 01:55 PM

Clinton. That was beyond low down and dirty... all the way to libel.


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Subject: RE: BS: How can we help make the Cat run better?
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Jan 06 - 12:18 PM

By starting fewer threads like this

Sheeeeesh!!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: How can we help make the Cat run better?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 05 Jan 06 - 12:16 PM

"the very server"

The one that crashes all the time?!?! Ya... that was money well spent eh...


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Subject: RE: BS: How can we help make the Cat run better?
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Jan 06 - 12:12 PM

I don't imagine some of you will believe this, but I know it to be true: the very server by way of which you are currently carrying on this conversation was purchased with funds donated to the Mudcat. I know this because I have been among the few major benefactors over the years.

Receipt? You need a receipt? You are using your bloody receipt right here, right now!


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Subject: RE: BS: How can we help make the Cat run better?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 05 Jan 06 - 12:03 PM

"Those that feel that they ain't getting a fair shake for their money"

Mudcat is worth EXACTLY the amount of money I've tossed into Max's beer fund... There's NO resaon why if this place NEEDS money, it can't generate it itself with adds and such...

"Guest 05 Jan 06 - 08:29 AM"
1) If your IP was blocked in any real way, you wouldn't be able to access the site at all... So I doubt that IPs CAN be blocked...

Other than that Guest is 100% dead-nuts on the mark....

"We will continue to support the Mudact"
Would that such were true... All you're supporting is Max's Beer Fund... Nice scam really

If yer o.k. with that, bully for you... what you do with your money is none of my business... just don't try to claim it's doing something it's not


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Subject: RE: BS: How can we help make the Cat run better?
From: MaineDog
Date: 05 Jan 06 - 09:33 AM

Woof! I can make any cat run better! Just turn me loose ...
Woof!


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Subject: RE: BS: How can we help make the Cat run better?
From: Fullerton
Date: 05 Jan 06 - 09:26 AM

I donated a few bob a while ago.

A receipt would have been nice, but unfortunately it didn't happen.

I'll probably donate again sometime.

Maybe I'll get a receipt then. Just for my own peace of mind about the transaction.


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Subject: RE: BS: How can we help make the Cat run better?
From: The Villan
Date: 05 Jan 06 - 09:18 AM

One of the things that may help would be for all members to look at there PM's and delete all the ones that are no longer useful.
Then copy and paste all other pm messages to a word document and save it.
Then delete the remaining PM's.

I have to admit to being very lazy with deleting my pm's and they sure do mount up.
I am now going through them little by little to remove them all.

The other thing, is how long are normal threads kept by Mudcat?
Most threads are worthless after a certain time and must be taking up a huge amount of unescesary storage, which must affect processing as well.
    Deleting or archiving personal messages might make your personal page load a bit quicker, but that's about it. Deleted messages stay in the Mudcat database, but they are accessible only by certain administrative people - not by the regular Clones. All the personal and Forum messages posted over the 9-year history of Mudcat are still there, and they take up only a few gigabytes of space - almost every hard drive on the market today can hold the entire Mudcat database.
    But yes, I have to say that we aren't satisfied with the reliability of Mudcat, either. We're doing what we can; but so far, that hasn't been enough. Still, somehow we've survived for 9 years - I think that's a pretty good accomplishment.
    -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: How can we help make the Cat run better?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 05 Jan 06 - 09:00 AM

I'm in total agreement with you gnu. Those that feel that they ain't getting a fair shake for their money should a) go elsewhere or b)start their own site.

In comparison to the cost of cable, a paperback book or a night out the enjoyment quotient from the 'Cat is very good value for the contribution that Kendall and I have made.

We will continue to support the Mudact and say thankyou to the likes of Max, Pene, Joe et al for their voluntary and unpaid work in keeping it rolling along.

I will be putting another shawl in the auction before too long and all proceeds will go to the fund.


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Subject: RE: BS: How can we help make the Cat run better?
From: GUEST,G
Date: 05 Jan 06 - 08:44 AM

Amen, gnu!


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Subject: RE: BS: How can we help make the Cat run better?
From: gnu
Date: 05 Jan 06 - 08:38 AM

So... as has been also said many times, go start your own site.


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Subject: RE: BS: How can we help make the Cat run better?
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Jan 06 - 08:29 AM

As long as there has been a Mudcat, there have been "issues" which Max, Joe, et al ALWAYS claim can only be fixed by them, and no one else can help. Except by sending money. And the problems never get fixed.

And Clinton, Max certainly knows how to block an ISP--he has blocked mine for saying what I just said in the above paragraph. You see, that is the only TRUE sin you can commit here--pointing out the fact that Max collects the money, does whatever the fuck he wants with it, never so much as acknowledges, much less thanks the people who donate, and then never resolves the reliability problems that have plagued this site for years.

And before all of you claim "how would you know guest, you probably never donated a dime"--I have. That is how I know whereof I speak.

Clinton is right. Money donated here is as good as flushing it, but it makes a few people here feel better about themselves, so they do it. What is needed is a new site owner who is dedicated to bringing the site up to snuff. Max is not that person.


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Subject: RE: BS: How can we help make the Cat run better?
From: gnu
Date: 05 Jan 06 - 06:09 AM

Ya can't run a race horse on hey, see what Ah'm sayin?

If ya take oats from the farmer down the road ta feed yer horse, the farmer's gonna wanna ride it, see what Ah'm sayin?

If ya try ta ride a bronc without a saddle, yer gonna bet bucked, see what Ah'm sayin?

This is PHIL-osophy 101 peeeple, plain and simple. Ya see what Ah'm sayin, dontcha?

And... of course.... Y'all are beatin a dead horse. Ya kin lead a horse ta water but..... shut up Phil.


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Subject: RE: BS: How can we help make the Cat run better?
From: DMcG
Date: 05 Jan 06 - 04:32 AM

I'd like to know whether threads like the MOAB have a noticable effect on performance, bandwidth, etc, etc. I don't like the idea that single careless or malicious click puts (a guess here) a 0.5Mb load on the network for everyone.


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Subject: RE: BS: How can we help make the Cat run better?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 05 Jan 06 - 04:22 AM

what are the issues you need to resolve, can we help?


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Subject: RE: BS: How can we help make the Cat run better?
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 05 Jan 06 - 02:52 AM

"How can we help make the Cat run better?"

Dedication goes further than money....


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