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BS: Noted without comment (2)

dick greenhaus 18 Jan 06 - 02:57 PM
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Subject: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 02:57 PM

WOMAN IN AUDIENCE: 'I don't really understand. How is the new plan going to fix the problem?'

Verbatim response: PRESIDENT BUSH:

'Because the -- all which is on the table begins to address the big cost drivers. For example, how benefits are calculated, for example, is on the table. Whether or not benefits rise based upon wage increases or price increases. There's a series of parts of the formula that are being considered. And when you couple that, those different cost drivers, affecting those -- changing those with personal accounts, the idea is to get what has been promised more likely to be -- or closer delivered to that has been promised. Does that make any sense to you? It's kind of muddled. Look, there's a series of things that cause the -- like, for example, benefits are calculated based upon the increase of wages, as opposed to the increase of prices. Some have suggested that we calculate -- the benefits will rise based upon inflation, supposed to wage increases. There is a reform that would help solve the red if that were put into effect. In other words, how fast benefits grow, how fast the promised benefits grow, if those -- if that growth is affected, it will help on the red.'


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: GUEST,AR282
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 04:24 PM

Needless to say:

HUH??!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 04:27 PM

Impressive. Food for thought. Ummm.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 04:38 PM

Noted without comment.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Arne
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 04:52 PM

"I am the Preznit! I don't answer to you; you answer to me...."

Cheers,


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: gnu
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 05:17 PM

= "I'm rich. Fuck the poor... even if I don't understand how I am doing it." What an asshole... arrogant at that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Don Firth
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 06:12 PM

That explains a lot!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Desdemona
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 06:14 PM

"What a terrible thing it is to lose one's mind..."

Seriously, listening to that man makes me feel as if I've been taking crazy pills.

~D


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 06:47 PM

For maximum contrast, see the writings of Robert B. Reich. Everything I've read by him is of exemplary clarity and logic. I suppose it comes from years of teaching economics. Oh, yes, he's very liberal. And very short.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 07:00 PM

I have read that statement by Bush before. This has to be the tenth or so time I have read it. Folks, I didn't do enough of ANYthing in the 1960s to really understand what he meant. Can anyone help?


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 07:09 PM

GOT IT.

WOMAN IN AUDIENCE: 'I don't really understand. How is the new plan going to fix the problem?'

Verbatim response: PRESIDENT BUSH:

'Because the -- all which is on the table begins to address the big cost drivers [he has Dinky toys before him]. For example, how benefits are calculated, for example, is on the table [some benefits are also before him on the table]. Whether or not benefits rise based upon wage increases or price increases [wage increases and price increases are the SAME THING]. There's a series of parts of the formula that are being considered [he has a Dinky toy race car, Indie-type car before him]. And when you couple that, those different cost drivers, affecting those -- changing those with personal accounts, the idea is to get what has been promised more likely to be [pass the joint over here, Dick]-- or closer delivered to that has been promised [someone ordered a pizza]. Does that make any sense to you? It's kind of muddled. Look, there's a series of things that cause the [TAPE UNCLEAR HERE--it may have been "Pass the fu#kin' joint for the second time, SDick" or "Man. this is really good grass".]-- like, for example, benefits are calculated based upon the increase of wages, as opposed to the increase of prices. Some have suggested that we calculate -- the benefits will rise based upon inflation [imagine if you will a hot air balloon], supposed to wage increases [he missed sentence construction the day they taught it in school]. There is a reform that would help solve the red [likely a reference to Russia, they being known as reds to his Dad's generation] if that were put into effect. In other words, how fast benefits grow, how fast the promised benefits grow, if those -- if that growth is affected, it will help on the red [detente is important to world peace, so we are going to help Russia].'

OK, I understand it now. The rest of you lot, just eat yer hearts out.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 07:11 PM

Either that or he is an agent working for a foreign power (the White House I'd guess) and it is code for something. I'll have to give this more consideration.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: CarolC
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 07:15 PM

if that growth is affected, it will help on the red

Sounds like a communist plot to me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 07:25 PM

well, it's obvious that facilitating the economic transmogrifiers in a multi-platform endeavor can't reduce the monetary redundancies that confuse his more easily befuddled questioners, but why couldn't he just SAY "m'am, I don't have a clue about that shit"?


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 08:02 PM

If he'd tried to say that, Bill, it woulda come out as "m'am, I don't give a shit about that clue".


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Bobert
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 08:10 PM

Gotta hide them pretzels better...


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 08:25 PM

Bobert, put more of 'em out. Odds are . . . .


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 08:25 PM

See also here

And

here


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 11:09 PM

Aw shoot. I was hoping that Doug or Martin would pop in and wxplain this thing to me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Deda
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 11:41 PM

As usual, he's as clear as mud. Can't wait for the autopsy on his brain.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: bobad
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 08:23 AM

I think it's already been done.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 08:39 AM

what do you think?
he can't be really stupid, he's the President.
he's obviously not very good at explaining things - but you'd think that would be a requisite of the job.
did he talk like this before he got the job, perhaps its all got too much for him.

either way, an awful lot of blame must devolve upon the democrats for choosing a candidate who couldn't be more impressive than this bloke.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 12:16 PM

Just goes to show--some children should be left behind.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Col K
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 06:36 PM

To have an autopsy on his brain implies that he has one !!!!
Some people doubt that


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Once Famous
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 06:48 PM

dick Greenhaus, here's an explanation for you.

You were not there to actually witness this discussion, nor have you given any credit to where it came from and personally I trust that you interpret very little nor want to that this and many other things that do not fit into your sorry ass radical lifestyle. Must be a sad life you have just sitting around and starting threads like this.

Threads that are basically just heresay and nothing more.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Once Famous
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 06:53 PM

hearsay


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Bill D
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 07:05 PM

well, Martin, there are dozens of pages of closely documented quotes of GW making similar remarks....if it were a Democrat talking like that, I have no doubt you'd be willing to note how ridiculous they are..


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Amos
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 07:25 PM

But Martin...it's a verbatim quote...!


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 10:07 PM

well for him or against him,...its not very impressive.

I think if you feel that he's not a good hearted person, it will confirm your suspicions - if you like him, I suppose you will make allowances.

we all say dumb things, but as his job is President, this chap is supposed not to - he's supposed to be good at this sort of thing.

You're bound to think....well what else is he not very good at.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Once Famous
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 11:08 PM

Well, let's see. The economy is doing quite well and unemployment is now quite low again.

Yes, he is not that great of a speaker. But he still was able to win or keep pace with Kerry in the debates and did well enough in them. Not everyone can be a perfect speaker all of the time. Many who are usually are the best at bullshitting and lip service.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Amos
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 11:19 PM

ALL of the time? The man has never put a coherent thought into words unless his scriptwriter was there with a prompter sheet. And you know that, pal. No sense carrying hypocrisy to extremes of triviality!


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 11:26 PM

mG-
I just wanted to know what he meant. I have a deep personal concern with what's being done with Medicare. And, by the way, a direct quote isn't hearsay, regardless of what they teach journalism minors.

And, by the way, as someone who's been a registered Republican since the early 60s, I'm curious as to what you mean by my "radical lifestyle".


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Once Famous
Date: 19 Jan 06 - 11:46 PM

You have not given any credit for where your so-called direct quote is from, Gashouse. You seem to not be much of a reporter. Your post is hearsay and holds no water. It is meaningless.

Amos, you have absolutely zero proof of what you say either. Just rant/hate, rant/hate, rant/hate, rant/hate, etc.

You also are completely negative biased and cannot be taken seriously. You have no rational thought on the matter, because day after day you show how irrational you are.

So let's see what kind of swear words and childish insults you come up with next. You see, Amos. You really are not one of Mudcat's more refreshing minds. Just a tired same old, same old rant, that's all. Why don't you bail for a while, pal and not make everyday here like a rerun on TV Land?


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Deda
Date: 20 Jan 06 - 12:14 AM

Not only can GWB not string together a coherent sentence, but neither could his father. I've long thought that Yale University should lose its accreditation over the lousy way these two alumni mangle the English language. Yale has graduated a fair number of brilliant writers and speakers over the years, it should never have let these guys slip through.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 20 Jan 06 - 12:25 AM

M.Gibson-
You can check out the quote from the following Pinko Liberal Anti-American website:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/02/20050204-13.html

Furthermore, I don't recall using any swear words or personal insults in this thread, unless calling you a journalism minor counts as such. And I get your name right when I use it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Arne
Date: 20 Jan 06 - 01:33 PM

Dick Greenhaus:

You'll have to cut Martin some slack. The RW "spinners" and sycophants are having a rough time of it nowadays, and are prone to irritation at the fact their incompetency, crimes, and frauds are becoming blindingly obvious. They see the house of cards starting to tumble down, and are a bit paniced at the prospect that they will be the laughing stock for decades (if not amongst those that are imprisoned). And you'll have to excuse Martin's lack of scholarship; he's been told for quite a while that the only "truth" he needs to pay attention to comes from the likes of Limbaugh, Hannity ... and Scottie McClellan. It's rather sad, but they dug their own hole, so my sympathy for them is in somewhat sholrt supply.

Cheers,


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: CarolC
Date: 20 Jan 06 - 01:34 PM

Dick's clicky...

The White House


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Barry Finn
Date: 20 Jan 06 - 03:18 PM

He's a very poor speaker, ok. He's hard to follow & his grammer is some what below average ok, we know that too & that his command on the english langauge isn't as great as his peers but so what, doesn't mean he shouldn't speak. And it true many times he just doesn't make sense. And it's ok that he doesn't know how government works "The legislature's job is to write law. It's the executive branch's job to interpret law" (quote, Austin, Texas 11/22/00). Yes & it's ok too if he not sure of where he comes from "I was raised in the West. The west of Texas. It's close to California. In more ways than Washington, DC, is close to California." (quoted in the LA Times 4/8/00). And it's understandable while under the pressures of a debate that some statements sounds unbeliveable "I think if you know what you believe, it makes it a whole lot easier to answer questions. I can't answer your question" (in response to a question about whetherhe wished he could take back any of his answers in the 1st debate, Reynoldsburg, Ohio; 10/4/00). Yes this is all well & good & it's ok coming from a 4th grader, BUT NOT FROM THE LEADER OF OUR NATION.
Disclaimer:
All of the above quotes are exact.

Barry


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 20 Jan 06 - 03:20 PM

So the economy's doing well. Last week there was a guy on here saying that you were in squillions of debt.

that's the trouble with you Americans - you're all singing from different hymn sheets

let's hope Martin is right. If America goes into meltdown, we're all in the shit - worldwide


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Once Famous
Date: 20 Jan 06 - 04:42 PM

Dick Gashouse, the second part of my post was directed to Amos, not you regarding swear words. That is obvious if you read what I wrote and not in such a huff and puff to rant. The quote is not credible and just comes across as your far left liberal agenda. It serves no purpose except to be a subject of a rant of yours. bitching everyday like the likes of you, bobert, Arne/Acne, and a few others do has not solved any problems, just shows how much you hate one man.

Acne, I mean Arne, I do not listen to Limbaugh or Hannity. I do not need to for good info on who the old doper hippie misfits are. You come through as one loud and clear. Isn't it time you got lilly high again and pretended you were in 1969 or something? Far out, Arne. the revolution will not be televised. Neither will your life or comments. The plot is way too thin and is a rerun.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Arne
Date: 20 Jan 06 - 05:07 PM

Martin Gibson:

Acne, I mean Arne,...

Whatcha gonna do when I don't cry, Martin? Go home to your momma and tell her that someone's being mean to you?

I do not listen to Limbaugh or Hannity.

Then you're in even worse shape that I imagined. It's clear you don't actually read any of the fewer and fewer credible sources of news. All well and fine with me, Martin, you can go back to your Weekly Reader now.

As for the rest of your ad hominem dribble, I'd say you'd be better served learning to click on blue clickies and typing in words in the Google search box than in continuing to attempt to insult me. Is that clear?

One thing of note: You seem to have dismissed the Dubya quote as being so egregious ("The quote is not credible") that it had to have been manufactured. I'd say that if it came as a surprise to you, you certainly haven't been paying attention. But now that you know, maybe time for a re-evaluation of your assumptions, eh?

Cheers,


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: CarolC
Date: 20 Jan 06 - 05:34 PM

I am one hundred percent in agreement with Martin Gibson's assessment of the source Dick Greenhaus has given for the Bush quote in his opening post in this thread. That website definitely has zero credibility.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 20 Jan 06 - 05:47 PM

OMIGOD!

Now that we have destroyed the credibility of the independence of Teribus, the Bush Regime has employed the 'Mudcat Voice of Reason' Martin Gibson to terrify us 'dangerous intellectuals'!


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Peace
Date: 20 Jan 06 - 07:59 PM

The trouble with what President Bush said is that, well, the economic indicators of the red are, you know--if they were where the black should be and would be if the red wasn't, then in a few years we could look forward to a backward glance and see the red not there.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Amos
Date: 20 Jan 06 - 08:01 PM

ROTFLMAO, Peace.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Arne
Date: 20 Jan 06 - 09:06 PM

CarolC:

I am one hundred percent in agreement with Martin Gibson's assessment of the source Dick Greenhaus has given for the Bush quote in his opening post in this thread. That website definitely has zero credibility.

LOL!!! But ... be careful. The likes of Martin who haven't learned to click blue clickies yet may take your comments to heart, and think they're vindicated. Yes, it can be a problem trying to poke fun at those too stoopid to know they've been skewered. Alas. But don't feel too bad; they already have a terrible burder to bear.

Cheers,


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: CarolC
Date: 20 Jan 06 - 09:20 PM

I didn't hoist him. It was his own petard. I just took a moment to enjoy the effect.

;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Ron Davies
Date: 20 Jan 06 - 10:31 PM

"Martin"--

"Anus and Acne"--that's right, Martin, let's dehumanize our opponents. So, let's see now--who's famous for that? Well, look at that, Martin has adopted Nazi tactics. Gee, I thought you were against such things. Guess I was wrong.

On the other hand, nobody has to dehumanize you, Martin--you do a sterling job of it yourself. Congratulations.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Once Famous
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 12:16 AM

Ron Davies, I know when I have succeeded in irritating you when all you can do is come back and accuse me of being a Nazi. It's like, what else is there you can come back with.

You like all cowards, can sure dish it out but can't take it, Ronny baby. You are quite the whiner and of course quite the modeler of the best in pantywear. No shit, I got something like 8 or 10 PMs from some pretty cool people who can't get over how clever Anus and Acne is.

(radio voice) Now playing on the Mudcat National Network, the adventures of Anus and Acne. Two far left, angry left wing nuts with on-going anger and rant about how they hate their country's President and government. In tonight's action packed episode, Kingfish Ron Davies is forced to have coffee at Starbucks.

Carol C, you and Osama are in the same category when it comes to trusting what you both say. I sure don't. Never have, never will.

Having fun and laughing my ass off at you old dopers!


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Don Firth
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 12:43 AM

Well, I hate to say it, but it's fairly easy to see why Marty is "having fun and laughing my ass off." He's got you all focusing your attention on him. The comments and insults he dishes out amply demonstrate that he doesn't have anything substantive to add to the discussion. He's like a barking dog who wants attention.

Ignore him and get on with the discussion.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: CarolC
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 12:46 AM

Nevertheless, you might want to have a look in Dick's link. I've provided a clicky for it in my 20 Jan 06 - 01:34 PM post. It's the website of the White House. (You know, where the president of the United States lives). You have said, here in this thread, that the White House's website is not credible.

(Quick... somebody alert the FBI.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Once Famous
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 12:57 AM

Don, this is not a discussion and I don't believe it ever will be one.

This is just hate against the President like it always is.

Hate by you, hate by the bobert types, and hate by our two great stars here, Anus and Acne. Anus and Acne, starring Amos and Arne.

This is the Mudcat hate the President web-site. That's all it is.

It is really quite the radical liberal cess-pool full of the lowest form of political activists. Whiners.

The attention is not on me, Don. It's really on you. And it's pretty fucked up.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Amos
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 01:06 AM

Correction; this is disdain for ineptitude. Bush' in talking like a hick out of out-house training, and yours for not recognizing his natural voice when you hear it.

A.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Once Famous
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 01:10 AM

No, Amos it's your disdain for everything Bush does, that's all.

It's just your daily mindset and your daily rant.

It's your total lifestyle and your existence on Mudcat.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 08:03 AM

Marty, I have to agree with you - this is not a discussion and I don't believe it ever will be one.

This is just hate against the mudcatters you are too stupid to understand the intellectual processes of.

Your mirth is evidence of your intellectual incapacity.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: freda underhill
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 08:14 AM

As you can possibly see, I have an injury myself — not here at the hospital, but in combat with a cedar. I eventually won. The cedar gave me a little scratch. As a matter of fact, the Colonel asked if I needed first aid when she first saw me. I was able to avoid any major surgical operations here, but thanks for your compassion, Colonel." —George W. Bush, after visiting with wounded veterans from the Amputee Care Center of Brooke Army Medical Center, San Antonio, Texas, Jan. 1, 2006


"I think we are welcomed. But it was not a peaceful welcome." —George W. Bush, defending Vice President Dick Cheney's pre-war assertion that the United States would be welcomed in Iraq as liberators, NBC Nightly News interview, Dec. 12, 2005

"Those who enter the country illegally violate the law." —George W. Bush, Tucson, Ariz., Nov. 28, 2005


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Ron Davies
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 10:32 AM

Sorry, Martin--dehumanizing opponents was a favorite Nazi tactic--and is obviously a favorite of yours. The shoe fits---perfectly.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Once Famous
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 11:17 AM

Wrong, Ron. Dead wrong. It is is just a feeble attempt on your part. I get dehumanized everyday here by your type and when you get it back, you cry Nazi. Bush gets it everyday by the liberal/socialist Nazis like yourself and I get it also along with the other brave ones here who don't buy your crap.

Quite the reversal. Take a look at the dehumanizing, gas chamber tactics that you and Amos, and Foolestroupe and others use here to anyone who truly does not agree with you. Your self-described master-race of Mudcat is the example of the backlash of that mindset that your liberal community faces in America now and in recent years. It is why you and your self-serving agendas aren't and cannot be taken seriously.

So, while I am not up to criticizing our leaders and government on a daily basis just to come across as a socialist activist, I do find it amusing and quite entertaining to point the finger at the ungreatful and shallow ones who do who pose as intellectuals in their own mind only, like yourself, Ron.

With no respect to you and happy in America,

Martin Gibson


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Arne
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 12:35 PM

'Martn Gibsun':

No, Amos it's your disdain for everything Bush does, that's all.

You seem fixated on the fact that we seem to find fault in everything that Dubya does. You might have a point that we were being unduly negative and only looking to pick on him ... if it weren't for the fact that Dubya's been a Miserable Failure in everything he's ever attempted. As Molly Ivins said, he's the first Texas Oilman to never have found oil in Texas. His string of mediocrity -- if not outright and disastrous failures -- is legendary.

You want us to sing Dubya's praises, then just tell us one thing in his whole miserable life that he's managed to do right (and cheerleading at Yale doesn't count for much).

Cheers,


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Once Famous
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 12:40 PM

I would say he grew up to be President.

Or is that way to much for you to understand? His life seems hardly miserable. At least you have the balls to admit your obsessive fixations and hate.

Now, really. How miserable is your life that makes it so filled with obsessiveness and hate on a daily basis. Hate for a leader and more than half of the country who elected him?

Chairs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Arne
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 03:06 PM

I would say he grew up to be President.

Strangely enough, though, not by will of the people. As for his ascennsion, that had more to do with the power plays (and nasty tricks) of the Republicans than it did with his own capabilties.

His life seems hardly miserable.

You'd have to ask him about that (although he seems rather churlish and hagggard nowadays ... when he's not sporting new bruises, scrapes, and other marks of having fallen down). But his record is certainly miserable. While not the greatest failure, I'd note that it was he that was at the helm (and doe-struck and clueless for seven minutes) while the single greatest terrorist attack on the United States was accomplished.

At least you have the balls to admit your obsessive fixations and hate.

You misspelled "disdain and utter lack of respect".

Hate for a leader and more than half of the country who elected him?

Ummm, "more than half of the country" didn't elect him. As for the second election, I'd point out that in the wake of the 9/11 bombings (for reasons that I understand but find irrational), Dubya was a "favourite" and considered a shoo-in for the next election. People tend to rally around the "leaders" in times of trouble and uncertainty, and Dubya's ratings were stratospheric. Of course, when it came down to actually doing something in response to 9/11, Dubya found way after way to bollix things up royally, to the point that he was reduced to proxy sliming of his opponent in 2004 just to barely squeak through. Since then, of course, as more and more comes out about how bad his maladministration is, his ratings have plummeted even more, and now over half the country thinks he shold be impeached if he broke the law (which he quite certainly did in many things not the least of which is illegal wiretapping).

"Brownie, you're doing a hck of a job." -- words that should be engraved on Dubya's tomb ... after he's passed on to whatever circle of Hell is reserved for those that throw the lives of thousands of youngsters away for their own private glorification and ends.

Cheers,


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Ron Davies
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 03:16 PM

Martin--you only get dehumanized if you allow it to happen. Happens every day?--says a lot about you.

As I said, nobody actually needs to do it to you--you've mastered the art of doing it to yourself. And very impressively, I must say.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: CarolC
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 03:36 PM

"proxy sliming"

I like that one. I might have to steal it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Ron Davies
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 03:44 PM

It's true--"proxy sliming" is in fact W's modus operandi. And it works like a charm. That phrase is bound to come in handy in future discussions.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: CarolC
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 04:46 PM

They all do it, Ron. Although I have to admit, the Republicans, under the guidance of people like Karl Rove, have done it much more masterfully than most others.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 06:21 PM

"I get dehumanized everyday here by your type"

There is a psychological term for people who enjoy being hurt and will not walk away from the source, mate. It describes a sickness that needs treatment, the first step of which is to walk away from the alleged sources of your problem.

The more loquacious language Marty is now using, as in the rest of that post suggests that he is now sitting at the desk previously occupied by Terribus, having been engaged by the Bush Regime to be the replacement 'Proxy Slimer'.


"It's the same old story. Everywhere I go, I get slandered, libelled: I hear words I never heard in the Bible"

:-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 08:04 PM

this is crazy ....of course he's successful, he's the President.

you don't have to like him, but it argues having gained a degree of advancement in the world.

like some of these musicians with major recording contracts - they may sound horrid - but in worldly terms, they're successful.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Arne
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 08:16 PM

this is crazy ....of course he's successful, he's the President.

Ummm, you looked at our country lately? Arentcha glad Dubya managed to turn things around and bring the country back out of its long national nightmare of peace and prosperity?

But I'd point out (once again) that Dubya's ascension was hardly of his doing; he was anointed. Not to mention appointed ... by his buddies on the Supreme Court.

Cheers,


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Arne
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 08:31 PM

Speaking of the State if the Union, there's this to cogitate on.... Do check it out, if by some chance you think that -- even if the economy sucks, the national debt is stratospheric, our civil liberties are doing down the crapper, poverty is on the rise, schools are not getting funded, and various other sundry indicators of a country going to pot -- at least we're more "secure" with Commander Codpiece in charge (even though his "Mission Accomplished" was a load'o'crapola...).

Cheers,


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Once Famous
Date: 21 Jan 06 - 11:09 PM

Yes, Acne/Arne I look at my country every day and I love living here and am glad you probably don't. You are sour grapes and if I am not mistaken thye supreme court did not annoint him the last time. So I guess you have just under three years more to live in the misery you are in. So keep whining. I'll keep working hard and living.

Sad for you that I feel this way, but I really could give a flying fuck what a doper like you thinks anyway. Bush's term will end and then you and your whiners will complain about whoever is next elected anyway. Must be a miserable exiswtence you have. Making little if any money, taking out your frustration with your laziness on an Internet forum, and blaming just about everyone else except yourself.

YOUR IMAGE IS OBVIOUS!

Basically, very few care what you and your type think, anyway.

Ron Davies, and the rest of the ones who followed my last post. Your comments are basically meaningless and really I do not care at all what you think about America, myself, or your morbid little lives. You can gang up on me all you want. You are just pissing in the wind, and it's blowing back in your direction.

Again, you really accomplish nothing and it's my total pleasure to tell you so. You are liberals who have none of the tolerance that you preach and can hardly be taken seriously. Especially you Ron Davies and for sure, Foolestroupe.

Mudcat's so called elite are some of folk music's biggest losers. Just about every day that is proven by how much an opinion such as mine winds you all up everyday. Why don't you channel all of your Bush hatred into some love in your own communities? Why not? Because you would rather sit on your fat, old asses in front of your computers that you probably don't even own and bitch how miserable everything is.

I choose something better than that. Too fucking bad. And lately, I have just enjoyed putting it all in that perspective for you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Arne
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 02:31 AM

'Martin Gibson':

Making little if any money, taking out your frustration with your laziness on an Internet forum, and blaming just about everyone else except yourself.

Projection, IC. So common on the RW. Along with a humongous scotoma when it comes to viewing the world.

Just about every day that is proven by how much an opinion such as mine winds you all up everyday.

Oh. Must have missed it. There was an opinion in all your ad hominem? Warn us next time, so we can spot it in all the bile and scat.

Again, you really accomplish nothing and it's my total pleasure to tell you so.

True, not much accomplished in the grand scheme of things, but we're kicking your puny a$$, 'Martin'. It's just something that begs to be done, and I won't deny a bit of satisfaction in doing it either.

Because you would rather sit on your fat, old asses in front of your computers that you probably don't even own...

No "fat ass", 'Martin'. And I'd probably whup yours. As for the computers, which one? The desktop PC, the three laptops, or the two Sun workstations? Sorry to say, only one of the laptops is not mine.

Care to make yourself more the clueless berk?

I choose something better than that [commenting on Mudcat].

Yeah, why don't you take a vacation from here and go visit Freeperville or Little Green Snotballs where you can get a nice circle jerk going and look like a (relative) intellectual luminary? I think that this is a course of action that would please everyone.

Cheers,


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 04:10 AM

I make little money.

Thank God - it doesn't mean you're a bad person.

In personal terms, a guy who gets elected President of the United States is a success.

It doesn't mean he's a successful president. Richard II was one of our longest reigning Kings, but by popular consent, he wasn't much good at the job.

You two lots of people disagree about this man. I can't see why you are so bitter about it. I bet he doesn't care about you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Ron Davies
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 07:17 AM

Martin--

So sorry to hear that you get dehumanized "every day". Tends to belie your assertions about how happy and successful you are. But that's no great revelation.


But the result is obvious.

It's also, as I said, obvious that if you get dehumanized, it's your own doing-----you, who, I suspect, even in your relentlessly middle-class existence, do not suffer overly much (except in your twisted mind)----are only dehumanized if you allow it to happen to yourself.

For somebody who complains constantly about others' criticism of various aspects of life, you certainly have mastered the art of being victimized.

It also looks like you'll never learn the difference between richly deserved criticism of your good self and anti-Semitism. However, just for starters, consider the many Jewish posters on this forum--who, for some inexplicable reason, don't always agree with you. Can't imagine why that could be. Sure is a mystery. Why don't they realize that whatever you say is automatically right, and they should stand up and salute?

You'll have to give them another copy of the script--they must have lost the first one.

But, judging by how often you play the victim, it must make you happy. And you know our only reason for existence is to make you happy.

So I wish you continued happiness.

And, as I've said before, please continue to be Mr. Bush's apologist. It's important for everybody to see how a typical Bush voter thinks.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Once Famous
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 12:54 PM

I'm not going to apologize for Bush, you moron. I am just going to keep telling you that your rants everyday are really proving nothing, Ronnie Baby, except that you have nothing better to do.

Arne/Acne same thing for you. I am not going anywhere and you can dissect my posts and analyse them any way you want to. It's apparent you also have nothing better to do.

Your real frustration came out in your post Arne/Acne. The real you just thinks about little green snotballs and saying it's my ball, you can't play. Your childishness and low self-esteem came right to the top, pal.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Amos
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 01:47 PM

Hmmm... someone's childishness sure has. But I don't think you've pegged the rtight target, Martin. You have the wonder knack for inventing the most horrific personae for others and then telling them that's the way they are. This is not only really dumb, and counter-productive, it is also intentionally insulting. But intentional insults are your specialty.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Once Famous
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 01:54 PM

No there not not Amos. I have no intentions on telling you again that you are an obsessive Mudcat ranter. You already know that. And you already know that you have been warned for making personal attacks. So find another thread to jump in and lash out at me. Again, you have nothing better to do.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: bobad
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 01:59 PM

What chutzpah that boy has.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Once Famous
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 02:07 PM

Thank you, bobad. Some call it balls, but chutzpah is just as acceptable.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 05:53 PM

People have either talent or 'stickwithitness' - it's obvious which one you have...


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Once Famous
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 06:13 PM

I would say that you have neither, foolestroupe.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 06:34 PM

Projection again...


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Once Famous
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 06:44 PM

No, fact.

You dish it out but you sure can't take it, pal.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Amos
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 06:52 PM

I don't recall any such warning, mate. But I recall you're decision to leave because someone suggested your personal attacks were getting too annoying. Projection seems to be a specialty of yours. As well as fictitious personalities for folks, you seem to have a flair for inventing fictitious timelines for them as well.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 07:00 PM

You want me to write another song about you again Marty?

I have always stood up to bullies, meet you anywhere for a physical - but I don't have the cash anymore to track you down pal.

I learnt to stand up to gutless wonders like you when I was a kid. The time the local gang was led by a certain thug who bothered me to the point where I told him to put up his fists in a ring where he couldn't run away from me; he eventually chickened out, as he realised that if he beat me to a pulp, he would be in serious trouble as he was the local Golden Gloves boxing champ. I didn't care, I'd take Mr Ali on if he insisted in abusing me like you do. You live then you die - I prefer to live with my head held high - watch 'Cool Hand Luke', mate.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Once Famous
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 07:01 PM

No, I left because I was phyically threatend with harm.

Not by you, Amos.

I came back because I do not feel threatened any longer.

I also came back because I'm a fan of watching liberal hand-wringing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 07:19 PM

"No, I left because I was physically threatened with harm. ... I came back because I do not feel threatened any longer."

I'm sure some one else will eventually oblige you if you keep on the way you do.
~~~~~~~

"I also came back because I'm a fan of watching liberal hand-wringing."

This statement confirms that you do not have the intelligence to understand the concepts that upset you, so, like all stupid bullying thuggish Fascists, you are compelled to dismiss that which you cannot understand, in order to justify to yourself you own self importance and self confidence in your own widespread ignorance.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Arne
Date: 22 Jan 06 - 11:59 PM

'Martin Gibson" sez:

I still say you have a problem with Jews. Either you work for one or pay rent to one.

Hmmmm. Now tell me, who here seems to have a "problem" with Jews? Is 'Martin' one of those self-loathing guys?

Cheers,


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 12:21 AM

Now here is some serious shit:

Scales of identity, like Japanese nesting dolls, are the key to adhesion of Consciousness to an "I:" structure.
All anti-social acts are rooted in a desire to free the victim from an identity he is perceived as "capable of being more than". It is like the desperate effort to shake some sense into a child, insane though it seems.
This explains the miracle of personal growth, which is, at one level, a contradiction. It is personal cleansing or releasing from identity that frees one to become, newly, the next identity outward. And
then begin again the relearning of the lessons that identity may have had to learn, which it did not, which resulted in its abandonment behind a screen of unknowing.
There are lessons only in the presence of identities.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 01:49 AM

"pay rent to one. "

Sorry dickhead, wrong again - I paid off the mortgage on my house and land.

"it's sure a lot better than walking around with the low esteem you exude."

Marty is the one with the ow esteem - he's the one vitriolically attacking others all the time!

You are the compulsive cacaphilic ranter here, mate!


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Rustic Rebel
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 02:55 PM

Dick Greenhaus did you really mean this is what you wanted from this thread?


From: dick greenhaus - PM
Date: 18 Jan 06 - 11:09 PM

Aw shoot. I was hoping that Doug or Martin would pop in and wxplain this thing to me.

This has become yet another gut-belly laugh at everyone who gets wound up about politics. Get your guns out boys.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 08:59 PM

I just posted (without comment) a direct quote from our Peerless Leader. I'm interested to note how some folks are willing to adress almost anything aside from the quote in question.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Once Famous
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 09:37 PM

Because the direct quote means very little, Dickie boy.

People make slips of the tonque, are misinterpreted, and rant everyday.

The President is only human. Like you, he makes mistakes. Like you, everything he does or says is not stupid or foolish. What's stupid or foolish is making the assumption like many do here everyday is that everything he does is.

And you are just a whiner with an anti-Bush agenda, that's all. It's not even a question of supporting everything the President does. I certainly don't. But I just don't get my rocks off everyday whining about it here. It's definately more fun to make comments on the hand-wringers themselves. You have to admit. It gets much more of a reaction from them then their posts get about their daily disatisfied rant does everyday about the President. I don't see him wasting his time defending himself. No one needs to defend him here, because in the big scheme of things, what you posted has zero impact.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 10:04 PM

Shit. And here I was, thinking that every critical and devastating word I said about GW deprived him of sleep at night...and would eventually drive him to resign the presidency and apologize abjectly to everyone for being such a massive pain in the butt.

Zero impact. Damn.

You have just deprived my life of all further meaning, Martin. I may have to end it all in some hideous way now...by freebasing mangos or something of the sort.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Peace
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 10:06 PM

Get your portrait done on black velvet before you do that thing with the mango.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Once Famous
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 10:08 PM

LOL!


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 10:09 PM

Oh, I will. A legacy like mine cannot simply be allowed to vanish into oblivion.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Once Famous
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 10:11 PM

Into the men's room, maybe.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Jan 06 - 10:17 PM

If so, let's hope it is not the men's room at the Palace Hotel...


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 24 Jan 06 - 08:46 AM

All hail Marty - the cauda mundi of Mudcat. At leat my house is paid off, your's isn't.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Arne
Date: 24 Jan 06 - 01:06 PM

'Martin Gibson':

Like you, he makes mistakes.

Far more than I do. And I admit to mine. Not to mention, my mistakes haven't cost 2200+ (and counting) young Americans their lives and a trillion plus dollars that our children are being saddled with.

Like you, everything he does or says is not stupid or foolish.

Oh, really? Name one thing. I'm partial to "Brownie, you're doing a heck of a job" myself.

Oh, and a note the grammar (I'll not bother with your spelling in other posts): I suspect you meant: "not everything he does is stupid or foolish". If you really meant what you said, that's patently false (as is evidenced by my quote proffered above).

Cheers,


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Arne
Date: 24 Jan 06 - 01:10 PM

'Martin Gibson':

It's not even a question of supporting everything the President does. I certainly don't. But I just don't get my rocks off everyday whining about it here. It's definately more fun to make comments on the hand-wringers themselves. You have to admit. It gets much more of a reaction from them then their posts get about their daily disatisfied rant does everyday about the President.

Curious that you think that criticising us is a more productive use of time than actually discussing the actions of our president and his policies. Particularly when you seme to admit that Dubya's not quite up to snuff in some areas.

Cheers,


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Arne
Date: 24 Jan 06 - 01:14 PM

'Martin Gibson':

I don't see him [Dubya] wasting his time defending himself.

Then you don't bother reading the papers or watching TV (which might explain your colossal scotoma). Care to explain why he's on the 'campaign trail' to sell his warrantless spying (despite the fact that he's not running for re-election)? Don't you think he'd be better served actually doing some preznit type work? You know, I think I'd rather have seen him on the job on Aug. 6th, 2001....

Cheers,


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Amos
Date: 24 Jan 06 - 06:25 PM

Cauda: tail: the posterior and terminal part of the abdomen; an appendage of any kind terminating the abdomen is usually called by this name. See anus. (Latin)

Mundi: of the world (Latin)

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Arne
Date: 24 Jan 06 - 06:51 PM

"Cauda mundi": "The end of the world".

A number of years ago, our administrative assistant, Gloria, was out sick one Monday. A friend of mine looked up at the whiteboard with the weekly schedule for the folks in the office, noted the "out sick" to the right of her name, held up his hands, and proclaimed "Sic transit gloria mundi".... *BA-DA-BOOM*

Cheers,


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: GUEST,Happy Birthday Mr President - I can't sing
Date: 24 Jan 06 - 07:25 PM

You Fekers and your effin spelling i do effin shakesphere


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Amos
Date: 24 Jan 06 - 08:07 PM

Actually the end of the world, in the sense of terminal cataclysm, is not the meaningof cauda mundi. More like the asshole end of the world.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Arne
Date: 24 Jan 06 - 08:18 PM

Hmmmmm. *googling*   OIC. Misspelling.

this (pictures here).

Cheers,


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 24 Jan 06 - 10:57 PM

"Cauda: tail: the posterior and terminal part of the abdomen; an appendage of any kind terminating the abdomen is usually called by this name."

"not the meaning of cauda mundi. More like the asshole end of the world."

My source said it meant "biggest prick in the world"

so I suppose that Marty really is only 'Cauda Mudcat'...


"Acne/Arne your posts are as boring as Anus/Amos."

And Marty is so obsessive about being the Cauda Mudcat that even when he gets bored (and he is always telling us that happens frequently!), he can't leave.

Now THAT's obsessive!


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: GUEST,The pits of hell
Date: 25 Jan 06 - 10:50 PM

Hey how come there was no comment about my comment. Check it out.

Guest: Your woman from the other fella.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Amos
Date: 25 Jan 06 - 10:57 PM

For my part, I made no comment because it was nearly unintelligible to me.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Ron Davies
Date: 25 Jan 06 - 11:07 PM

Sorry "Martin" ( no pun intended--perish the thought)--your claim that you left Mudcat because you were "phsically threatened with harm" is dubious. More likely, you were, so to speak, physically threatened with help (LOL).

And I can't understand why you're so mad at me, calling me a moron--perhaps you're looking in the mirror too much--and talking about my "rants" Gee, I'm not ranting in the least ,just trying to find out why you're so defensive and angry all the time,--so we can help you.

After all, I did tell you our only reason for existence is to make you happy-- and I wished you continued happiness. Don't you remember? I'm crushed. Don't you want to be happy? Better tell your shrink. And ask him if he can do anything about your terrible problem of being dehumanized "every day".   Sure sounds serious. Your existence must be a terrible burden. Just remember we're always here for you.

And please continue to defend Mr. Bush. You help him so much.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Once Famous
Date: 25 Jan 06 - 11:39 PM

I'm not defensive. I just think your politics and values leave a lot to be desired, Ron Davies. I think very little of you as a person, that's all. So you can deal with that or not.

The angry ones are the Arne's and the Amos types, along with you Ron. angry at America, angry at Bush, angry at all Republicans, angry at people whosee right through you for the losers that you are.

I am far from angry. I am disgusted. disgusted with what passes for liberal thought process like yours.

I am disgusted that some people in the folk music world are some of the biggest losers in society, like yourself and your silly little band of ranting, lunitic hand wringers, who like I say, have accomplished very little, and will continue to accomplish very little.

Take a look in the mirror. Just an old, foolish doper who is still living in the past.

It's not at all boring to call you schmucks out. I've told you before, it's somewhat entertaining. The success is all mine, because your usual diatribes are broken up every time by me and all you do then is hate me for that and end up ranting about that. You don't get it. The reaction I get from disagreeing with you is the payoff because it makes you look like the idiots and complete hypocrites that you really are.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: GUEST,Blind DRunk in Blind River
Date: 25 Jan 06 - 11:56 PM

Shut the FLIP UP!


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Once Famous
Date: 26 Jan 06 - 12:13 AM

Flip the shut up.

Up the flip shut.

The flip shut up.

Fuck off?


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Amos
Date: 26 Jan 06 - 10:03 AM

Martin, you are a wonder; not only are you fighting delusory battles, but now you are running around patting yourself on the head for delusory victories in them.

In order to win a game, you have to have some agreement, see? If no-one cares whether you play or not, and no-one notices how clever you are, and your best efforts don't change anything, it is kind of ... deluded to go around telling yourself what a winner you are.

You are one confused poopoohead, dude.


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 26 Jan 06 - 04:05 PM

Perhaps we shuld introduce Mr Gibson to Cansouth?

All together now...

"Put your fingers in your ears and go Tinga-linga-loo!"


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: GUEST,The Man with No Name
Date: 26 Jan 06 - 04:09 PM

To "call someone out" means to challenge them to physical combat. A duel of some kind. In times past this meant an encounter with swords or dueling pistols. More recently, it meant a fast-draw shoot-out in the middle of the street.

You're "calling people out" Martin Gibson? Sounds real big as you hide there anonymously at your computer.

But you don't have the guts to "call" anybody out for real.

All mouth. No backbone.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 26 Jan 06 - 04:16 PM

"I am disgusted that some people in the folk music world are some of the biggest losers in society, like yourself and your silly little band of ranting, lunitic hand wringers, who like I say, have accomplished very little, and will continue to accomplish very little."

Music is my lifelong hobby - not my income unlike Marty. Accomplishment? Never heard of you professionally Marty.

Lunatic is the correct spelling, but we'll forgive you for being too crazy to know that.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: GUEST,The Man with No Name
Date: 26 Jan 06 - 04:41 PM

You've never heard of Marty professionally? Well, maybe that's because those stalwart heroes like Marty, who wear red vests and paper hats and ask us, "Do you want fries with that?" don't get much publicity......


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 26 Jan 06 - 04:45 PM

Ya know for thread with the name 'Noted without comment', we haven't done too bad...


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Once Famous
Date: 26 Jan 06 - 06:14 PM

i never claimed it was my profession, but I do make some money at it. but it is not full-time for me, but it is more than a hobby.

But that's OK. Aamos and foolestroupe's hobby is just talking about me
There obsession with me is second only to Bush.

What a fucking joke!

As far as calling someone out, i'm calling you out, guest with no name. Put your big fat stinking ass up against your computer screen and I will put a foot in it for you.

What a stupid moron you are, dildobreath.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Amos
Date: 26 Jan 06 - 06:59 PM

Gee, Marty, here I thought you wuz gonna reform about all the bad-mouthing, you garbage-tongued skank-headed guttersnipe.

A


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: GUEST,The Man with No Name
Date: 26 Jan 06 - 08:40 PM

Looks like I rattled his cage a bit. But that's pretty easy to do. And it's easy to tell when you've gotten to him. He develops a toilet mouth and threatens violence that he knows he'll never be able to carry out--or get punched out for. While he's sitting there waiting for someone to talk into the clown's mouth, he fantasizes a lot. All of his performances are in the Carnegie Hall of his imagination.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Ron Davies
Date: 26 Jan 06 - 11:04 PM

"
"Martin"--not your real name, of course--a handy index on your courage----

You were "physically threatened with harm"?--wonderfully classic writing style--ever hear of anybody physically threatened, but not "with harm"? A bit redundant--which certainly is something you would identify with. I suspect you've experienced it more than once. Aside from that, your credibility--on anything--is, as I mentioned earlier, not the best. Sorry Martin (oops, there's that unwanted pun creeping in)--you have a problem there.

Why don't you lie down until your persecution delusions go away? Perhaps flashbacks from your 60's experiences? Your obsessions are particularly revealing--bathrooms, underwear, cross-dressing, drugs. A bit of projection, I'll warrant, and definitely arrested development--about age 4--possibly caused by the drugs. You are indeed a fascinating case.

But I assure you, as I've said before, that we're not in every shadow, planning to make you "physically threatened with harm". We're actually here to help you-since you obviously need a lot of help.

Dehumanized "every day"? Poor boy. Sounds like a serious problem. I'm afraid you'll need more help than we can give--better see a professional-----soon.

But the real problem is all your complaints sound suspiciously like whining. So---the person who most complains about others whining is himself the #1 whiner.

That's quite interesting, to say the least.

But, congratulations, "Martin", you're #1 in something-----finally.

And, as I've said before, please continue your defense of Mr. Bush. You wouldn't believe how helpful your contributions are. I'm sure he agrees fully with your brilliant observation that anybody who disagrees with him is a traitor.

But next time you may possibly want to actually read a reputable newspaper before putting your mouth in gear. Based on your command of English, I'm sure you can slog through one in 3 or 4 hours.

However long it took, it would be a refreshing change if you would do so.

At any rate, keep up the good work.

Hope to hear from you soon.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Once Famous
Date: 26 Jan 06 - 11:04 PM

Not rattled at all, Guest. Just calling you out as you suggested.

I tell you fuck off with the biggest smile on my face.

And yes, I know you just want to punch me out. Awwww, too bad. You can't. so sit there and analyze it and justify to yourself why I think you are an idiot.

amos, Guests can get it both barrels as far as I am concerned. Especially the ones who are obviously your pals.


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: Amos
Date: 26 Jan 06 - 11:58 PM

Gee, Martin ... angry talk? From you? Geee....I dunno what to think about that!


A


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: GUEST,TMwNN
Date: 27 Jan 06 - 12:59 AM

Whenever you "call out" it's whine, whine whine.......


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Subject: RE: BS: Noted without comment (2)
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 27 Jan 06 - 01:17 AM

You guys are starting to get the idea how to handle Marty Cauda Mudcat. Keep up the good work, I'm taking a holiday for my birthday.


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