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Subject: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: Once Famous Date: 29 Jan 06 - 07:44 PM In recent light of some recent threads, I would say the anti-semitic, anti-Israel, anti-Jew element is at an all-time high here. It's really pretty disgusting how this type of hate is allowed here by this group of supporters of Hamas. I think that it brings great shame to this web-site. Mr. Max Spiegel, who sounds like he could be a Jew and owns this site, apparently allows this anti-semitism to flourish here. I just don't get it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: Peace Date: 29 Jan 06 - 08:08 PM Me, I don't like anybody very much. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: Little Hawk Date: 29 Jan 06 - 08:11 PM I hate people who wear baseball caps backwards. I'm not sure if any of them are Jews or not. If so, though, I think it's a very small minority of them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: Amos Date: 29 Jan 06 - 08:16 PM That's because you don't (first of all) recognize the difference between Semites, Jews, and Israelis, which are three entirely different sets of people. Once you get those definitions cleared up, try and recognize that some folks strive for justice whenever they can do so. That includes a complete understanding of whoever is on both sides of any given issue. So, for example, CarolC brings up arguments in defense of those Palestinians displaced long ago by the establishment of Israel, out of a sense of justice, NOT out of a sense of anti-Jewishness OR anti-Semitism (which would be pretty much disliking both sides equally). The preservation of Israel is a high goal well worth pursuing; but getting a Palestinian state established which will co-exist with it on peaceable terms is also a requirement of real justice. You may believe that such a thing is not possible, but I would say the effort has to be made. As king as either Israel or the now-formative Palestinian state intend on the eradication of the other they will both be miserable on this issue. But anyway, this sort of concern is not anti-semitic, anti-Jewish or anti-anything. I wold not think it was something to be paranoid about. You yourself have probably done more harm than any of these conversations could, I think, by being a rather piss-poor ambassador. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: Peace Date: 29 Jan 06 - 08:38 PM "I hate people who wear baseball caps backwards. I'm not sure if any of them are Jews or not. If so, though, I think it's a very small minority of them." Oh, yeah? Well, I have my fire 'baseball' cap on now and it's the old fashioned way, with the visor in the front. Just to piss you off I have turned it around and the visor is now in the back. I am not Jewish, but if I was I would have done the same thing just to piss you off. This has nothing to do with being anti anything. It has to do with I have had a shitty day and I want to piss off any and everyone who likes Shatner--and I don't give a rat's ass that Shatner is Jewish. He probably couldn't find a hat big enough to fit his head, anyway. Martin, the only thing to do with anti-Jews is to tell them to fuck off. Repeatedly. With anti-Israelis, argue. With anti-Semites, again, tell them to fuck off. There are some folks you'd have to be an idiot to try to reason with. Nazis and White Supremists are two of those groups. Just tell them to fuck off. They don't understand reason anyway. As to folks who are on either the Israeli or Palestinian side fo things, they are usually worth the time in terms of argument, because they both see a version of right and wrong for one reason or other. You know damned well that I am pro Israel. Always have been. However, the screwing the Palestinians got is from many countries. Only one of those countries is Israel. The others? Try damned near ever Arab state in the mid-East. Keep that in perspective. The people who only note Israel as 'causing' the Palestinian difficulty likely do hate Jews to one degree or other. That is too bad for them. I have seen what I perceive to be varying degrees of racism here, as well as sexism (from both sexes) as well as chauvinism. But I have seen many good people post, too. Lots of good people. And one last thing: Shatner is not a great actor OR singer, FYI. OK, he's cute, but my old Labrador was cute, too. She couldn't act or sing, either. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: Once Famous Date: 29 Jan 06 - 08:42 PM You dismiss the fear of the Jews to easily Amos. We have a right to be paranoid, with Hamas and that madment from Iron ready to wipe us out. As I said in another thread, Jews are about Israel. It is a homeland for all Jews, physically and spiritually. Anti-semitism is widely recognized as the hat of Jews. Amos, your complete density on the subject makes you basically an imbecile. You rate right up there sometimes with who I am referring to in this thread. Deny it if you want, because you are programmed to. But having seen and experienced anti-semitism in my life on more than a few occasions, and you never have, I absolutely know what I am talking about here. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: Once Famous Date: 29 Jan 06 - 08:45 PM Shatner is also a Jew, BTW, Peace. The only thing wrong with your comments is that Israel and Judiasm is synonomous. Though I have never been there, I am a citizen of that country. As I said, it is my homeland, it's people and it's land are the same thing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: Bobert Date: 29 Jan 06 - 08:52 PM What's this??? Martin's 15th or 16th thread on the subject... Man, I thought I was bad about the cut 'n posters but, geeze, Martin's gfot me beat... Problem is that, like Martin's hero, every thing is either black or white... No shades of gray in Martin's world... Hey, how about the Christains who live in Isreal... Or those of Islamic Faith... The statement that Martin has made would be like some Southern Baptist sayin' the "United Sates and Southern Baptist is synonomous." How would that make a Jewish feller who lives in Chicago feel??? Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: Big Mick Date: 29 Jan 06 - 08:52 PM I know Carol and being an anti semite is not within her. She certainly is not a fan of the policies of the government of Israel. One of the flaws, however, that I have always found in her arguments is that they are based on the displacement of Palestinians by the "creation" of Israel. It always ignores the displacement of the Israelis throughout recent and ancient history. It is fair to say that there is not a more discriminated and attacked group in the world. When viewed in the light of this occurring over generations, one understands the attitude displayed. Anyone who expects the Israeli government to negotiate with a group of people dedicated to the destruction of Israel is out of touch with reality. Mick |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: number 6 Date: 29 Jan 06 - 08:54 PM MG .... I don't know whether it's anti-semitism or just plain ignorance and lack of sensitivity, probably all three. Some of the poster's here are obviously unaware that Israel is the homeland of all Jews, Israel and Judiasm is synonomous. sIx |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: Once Famous Date: 29 Jan 06 - 08:59 PM Big Mick, a perfect description of who you at first defended but then spoke the truth about when it came to being in touch with reality. She's not, Mick. And like I said and will keep saying, Israel is the soulful and spiritual home of the Jews. All Jews in the world are citizens of Israel. It is also spiritually connected to other faiths, but face it, the Star of David is on the flag. I do not see a cross or a moon and star there. Bobert, you are one big shade of gray, because you have no concept at all of what is right and what is wrong. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: Once Famous Date: 29 Jan 06 - 08:59 PM Thank you 6 for supporting what I know and others are completely ignorant about. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: Peace Date: 29 Jan 06 - 09:01 PM "The only thing wrong with your comments is that Israel and Judiasm is synonomous." To some people, yes, that's true. However not to all. I post often and you know what I think of your President. Martin, I do not think that of Americans. If I write against the policies of your country, that does not mean that I am against you as a citizen of that country. I have too many American friends ever to think that way. This is not the third axiom from Euclid's geometry: Things which are equal to the same thing are equal to each other. I do not like Hamas. I would wish their leadership be treated the way all terrorists should be treated. You know what I mean by that. However, I do not dislike Palestinians. I belong to no specific religion, so I have no ax to grind in that regard. (As I told you once before, decades ago I considered conversion to Judaism.) The problem here and now is that many people do have a dislike of Israel's policies yet harbour no hatred for Jews. And many people--myself included--have a dislike of 'Arabic' policies and do not harbour a dislike for Arabs. I think we have to keep that claer in our own heads, regardless of what's going through the heads of others. Shalom. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 29 Jan 06 - 09:02 PM Being critical of things a country does to the people in places ruled and occupied by that country is not "anti-British people" or "anti-American people" or "anti-Russian people" or "anti-Iranian people", or "anti-Ethiopian people". Or bigotted towards people with links and loyalties towards those countries who are living elsewhere. And that is demonstrated by the fact that some of the most cogent critics involved are natives of those countries. When apologists for the governments involved try to suggest that people involved in these kind of criticism must be racist bigots or traitors, that rightly gets dismissed as flannel. If the cap fits, wear it... I have never read a single word by Carol which could fairly and honestly be described as anti-semitic. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: number 6 Date: 29 Jan 06 - 09:04 PM Bobert .. Hey, how about the Christains who live in Isreal... Or those of Islamic Faith... The statement that Martin has made would be like some Southern Baptist sayin' the "United Sates and Southern Baptist is synonomous." Let's stick to the topic of the thread. Or open up a thread about the Christians of Israel, or the southern Baptists or even the Irish Catholics of Saint John. sIx |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: Bobert Date: 29 Jan 06 - 09:11 PM Okay, then the United States is the "soufull and spiritual home" of all Southern Baptists and they are wondering when you plan on leaving their home, Martin???... This is a lot of bull... And given the number of the exact same threads that Martin has started on the subject getting rather boring.... All it is meant to do is piss other folks off and has no basis in the facts of what people here in Mudville have posted... It's just another childish attempt by Martin to get attention... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: Once Famous Date: 29 Jan 06 - 09:13 PM Like I said, Peace, the Star of Davis is on the Israeli flag for a reason. It is first and foremost the Jewish homeland even before it is a sanctioned country. It's policies have been made to insure it's existance. If Israel goes, the Jewish people go with it. McGrath, you would not recognize anti-semitism if it was right in front of you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: Peace Date: 29 Jan 06 - 09:19 PM Martin, I do understand where you're coming from. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: GUEST Date: 29 Jan 06 - 09:21 PM Suppose Martin Gibson started a thread and nobody came????? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: Once Famous Date: 29 Jan 06 - 09:21 PM Thanks, Peace. To Jews everywhere, that Star of David flag is their 5700+ years of history. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: Once Famous Date: 29 Jan 06 - 09:23 PM But everyone did come, Guest. They all come to my threads. I really hit a nerve with you like I always do. You hate me for the truth I say about you. I can deal with that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: number 6 Date: 29 Jan 06 - 09:27 PM You are right mg .... they will come to your threads ... they come in droves. sIx |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: number 6 Date: 29 Jan 06 - 09:32 PM "This is a lot of bull..." It's not a lot of bull Bobert ... Israel and Judiasm is synonomous. As I said ... maybe it's ignorance. sIx |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: Bobert Date: 29 Jan 06 - 09:46 PM What is a lot of bull, sIx, is that when Martin gets bored he stares the exact same threads... Don't think so??? Click on Martin and check out his history... This is nuthin more than his way of getting attention for himself... No one here has ver posted anything that I would consider anti-Semitic yet he sees it everywhere... What amuses me is the same folk come up with the same posts and the same denials yet it's like "Ground Hog Day"... I mean, I've met some folk who were sho nuff anti-Semitic and I ain't seen none of it here in Mudcville, especially in CarolC... What, one can't question the policies of a government that own 200 nuclear weapons and has pushed folks outta their homes??? That's seems to the same old argument... "We can kill the crap outta Palestianians and bulldoze their homes and if you don't like it then you're anti-Semitic!!!" Well, I don't buy that argument anymore than I'd buy "We can bomb the crap outta Iraqis and occupy Iraq and if you don't like it yer anti-Christain!!!" That's the "bull" part of this thread... And it's "bull" every time Martin starts his Ground Hog anti-Semitic Day Thread... Bobert |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: Sorcha Date: 29 Jan 06 - 09:47 PM Give over...I don't know whether to laugh or cry....sheesh. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: Once Famous Date: 29 Jan 06 - 09:53 PM bobert's post is so ignorantly funny. It's not about me bobert. It's about rampant Mudcat anti-semitism. It's not even about Bush. You cannot be anti-Israel and not be anti-Jewish. The Star of David is our symbol on that Israeli flag. Perhaps enough anti-semitism here will make it one of top site hits for the topic. Sometimes I think because of certain posters here, it deserves to be. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: number 6 Date: 29 Jan 06 - 10:27 PM Never seen this thread before in the Mudcat. Anyway ... The Western Wall (wailing wall) in Jerusalem in Israel is the most central part to Jewish identity ... Jerusalem is the dominating holy place to Jews .... much like Mecca and the Kaba is to Muslims. Mecca and the Kabal is synonomous to Muslims. sIx |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: Once Famous Date: 29 Jan 06 - 10:30 PM And the Israeli government recognizes there is meaning there. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: Azizi Date: 29 Jan 06 - 10:35 PM What Peace said: "I have seen what I perceive to be varying degrees of racism here, as well as sexism (from both sexes) as well as chauvinism. But I have seen many good people post, too. Lots of good people." I agree with that statement. And I'd like to go further and say that I have seen and heard very much more anti-semitism comments [comments against Jewish persons and/or comments against persons of Middle Eastern descent}in the real world than I have read on Mudcat. As to racism, most of the time I chose to ignore what I consider to be racist remarks [on Mudcat and in the 'real world'. But Martin, far be it for me to suggest what response you should make to what you consider to be problematic. Different strokes for different folks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: Once Famous Date: 29 Jan 06 - 10:48 PM Pay attention, Azizi. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: Azizi Date: 29 Jan 06 - 10:49 PM Little Hawk said "I hate people who wear baseball caps backwards. I'm not sure if any of them are Jews or not. If so, though, I think it's a very small minority of them." Well alot of African American males wear baseball hats backwards- it's a style thing. And btw, there's a small population of Black Americans who are Jewish. Little Hawk, I'm wondering if you wrote that comment to defuse a potentially divisive discussion? If so, I don't think it worked. And btw #2: Sorry you're having a shitty day, Peace. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: Stilly River Sage Date: 29 Jan 06 - 11:14 PM Jews in Israel and elsewhere around the world would probably cringe in horror if they realized a loud-mouthed opinionated bigot like MG was speaking for them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: michaelr Date: 29 Jan 06 - 11:56 PM We have a right to be paranoid (Martin Gibson) Why don't you exercise your right to be a delusional creep elsewhere? Go away, Martin. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: Ebbie Date: 30 Jan 06 - 10:37 AM "But having seen and experienced anti-semitism in my life on more than a few occasions, and you never have, I absolutely know what I am talking about here." I agree with Sage- my guess is that most of the time what you perceive as anti-Semitism (Learn to capitalize it, dammit. Show some respect.) here and elsewhere it is only anti-loudmouthism, not to mention anti-loutism. "You cannot be anti-Israel and not be anti-Jewish. The Star of David is our symbol on that Israeli flag." I recognize and respect the veneration that most Jews feel toward the State of Israel. However, I do know at least one Jew who is very far from being a Zionist. What about him? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: Paul Burke Date: 30 Jan 06 - 10:46 AM You can be anti Israel and not be anti- Jewish. You're huffanpuffing again, Gobbo. I'll introduce you to quite a few anti- Israel Jews if you want. Oh, you reply, THEY aren't proper Jews.... "Israel is the homeland of all Jews, Israel and Judiasm is synonomous." Sadly, between about 650AD and the 1930s it was also the homeland of quite a few other people. That's the problem today. If Israel is solely about Jews it is a racist state. There is no separation between different racisms- if you support one kind of racism, you implicitly support them all. Jews who back a Jewish state are also retroactively backing an Aryan state. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: Greg F. Date: 30 Jan 06 - 10:48 AM Thus spake Farty Marty: pfft pfft bbbrrrrrrraaaaaaAAAAAAAAAPPP! NOTE: If you want this asshole to go away, don't respond to his bullshit in an obviously futile attempt to engage him in intelligent discussion. [or intelligent anything, for that matter]. Simple, really. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: number 6 Date: 30 Jan 06 - 10:58 AM Israel and Judaism is synonomous does not equal Zionism. just as Mecca and the Kabal is synonomous to Muslims. That statement does not refer specifically to Islamic fundamentalists. sIx |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: Gervase Date: 30 Jan 06 - 11:00 AM Jerusalem is also sacred to Muslim and Christians. But that's beside the point. I'm dead against the tactics of the government of Israel, and I think the actions of those Israelis opposed to the oppression of the Palestinians are heroic. Of course, in the eyes of someone like Gibson, that probably makes me anti-Semitic. Particulary because I support the actions of these people. But, hey, will I lose any sleep? And could I actually give a toss what Martin Gibson thinks? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: number 6 Date: 30 Jan 06 - 11:07 AM Here's something that will expain where I'm coming from.Off topic (slightly) from the focus of this thread ... but what the hell... Anyway, what is required for true peace to be obtained in this ongoing conflict is understanding from both sides ... when you look deeply into it ... Palestinians, and Israelis have a lot in common. one sides effort in undertanding sIx |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: Bill D Date: 30 Jan 06 - 11:12 AM Same old same old: "If you ain't for us, you're agin' us!" It seems that the 'paranoia' you cherish so much, Martin, has once more blinded you to the difference between criticism of policy and behavior and Judaism and Israel in general. It is the case that ALL parties in this conflict are showing various degrees of hateful stubborness and pig-headededness.........why? Because they are ALL partially right in their claims about 'homeland' and history. The area has deep historical cultural and religious significance to three different groups, and no one wants to share. It is undeniable what atrocities and persecution the Jews have suffered in various ways...and it is ALSO clear that the way they chose to redress those grievances caused harm and misery to Palestinians and others. No use me typing for 6 hours to 'prove' this...thousands of pages have been written explaining the viewpoints of ALL sides of this mess, and you, Martin, are simply exemplifying the old adage "It all depends on whose ox is being gored." You accentuate the claims of your groups, denigrate the claims of other groups, and label anyone who disagrees with you as "anti-Semitic", when maybe all they are is "anti-selfishness". Sure...there are plenty of anti-Semites in the world...but there are just as many anti-Muslims or anti-Christians who refuse to see anything but their own biased viewpoint. Face it....you ***CANNOT*** divide up that small area in the middle-East in a way that will please everyone, and now EVERYONE has too many guns and too much hate. They all refuse to share, so they go on fighting and calling bystanders who refuse to support them nasty names. sorry, but as a member of NONE of those groups, I see just a very sad, hopeless situation. Ever hear the Bob Beers song about peace, with the lines: "False are the bickering reigns Of Honor, of Homeland, of War"? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: Divis Sweeney Date: 30 Jan 06 - 11:19 AM It's a bit rich Martin you starting this thread, it's not people dislike Jews, it's people dislike you. Take your ball and go home son. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: number 6 Date: 30 Jan 06 - 11:19 AM Gervase ... you support one side ... I support humanity on both sides ... though I am more familiar with the Israeli side ... I do try to undertand the Palestinian side. sIx |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: Jerry Rasmussen Date: 30 Jan 06 - 11:24 AM Are jews who don't support some of Israel's policies anti-semitic? I don't support all of "America's" policies, but that does not make me anti-American. (although in your mind, Martin, it may.) (I do respect your love of the "homeland," even though I can't fully understand it, as my faith as a Christian isn't nearly as strongly identified with Jerusalem.) Jerry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: Grab Date: 30 Jan 06 - 11:33 AM The only thing wrong with your comments is that Israel and Judiasm is synonomous. Though I have never been there, I am a citizen of that country. As I said, it is my homeland, it's people and it's land are the same thing. So Martin, you're a citizen of the US, right? Think of the following actions of the US: - Jim Crow - Japanese-American internment - HUAC - Bay of Pigs - Vietnam - Bombing of Cambodia - Deposing the Shah of Iran and setting up Khomeini in charge - Reaganomics - Grenada - Supporting Saddam Hussein - Strategic Defense Initiative - Enron Can we therefore take it for granted as a citizen of the US: you are 100% in favour of all those having taken place; that no-one other than US citizens has a right to criticise them; and that criticising them is a personal attack on you, and indeed on all US citizens and the very existence of the US as a nation? Enquiring minds want to know... But you're right on one out of three, anti-Israel opinion is sky-high at the moment. Anti-white-police opinion was pretty high in Birmingham, Alabama too. I wonder why? Graham. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: Joe Offer Date: 30 Jan 06 - 11:52 AM Please make an attempt to keep this a civil discussion. Terms like "delusional creep" and "asshole" are not what most people would consider civil. I hate to keep closing threads, just because we have a number of people here who don't seem to be able to carry on an intelligent discussion. I would suggest that a general "Mudcat Anti-Semitism thread is inflammatory in itself. It would be far better to disagree with somebody's statement in the thread and in the context where the statement was made, rather than making an allegation of widespread Anti-Semitism. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: CarolC Date: 30 Jan 06 - 12:02 PM I would just like to point out, one more time (for those who think they know my postition on this issue), that I have NEVER suggested or even hinted that the people who live in what is now Israel should be forced to leave there, nor that I think that Israel should become anything other than the Jewish State. For the one-hundred-millionth time, what I am saying is END THE OCCUPATION OF THE WEST BANK AND EAST JERUSALEM (AND THE STRANGLE HOLD ON GAZA) That is all. One more time for those who didn't get it the last time END THE OCCUPATION That is all. Thank you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: Pied Piper Date: 30 Jan 06 - 12:15 PM There's only one race of people: the human race. Groups of people who think they are special because of some "unique inheritance" are racists. PP |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: GUEST,mick Date: 30 Jan 06 - 12:18 PM Martin , As an American ,don't you consider the USA to be your homeland? It's not fair for you to have two homelands when the Palestinians have none. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: GUEST,Art Thieme Date: 30 Jan 06 - 12:51 PM To be against certain intransigent policies of both the Israeli government and the suicide bombers of Hamas is not to be antisemitic or anti-Jewish. I agree with Amos here pretty much down the line---and with others here---and with you, Martin, when you understand your own fears may lead you to paranoia and possible miscalculations. As I have said here, my mother was Jewish and that makes me Jewish to many Israelis and Jews, and gives me entrance to Israel as well. As an evolved atheist, now, I still consider myself Jewish -- mainly because Hitler would've burned me to a crisp because of who my mother was. Often we become, at least, some of what others see us as. In that way, Hitler defines me as Jewish. (My dad loved Scotch too much, but I don't consider myself liquor-ish (licorice) although I saw the fact of that craving in myself---and dropped the booze summarily. We are complex---and I, for one, derived my positions after waiting and watching the world around me for many years before stating how I see things and feel about them in any thread here. Please, Martin, understand that these are nuanced positions for all of us. To advocate eventual peace -- with ALL the Palestinians' realities, and with Israeli realities as well, is what I, personally, hope can be achieved. This life is, as we've seen throughout everyone's history, a tragic adventure. Some few of us get to live in a time of more peace than not. To digress a bit: Those of us who lived through the boredom of the Eisenhower years in the 1950s here in America, never saw that peace as a blessing--although it was that. It was viewed by the youth then as in need of energising and empowering to make right social and political and economic inequalities--and it was, to us in the Beat generation, a reason to get "On The Road" and search. That led to the '60s... (And some of us sang folksongs to minmally finance our ways 'on the road.' (A joke from that peaceful era went: What do you do with an Eisenhower doll????" answer: "Wind it up---and it sits on it's ass for eight years!" ;-) It was peaceful though--thanks to the many thousands dead and wounded in WW2.) I know this post is a hodge podge of stuff---but it's all provoked by previous posts to this thread.) Art Thieme |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat Anti-semitism From: number 6 Date: 30 Jan 06 - 12:52 PM We know where you stand is Carol ... we know. Problem is if someone posted a thread about how much they enjoy eating halva you would post your views on the occupation issues. sIx |